quote Originally posted by Joe Torma: Geez...what's the record for # of thread pages anyway?

Here at PFF, I only know and believe it still was the FieroLisa thread at 30 pages before it imploded upon itself and reset itself back to 10 pages, which could in a way validate if not support btoth's hypothesis!

And now page 8!

Anybody want to buy a Harry Potter lunchbox? Magically changes that bologna sandwich, chips and apple into a Thanksgiving feast! Only $299.95!

No seriously, they sell this stuff at Wal-mart (except for the changing it into a feast part). Along with toothbrushes, toothpaste, sheets, pillows, video games, board games, etc. AHHH! It's driving me insane!!! Why the hell is it so popular now!??

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sqoach@yahoo.com

^^^^^new project^^^^^

86 SC 2.5L 5spd

bologna chips and an apple IS a feast!

if you eat them out of a HP lunch box :c()

it is magic - $$$ for walmart anyway!

I don't subscribe to this theory, but there are a small number of people who believe that the whole "alien" thing (everything ever having to do with "aliens", "alien abductions", etc.) is a ploy by Satan to give himself a way to "appear" to people (exactly as the "mother race" described here) and be able to dismiss God and take many followers.

Again, I don't subscribe to this, but I don't believe in aliens either.

There are biblical references that in the time of Noah, fallen angels bred with human women, and created a halfbreed race of super-humans

and that it got to the point that Noahs family was the only one left whos gene pool wasnt corrupted

and that is the real reason why God caused the flood - to wipe out the mutant race.

and now again we have beings attacking people at night - who some people see and who some cant see - who defy the laws of physics and who seem to be interested in interbreeding with humans.

Jesus said when the end of the world is about to come it will be as it was in the days of Noah - maybe this is what He was referring to.

quote Originally posted by Ken Wittlief: There are biblical references that in the time of Noah, fallen angels bred with human women, and created a halfbreed race of super-humans and that it got to the point that Noahs family was the only one left whos gene pool wasnt corrupted and that is the real reason why God caused the flood - to wipe out the mutant race. and now again we have beings attacking people at night - who some people see and who some cant see - who defy the laws of physics and who seem to be interested in interbreeding with humans. Jesus said when the end of the world is about to come it will be as it was in the days of Noah - maybe this is what He was referring to.

Doesn't the Bible (KJV anyway) actually refer to the interbreeding of the sons of God and the daughters of man? Fallen angels would be one interpretation but I'm not sure the wording neccessarily implies they were fallen.

I do agree the main point of the flood seems to be to cleanse the world of those with impure heredity, although the reason this was neccessary is a bit unclear. I don't think Noah and family were the only survivors. They are either just symbolic or were just the only survivors whose 'begat' line was important...

It seems to imply that not only was man created in God's image, but we are also genetically compatible. Now... what if God refers to a group AND an individual at the same time? This gives some support to the theory that we were seeded here by a much older species.

Well, looks like its time for somebody to put a "fanatical" spin on this thread. So I will. HEY! Its a tough job, but you know, somebody has to do it.

Part I:
As you already know, I don't believe in a Heaven or Hell, let alone a God. I believe in est we are our own Gods and the Bible is nothing more then a guide to reach that level.

But for a moment, I'll just say there is a God, "Me forbid" of course.

Lets start with the creation of the Heavens and Earth, light and dark, yada, yada, yada...you've heard the fairy tail yourself.

We all understand the story as the world was created in 7 days, give or take a few million or billion years as this was apparently only to put things in perspective as somehow our tiny little brains wouldn't have been able to phantom the concept of this amount of time. Makes you wonder why.

Not to say, a slow unefficient worker if you asked me. But of course God was allowed to be slow as apparently he started this business and had no partners or anyone else for that matter at the time to guage his progress and efficiencies.

Okay, so like this God dude, who comes out of nowhere just decides he's board one day and says "Man here's a void that I feel needs something in it. I know, I'll create the Heavens and Earth as I'm sure there are no patents, along with water, air, light, dark and celestial stars.".

