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The narrative that the Capitol protest was a “deadly insurrection” is falling apart by 2.5
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Then why are blm and antifa not charged with the same crimes. Example: Kyle Rittenhouse. People died trying to kill an innocent person who was targeted for political and social differences. How many of the rioters and looters that night were charged that night for the deaths? Let's make this easier for you, how many convicted felons illegally in possession of a firearm and illegal threatening the life of a minor with said illegal firearm were charged for the illegal possession and deaths committed during a hate crime?



COULD BE

I do not like or support the law to be used that way

but it is so overly broad that it can be stretched to fit

the window chic was killed in commission of the crime of B&E TO SUPPORT A PUTSCH
THERE WERE PEOPLE BEHIND HER WHO WERE PART OF HER CRIME
should others not with her be charged ? that is something for a court of law to try

in the street riots over killer cops if you want to charge others for acts not related to your boy with the ar-15
can the cops be charged with starting the whole mess ?
where do they stop with an overly broad laws ?

in the capital case there were people right next to her aiding her actions
ie direct accomplice in legal speak but no charges for her death

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Let's discuss this then

 
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COULD BE

I do not like or support the law to be used that way

but it is so overly broad that it can be stretched to fit

In California they are taking aim at this very Law, right or wrong.
 
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the window chic

Is named Ashley
 
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was killed in commission of the crime of B&E TO SUPPORT A PUTSCH

First there is no evidence she was involved in such a crime that was punishable by death. She was no threat to anyone in her immediate area and she had no weapons.
 
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THERE WERE PEOPLE BEHIND HER WHO WERE PART OF HER CRIME
should others not with her be charged ? that is something for a court of law to try

Ashley did not commit a murder, so exactly how does the killing of an unarmed woman warrant the arrest and charges of a death for people who were trespassing, peacefully demonstrating and or protesting? More people were killed by blm and antifa than the Jan6 trespassing. More monetary damages were tallied up by blm and antifa at their riots. nancy pelosi caused 10s of millions of dollars more to the taxpayers than the Jan6 trespassers, with her fence and off limits policies.
Do you even know of any official criminal charges levied against her?
 
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in the street riots over killer cops if you want to charge others for acts not related to your boy with the ar-15
can the cops be charged with starting the whole mess ?
where do they stop with an overly broad laws ?

What "killer cops"? This is clearly a figment of your imagination. The rioters that night rioted because they are racist. Not because of a Police shooting. The events that led up the the race riot was the shooting of an armed, convicted rapist who assaulted his babies mama. She called the Police on him, so the Police showed up to investigate. He ran from the Police and they shot him for producing a weapon. The riots that night were the fault of blm antifa domestic terrorists, who rioted for gangland style street control and primal jollies and looting because they knew there wouldn't be any intervention from Law Enforcement.
 
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in the capital case there were people right next to her aiding her actions
ie direct accomplice in legal speak but no charges for her death


So, the people behind her were also trespassing, and they should be charged for such a crime. Her death and cover-up is a separate criminal accusation unrelated to her responsibility or accountability in the matter.

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SOMEBODY BROKE THE WINDOW SHE WAS CRAWLING THRU
was it her or an other ?
breaking and entering is a felony
so is entry if an other does the breaking double felony her and others
lots of people supporting her actions there then to be charged

why do you want some others charged but not the capital invaders ?
why is treason by some OK in your world
and property more valuable then honest government ?

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SOMEBODY BROKE THE WINDOW SHE WAS CRAWLING THRU
was it her or an other ?
breaking and entering is a felony
so is entry if an other does the breaking double felony her and others
lots of people supporting her actions there then to be charged

why do you want some others charged but not the capital invaders ?
why is treason by some OK in your world
and property more valuable then honest government ?



So breaking a window is a felony, does that meet the required response of shooting her?
If felony trespassing warrants the officer shooting the person then why are looters able to steal and burn and officers do nothing?

Where are you with your jack boot thug responses? You can't have it both ways.
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SOMEBODY BROKE THE WINDOW SHE WAS CRAWLING THRU
was it her or an other ?
breaking and entering is a felony

It doesn't matter if she was the one who broke the window, she shouldn't have been there under those circumstances, she was trespassing.
Not all States have the same laws, for example in California walking through an unlocked door without breaking anything can still be braking and entering.
 
