quote Originally posted by Unrivaled: Bottom line swap what you want and enjoy your Fiero. And even though you might get beat by a EVO, WRX STi, Blown Mustang Cobra, the NEW Mustang GT or Corvette all of them are a dime a dozen and are nowhere near as cool as the Fiero with the possible exception of the Corvette and even that's debatable.

Very well put. Even though the 4.9 gets beat, They are usally impressed with just how fast it is for Fiero. At the track I've had quite a few GN guys, Mustang guys all rave about how wild my car is. I know it's not the fastest Fiero in the world but it makes me happy. Of course I do know of a Vette owner who's afraid to race my fiero (my Dad), I'm not saying I'd beat him just that he's stated he's afraid to race my car (he think I'll win)

quote Originally posted by SOULCRUSHER: To be honest, I didn't answer your questions because they do not make much sense. Alot of What if questions, how do answer those?? So i will try to satisfy your ego by answering your questions. 1. Take mine almost every Friday, in fact I went and raced it last nite. Lildevil ran his as well and ran a 12.26@109mph. I will post pics when I get a chance. 2.Both engines will do as daily drivers. I am guessing the 4.9 may be better suited to it unless you get a nice quite exhaust on the SC3800. It tends to be loud unless you use the proper mufflers. I have always said the SC3800 is the "Heavy Metal" swap. 3. You can get a V8 sound out of a SC3800 with the right muffler. Mine has a cam and Flowmaster 80. It is confused as a V8 sometimes. BUt if you want a V8 sound the 4.9 wins, its a V8. But is you want to win stoplight to stoplight, the Sc3800 is the way to go. And the SC3800 has PLENTY of off the line power. Its instant. Mine has so much now that I can't floor it off the line on the street or the track without spinning. I dynoed mine when it had the 1.9 rockers and a 3.25 pulley. Thats it as far as mods. It put down 247HP/316 LBft of torque at the wheels. That is under 500 dollars in mods that bolt right up. The thing that gets me about this stop light to stop light business is that a 4.9 will not win a race against a EVO, WRX STi, Blown Mustang Cobra, the NEW Mustang GT, or Corvette. A stock SC3800 won't either, BUT you slap on a 3.4 pulley and rockers it will. BTW, a NEW Mustang GT with auto ran a 13.39@104 mph last nite. Stock. The 4.9 isn't able to keep up with the new cars coming out with out SERIOUS mods. The SC3800 can and will beat these cars with simple mods that don't require removing the engine. Intercooler, pulley swap, PCM, rockers, enlarged Throttle body, headers, bigger injectors, etc. etc. If the motor is out throw in a cam damn it! 4. This question answers itself. But the SC3800 is modern and easy to maintain. As with any motor, maintenance is necessary. 5. In my opinion an auto is a must with the SC3800. And you get all the power you need off the line AND in the higher RPMS. Why have a motor that runs outta breath? 6. SC3800. This question also answers itself.

Most of this response is very well thought out and well written.

It also is very obvious that Souldcrusher has NEVER driven, ridden in, or raced against a 4.9, only spouting what he thinks he has learned about them in this biased forum.

I really would like to know how is is such an expert on which modern car can or cannot do whatever against a 4.9? Off the line and for about a city block (a Tulsa city block, 1/10 of a mile) I have beaten a Z06 6 speed, numerous Mustangs, (both old and new - except a Cobra, haven't had the opportunity) SS Camaro's, and even a few GTP's. WRX SI? They are awesome at an autocross, but unless they are modded, I haven't had any problems with them at the light. EVO's? I haven't had the opportunity, but if the WRX can take it, so can I.

Anyway, after a city block or so, I shut down 'cause
(1) I can't afford any tickets, my commercial liability will go up by about 2 grand a year for each ticket
(2) I know all of the above will catch and pass me sooner or later (some sooner, and some later!).
But I have great fun seeing the look on their faces (especially the guy with the red Z06 a couple houses down from me).

