You can safely assume you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do...
I think the secret lies within that. If a person kept his beliefs to himself, lived by it and never spoke of it to another, where could be the harm? It's when they tell others that they should live that way is when the trouble begins.
Why must it be professed? Why is it necessary to convince others? Is it recruitment?
See, I think that's the rub with religion. They all seem to want converts and strive for growth. Why? Is it merely a construct to group, to build mass. But why? For strength? Power? Because if so, I would say be very aware of anything concentrated on the accumulation of power over others.
If the reason is that you say it is for good, that it is the right way to live, you can really only say it is right for you. Shouldn't that be enough? Why does religion require missionaries?
And for the record, I belong to no particular grouping (while continually considering all). My head is Science, my heart is everything else...which is to say my head believes what it must, while my heart believes what it wants.
Next time I'm in Seattle I would love to share a cup of coffee or whatever with you. I share many of your views although I'm not as articulate as you. Thank you for such a thoughtful post.
I haven't seen the movie, but the CBS interview with Aronofsky is interesting, as he says the opposite (basically).... A link to the interview is in this topic.... maybe a few pages back.
So.. there you go... yet different review (one with less "anti-liberal" slant).
I say people should see it for themselves and make their decision.
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Not too sure about that. Its one thing to add stuff, embelish a bit, but another to change things fundamentally. Which is probably the point. Maybe Hollywood is moving from only making fun of things, making light of things, to being intentionally misleading.
"2013 and 2014 will see a large number of Christian-themed movies hit the big screen and one of the most anticipated of them is Noah, directed by Darren Aronofsky and starring Oscar-winner Russell Crowe. While there will be much hype and excitement for this movie, the early reports indicate that the Noah film will not be in line with the Biblical account of Noah’s ark and the flood, but instead will push a liberal, political message focused on the environmental agenda. Noah as The “First Environmentalist”?
In the biblical account, God is a God who is not inscrutably silent but who reveals himself by word and covenant to man. In the biblical account, God is a holy judge who punishes wickedness yet saves those who trust in Him and blesses generations that follow afterwards. By all indications, this is not the picture which Noah the motion picture presents.
Rather than follow the Biblical account, Aronofsky is taking the story in his own direction to suit his own environmentalist agenda. There are many glaring differences between the Biblical narrative and Aronfosky’s version.In the movie, God is portrayed as an angry Creator who wants to punish humanity permanently for not taking good enough care of plants and animals. Humans have compassion, while God in the film only has irrational wrath. This type of gnostic interpretation of Scripture that turns the Biblical account upside down to cast the God of the Bible in a bad light, has been done in many Hollywood films (we featured an article on the movie Legion that used this same tactic with a plot centered on the book of Revelation). This film reflects a lack of faith and promotes the idea of doubting God, rather than believing."
Next time I'm in Seattle I would love to share a cup of coffee or whatever with you. I share many of your views although I'm not as articulate as you. Thank you for such a thoughtful post.
Hey, get Boonie to invite me as well, and I'll take a run down the I-5 from Vancouver... and even spring for the coffee!
Seriously? We have 7 pages here talking about bashing people's faith, why it is necessary, and what it will take to end it. You get a neg from me.
WTF is wrong with you, other than you are no better than those extremist Muslim terrorists, you have gotten so bent out of shape over a dam Movie, no movie has ever followed the book.
WTF is wrong with you, other than you are no better than those extremist Muslim terrorists, you have gotten so bent out of shape over a dam Movie, no movie has ever followed the book.
Let it FKN go for crying out load.
It's a FKN movie, not reality, not real life
Steve
Something I said over the top? Should I just ignore the questions and comments that are directed toward me? Do you have a problem with this conversation? Do you know that you are not required to read this thread?
Besides, as usual, you don't know what you're talking about. Just because the title of the thread is about a movie does not mean that there is 8 pages of discussion about the movie. Nor does it mean that I have spent 8 pages bashing this movie. If you want to take part, at least do some reading before you go psycho-post on somebody.
Something I said over the top? Should I just ignore the questions and comments that are directed toward me? Do you have a problem with this conversation? Do you know that you are not required to read this thread?