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so is entry if an other does the breaking double felony her and others
lots of people supporting her actions there then to be charged

Lots of people are being charged and most will have the charges reduced or thrown out because of over zealous politicized accusations and charges that don't fit the actions.

 
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why do you want some others charged but not the capital invaders ?

And what exactly are the charges I want ignored and what charges should I demand?
 
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why is treason by some OK in your world
and property more valuable then honest government ?

First and foremost, you are accusing me of something I have not done and do not support. I do not support or encourage treason or trespassing. The trespassers should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. If there are more serious crimes, then I support the prosecution of those as well.
Both property AND honest Government are worth fighting for, that is why we have laws and elections.
What's the point? That it is ok for domestic terrorists like blm and antifa to burn loot and murder because they are angry? What if other hate groups like the kkk get upset? blm is just the same as the kkk, so how would you feel about them burning looting and murdering without Law Enforcement interference?
Of course hate groups like the kkk should not be allowed to brake the law any more or less than the hate groups blm and antifa.
Laws are laws, black or white, NOBODY should get away scot free, not even the rich or famous. You think you are the only one angry at hypocrisy in Law and society? Wake up, you are not unique or alone in frustration or anger over wrong doings including by bad cops. Bad cops make the entire system look bad, but throwing away the baby with the bath water is inviting even more corrupt systems and people to fill the void.
Saying all Police are corrupt is like saying all black people are criminals. Neither is true and we need to prosecute bad Police and criminals alike NO MATTER their color, status, job or wealth.

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why is treason by some OK in your world




Treason heh. Lots of politicians guilty of that. Hang 'em high.
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the window chic was killed in commission of the crime of B&E TO SUPPORT A PUTSCH





HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Please tell us exactly what US federal law covers "the crime of B&E TO SUPPORT A PUTSCH" ?

Can you give us a list of all the people who have been arrested and charged with "putsching"?

We know that you Leftists love to make up dumb sh!t as you go, but this one is hilarious, including your lame attempt to try to "nazify" the issue by using an inappropriate German language term.

It's childish and stupid, but you're not the first Leftie to try to play the Nazi card in this thread in some way.

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While we're at it this is a good time to remind you that:

As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH INSURRECTION ( 18 U.S. Code § 2383) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021

As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH SEDITION ( 18 U.S. Code § 2384) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021

As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH ADVOCATING OVERTHROW OF GOVERNMENT (18 U.S. Code § 2385) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021

As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH THREATENING GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS OF THE UNITED STATES (under 18 U.S.C. § 871 or 18 U.S. Code § 351 or 18 U.S. Code § 115 or any local statute) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021

As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH TERRORISM (18 U.S. Code CHAPTER 113B § 2331) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021

As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH RIOT (18 U.S. Code § 2101) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021

...and obviously:


As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH PUTCHING (das Recht Deutschlands oder Strafgesetzbuch) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021

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Where are you with your jack boot thug responses? You can't have it both ways.




But Leftists DO insist on having it both ways....and even more ways.

Rational, normal, people are always bewildered at how Leftists will simultaneously hold two or more completely contradictory and irreconcilable positions in their heads and they never question it or even seem to notice it.

That is one of the chief reasons that Leftism is rightfully considered a mental illness.

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HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Please tell us exactly what US federal law covers "the crime of B&E TO SUPPORT A PUTSCH" ?

Can you give us a list of all the people who have been arrested and charged with "putsching"?

We know that you Leftists love to make up dumb sh!t as you go, but this one is hilarious, including your lame attempt to try to "nazify" the issue by using an inappropriate German language term.

It's childish and stupid, but you're not the first Leftie to try to play the Nazi card in this thread in some way.

......


While we're at it this is a good time to remind you that:

As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH INSURRECTION ( 18 U.S. Code § 2383) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021

As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH SEDITION ( 18 U.S. Code § 2384) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021

As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH ADVOCATING OVERTHROW OF GOVERNMENT (18 U.S. Code § 2385) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021

As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH THREATENING GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS OF THE UNITED STATES (under 18 U.S.C. § 871 or 18 U.S. Code § 351 or 18 U.S. Code § 115 or any local statute) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021

As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH TERRORISM (18 U.S. Code CHAPTER 113B § 2331) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021

As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH RIOT (18 U.S. Code § 2101) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021

...and obviously:


As of today, NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH PUTCHING (das Recht Deutschlands oder Strafgesetzbuch) as a result of the MOSTLY PEACEFUL events of January 6, 2021



well a lot more should be charged but the prostituting att's do not want to do that
mostly for political reasons

the events were exactly a putsch an attempt to stop the government functions
they were NOT peaceful people died

you are nowhere as good or lucky at spinning BS as the rump is

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btw there are too many different people supporting various actions
or spinning them in other directions while complaining they didnot say or do something

true

but someone did it

and I responded to it

but perhaps not to you

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Is named Ashley

The "window chic" (~ ray b) is--or was, depending on how you prefer to nuance that--"Ashli"--Ashli Babbitt. "Babbitt", like the 1922 novel by Sinclair Lewis.

