Just ask and I will mail you down a couple. It easy to get time slips.
Actually, does Becky still have the picture of the timeslip from my car's run at the track? The picture link in my buildup thread is broken. I'm trying to remember what the 60 ft time was.
EDIT: woohoo I own page 5!
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PBJ Member
Posts: 4167 From: London, On., Canada Registered: Jan 2001
does Becky still have the picture of the timeslip from my car's run at the track?
I am pretty sure all of your pics that we have/had are on the disc, I checked our time slip file and yours is not there. At the time too your rear tires were not exactly "sticky"
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Jul 8th, 2005
cadero2dmax Member
Posts: 1266 From: Brighton, CO Registered: Oct 2001
Originally posted by SOULCRUSHER: <snip why don't you make a trip up here to Maryland. We can match race. There you've been challenged.
Since the time I founded the Performance Division of CFOGi, I know of 6 organized drag meets that have been arranged. The 20th, Wheatstock, at 3 of Ed's swap meets, and in conjunction with a track day at Arroyo Seco this year.Two were cancelled due to rain, and one for lack of participation. But that leaves 3 drag events - all-Fiero drag events - that you could have shown the entire Fiero community just how fast you REALLY are.
But instead, you choose to hide behind your keyboard and "challenge" me to trailer my car 1250 miles just for the pleasure of having a match race with you - - at MY expense, I presume??
I ain't interested. You have had your chances at me (and anybody else who calls your bluff) at the all-Fiero meets I mentioned above. But if you DO ever show up in person at any of these Fiero events, you will most likely find me there. Then, I guarantee it - - you can have your match race!!
I've lurked at PFF for years and registered to post my statement and ask a few questions.
These discussions always tend to get silly whenever a 4.9 is considered against another engine. This only seems to occur on PFF, I've never seen any other group of car owners belittle another because of their choice of engine. Moreover, some of these comments sound as if they are from people outside of the Fiero community that know little or nothing about the car. So here are some questions I would like to ask and have answered, particularly by those that have posted in this thread. How many of you have ever taken your Fiero to the dragstrip and raced it? What if the person considering the 4.9 vs. 3800 swap never intend to take it to the strip but wants it for everyday driving only. What if that person loves the sound of a V-8 and the off the line power of it and only wants to kick azz light to light during their daily drives? What if that person is not mechanically inclined and wants the reliability of a natually aspirated motor without worrying about supercharger failure and maintenance? What if the owner wants a automatic trans and a engine that provides instant power off idle? Conversly, what if that person loves the sound of a supercharger whining?
Bottom line, engine swaps like the choice of rims are very personal and cannot be validated or invalidated by others if the owner is satisfied with their decision. PFF sould give 4.9'ers the respect they deserve as fellow Fiero owners with a different vision for their car and stop treating them like unwanted stepchildren.
Darth, maybe the 3800SC doesn't get respect on other car forums but I have never seen anyone at PFF disrespect the 3600SC. However, many PFF'ers tend to disrespect the 4.9 every chance they get.
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Darth Fiero Member
Posts: 5922 From: Waterloo, Indiana Registered: Oct 2002
I've lurked at PFF for years and registered to post my statement and ask a few questions.
Darth, maybe the 3800SC doesn't get respect on other car forums but I have never seen anyone at PFF disrespect the 3600SC. However, many PFF'ers tend to disrespect the 4.9 every chance they get.
No offense, but if you have lurked on here for "years" you would know what us 3800 guys have gone thru pertaining to disrespect. Search the archives, you will find many threads where the 3800 was disrespected many times...that is until enough 3800 swaps were done and many impressive 1/4 mile times were established. It took a couple of years to gain respect amoung most members here but some are still critical of the 3800.
Lets pull out the wadded cotton and get down to the asprin concerning this issue. The reason why I think some 4.9 owners on here have met stiff "resistance" is because some outragious 1/4 mile and HP claims have been made by a few people without any proof to back them up. What did you expect was going to happen? As I said, both sides have their mouthpieces but if someone is going to make certain claims pertaining to what their particular engine can do, then they had better back up those claims with some proof otherwise they will be turned into cannonfodder by those on the other side of the debate. All I am saying is that if you don't like the disrespect your particular engine is getting on this board then perhaps you, and others that have the same engine as you should start posting some real numbers that prove that your engine is in-fact better than something else you are comparing it to. Otherwise these arguements amount to nothing more than bench-racing based on "what-if" circumstances instead of cold hard facts and proof.