Well, aside from being, well...the only being at this time, this would now have to support the possibility of an Intelligent Alien race as he is apparently not from this world. So in est, we have been visited from a visitor from someplace else.

But, through some hocus pocus...BAM! The world as we know it today now has been created.

Umm, WOAH!! I need some pot after that

Oh wait I dont smoke.Maybe its time to start hehe Some VERY interesting things being said in this thread. VERY!!!!

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"All Fieros broke right now" :(

Maybe if there is a god, this creation thing is like a game. You know, an ever expanding universe that he creates plantes and things, chooses where life exists and stuff. Like instead of SimCity...SimCreation?!
And the game is over when the universe collapses and then he/she/it can start over!

Hey...who created the creator?

JSocha - I think your book would be better than mine.

If a species (God) figured out how to time travel it could go back and create itself. Then it's existance would be circular, and therefore eternal, and there you go...

DRH: that would make a very interesting book...

just an aside, I do believe that many of the ancient gods were in fact extraterrestrials.. and their technology was regarded as magic and miracles. every thing that was said to be performed as a physical miracle, we are capable of understanding with our knowledge of science. imagine what we'll be able to do in 50 years... an alien species that has had a few hundred years of advanced technology would be so far ahead of us, it'd probably appear to be magic, even to us... I totally could understand why they'd be considered gods.

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quote Originally posted by DaRkLoRD: an alien species that has had a few hundred years of advanced technology would be so far ahead of us, it'd probably appear to be magic, even to us...

What about a few billion. Lastest scientific theories put the universe into the low teens of billions of years old. The earth is around 4 billion. Someone else could easily have been around many billions of years before us.

JSocha
missed the first BIG ERRORS
earth and " the heavens "
were not maded at same time,
only off by 9,000,000,000 years or so.

and earth in bible is prelight
dark and formless but made before
the "let there be light" is said
and we now know that much of the earth
had to be made in a star that went super-novi
to make iron and heavier elements.

earth made on DAY #1 , SUN made on DAY#4????
even long days BS can get around WRONG order of creation as SUN was before earth and both after light.

PART 2
mom mary was called a WORD meaning young woman misstranlated as virgin
WIFE MARY of magdalene and fate of HIS KIDS
as kings of France, the church tryes to hide
to this day but desendents still live in france!!!!! was on TLC last night on tv!!!!

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Question wonder and be wierd

The "fallen" race were called Nephalim.

They had to be the spawn of fallen angels, because angels were only given free will for one decision, essentially, and any "non-fallen" angels messing around with people would have fallen, since extra-marital sex is a sin.

The Bible is very clear that Noah's family was pure, and are the only ones to have survived the flood, and that, only by His hand.

That isn't to say it's not possible that Nephalim once again roam the earth...there are enough "Goliath"s around (Andre the giant would have been a prime candidate) that it's clearly a possibility. I personally believe God put an end to that long before the Flood, and used that in part to complete the destruction of their lineage.

I really don't want to get into JSocha's posts, since they were purely for fun, but realise this; to call the Bible a liar is and can be VERY offensive to the majority of people here. (just saying...)

That said, pre-marital sex wasn't just "frowned upon", other than all-out rape, it basically didn't exist in the Jewish community in Joseph's time.
People didn't just sneak around and "get away" with things back then, they had a LOT more respect and responsibility than we do now...it was a completely different culture.

To assume that they were "heavy petting" and the Bible called it "supernatural conception" is ludicrous. (sp?) You're calling the Bible a liar. I know you were trying to be cute, but I'd suggest being more funny, and leaving real subjects alone more when doing this.

Mmkay?

And of course we all know this from a book. Calm down for goodness sakes man. Sheesh.

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"All Fieros broke right now" :(

I haven't read much of JSocha's stuff yet, but my attention was somehow caught by the question of "why Mary... why not some other virgin".

Mary was chosen because of her lineage from David. This was prophesied in the Old Testament, that the Messiah would be one of David's descendants. Christ is not of Joseph's lineage because Joseph was not His father (contrary to some others' opinions here).

quote Originally posted by Loki: And of course we all know this from a book. Calm down for goodness sakes man. Sheesh.