I am not sure I understand the maintenance aspect - - what does Soulcrusher think goes so terribly wrong with the "antique" 4.9?? I have one of the first 4.9 conversions done in the US (BubbaJoe had done several in Canada by then), and the only problems I have had is with keeping a 5 speed trans in the car. No problems with that engine - - period, bar none. Same engine after 5 years of hard running - in track days, autocrossing, on the strip - both 1/8 and 1/4, and as a daily driver option to my Dodge Cummins.

I WILL agree with him, however, about the auto trans - item 5. I think both the 4.9 and the 3800SC need an auto to best harness the power (or lack of in the 4.9, to hear him talk).

I really don't understand why the 4.9 can't install different pulleys, rockers, TB, injectors, and exhaust without being MAJOR mods (emphasis is his, not mine) but the same are just minor mods on the 3.8 motors?? Mine now has a different, freer breathing exhaust than we originally put on, an Allante intake, injectors, and valve springs. Oh, and a cam when the cradle was rolled down for one of my tranny swaps. All the same mods (except for the blower) as he mentioned above. But mine has MAJOR mods - - - ??

Again, I will give the quarter mile to brand X motor, but am patiently waiting for one - any one - to come out to play on an autocross course with me (handling - weight - rear bias - balance - turn corners - accelerate out of corners. etc ). You know, in my eyes, any car that spins when it is in the hammer-down mode definitely has a handling problem.

Soulcrusher challenged me to come 1250 miles to run him on the strip (at my expense) in an earlier post, which I graciously declined. But I also called him out to meet me at Ed's swap meet in the 1/8 mile, which he declined ('cause he don't even own a Fiero, says he).

G

quote Originally posted by cadero2dmax: I really would like to know how is is such an expert on which modern car can or cannot do whatever against a 4.9? Off the line and for about a city block (a Tulsa city block, 1/10 of a mile) I have beaten a Z06 6 speed, numerous Mustangs, (both old and new - except a Cobra, haven't had the opportunity) SS Camaro's, and even a few GTP's. G

I just fail to believe that.. I have driven in a 4.9, and yeah, they 'seem' fast, as in push you in the seat, but the redline is just too low.. It is like a small 'truck' engine, meant to haul a heavy car around.. I'm confident my maxima could at least hang with a 4.9, let alone a z06...

oh boy what a crapfest this turned into.
i'm not even gonna get into the hows or whys of the engine choice i made. because somebody who has a different engine will come running out and give me hell for it.

frankly it doesn't matter which engine you have. and this goes for just about everyone in this thread. let it friggin die.

4.9 guys. you catch crap for your swaps constantly. tinker in the garage and prove em wrong. but do it with class. not bickering.

3800 guys. you say you were disrespected. i don't remember that ever. as long as i've been here they got their props. if they were disrespected it was before i got here. but when you did get disrespected did it piss you off? someone else sat there and talked crap about your hard work because they had a different engine. didn't that make you angry? now you've grown up to be that ******* . thats real cool.

i am building a 4.9 powered 88 coupe for myself. when that is finished i will be searching for a blue '87 GT to swap an L67 into for my wife to drive. why build two drasticly different cars? because they'll both be awesome.

2.5, SD4, 2.8, Q4, 3.1, 3.4, TDC, 3.5, L36, L67, 4.1, 4.3, N*, 4.6, 4.9, and SBC fieros all have one thing in common. and as soon as you bickering imbiciles figure out what that is you'll figure out why we're all on this forum and will stop acting like asses to each other.

you know. a couple of people who i really liked, and really thought highly of posted in this thread. some of you guys had really nice cars. some of them have spend time on my desktop. but i've lost alot of respect for you because of the stupidity in this thread.

and with that i'm going to bed.

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quote Originally posted by JohnnyK: I just fail to believe that.. I have driven in a 4.9, and yeah, they 'seem' fast, as in push you in the seat, but the redline is just too low.. It is like a small 'truck' engine, meant to haul a heavy car around.. I'm confident my maxima could at least hang with a 4.9, let alone a z06...

There are plenty of 4.9's in Canada that I'm sure might just prove you wrong.