This forum topic has been having one of its banner days, in terms of "attendance."

I like it.
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well a lot more should be charged but the prostituting att's do not want to do that
mostly for political reasons




The DOJ isn't arresting and prosecuting people for those crimes BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAPPEN


The DOJ and it's prosecutors are light-years smarter than you are and they know that they can't prove a crime that didn't happen in a federal court of law so they aren't pursuing those.

If the Biden - Leftist administration thought for a moment that they could charge those people with those crimes they would have done so immediately.


You and your fellow ignorant LEFTISTS believe that those crimes happened because your Leftist propaganda LIED to you and told you that they did.


I mentioned earlier how you Leftists love to just make up dumb crap, and since we could all use a good chuckle, why don't you tell everyone exactly what "political reasons" you claim are preventing those DOJ prosecutors from charging people the way that you think they should....

....this should be hilarious too.


BY THE WAY:


 
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the events were exactly a putsch an attempt to stop the government functions



You clearly don't have a clue what the word "putsch" means.

Folks aren't laughing with you.....they're laughing at you.

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

The "window chic" (~ ray b) is--or was, depending on how you prefer to nuance that--"Ashli"--Ashli Babbitt. "Babbitt", like the 1922 novel by Sinclair Lewis.

This forum topic has been having one of its banner days, in terms of "attendance."

I like it.


I stand corrected, thank you
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btw there are too many different people supporting various actions
or spinning them in other directions while complaining they didnot say or do something

I am not sure I quite understand this comment or who it is addressed to, so I will answer it according to how I interpreted it to say.
I never changed my stance on this issue, as a matter of fact I see this issue very much the same as the covid19 issue. The covid19 virus is real AND the public, media and Government response to it is politically charged. The Jan6 trespassing is the same way, the trespassing did happen, it was real and I never supported it. And it is highly politicized, both issues are politically charged and that is wrong, I never supported their politicization. Just as the covid lock downs were wrong, pointless and ineffective so are the overblown charges levied on the trespassers.
I hope this clears things up for you.
 
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true

but someone did it

and I responded to it

but perhaps not to you



I do not know who this is directed at.

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prosecuting prostituting they both sell their souls

a good one can convict a ham sandwich

but the rightwing FALSE claim of no crime on 1-5-21
is as untrue as trumps claim of a ''win'' with less votes

perhaps in a effort to heal the nation
the charges are very very much less then a revolt/putsch deserve
but we see no such accommodation from the rightwing at all
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Mr. Ray B, I by my self have raised half dozen different questions, queries and points of contention and you have yet to do anything other than blame and complain. Oh, hang on.....isn’t that what you actually accused others of doing? Why yes, sir it is.


 
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prosecuting prostituting they both sell their souls

a good one can convict a ham sandwich

And rightfully so,... ham has contributed to a great number of ailments.
 
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but the rightwing FALSE claim of no crime on 1-5-21
is as untrue as trumps claim of a ''win'' with less votes

LOL, ok show your hand. Prove that "the right wing" claims no crime on said date.
Respectively voter fraud is real. Has it tainted the Trump, biden election? Yes it has. The real voter fraud was suppression of information and freedom of speech. This is undeniable given that the main stream media is a majority against Trump. And the social media sites also actively pursued a strategy of shadow banning or outright deplatforming conservatives.
 
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perhaps in a effort to heal the nation
the charges are very very much less then a revolt/putsch deserve

Perhaps you should wait for an actual legal judgment on the issue. You have made plenty of false claims your self that you can't back up and you refuse discuss.

 
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but we see no such accommodation from the rightwing at all

The only failure on this issue is with you. You make outrageous claims about people you do not even know and label them as one of a kind. But isn't that what you say people do towards black people?? Strange how that works
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prosecuting prostituting they both sell their souls

a good one can convict a ham sandwich



SEE THERE!