Man, there is SOOOO much more to it than "some book"...

It will never make sense to anyone who hasn't personally experienced the power of the Holy Spirit, or the power of a daily relationship with the Living God...

I know I shouldn't be suprised...your eyes have been closed...but it's still very frustrating...

quote Originally posted by TRiAD: Um, let me digress... [b]HOLY CRAP!!!! "IT WAS ON TLC ON TV?!" WHAT ARE YOU, RETARDED?! "THE CHURCH TRIES TO HIDE HIS KIDS"?! ONLY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH STILL CONTENDS MARY'S VIRGINITY, THE PRODESTANT CHURCHES WOULD PROBABLY HAVE THESE GUYS AS THEIR LEADERS, IF THEY EXISTED!! J E S U S - W A S - N E V E R - M A R R I E D ! - J E S U S - N E V E R - H A D - S E X !! - J E S U S - N E V E R - H A D - K I D S !!!!!!! MAN, YOU ARE THE SINGLE MOST IGNORANT ASS I HAVE EVER HAD THE DISPLEASURE OF MEETING! Good day. [/B]

SO YOU WERE THERE AND SAW THAT HE NEVER HAD SEX?????? all the time????
BOOK holy grail holy blood is source of this story about church and children of JC
insults typical of christian's responce to facts they don't like !!!!!
SADLY SO IS KILLING HERITIC'S

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Question wonder and be wierd

quote Originally posted by ray b: SO WHY THE LIST OF BEGATS DAVID TO JOSEPH to JC and NO LISTING OF MARYS ancesters in Bible?

My mistake... the Bible describes BOTH of them as being from the house of David. See Matthew chapter 1 again, and the book of Ruth in the Old Testament. But it was traditional for the Hebrews to only record the father's lineage, yet in this case it was important to tell the mother's.

[This message has been edited by Cheever3000 (edited 11-28-2001).]

DRH: I was being conservative.

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I know its more than "some book" sheesh. No I dont goto church, and no I dont read the bible. And no my eyes are not closed. I belive there is "something" to it all. But im an open minded peron. I dont disbelive in GOD. BUT!! Whats to say that said "some book" was just writin as a fiction book would be writin in our time???? There is ALOT of things to consider in all of this and everyone in posts before me have alot of interesting things they said. Im sorry YOUR frustrated that my eyes are so called "closed" But each to his own.....

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"All Fieros broke right now" :(

Wonderful. I now see page 9 coming!

WARNING: I'm not checking for spelling as my computer is acting goofy here at home tonight...lost all images and only see boxes.

Triad, please chill a bit as there was a reason to my parody, one of them was NOT to insult, but to break some of the mundane mononity that is occuring here. If it bothered you, I'm truely sorry that it made you feel that way. It wasn't my intention.

Its getting way too serious in here, but humorous at the same time.

I somewhat if not somehow find this thread amusing.

At times, some of you guys remind me of an old married couple.

For example, a married couple both go to the same art gallary but at different times during the day not knowing that the other had also visited at some point and see the exact same beautiful painting which had caught their eyes during their visit.

When they are both at home, they talk about their day and how they went to the art gallary and how they both seen this absolutely beautiful painting and wished the other could have seen it.

They each describe the painting they saw and how beautiful it was.

They argue back and fourth that the painting they had saw was more beautiful then what the other one had seen and that they should have seen it to understand what they were describing.

They were so overwhelmed in what they believed in to be the only viable description of beauty.

Though they felt their descriptions were were entirely different to that of the other, they were in fact describing the same "EXACT" painting, but not seeing let alone realizing that their conversations were parallel. They were lost in the symantics of their discussion, ie, confusing the other that they were describing something different.

If that makes sense. Kind of the "Can't see the forest beyond the tree." scenario.

I'm not an expert on the bible, let alone religion. I really wonder if there is an expert? Anywhooo...

Now if you will all excuse me, at least I believe "my" cows are coming home where I don't have to discuss this issue.

Not asking anyone to believe what the Bible says, but at least you should have a chance to know it accurately, and not hearsay.