4.9 taking a Z06????

Guy coudn't drive. Z06 pulls over a G in acceleration, they hook well. If the guy had any driving skills at all you would have been behind him before the top of 1st gear....

quote Originally posted by Unrivaled: There are plenty of 4.9's in Canada that I'm sure might just prove you wrong.

But timeslips and test articles have proved me right already.. Plus as I've said, I've driven in one or two.. Dude, it's a 14-15 second car.. Just accept it..

quote Originally posted by malacite: oh boy what a crapfest this turned into. i'm not even gonna get into the hows or whys of the engine choice i made. because somebody who has a different engine will come running out and give me hell for it. you know. a couple of people who i really liked, and really thought highly of posted in this thread. some of you guys had really nice cars. some of them have spend time on my desktop. but i've lost alot of respect for you because of the stupidity in this thread.

The only thing that happened in this thread is the TRUTH. People were comparing the 4.9 to the 3800SC. Numbers dont lie. I think thats what got all the 4.9 guys in a huff.

I dont know how you lost "respect" for members you thought highly of. They only spoke the truth.

quote Originally posted by JohnnyK: But time slips and test articles have proved me right already.. Plus as I've said, I've driven in one or two.. Dude, it's a 14-15 second car.. Just accept it..

Dude don't accept it. If any 4.9 does a 15 second or hell even a high 14 second time slip, THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG. My 2.8 would run a high 14 I have time slips to prove that as well as video.

My bone stock 4.9 with a good chip is much faster than that car. I have not yet taken it to the track however I will.

I hate to argue with a fellow Canadian, but anyone that honestly thinks a 4.9 would do a 15 second quarter mile has smoked way to much crack. A stock 4.9 in good running order will run a low 14 to a high 13. Look at rockcrawls cars that he sets up for customs most run low 13's. So you can say a 13/14 second car, but 14/15 dude put down the pipe.

quote Originally posted by Capt Fiero: If any 4.9 does a 15 second ...time slip, THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG.

This is a true statement. My stock/rockcrawl 4.9 was running 15.1 at the track, and later found out it was running way too rich because the ECM was not in block learn mode. I have fixed that problem and expect it would now run low to mid 14 seconds.

quote Originally posted by Capt Fiero: Dude don't accept it. If any 4.9 does a 15 second or hell even a high 14 second time slip, THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG. My 2.8 would run a high 14 I have time slips to prove that as well as video. My bone stock 4.9 with a good chip is much faster than that car. I have not yet taken it to the track however I will. I hate to argue with a fellow Canadian, but anyone that honestly thinks a 4.9 would do a 15 second quarter mile has smoked way to much crack. A stock 4.9 in good running order will run a low 14 to a high 13. Look at rockcrawls cars that he sets up for customs most run low 13's. So you can say a 13/14 second car, but 14/15 dude put down the pipe.

You put down the pipe, a stock 2.8 is only good for a 16 second 1/4 mile time, or a mid-high 15 at best. A 4.9 is just a bit faster than a 2.8, it is a 14 second car, possibly 15 at the right track, or a 13 at the right track.

The low-end torque argument of the 4.9 doesn't hold up. A Fiero with a 2.8 V6 has the same 0-30 time as a Lamborghini Diablo, I suppose the 2.8 is a really great motor then, even though it runs out of breath at about the same time as the 4.9 (5000 rpms). 4.9's, however, are nice swaps, but they aren't the greatest thing since sliced bread. I don't have any problem with someone putting a 4.9 in their car, heck I thought about putting one in a Fiero, but I hate it when people BS.

quote Originally posted by Tinton: You put down the pipe, a stock 2.8 is only good for a 16 second 1/4 mile time, or a mid-high 15 at best. A 4.9 is just a bit faster than a 2.8, it is a 14 second car, possibly 15 at the right track, or a 13 at the right track. The low-end torque argument of the 4.9 doesn't hold up. A Fiero with a 2.8 V6 has the same 0-30 time as a Lamborghini Diablo, I suppose the 2.8 is a really great motor then, even though it runs out of breath at about the same time as the 4.9 (5000 rpms). 4.9's, however, are nice swaps, but they aren't the greatest thing since sliced bread. I don't have any problem with someone putting a 4.9 in their car, heck I thought about putting one in a Fiero, but I hate it when people BS.