I knew you could give us all some more laughter.

You Leftists never fail to demonstrate your colossal dumbness while at the same time trying to convince everyone how "intellectual" you are. LOL

In your complete ignorance and garbled understanding of things well beyond your limited intellectual grasp of both the law and famous quotes you have conflated "convict" with indict as well as not having a single damn clue where it came from.


Leftists gotta Leftist....

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Solomon "Sol" Wachtler (born April 29, 1930) is an American lawyer and Republican politician from New York.

He was Chief Judge of the New York Court of Appeals from 1985 to 1992.

Wachtler's most famous quote, made shortly after his appointment as Chief Judge, was that district attorneys could get grand juries to "indict a ham sandwich"

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What went down at the U.S. Capitol Building on January 6, 2021, another "date that will live in infamy", is not as important as what was happening in the days leading up to January 6, from well before the day of the national elections on November 3, 2020, all the way to the first moments of the assault on the Capitol Building on January 6, until the feces (sad to say) were finally cleared and federal control of the Capitol Building was restored. And even some things that happened in the days after January 6, all the way to President Biden's "taking the oath" on January 20, and even beyond that, to this very day, and even beyond this very day, to what is continuing to happen in the current lead up to the 2022 midterm elections and the 2024 national elections.

This, I believe, is the actual focus of the U.S. House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol, or the "Jan. 6 Committee" as it is less formally described: What is the future of the electoral process in the United States? Will the popular vote within each state decide a state's state-wide elected officials and the slate of presidential electors that the state contributes to the Electoral College for selecting the U.S. President and Vice President? Or could a state's popular vote be swept aside and replaced by partisan and politically motivated declarations emerging from a state's state legislature, or a state's Secretary of State or other election administration officials, or swept aside and overturned by a state's delegation to the U.S. Congress?

The focus of the Jan. 6 Committee is to discover and document what happened and whether new elections-related laws should be formalized and "put on the table", and less about whether there were prosecutable crimes that can be referred to the U.S. Department of Justice for criminal prosecution.

Or that's what the proper focus of the Jan. 6 Committee should be, according to David Frum , former speechwriter for President George W. Bush and a senior political columnist for The Atlantic magazine.


What happened at the U.S. Capitol Building on January 6, 2021..? Well--that is what we're going to try to "Xplain"..!
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...The focus of the Jan. 6 Committee is to discover and document what happened and whether new elections-related laws should be formalized and "put on the table", and less about whether there were prosecutable crimes that can be referred to the U.S. Department of Justice for criminal prosecution. Or that's what the proper focus of the Jan. 6 Committee should be...


You can keep changing the subject hoping that something sticks, but it doesnt look good.

Yes it is typical that inept politicians and committees continue to try to enact new laws but do not uphold existing laws, or recognize with any amount of common sense what causes the issues they identify.
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they can convict a ham sandwich is my statement
yes an other said indite

I do not think our system is just
every jury should be told they can nullify if they feel the law is not working in the best interest of the community

and yes the laws are aimed at suppression of the under class
with way too few cops and other officials ever tried let alone convicted
and even when convicted get way to short or no real sentence

the truly rich get a free pass far too often

btw rump lost get over it

the revolt on 1-6-21 was treason not trespass

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Treason is helping a foreign enemy against the USA.

You are talking about Sedition actually.

Funny how you don't mention the other "mostly peaceful" protests last year. I wonder why.


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they can convict a ham sandwich is my statement



There should be a T shirt:

Where has the neighborhood gone?
These days folks can convict a ham sandwich, and marry a dog.
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I do not think our system is just

Examples please
 
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every jury should be told they can nullify if they feel the law is not working in the best interest of the community

I am not a lawyer, so you will need to explain this.
For example, if I understand your comments correctly: you think a jury has the power and authority to just throw out a case for a drug dealer because it targets the underclass and drugs aren't harmful to the community?
 
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and yes the laws are aimed at suppression of the under class
with way too few cops and other officials ever tried let alone convicted
and even when convicted get way to short or no real sentence

This is not true. Just propaganda. Police are held to a higher standard than the average person, this is a fact. The use of force policy is not the individual Officers own made up rules. The Officers follow policies or get fired. You may not like the laws they enforce or the use of force policies they perform within, and that is understandable. But your blame is placed in the wrong place.
 