Jeremiah 22:30 God puts a curse on Jeconiah (Coniah), a wicked king, and declares that none of his descendants will ever sit on the throne of David again.

Problem here, the messiah is supposed to be a descendant of David and rule on the throne.

Luke 3:23 and onward, then traces Mary's lineage back to show that her offspring qualifies to make a claim to the throne, but she is not from Jeconiah's lineage.

Matthew 1 has Joseph's lineage, which is through Jeconiah, and entitles his descendants to the throne except for the curse. So if Joseph was the biological father, Jesus would have been disqualified. That's why verse 16 says "And Jacob BEGAT Joseph THE HUSBAND of MARY, of whom was born Jesus..." The wording is intentionally clear that he is NOT the biologic father. But Jesus being Joseph's adopted child, Jesus gains access back to the throne through David's lineage.

THAT is why the virgin birth is so important. Really, I don't care if you believe the Bible is true or not, but it is very careful to NEVER contradict itself.

Once Jesus was born, there was no need for Mary to continue to be a virgin. In fact that would have been evil, because she wouldn't have been fulfilling her role as a wife to poor Joseph. So in fact, after Jesus was born, they did have sex as you would expect any married couple to do, and they had several children.

Just an FYI.

Thanks, FL.
But I really want to know Hugh's take on all this. He seems to be an intelligent, reasonable, common-sense kind of guy. Not just some Gilligan who doesn't have a clue. I respect his opinion, and look up to him as a long-time PFF member who seems to have it all together and knows where it's at. So, how about it Hugh, if you're watching all this? Illuminate us with your wisdom, we beseech thee!

HUH?

quote Originally posted by frontal lobe: Not asking anyone to believe what the Bible says, but at least you should have a chance to know it accurately, and not hearsay. Jeremiah 22:30 God puts a curse on Jeconiah (Coniah), a wicked king, and declares that none of his descendants will ever sit on the throne of David again. Problem here, the messiah is supposed to be a descendant of David and rule on the throne. Luke 3:23 and onward, then traces Mary's lineage back to show that her offspring qualifies to make a claim to the throne, but she is not from Jeconiah's lineage. Matthew 1 has Joseph's lineage, which is through Jeconiah, and entitles his descendants to the throne except for the curse. So if Joseph was the biological father, Jesus would have been disqualified. That's why verse 16 says "And Jacob BEGAT Joseph THE HUSBAND of MARY, of whom was born Jesus..." The wording is intentionally clear that he is NOT the biologic father. But Jesus being Joseph's adopted child, Jesus gains access back to the throne through David's lineage. THAT is why the virgin birth is so important. Really, I don't care if you believe the Bible is true or not, but it is very careful to NEVER contradict itself. Once Jesus was born, there was no need for Mary to continue to be a virgin. In fact that would have been evil, because she wouldn't have been fulfilling her role as a wife to poor Joseph. So in fact, after Jesus was born, they did have sex as you would expect any married couple to do, and they had several children. Just an FYI.

LUKE 3:23 IS ABOUT THE LINE OF JOSEPH NOT MARY!!!!!!
AND WHY DOES MATTHEW LIST JACOB AS JOSEPH'S DAD AND LUKE LIST HELI AS JOSEPH'S DAD???
THEN IT GETS WORSE THE LISTS DO NOT MATCH
DID LEVI FATHER MATTHAT OR WAS ELEAZAR HIS DAD??????
THEN BOTH LISTS NAME DIFFERENT PEOPLE LINE THEM UP NO MATCHES BACK TO DAVID??????
WHO'S LIST IS RIGHT AND WHO'S IS WRONG
BOTH SAY JOSEPH NOT MARY, NO LIST FOR HER PEOPLE.

NO CONTRADICTIONS ???????????????????????

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Question wonder and be wierd

I'm going to go straight into it:

Triad: I didn't go postal when you went after the Catholic church. Most of what you said is true... So hear me out here:

1) The bible cannot POSSIBLY be an accurate document. Why? Look at the evidence. It has been re-written over and over, and OVER again. It's human nature. People are corruptible. That's why the Catholic church went postal in the middle ages. Not arguing that there was never a bible. Only that all the current versions are tainted. In fact, I'd probably take the Catholic's version over the newer ones... It's been around since the early pre 1000s... In one form or another.