Ya know I was going to make up a huge rant post. However it is obvious you don't know what you are talking about. Even the automatic 2.8's did better than 16 seconds in the quarter when they were tested. The only 16 second Fiero's are 4 poppers or tired 2.8's.

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Hey Capt fiero, I think Tinton might not know that your 2.8 was NOT stock.

quote Originally posted by Capt Fiero: Ya know I was going to make up a huge rant post. However it is obvious you don't know what you are talking about. Even the automatic 2.8's did better than 16 seconds in the quarter when they were tested. The only 16 second Fiero's are 4 poppers or tired 2.8's.

The ONLY stock Fiero's that ran less than 16 seconds were the V-6/manual transmission cars. The auto's were mid 16's. Performance exhaust and a bored ported intake will get a Fiero with a 2.8L and auto trans down to about 15.7 in the 1/4 mile.
The 2.5L 4-cyl's are 17-18 second cars.

I can't believe how long this thread is.
What engine a person swaps is personal preference. Nothing more and nothing less.
Bottom line a stock 3800SC is faster than a stock 4.9L in a Fiero.
Rockcrawl's 4.9L has internal mods and tuning, So does FieroX's 3800SC. Both are quick cars.
To think that swapping a 4.9L or a 3800SC is going to get you into the same 1/4 mile times as Rockcrawl or FieroX, you are wrong.
These guys spent money and time to mod and set-up the cars. They are not stock.

quote Originally posted by JohnnyK: More cylinders by no means better or faster... As for the SBC.. Lets step into the new millenium here..

Newer isn't necesarily better. I'd rather have an SBC fiero than any of those other options.

DLD

quote Originally posted by DelawareFiero: The only thing that happened in this thread is the TRUTH. People were comparing the 4.9 to the 3800SC. Numbers dont lie. I think thats what got all the 4.9 guys in a huff. I dont know how you lost "respect" for members you thought highly of. They only spoke the truth.

you can speak the truth and not be an ass. or at least i thought you could. maybe not.

quote Originally posted by RacerX10: Newer isn't necesarily better. I'd rather have an SBC fiero than any of those other options. DLD

Because you prefer a sbc doesn't make it better. Newer technology is generally better. The 3800 isn't exactly new, its just a supercharged version of the 80s GN motors. The 4.9 is also an 80s engine that has been revised (4.1, 4.5)

Newer motors such as an LS1 or a N* have 300+ hp stock and get good fuel economy along with being light weight. LS1 may be called a 3rd gen sbc, but it has little in common with a traditional sbc.

Well, it would be pretty hard for most fiero owners to beat the set up RacerX10 is planning. (must be nice to have a race shop, LOL)

quote Originally posted by Rhino88gt: Well, it would be pretty hard for most fiero owners to beat the set up RacerX10 is planning. (must be nice to have a race shop, LOL)

This seems like a good place to post a pic of my main acquisition :

I have an Eagle crank and rods that should be in some time this week. Going to build a 377. Should be good up to around 9k RPM if i get the top end together like I hope to.

DLD

quote Originally posted by JohnnyK: More cylinders by no means better or faster... As for the SBC.. Lets step into the new millenium here..

JohnnyK, maybe I'm wrong but the vibe I get from you is if it's not forced induction or dohc then it's not worth swapping.

quote Originally posted by Unrivaled: JohnnyK, maybe I'm wrong but the vibe I get from you is if it's not forced induction or dohc then it's not worth swapping.