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SOULCRUSHER Member
Posts: 1012 From: Waldorf, MD Registered: May 2004
Since the time I founded the Performance Division of CFOGi, I know of 6 organized drag meets that have been arranged. The 20th, Wheatstock, at 3 of Ed's swap meets, and in conjunction with a track day at Arroyo Seco this year.Two were cancelled due to rain, and one for lack of participation. But that leaves 3 drag events - all-Fiero drag events - that you could have shown the entire Fiero community just how fast you REALLY are.
But instead, you choose to hide behind your keyboard and "challenge" me to trailer my car 1250 miles just for the pleasure of having a match race with you - - at MY expense, I presume??
I ain't interested. You have had your chances at me (and anybody else who calls your bluff) at the all-Fiero meets I mentioned above. But if you DO ever show up in person at any of these Fiero events, you will most likely find me there. Then, I guarantee it - - you can have your match race!!
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whatever. My car doesn't run 12's. Hell I don't even own a Fiero. See, I am not going to travel 1200 miles to race at a Fiero event. I can't. I am not rich and I have a job that requires me to be there, our I don't get paid. BELIEVE me I would LOVE to attend one. I even tried to organize them way back. Look up my screen namee in General Archives as NOS3800. You will see numerous threads of my car at the track and my attempts to get cars together.
4.9 = older light aluminum v8 with low end grunt and relative ease of swapping on par with 3800 swaps, it came with an auto and tends to perform the best with one. sounds like a v8 3800sc = still being produced - v6 with a low end similar to the 4.9 according to dyno charts but has more top end- came with an auto but does well behind both autos and stickshifts - sounds like a quiet v6 - gets louder and has a notable supercharger whine when on the gas
now for the subjective part - V6's get disrespected because it isn't a V8 - a lot of the people who do the 4.9 swpa do it because they wanted a reliable inexpensive v8 not because they wanted the maximum potential - a lot of people who do the 3800 do it because its best performance potential for the buck - is a fairly new engine - is extremely reliable
me I was going to do a 4.9 swap for my fathers fiero - will be helping a friend do his 3800sc swap this winter - have done my own 3.4dohc turbo swap because it has the particular characteristics I like in an engine.. I've performed many swaps and helps other fix theirs..
I have nothing against the 4.9 - only have a problem with people pushing it as a gift of the gods.. its a decent performing inexpensive swap that can sound nice and look relatively nice when done properly.. but it seems like a satement like that hurts the pride of some v8 owners to think that a v6 is a better engine.
hell I think the 3800sc is a better engine than my 3.4dohc turbo - but its not the swap I wanted so its not the one I did
4.9 = older light aluminum v8 with low end grunt and relative ease of swapping on par with 3800 swaps, it came with an auto and tends to perform the best with one. sounds like a v8 3800sc = still being produced - v6 with a low end similar to the 4.9 according to dyno charts but has more top end- came with an auto but does well behind both autos and stickshifts - sounds like a quiet v6 - gets louder and has a notable supercharger whine when on the gas
now for the subjective part - V6's get disrespected because it isn't a V8 - a lot of the people who do the 4.9 swpa do it because they wanted a reliable inexpensive v8 not because they wanted the maximum potential - a lot of people who do the 3800 do it because its best performance potential for the buck - is a fairly new engine - is extremely reliable
me I was going to do a 4.9 swap for my fathers fiero - will be helping a friend do his 3800sc swap this winter - have done my own 3.4dohc turbo swap because it has the particular characteristics I like in an engine.. I've performed many swaps and helps other fix theirs..
I have nothing against the 4.9 - only have a problem with people pushing it as a gift of the gods.. its a decent performing inexpensive swap that can sound nice and look relatively nice when done properly.. but it seems like a satement like that hurts the pride of some v8 owners to think that a v6 is a better engine.
hell I think the 3800sc is a better engine than my 3.4dohc turbo - but its not the swap I wanted so its not the one I did
I asked these questions earlier and was hoping for answers by now but none sofar. So I'll repeat my questions and hope you guys answer.
Questions I would like to have answered, particularly by those that have posted in this thread.