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the truly rich get a free pass far too often

This is a complaint that is older than America, it isn't an American issue, it a human nature issue. People practically worship celebrities and money. So the rich by the best, not complicated.
 
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btw rump lost get over it

LOL, ok so this means in 2022 you will just get over it right......sure
 
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the revolt on 1-6-21 was treason not trespass


When the courts reduce, throw out and fail to convict ANYONE for "revolting" and "treason", you will just get over it......right? LOLOLOLOL

You seriously need to get educated and stop listening to the circus of hate. America will never grow or over come our faults or shortcomings with lies and hate spewed as if some how it I truth. People don't respond well those type of "conversations".
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Originally posted by Hudini:

Treason is helping a foreign enemy against the USA.

You are talking about Sedition actually.

Funny how you don't mention the other "mostly peaceful" protests last year. I wonder why.



maybe because I mostly support the street protests
60's civil rights voting and schools we won that
and eventually stopped the war so everyone came home
and as a black friend said
the riots only happen when someone is killed by the cops
if the cops stop killing there will be no riots
now people in HK do not like the new rules
others are afraid of the vax
people find things too be upset about

and yes stopping the government is treason no other power needed
but throw in hang mike pence and it is an over the top slam dunk
esp when they had a noose
plus the other officials on their little lists

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When the courts reduce, throw out and fail to convict ANYONE for "revolting" and "treason", you will just get over it......right? LOLOLOLOL
I am not a lawyer, so you will need to explain this.
For example, if I understand your comments correctly: you think a jury has the power and authority to just throw out a case for a drug dealer because it targets the underclass and drugs aren't harmful to the community?


You seriously need to get educated and stop listening to the circus of hate. America will never grow or over come our faults or shortcomings with lies and hate spewed as if some how it I truth. People don't respond well those type of "conversations".


that is WHY the jury is there
the jury is the people approving the action of the government

yes if a pot dealer is targeted by a prostituting state att and the locals say NO way
that is why we have jurys no other reason really to inconvenience the people

WHY DO YOU THINK A JURY EXISTS ?

btw an example of legal BS the idea of QUALIFIED IMMUNITY for cops or any other official EVER
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rayb, as an aside....you do know that it is spelled "weird", right?

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Originally posted by ray b:


every jury should be told they can nullify if they feel the law is not working in the best interest of the community





That is called ANARCHY

We do not arbitrarily change our laws based on feelings of the moment.

Only the ignorant and childlike mind of a Leftist would believe that is desirable.

A jury's duty is to return a verdict based solely on the law and the facts of the case.

"Jury nullification" is NOT a legally sanctioned function of a jury and it is illegal for any judge or other officer of the court to suggest or present the concept of nullification to a jury.

You supporting LAWLESSNESS and outright stupidity isn't surprising.

Leftists gotta Leftist.....


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WHY DO YOU THINK A JURY EXISTS ?



You are clearly asking us that question because it's painfully obvious that you have no clue yourself.

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That is called ANARCHY

We do not arbitrarily change our laws based on feelings of the moment.

Only the ignorant and childlike mind of a Leftist would believe that is desirable.

A jury's duty is to return a verdict based solely on the law and the facts of the case[/i][/b].

"Jury nullification" is NOT a legally sanctioned function of a jury and it is illegal for any judge or other officer of the court to suggest or present the concept of nullification to a jury.

You supporting LAWLESSNESS and outright stupidity isn't surprising.

Leftists gotta Leftist.....


You are clearly asking us that question because it's painfully obvious that you have no clue yourself.



make up your mind on what you want to call me

an ANARCHY is not socialist it is real total freedom from everything and it is scary to some

I do tend to like it but fear it is a myth or smoke in the wind
only exits briefly random unrepeatable magic and poof gone

but in degree the more ANARCHY the more freedom just before the whole thing crashes


jury is a FUSE IN THE LAW
something you can't understand mr jones
nullification is very important to freedom
limited government is a lot of work limiting the powers

those who blindly follow the ''law'' fail to understand freedom
and perhaps do not deserve it
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You are clearly asking us that question because it's painfully obvious that you have no clue yourself.



no but I fear the putin/trump law is THE LAW system you support

yes I understand why we need jurys
hint courts follow law people need justice

the reason for jury trial is not to follow laws
never was and is a perversion of a check on the system to say it should

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the reason for jury trial is not to follow laws

never was and is a perversion of a check on the system to say it should




Really? Is that so?