2) Why does the bible have to be literal? God is a smart guy. Are you REALLY going to give a stone-age society a lesson on advanced quantum-physics?!? Genetics? He wanted His Word to be passed along. Doesn't help if the people don't have a CLUE what He's talking about. Yeah, he COULD have made all them understand. Suddenly, you have a couple of flint-workers running around looking for Uranium... That's a society doomed for collapse. What's the best way out? Easy. Myths. Same reason you over-simplify when your 3-year-old asks about babies. No way that the child would be able to fully comprehend the process. I would consider an early agricultural society as the child here, and God the parent. As such, we gain NOTHING by not questioning EVERYTHING. If, as it is said, that proof of God's existance is all around us, then there cannot POSSIBLY be harm in taking everything apart... He'll be in there, SOMEWHERE... (I personally have a Strong Nuclear Force theory... God isn't everything... He's the space that holds everything together)

3) Not to poke a stick in your eye, but by holding the bible as you do, isn't that no better than lighting candles at a Prima Donna statuette? Or being ruled by a Pope? That's Idolatry, too... I was taught that those symbols stood for what was right, just as you were taught the same about the bible (I assume... Don't believe that you've mentioned what church you hail from)

4) You call ray b ignorant and stupid... Because he won't put stock in a man-made 5000-year old text? Sorry, who's being naive? Granted, you've found your own reason to believe it... But it's uncalled for to slam others when they don't, too...

5) Jsocha's story was amusing... But then, I laughed at Dogma, too Guess I'm a bad person.

6) (refering to some earlier posts) It's very dangerous to start persecuting certain people because of what the bible says. As ray has eloquently pointed out, this is the path that the Taliban has taken. They are busy (or were, there aren't that many left) massacreing people for EXACTLY the same reasons you are saying... Does that make it right? Maybe they ARE right... What does that to your teachings? Accept the possibility that the Bible that you read is WRONG. Accept the fact that Gay people aren't evil... Accept that there MAY in fact be Witchcraft that comes from within, not from Satan. For a fallen Angel, he sure has a lot of sway...

ray b, I am not picking on you, but you give a perfect example of people saying, "see, the Bible contradicts itself and is full of errors". Or could it be that the person doesn't read carefully, and makes the error?

Luke 3:23 says And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli...then the geneology.

The "being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph" section is parenthetical to hammer home the point that Jesus was not biologically Joseph's son, but by his marriage to Mary, positionally was.

So read it this way as it was intended, ray b.

And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, which was the son of Heli...

Luke 3:32 is Jesus' geneology through Mary, not Joseph.

THAT is why the list doesn't match up. It's not supposed to match up.

But, again, this is a perfect example of misunderstanding the intent of the writers and then claiming the Bible is in error. Well, sorry ray b, but this error is on you.

quote Originally posted by TRiAD: The "fallen" race were called [b]Nephalim. They had to be the spawn of fallen angels, because angels were only given free will for one decision, essentially, and any "non-fallen" angels messing around with people would have fallen, since extra-marital sex is a sin. The Bible is very clear that Noah's family was pure, and are the only ones to have survived the flood, and that, only by His hand. That isn't to say it's not possible that Nephalim once again roam the earth...there are enough "Goliath"s around (Andre the giant would have been a prime candidate) that it's clearly a possibility. I personally believe God put an end to that long before the Flood, and used that in part to complete the destruction of their lineage. [/B]

Where is Nephalim mentioned? Genesis 6 only says the "sons of God". It also says they took the daughters of man as their wives.

I believe the flood was for the local region and the ancestors of the Israelites. If not, where did all the "outsiders" come from in later stories? Same with the creation story. Do you believe Cain's wives were sisters he took with him? What about Seth?

Giants were also called mighty men and it did say there were some after those days. Maybe mighty doesn't neccessarily mean in the physical sense. Maybe Da Vinci, Einstein, or even people like MLK Jr???