1. How many of you have ever taken your Fiero to the dragstrip and raced it? 2. What if the person considering the 4.9 vs. 3800 swap never intend to take it to the strip but wants it for everyday driving only. 3. What if that person loves the sound of a V-8 and the off the line power of it and only wants to kick azz light to light during their daily drives? 4. What if that person is not mechanically inclined and wants the reliability of a natually aspirated motor without worrying about supercharger failure and maintenance? 5. What if the owner wants a automatic trans and a engine that provides instant power off idle? 6.Conversly, what if that person loves the dragstrip and sound of a supercharger whining along with greater top speed?
I asked these questions earlier and was hoping for answers by now but none sofar. So I'll repeat my questions and hope you guys answer.
Questions I would like to have answered, particularly by those that have posted in this thread.
1. How many of you have ever taken your Fiero to the dragstrip and raced it? 2. What if the person considering the 4.9 vs. 3800 swap never intend to take it to the strip but wants it for everyday driving only. 3. What if that person loves the sound of a V-8 and the off the line power of it and only wants to kick azz light to light during their daily drives? 4. What if that person is not mechanically inclined and wants the reliability of a natually aspirated motor without worrying about supercharger failure and maintenance? 5. What if the owner wants a automatic trans and a engine that provides instant power off idle? 6.Conversly, what if that person loves the dragstrip and sound of a supercharger whining along with greater top speed?
I asked these questions earlier and was hoping for answers by now but none sofar. So I'll repeat my questions and hope you guys answer.
Questions I would like to have answered, particularly by those that have posted in this thread.
1. How many of you have ever taken your Fiero to the dragstrip and raced it? 2. What if the person considering the 4.9 vs. 3800 swap never intend to take it to the strip but wants it for everyday driving only. 3. What if that person loves the sound of a V-8 and the off the line power of it and only wants to kick azz light to light during their daily drives? 4. What if that person is not mechanically inclined and wants the reliability of a naturally aspirated motor without worrying about supercharger failure and maintenance? 5. What if the owner wants a automatic trans and a engine that provides instant power off idle? 6.Conversely, what if that person loves the dragstrip and sound of a supercharger whining along with greater top speed?
1. I have raced at the strip many times with my 2.8 V6 but never with my new 4.9 my V6 ran 14.6 and I know the 4.9 is much faster than that. 2. I personally prefer the 4.9 3. Well that is easy, 4.9 all the way 4. Again you answered your own question the 4.9 wins there. 5. I don't think there is a simple swap out there for the Fiero that makes more torque at 1500rpms than the 4.9 does 6. That is an easy one, buy a Paxton blower put it where the Caddy AC was and go have fun. (just kidding, 3800 guys, get your panties out of your butt) The 3800 is the right choice in that matter.
Both engines are great. The banter in this thread is a more hot headed male ego strutting than anything else. I rode in both and to me, I prefer the 4.9. All out speed is not the absolute for an engine swap. I like the V8 sound and feel. My next choice for an engine swap would be a Merlin 454 SBC hooked to a 480HD tranny.
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mcaanda Member
Posts: 3652 From: Grand Junction Colorado Registered: Mar 2003
+ I don't think so, unless a 3800 sounds like a v8 or someone has put a supercharger on a v8.
What I mean is, it's proven that the 3.8 is a faster motor.. Correct? So if you wanted to kick ass stoplight to stoplight, wouldn't you just use the 3.8 anyways? The v8 rumble is almost turning into what you guys call 'rice' now imo.. "But has that v8 rumble".. I'm going to agree with the previous statement that it's a 'manly' thing I guess? I dunno, just call me newschool I guess..
What I mean is, it's proven that the 3.8 is a faster motor.. Correct? So if you wanted to kick ass stoplight to stoplight, wouldn't you just use the 3.8 anyways? The v8 rumble is almost turning into what you guys call 'rice' now imo.. "But has that v8 rumble".. I'm going to agree with the previous statement that it's a 'manly' thing I guess? I dunno, just call me newschool I guess..
Strange that someone would call a high 13 to low 14 sec v8 as rice because unlike stickers and fart cans a 4.9 definately gives the Fiero instant street cred.
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Strange that someone would call a high 13 to low 14 sec v8 as rice because unlike stickers and fart cans a 4.9 definately gives the Fiero instant street cred.
I don't want to get into this 1/4 time thing again. Claims must be followed by.. ahh crap, you know the drill..
I don't want to get into this 1/4 time thing again. Claims must be followed by.. ahh crap, you know the drill..
I was responding to your rice comment. Imo rice means having the look without the performance to back it up on the street. That is what I mean by istant street cred. Are you saying the 4.9 does not give the Fiero instant street cred but only sounds nice?