Not at all, but I'm never going to say that a sbc is a 'better' engine than them..I just think it's ridiculous to think more cylinders = better or more power. Forced induction just makes an engine a whole lot more efficient. The fiero is a small car, I just think a high revving 6 suits it a lot more.. Especially when the high revving 6 makes it a faster car..

quote Originally posted by JohnnyK: Not at all, but I'm never going to say that a sbc is a 'better' engine than them..I just think it's ridiculous to think more cylinders = better or more power. Forced induction just makes an engine a whole lot more efficient. The fiero is a small car, I just think a high revving 6 suits it a lot more.. Especially when the high revving 6 makes it a faster car..

But you are saying forced induction and dohc are better than a sbc.

quote Originally posted by RacerX10:

Hey racerx10, I bet all those SBC haters have no idea they come in all aluminum too. Just think all the cons of a SBC swap "cough" weight "cough" just went out the window when you install an old tech pushrod SBC that's all aluminum. Step into the new millenium? not a snowballs chance in h*ll ! Oh yeah for personall knowledge how much does that block weigh? I'm guessing around 90lbs ? Have fun with it ! Pushrods forever !!!!!!

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High reving 302?

quote Originally posted by Unrivaled: But you are saying forced induction and dohc are better than a sbc.

Well yes, it is a better engine. It makes more hp/tq per given volume of displacement. As stated, you can like an engine better, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's a 'better' engine.. Better in the sense of specifications/technology, not opinion and preference.

quote Originally posted by JohnnyK: Not at all, but I'm never going to say that a sbc is a 'better' engine than them..I just think it's ridiculous to think more cylinders = better or more power. Forced induction just makes an engine a whole lot more efficient. The fiero is a small car, I just think a high revving 6 suits it a lot more.. Especially when the high revving 6 makes it a faster car..

More displacement = more power, there is no way that will ever change. Now lets boost an engine, yes that will make an engine produce more power. Now lets get CRAZY, and BOOST an engine that has more displacement (read that as more cylinders ie 8) I don't know why people think that turbo's , superchargers and dare i say it NAWWWZZZZZ are only applicable to small displacement ( read as less than 8 cylinders ) . Do you realize that you can boost a V-8 ? Those DOHC engine are not the ONLY engine on the planet that can be boosted. Think outside the box people JEEZ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
High reving? like how many rpm's are we talking ? There are plenty of SBC's that'll rev high, you just have to select the proper parts when you build the engine. Maybe I'm just a freekin moron because i don't think the low displacement, rev the piss out of it is the way to go. A SBC doesn't need to have the snot reved out of it, you know why ? Because it can make an A$$load of TQ from 1000 RPM to 6,500 RPM . Once again you have to build the engine to do this. It's actually easy to do because the SBC has such a huge aftermarket . You can build a SBC without using one single GM part ! So please quit trying to shove this LOW DISPLACEMENT WHIZ-BANG CRAP DOWN OUR THROAT !
SBC's rule . rant off

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quote Originally posted by FIEROPHREK: Hey racerx10, I bet all those SBC haters have no idea they come in all aluminum too. Just think all the cons of a SBC swap "cough" weight "cough" just went out the window when you install an old tech pushrod SBC that's all aluminum. Step into the new millenium? not a snowballs chance in h*ll ! Oh yeah for personall knowledge how much does that block weigh? I'm guessing around 90lbs ? Have fun with it ! Pushrods forever !!!!!!

Dead nuts phrek. With alum heads, my brain math puts me at about 50 lbs lighter than the 2.8 v6 it's replacing. I'm going to get as close to 50/50 weight as I can with this project. Initial guestimates from the scales are going to put me at 52/48 without trying very hard.

DLD

quote Originally posted by crzyone: Newer motors such as an LS1 or a N* have 300+ hp stock and get good fuel economy along with being light weight. LS1 may be called a 3rd gen sbc, but it has little in common with a traditional sbc.

Do you know that the fuelie corvette back in the prehistoric ages was puttin out 375 hp at the crank? Thats pretty impressive for an engine that was built in 1967. The third gen has plenty in common with it's ancestors. It is a PUSHROD engine. It has 8 (eight) cylinders. They make over 300 hp stock without boost. ME OGG! HEAR ME ROAR !