Take the bible as myths and human generated text that is full of translation errors and what do you have?

Nothing - a worthless document - just as if the repair manual for your Fiero has been corrupted and altered and written by shadetree mechanics, and is full of errors - then what good is it?!

But the factory service manuals were written by the same engineers that designed the car itself - they know what they are talking about.

Its only a loose analogy - the Bible is far more 'authentic' than a shop manual from GM.

Those who take the Bible serious, who study it seriously, are totally amazed at the links and connections and scientific knowledge it contains - the prophetcies predicted and fullfilled within its pages, and the prophetcies that are still to be fullfilled which appear to be in the process of happening.

Yes any given translation will have errors in it - Yes every copy of every old manuscript do not agree with each other - that dosnt make it all null and void, and that doenst make it a myth. It simply means when you are in doubt you have to go back to the author and ask Him whats what.

If you are in doubt while reading your Fiero service manual you can still go to a dealership and ask a mechanic questions.

Jesus told the disciples you have no need for anyone to teach you, for when the Holy Spirit comes, He will make all things known to you, and will bring things to your rememberance.

So you are partially correct. The Bible cannot stand alone as your only means of understanding God. I asked the question before, and nobody stepped up to answer - how do you know you are right?

The answer is three things.

1. You have the bible - any given translation may confuse you with its wording and accuracy. But if you consult several translations, and if you go back to the original greek, hebrew and other manuscripts you can usually get to the bottom of things.

2. You have the author at your disposal. The indwelling of the Holy Spirit is direct contact with God Himself. If you dont understand something you can ASK for guidance and it will be given to you. Someone mentioned about having your eyes opened. Before I was filled with the Holy Spirit I had read the Bible - after the gift of the Spirit was given to me, I read it again many times and discovered things I would swear were NOT THERE the last time (and it was the same copy of the Bible I had since I was a kid).

3. You have the testimony of your own heart. When God created you He put His signature on your soul. God intended us to be His children - our nature was like His until the fall of man in the garden of Eden. Fortuantely we still have the sense inside all of us of what is right and wrong - we dont really need anyone to tell us - but unfortunately due to our fallen nature we do not have the ability within us to always DO the things we know we should, and to NOT DO the things we know we shouldnt. But its all still there. Guilt is a gift that keeps on giving :c)

That is the answer - that is how you KNOW.

If someone comes to you and says I have this new information from God - and it conflicts with what is in the bible then it is wrong (sorry to all our Mormon and JW friends)

If you dont understand something in the bible and your heart is confused and you ask God for guidance, then His will will come to you - either by opening or closing doors infront of you so you have no option to follow the wrong path, or by opening your eyes to the real issue and putting a burden for it on your heart.

And if you follow some other religion and you see signs and wonders and miracles - or if spacecraft decend from the skis with alien creatures who declare "we are your creators - we were Jesus and Budda and Mohammid..." then listen carefully to the rest of the message - listen to what they want you to DO

and if it doesnt sit right with your heart, then you know you are being deceived.

Its like DNA. A fathers DNA will be present in his children. Likewise - Gods characteristics and nature will be present in your heart- written on your soul like a signature.

So I'm wrong for standing up for the Bible, but Ray's right in supporting some stupid "conspiracy theory" he saw on TV? You people never cease to amaze me. "It MUST be true...he saw it on TNT!"

Mach, I'd never go postal on you, you're not implying that I'm a murderer (and Ray if you do it again, we're going to have SERIOUS problems).

Ray, one thing. You're no more entitled to your opinion than anyone else here...we all know where you stand, you're re-stating the same banter endlessly. I'm going to ask you to shut up unless you have something new. We all know you think Mary wasn't a virgin, that Mary Magdaline was Jesus' wife, and that they have kids somewhere in France (you saw it on TNT, it must be true).