I was responding to your rice comment. Imo rice means having the look without the performance to back it up on the street. That is what I mean by istant street cred. Are you saying the 4.9 does not give the Fiero instant street cred but only sounds nice?
I never said that.. Thats what some 4.9 owners in this thread said...
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aaronrus Member
Posts: 870 From: bradenton, FL USA Registered: Nov 2003
It's true. That's one reason there are no world records for the Marathon. Too many variables. But tell me which tracks produce the 12 second timeslips, that's where I want to race.
desoto speedway, bradenton, FL, in january, whe it is cold.. ther eis some incredibly dense air in FL.. yoru cars will FLY down the track..
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aaronrus Member
Posts: 870 From: bradenton, FL USA Registered: Nov 2003
Are you friggin insane? Of course different conditions will affect your times, but you still get a ballpark figure. If you race at a high altitude, you can use a formula to find out what your car woulda run at sea level. All the magazines use it. So if you are racing at a high altitude, figure out the correction formula, I do not know it, and don't need it. My track is at sea level. OH, and most of my times are in the sticky humid weather that is common in the mid Atlantic states. And humidity kills performance, especially a SC3800. So imagine if we were in the midwest. But anyway, why don't you make a trip up here to Maryland. We can match race. There you've been challenged.
since when does humidity kill performance? that is utter nonesense.. my car runs better when the humidity is higher outside.. smoother idle, more power.better economy.
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aaronrus Member
Posts: 870 From: bradenton, FL USA Registered: Nov 2003
since when does humidity kill performance? that is utter nonesense.. my car runs better when the humidity is higher outside.. smoother idle, more power.better economy.
If its humid outside, there is more water in the air. More water, less O2 in the cylinders, less performance.
Also, you 4.9 guys that say that the 4.9 is better light to light, whay if the lights are a 1/4 mile apart?
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If its humid outside, there is more water in the air. More water, less O2 in the cylinders, less performance.
Thast why I love Racing in the fall here in Michigan. Last time at the track it was around 40 Degrees, nice cold dense air and shedding the weight of my aftermarket rims I dropped .5 (yes half a sec) off of my normal ET.
I don't doubt that a bit. I have seen as much as a .8 second decrease in ET racing in 40-50 degree weather then in 80-90 degree weather. No matter if it was the 2.8, NA3800, or the SC3800.
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crzyone Member
Posts: 3571 From: Alberta, Canada Registered: Dec 2000
I asked these questions earlier and was hoping for answers by now but none sofar. So I'll repeat my questions and hope you guys answer.
Questions I would like to have answered, particularly by those that have posted in this thread.
1. How many of you have ever taken your Fiero to the dragstrip and raced it? 2. What if the person considering the 4.9 vs. 3800 swap never intend to take it to the strip but wants it for everyday driving only. 3. What if that person loves the sound of a V-8 and the off the line power of it and only wants to kick azz light to light during their daily drives? 4. What if that person is not mechanically inclined and wants the reliability of a natually aspirated motor without worrying about supercharger failure and maintenance? 5. What if the owner wants a automatic trans and a engine that provides instant power off idle? 6.Conversly, what if that person loves the dragstrip and sound of a supercharger whining along with greater top speed?
This is a quote from Stimpy, a few of you might know him
1. I've never taken my car to a quarter mile strip. 2. Probably never will. My car is, and has been for the past 7 years, a daily driven SC3800 swap. 3. Whatever. I'll put the sound of my exhaust (WCF headers and Spintech muffler) next to any V8. I won't be embarassed. As far as "kicking azz" in stop light runs, the only thing that's stomped me has been a worked over WRX STi, and the Caddy ain't gonna help you with that one. 4. I'm the guy who takes my car to WalMart for my oil changes. Reliability? I have 70,000 miles on my swap. That's 70,000 daily driven miles put on the car after the swap was completed. There's nothing wrong with the supercharger design that will cause failure on a factory stock configuration. The 3800 engine is legendary for lasting hundereds of thousands of miles if properly maintained. 5. 4T65HD. Bone stock configuration that originally came bolted to engine. Will run at 80 mph at 2200 rpm all day long. Anytime I dip the pedal, it goes. There's no "spooling up" of boost. Why is an automatic going to behave better behind the 4.x then the L67? 6. Well, then I'm already set then, aren't I?
Thanks for the post but I'm really looking for answers from people that posted in this thread, and we all know Stimpy did not and has left the building.