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Gee, out of the several paragraph letter that I last wrote in this thread, one phrase has become the topic of conversation. Don't you people read the whole thing? I launch, and then shut down as soon as my car starts to weaken - -. My car does NOT have stock 4.9 induction or "normal" exhaust. It also has a cam, and a 3.35:1 ratio trans with a 2.24 2nd gear.

I use second for the launch (first gear is for turning rubber into smoke), and launch -using my line-lock - at about 25 to 2800 RPM. I have consistantly got better launches and better times in both the 1/4 and the 1/8th starting in 2nd. That is also why I suggest that the auto trans be used for a 4.9 that is used to race. I think, no - I KNOW - that an auto will do a lot better (all else being equal) for accelerating. Most think 4T60, but I prefer the gearing in a TH-125 behind the 4.9 - once it is beefed up a little - BTW.

On the strip, I use drag radials with about 16psi under my mildly worked engine, and have the front skinny tires pumped to about 45psi. Now, THAT is how I got into the mid-13's with my car/engine. Call me a liar some more, if you will, but those are the facts, Jack!! As an aside, I concede that a 3800SC with about the same mods wwill be in the high 12's - -. But I AM in the mid 13's with the Cadero, take it or leave it!!

The 4.9 will never out-do any blown motor - including the 3800 - in the 1/4 mile (unless possibly the 4.9 is blown itself, and even then I doubt it). But from a launch, I do it consistantly and often - - for a few feet, perhaps as much as a block.

BTW, the 3800 would also be FAR better than a 4.9 on a road course - - -

I built and use my 4.9 mostly for solo - autocross - and that is where it shines. The car is nimble, balanced, and doesn't have an anchor in the trunk like all the other conversions (excluding the Quad 4). A 4.9 powered Fiero will outhandle a 3800 - even one with suspension work - hands down!! And to back that up, I will put either my daily driver, or Team Pythons dedicated autocrosser against ANY 3800 powered Fiero in that environment (mine against any 3800 over 2500lbs, Team Python against any 3800 that has been stripped more than that)!! Oh wait, we DID that - - - at Wheatstock!!

All kidding and rib-poking aside, my life is about more than a few short bursts in a straight line - even though in the real world mid to upper 13's is more than respectable. And that is why I made the powerplant choice I did.

To each his own

G

quote Originally posted by FIEROPHREK: You can build a SBC without using one single GM part ! So please quit trying to shove this LOW DISPLACEMENT WHIZ-BANG CRAP DOWN OUR THROAT ! SBC's rule . rant off

I hadn't really thought about it till you said that, but unless I'm overlooking something, I won't have any GM parts in my setup. Victor JR intake, Silver Demon 650 carb, MSD Ignition, and I've got a trick air intake setup figured out (I think) that will look a whole lot like FI to the untrained eye.

Something like this, with black plastic duct work going to either side under the deck vents, where the actual air filters will be :

No chrome though. Brushed alum on all of it.

No computer wires running all over hell and back, nice clean install.

DLD

quote Originally posted by RacerX10: Dead nuts phrek. With alum heads, my brain math puts me at about 50 lbs lighter than the 2.8 v6 it's replacing. I'm going to get as close to 50/50 weight as I can with this project. Initial guestimates from the scales are going to put me at 52/48 without trying very hard. DLD

Well now the aluminum SBC is out of the bag I guess I can spill the beans with my project. I'm building up a SBC (all iron for now ) until the capital is raised to purcheas all the engine components in aluminum then I'll put the "LEAD SLED" on a major diet. It will be fed rice, horse and snake. F*#K it I have made up my mind. I'm gonna boost this motor as well just to shut the SBC hater's mouth's once and for all, stay tuned.