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quote insults typical of christian's responce to facts they don't like !!!!! SADLY SO IS KILLING HERITIC'S "the Bible that says thou shall not kill; thou shall not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said, OK." I AM SURE TALIBAN WOULD SUPPORT YOUR REFORMS "Then, Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave...an expert should know what he's talking about so we said OK." TALIBAN BEAT KIDS TOOO "Then, someone said teachers and principals better not discipline our children when they misbehave..." TALIBAN BELIVES SAME AS YOUR DO "Then someone said, let's let our daughters have abortions if they want, and they won't even have to tell their parents. And we said, OK." NO ABORTIONS UNDER TALIBAN "Then some wise school board member said, since boys will be boys and they're going to do it anyway, let's give our sons all the condoms they want, so they can have all the fun they desire, and we won't have to tell their parents they got them at school. And we said, OK." NO BIRTH CONTROLL FOR BEN LADIN OR TALIBAN "Then some of our top elected officials said it doesn't matter what we do in private as long as we do our jobs..." I AM SURE BEN LADIN AGREES WITH YOU "And then someone said let's print magazines with pictures of nude women and call it wholesome, down-to-earth appreciation for the beauty of the female body. And we said, OK." NO PLAYBOY'S MAG ALLOWED BY TALIBAN "And then someone else took that appreciation a step further and published pictures of nude children and then stepped further still by making them available on the Internet. And we said OK; they're entitled to their free speech." NO PIC OR FREE SPEACH IS FINE WITH TALIBAN "And then the entertainment industry said, let's make TV shows and movies that promote profanity, violence... TALIBAN SAID NO TV NO MOVIES OR MUSIC AT ALL "Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong... TALIBAN LIKES KILLING STRANGERS BUT NOT CLASSMATES OR SELF LIKE JOHN ASHCROFT IN OREGON'S NEW LAW BAN HE DID FOR RELIGIOUS REASONS "Funny how the lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene pass freely through cyberspace, but the public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace... BELIVERS WANT TO SUPPRESS DISCUSSION OF TRUTH SAME AS TALIBAN DOES "Funny how someone can be so fired up for Christ on Sunday, but be an invisible Christian the rest of the week. Are you laughing?" AT YOU YESSS, AT TALIBAN YESSS, BEATS CRYING "Funny how I can be more worried about what other people think of me than what God thinks of me. Are you thinking?" OF HOW ALL OF THIS THE TALIBAN AGREES WITH "Pass it on if you think it has merit. If not then just discard it..." NO FIGHT THE EVIL THAT RELIGIONS TRY TO SPRED "no one will know that you did. But, if you discard this thought process, then don't sit back and complain about what a bad shape the world is in! God Bless America!" WHAT IS THE REAL DIFFERENCE IN TALIBAN AND YOUR PLANS FOR MY LAWS I SEE VERY VERY LITTLE DIFFERENCE

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AND, if you insinuate that I'm bin Laden, one of his followers, prone to his disalusions, or a murderer of heritics again, in any way shape or form, we will have VERY serious problems.

You don't know me, you know nothing about me. You have no right to speak to me the way you have. Everyone else here is stating opinions and disagreeing peacefully, yet you insist on being this way. If it's too much for you to be involved without slander, please sit out.

[This message has been edited by TRiAD (edited 11-29-2001).]

Just wondering...Would you go postal on me Triad?

Just curious is all as I want to stay on cool ground with not only you but with the other members here as well.

Triad:

quote HOLY CRAP!!!! "IT WAS ON TLC ON TV?!" WHAT ARE YOU, RETARDED?! "THE CHURCH TRIES TO HIDE HIS KIDS"?! ONLY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH STILL CONTENDS MARY'S VIRGINITY, THE PRODESTANT CHURCHES WOULD PROBABLY HAVE THESE GUYS AS THEIR LEADERS, IF THEY EXISTED!! J E S U S - W A S - N E V E R - M A R R I E D ! - J E S U S - N E V E R - H A D - S E X !! - J E S U S - N E V E R - H A D - K I D S !!!!!!!

Amen to that!!

I apologize for "going postal" on anyone...This is a mode of my personality usually reserved for much more dire issues, and rarely seen.

It is on this forum, reserved especially for ray, since ed is gone. (ray before you go calling "conspiracy" on me, I'm kidding...)