So in addition to you being a big fan of anarchy and lawlessness you also have absolutely no knowledge of the United States Constitution, and in specific Article III, Section 2 and the 6th Amendment.

It's now abundantly apparent that we've arrived at the point where you have amply demonstrated that you have neither the basic intellectual capacity or the cognitive ability to engage in a coherent and productive discussion with normal, rational, people.

You may resume your babbling, weird "haiku".

Leftists gotta Leftist

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Really? Is that so?

So in addition to you being a big fan of anarchy and lawlessness you also have absolutely no knowledge of the United States Constitution, and in specific Article III, Section 2 and the 6th Amendment.

It's now abundantly apparent that we've arrived at the point where you have amply demonstrated that you have neither the basic intellectual capacity or the cognitive ability to engage in a coherent and productive discussion with normal, rational, people.

You may resume your babbling, weird "haiku".

Leftists gotta Leftist



funny coming from a rumper
you are saying the law is supreme over the will of the people

and a jury is NOT a protection against bad laws and evil officials
as they must always follow bad laws and evil officials

sounds like something putin would like to control people
once he got his rubber stamp duma to pass his laws
they MUST BE FOLLOWED

but thankfully NOT how our system works
AND THE FACT THAT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND IS REVEALING
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Wow......
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Wow......


why do you think we bother with jurys ?

the judge and att know the LAW
the jury is not trained in the LAW

why is the defense allowed to opt out of a jury
BUT NOT THE STATE in most cases

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There are no words that come to mind as to a response......
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There are no words that come to mind as to a response......


o come on

why is the defendant allowed to say NO JURY
but the state is mostly not
what is the reason for that ?

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btw randy

here is a bit of real anarchy from my favorite site sailing anarchy

VERY NOT WORK SAFE THEY SWEAR LIKE THE SAILORS THEY ARE

AND POST NAKED PIC NONE IN THE LINK THO

https://forums.sailinganarc...-be-on-to-something/

IT IS ABOUT Gop ELECTION CHEATING and how deathsanto's blew it

thought you may want to see non echo chamber real opinions
and how sailing anarchy treats the rightwing lies
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o come on

why is the defendant allowed to say NO JURY
but the state is mostly not
what is the reason for that ?



It is your right to be judged by a jury of your peers. You can turn it down and go before a judge. But the state can not take that right away from you.

I typed this slow and used large Comic font as I know you sometimes have trouble.
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It is your right to be judged by a jury of your peers. You can turn it down and go before a judge. But the state can not take that right away from you.

I typed this slow and used large Comic font as I know you sometimes have trouble.


and skipped right over the WHY the jury exists
you know the porpoise of the jury what they are there for
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. . . the conservative abhors all forms of ideology. An abstract rigorous set of political dogmata: that is ideology, a "political religion," promising the Terrestrial Paradise to the faithful; and ordinarily, that paradise is to be taken by storm. Such a priori designs for perfecting human nature and society are anathema to the conservative, who knows them for the tools and the weapons of coffeehouse fanatics.
Are there any "coffeehouse fanatics" on display here, in the conversation that is this forum topic or thread..? Hold that thought.

 
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For the conservative, custom, convention, constitution, and prescription are the sources of a tolerable civil social order. Men not being angels, a terrestrial paradise cannot be contrived by metaphysical enthusiasts; yet an earthly hell can be arranged readily enough by ideologues of one stamp or another. Precisely that has come to pass in a great part of the world, during the twentieth century.
Those are the words of Russell Kirk, in his "Foreword to the Seventh Revised Edition of The Conservative Mind: From Burke to Eliot." Words that were copyrighted in 1953.

I went and found this online, to follow up on something that was aired much earlier today on MSNBC's Morning Joe. Prior to that moment, I wouldn't have known Russell Kirk "from Adam."

Lights, camera, action . . .
https://youtu.be/9478WcY91eM?t=61

I wouldn't call the forum member who goes by the screen name of ray b a "coffeehouse fanatic", in the way that Russell Kirk wanted that to be taken. No. That would be someone else. Some other forum member who could well be described as a "coffeehouse fanatic" of the kind that Russell Kirk had in mind, when he wrote that paragraph.

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Are there any "coffeehouse fanatics" on display here, in the conversation that is this forum topic or thread..? Hold that thought.


Like this one?



or this one?



 
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Lights, camera, action . . .

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