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HARDCORE SBC FAN AND PROUD OF IT ! GOT TQ ?

quote Originally posted by FIEROPHREK: More displacement = more power, there is no way that will ever change. Now lets boost an engine, yes that will make an engine produce more power. Now lets get CRAZY, and BOOST an engine that has more displacement (read that as more cylinders ie 8) I don't know why people think that turbo's , superchargers and dare i say it NAWWWZZZZZ are only applicable to small displacement ( read as less than 8 cylinders ) . Do you realize that you can boost a V-8 ? Those DOHC engine are not the ONLY engine on the planet that can be boosted. Think outside the box people JEEZ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! High reving? like how many rpm's are we talking ? There are plenty of SBC's that'll rev high, you just have to select the proper parts when you build the engine. Maybe I'm just a freekin moron because i don't think the low displacement, rev the piss out of it is the way to go. A SBC doesn't need to have the snot reved out of it, you know why ? Because it can make an A$$load of TQ from 1000 RPM to 6,500 RPM . Once again you have to build the engine to do this. It's actually easy to do because the SBC has such a huge aftermarket . You can build a SBC without using one single GM part ! So please quit trying to shove this LOW DISPLACEMENT WHIZ-BANG CRAP DOWN OUR THROAT ! SBC's rule . rant off

Easy there stallion.. I'm aware of this.. Forced induction makes an engine more efficient. Thats all it does.. "Low displacement whiz bang crap".. That would be the root of your problem right there.. "It changes cam profiles. Must be magic"

quote Originally posted by JohnnyK: Since everyones freaking out already...... You know you'll make more horsepower with fuel injection, right?

You're talking less than a handfull of HP, and when you're flirting with 500, who cares ? I don't want all the hassle of going with FI (computers,wires, etc) I've seen the dyno results, and it's always under 10 HP differance all else being the same.

MPG is significantly better with FI, of course, but I'm not building this thing to fetch groceries

DLD

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JohnnyK, arent you doing the same thing that you accused 49ers of doing? By saying that forced inductions and dohc six cylinders are the best thing since sliced bread for Fieros.

That is a very nice block, but also very expensive.

Displacement does not mean power. Displacement with VE (volumetric efficiency) equals power. VE is more easily atained with a dohc design. I believe that is what JohnnyK was getting at. An engine with a high VE and forced induction IS a replacement for displacement.

The aluminum sbc is nice, but sbc's generally make too much torque for our transmissions to handle. A smaller displacement engine such as a N* which makes hp through rpm is better suited for a fiero. Less trani snapping torque.

I've been in a 430rwhp fiero with a 406 sbc and it was insane. I was amazed the getrag 5 speed could handle it, look forward to seeing your swap done.

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quote Originally posted by RacerX10: This seems like a good place to post a pic of my main acquisition : I have an Eagle crank and rods that should be in some time this week. Going to build a 377. Should be good up to around 9k RPM if i get the top end together like I hope to. DLD

I just gotta ask what trans do you plan on running that is going to support the HP your going to get from that motor? Better be something built or thats going to be a waste of alot of HP and alot of money in trannies.

quote Originally posted by crzyone: That is a very nice block, but also very expensive. I've been in a 430rwhp fiero with a 406 sbc and it was insane. I was amazed the getrag 5 speed could handle it, look forward to seeing your swap done.

You're all going to crap, but I got it for $0.00.

We bought it at an auction to build for one of our race cars, but upon further inspection decided it had been run too hard to be suitable for an 800 HP build. These rodeck blocks have problems with generating cracks on the mains webbing at big HP numbers so it's been sitting around the shop for 6 years looking for a home. 86 GT will be where it's going. Will hold up to 500 HP fine.

I also had a Eagle 383 crank I bought years ago and never used. New in the bag. Local engine builder needed one so we even-swapped for the 400 crank I need for this project. Also found a set of carillo nascar-pulloff rods that I'm going to ebay (2 bad in set, 6 brand new remaining) I think I'll get 500 for. So that covers a new set of rods and 1/2 a carb. I've also got a set of double-hump iron heads that were built to go on a race engine and never used. I think I'll get a couple hundred out of those too with that cash towards a decent set of alum heads.

I'm very fortunate to have a fully equipped race shop at my disposal, and enough blowup leftovers to put this thing together for next to nothing. I expect I'll have under $2,500.00 in the whole project when all the swapping is done, and that includes buying the car to start with !

DLD