Besides, as usual, you don't know what you're talking about. Just because the title of the thread is about a movie does not mean that there is 8 pages of discussion about the movie. Nor does it mean that I have spent 8 pages bashing this movie. If you want to take part, at least do some reading before you go psycho-post on somebody.
No but you have spent 8 pages berating anyone who doesn't think that the bible is the end all do all to and only true book of god, it was written by men who wanted to control others to get what they wanted, get over yourself and your god.
its a FKN movie
edit to add anyone who has also neged me is no better than terrorists because if I don't think you bible is the only true thing in the world you are all no better than those Muslim terrorists who are so extreme in their beliefs that no one else's are right or could possibly be right. get over yourselves, not everyone believes in your god, not everyone believes in god
Steve
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Next time I'm in Seattle I would love to share a cup of coffee or whatever with you. I share many of your views although I'm not as articulate as you. Thank you for such a thoughtful post.
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Hey, get Boonie to invite me as well, and I'll take a run down the I-5 from Vancouver... and even spring for the coffee!
Us 3 in Seattle.....fuggedaboutit!
Listen, i'm far less interesting in person. And remember, you'll have the added burden of having to look at me. That pretty-much cancels out any fun that might have been had! Yeah, that's me in the middle!
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No but you have spent 8 pages berating anyone who doesn't think that the bible is the end all do all to and only true book of god, it was written by men who wanted to control others to get what they wanted, get over yourself and your god.
its a FKN movie
edit to add anyone who has also neged me is no better than terrorists because if I don't think you bible is the only true thing in the world you are all no better than those Muslim terrorists who are so extreme in their beliefs that no one else's are right or could possibly be right. get over yourselves, not everyone believes in your god, not everyone believes in god
Steve
Steve, all I can tell you is you might want to actually read the thread sometimes. The things you're crying about not only didn't happen in this thread, they didn't happen in ANY thread. I certainly have not and will not ask you to believe in "my" God. Does that help you at all? Furthermore, I have not negged ANYONE for not believing what I believe. What I do give my negs for is people being a butthole about ANYBODYS religion. If you don't like the religion, that's fine. Want to berate those who have faith in those religions? That is not fine and that is what I've been talking about for 8 pages. So I'll ask you my basic question here, WHAT GOOD HAS COME FROM YOUR RELIGION BASHING? WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO BRING IT TO AN END? Why do you feel a need to insult others? Will you be a part of the solution or part of the problem?
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Listen, i'm far less interesting in person. And remember, you'll have the added burden of having to look at me. That pretty-much cancels out any fun that might have been had! Yeah, that's me in the middle!
Even better, it's a fictional movie loosely based on a fictional book that has all sorts of stories in it that range from the improbable to the impossible, from the serious to the ridiculous, from the inspirational to the appalling, from the moralistic to the unethical (for modern standards, at least).
Steve, all I can tell you is you might want to actually read the thread sometimes. The things you're crying about not only didn't happen in this thread, they didn't happen in ANY thread. I certainly have not and will not ask you to believe in "my" God. Does that help you at all? Furthermore, I have not negged ANYONE for not believing what I believe. What I do give my negs for is people being a butthole about ANYBODYS religion. If you don't like the religion, that's fine. Want to berate those who have faith in those religions? That is not fine and that is what I've been talking about for 8 pages. So I'll ask you my basic question here, WHAT GOOD HAS COME FROM YOUR RELIGION BASHING? WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO BRING IT TO AN END? Why do you feel a need to insult others? Will you be a part of the solution or part of the problem?
I didn't berate your religion,
but what you just said earned a neg of your own for that.
Hollywood uses a simple concept. They can take any story true, or not, and make their own story with it. They can use anyone they wish and alter the story any way they want to make that movie. Did Monty Python follow true stories in the Holy Grail or Life of Brian (supposedly Jesus)? I never heard anyone complain they were not truthful and those movies were inaccurate.
Originally posted by rogergarrison: Did Monty Python follow true stories in the Holy Grail or Life of Brian (supposedly Jesus)? I never heard anyone complain they were not truthful and those movies were inaccurate.
Even better, it's a fictional movie loosely based on a fictional book that has all sorts of stories in it that range from the improbable to the impossible, from the serious to the ridiculous, from the inspirational to the appalling, from the moralistic to the unethical (for modern standards, at least).