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crzyone Member
Posts: 3571 From: Alberta, Canada Registered: Dec 2000
Thanks for the post but I'm really looking for answers from people that posted in this thread, and we all know Stimpy did not and has left the building.
First off, I wasn't aware that this particular thread was closed to the public. Since when do we exclude 99+% of PFF in a thread? This isn't your personal sandbox... learn to share and play well with others.
Second, we all know Stimpy has not personally posted here and we all know why. There seems to be a back door exit where people are quietly led away. Pretty much 'backdoor' politics, but its not my forum so who am I to judge? Yea, I don't know everything that went on but I'm not one that picks at straws either. Sweat the petty things or pet the.... I'm sure you know the rest.
Back to my first comment, apparently you're not concerned in the least about anything I would have to offer to this thread, being the owner of a 5.7l carbed/THD125 w/shiftkit and HD converter, a competition modded 3800SC/4.10 4spd w/LSD, a 3.1Turbo/THD125 w/shiftkit, or my daily driver 87 duke that ran MIS in 4th gear at a tick over 100mph @ 5200rpm consistantly, then taken on a cross-country cruise from MI to CA and back, through TX, @ 35+ mpg without a hitch, not to mention the 5.7l TPI/Getrag I just sold. I owned 15 Fieros and its now down to 9, including parts cars. Because I haven't posted in this thread as of yet, I am nothing? Thank You, noob... and welcome to the forum.
First off, I wasn't aware that this particular thread was closed to the public. Since when do we exclude 99+% of PFF in a thread? This isn't your personal sandbox... learn to share and play well with others.
Second, we all know Stimpy has not personally posted here and we all know why. There seems to be a back door exit where people are quietly led away. Pretty much 'backdoor' politics, but its not my forum so who am I to judge? Yea, I don't know everything that went on but I'm not one that picks at straws either. Sweat the petty things or pet the.... I'm sure you know the rest.
Back to my first comment, apparently you're not concerned in the least about anything I would have to offer to this thread, being the owner of a 5.7l carbed/THD125 w/shiftkit and HD converter, a competition modded 3800SC/4.10 4spd w/LSD, a 3.1Turbo/THD125 w/shiftkit, or my daily driver 87 duke that ran MIS in 4th gear at a tick over 100mph @ 5200rpm consistantly, then taken on a cross-country cruise from MI to CA and back, through TX, @ 35+ mpg without a hitch, not to mention the 5.7l TPI/Getrag I just sold. I owned 15 Fieros and its now down to 9, including parts cars. Because I haven't posted in this thread as of yet, I am nothing? Thank You, noob... and welcome to the forum.
I'm a little baffled by your post. You when out of your way to list your qualifiers to answer my questions but you failed to address any of them. Moreover, I never said only those that already posted could answer my questions. I simply stated a preference for the people I most wanted to answer them. Its not written in stone, just a preference. Funny thing is, the only original poster to answer was Capt Fiero a 49er.
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Raydar Member
Posts: 41477 From: Carrollton GA. Out in the... country. Registered: Oct 1999
Originally posted by mcaanda: LOL....I think that this is what you were looking for.
Priceless!!! <right click - save as>
Jayzuss, people. This is like arguing about which is the best flavor of ice cream. (Some of us even prefer "vanilla".) They're all good. Just different.
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SOULCRUSHER Member
Posts: 1012 From: Waldorf, MD Registered: May 2004
I asked these questions earlier and was hoping for answers by now but none sofar. So I'll repeat my questions and hope you guys answer.
Questions I would like to have answered, particularly by those that have posted in this thread.
1. How many of you have ever taken your Fiero to the dragstrip and raced it? 2. What if the person considering the 4.9 vs. 3800 swap never intend to take it to the strip but wants it for everyday driving only. 3. What if that person loves the sound of a V-8 and the off the line power of it and only wants to kick azz light to light during their daily drives? 4. What if that person is not mechanically inclined and wants the reliability of a natually aspirated motor without worrying about supercharger failure and maintenance? 5. What if the owner wants a automatic trans and a engine that provides instant power off idle? 6.Conversly, what if that person loves the dragstrip and sound of a supercharger whining along with greater top speed?
To be honest, I didn't answer your questions because they do not make much sense. Alot of What if questions, how do answer those?? So i will try to satisfy your ego by answering your questions.