To the thread troll?
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No but you have spent 8 pages berating anyone who doesn't think that the bible is the end all do all to and only true book of god, it was written by men who wanted to control others to get what they wanted, get over yourself and your god.
its a FKN movie
edit to add anyone who has also neged me is no better than terrorists because if I don't think you bible is the only true thing in the world you are all no better than those Muslim terrorists who are so extreme in their beliefs that no one else's are right or could possibly be right. get over yourselves, not everyone believes in your god, not everyone believes in god
Well, lets just say I disagree.
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but what you just said earned a neg of your own for that.
I couldn't help notice that you didn't answer the 4 questions.
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Did Monty Python follow true stories in the Holy Grail or Life of Brian (supposedly Jesus)? I never heard anyone complain they were not truthful and those movies were inaccurate.
Why would someone complain about a comedy? I appreciate humor. I have Holy Grail on VHS and still watch it from time to time. In fact, a buddy of mine and I were texting one-liners from that movie TODAY!
I haven't heard anyone complain that this movie was inaccurate and untrue. It has been stated but nobody is trying to close this movie. It won't hurt my feelings at all if you all go see it. If you do, I hope you enjoy it. Who wants to spend money on entertainment and not be entertained? I sure don't. That was my experience. Should I not have said that?
What this says to me is that even the most primitive tribes in the most remote location still understood the concept of "gods". Do we know of any culture that existed with a pure absense of deities? How did they all "create" the same explanation for things if they developed independantly of each other? If all you know is rocks, animals, plants, and water, what are you likely to encounter that causes you to think of "gods" which have never been seen?
I believe it all links back to Noah and his family knowing of the flood and of God's work and they told and re-told the story to the generations. As people were spread further apart, even if the names were forgotten and the people were driven into caves, the story of the flood and/or the "god" that the early people knew were too fantastic to be forgotten.
How do they all "create" the same concept of gods? If all you knew was rocks, plants, and animals, wouldn't you worship someone who came down to earth on a "flaming chariot"? The ancient astronaut theory is how I explain it. A race of aliens came down to earth to lead humanity in a direction that saw fit. Why would they only visit only one group of humans on Earth? Wouldn't it make more sense to try to advance the human race by visiting as many different groups of humans as possible? And assuming that a race of advanced aliens did visit Earth during the human race's primitive years who's to say they didn't put the idea of gods into their mind? It would explain how so many different cultures have come into the same notion of gods.
How do they all "create" the same concept of gods? If all you knew was rocks, plants, and animals, wouldn't you worship someone who came down to earth on a "flaming chariot"? The ancient astronaut theory is how I explain it. A race of aliens came down to earth to lead humanity in a direction that saw fit. Why would they only visit only one group of humans on Earth? Wouldn't it make more sense to try to advance the human race by visiting as many different groups of humans as possible? And assuming that a race of advanced aliens did visit Earth during the human race's primitive years who's to say they didn't put the idea of gods into their mind? It would explain how so many different cultures have come into the same notion of gods.
My argument is that they DID SEE SOMETHING. I completely disagree that "gods" were created by sheer imagination in EVERY CULTURE IN HISTORY that I know of. Just not plausible they would all imagine the same thing out of NOTHING and without having prior knowledge of the concept of "gods". Believing that takes more faith than most can claim.
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How do they all "create" the same concept of gods? If all you knew was rocks, plants, and animals, wouldn't you worship someone who came down to earth on a "flaming chariot"? The ancient astronaut theory is how I explain it. A race of aliens came down to earth to lead humanity in a direction that saw fit. Why would they only visit only one group of humans on Earth? Wouldn't it make more sense to try to advance the human race by visiting as many different groups of humans as possible? And assuming that a race of advanced aliens did visit Earth during the human race's primitive years who's to say they didn't put the idea of gods into their mind? It would explain how so many different cultures have come into the same notion of gods.
What tips your thinking this direction instead of God / angels / fallen angels as in the Bible? Is it abduction stories and ufo sightings for example? I mean this as a sincere question.
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Isn't there supposed to be two for breeding purposes though?