1. Take mine almost every Friday, in fact I went and raced it last nite. Lildevil ran his as well and ran a 12.26@109mph. I will post pics when I get a chance. 2.Both engines will do as daily drivers. I am guessing the 4.9 may be better suited to it unless you get a nice quite exhaust on the SC3800. It tends to be loud unless you use the proper mufflers. I have always said the SC3800 is the "Heavy Metal" swap. 3. You can get a V8 sound out of a SC3800 with the right muffler. Mine has a cam and Flowmaster 80. It is confused as a V8 sometimes. BUt if you want a V8 sound the 4.9 wins, its a V8. But is you want to win stoplight to stoplight, the Sc3800 is the way to go. And the SC3800 has PLENTY of off the line power. Its instant. Mine has so much now that I can't floor it off the line on the street or the track without spinning. I dynoed mine when it had the 1.9 rockers and a 3.25 pulley. Thats it as far as mods. It put down 247HP/316 LBft of torque at the wheels. That is under 500 dollars in mods that bolt right up. The thing that gets me about this stop light to stop light business is that a 4.9 will not win a race against a EVO, WRX STi, Blown Mustang Cobra, the NEW Mustang GT, or Corvette. A stock SC3800 won't either, BUT you slap on a 3.4 pulley and rockers it will. BTW, a NEW Mustang GT with auto ran a 13.39@104 mph last nite. Stock. The 4.9 isn't able to keep up with the new cars coming out with out SERIOUS mods. The SC3800 can and will beat these cars with simple mods that don't require removing the engine. Intercooler, pulley swap, PCM, rockers, enlarged Throttle body, headers, bigger injectors, etc. etc. If the motor is out throw in a cam damn it! 4. This question answers itself. But the SC3800 is modern and easy to maintain. As with any motor, maintenance is necessary. 5. In my opinion an auto is a must with the SC3800. And you get all the power you need off the line AND in the higher RPMS. Why have a motor that runs outta breath? 6. SC3800. This question also answers itself.
To be honest, I didn't answer your questions because they do not make much sense. Alot of What if questions, how do answer those?? So i will try to satisfy your ego by answering your questions.
1. Take mine almost every Friday, in fact I went and raced it last nite. Lildevil ran his as well and ran a 12.26@109mph. I will post pics when I get a chance. 2.Both engines will do as daily drivers. I am guessing the 4.9 may be better suited to it unless you get a nice quite exhaust on the SC3800. It tends to be loud unless you use the proper mufflers. I have always said the SC3800 is the "Heavy Metal" swap. 3. You can get a V8 sound out of a SC3800 with the right muffler. Mine has a cam and Flowmaster 80. It is confused as a V8 sometimes. BUt if you want a V8 sound the 4.9 wins, its a V8. But is you want to win stoplight to stoplight, the Sc3800 is the way to go. And the SC3800 has PLENTY of off the line power. Its instant. Mine has so much now that I can't floor it off the line on the street or the track without spinning. I dynoed mine when it had the 1.9 rockers and a 3.25 pulley. Thats it as far as mods. It put down 247HP/316 LBft of torque at the wheels. That is under 500 dollars in mods that bolt right up. The thing that gets me about this stop light to stop light business is that a 4.9 will not win a race against a EVO, WRX STi, Blown Mustang Cobra, the NEW Mustang GT, or Corvette. A stock SC3800 won't either, BUT you slap on a 3.4 pulley and rockers it will. BTW, a NEW Mustang GT with auto ran a 13.39@104 mph last nite. Stock. The 4.9 isn't able to keep up with the new cars coming out with out SERIOUS mods. The SC3800 can and will beat these cars with simple mods that don't require removing the engine. Intercooler, pulley swap, PCM, rockers, enlarged Throttle body, headers, bigger injectors, etc. etc. If the motor is out throw in a cam damn it! 4. This question answers itself. But the SC3800 is modern and easy to maintain. As with any motor, maintenance is necessary. 5. In my opinion an auto is a must with the SC3800. And you get all the power you need off the line AND in the higher RPMS. Why have a motor that runs outta breath? 6. SC3800. This question also answers itself.
Thanks SoulCrusher, very good post and yes I am well aware of you and your brother Lil Devil's exploits. For sure you two have very fast cars. However, one of the points I'm trying to make is the 4.9 is not the uselss POS that some are claiming it is. Will it outrun a 3800SC? No but there is always someone faster, you racing your brother are a prime example.
Bottom line swap what you want and enjoy your Fiero. And even though you might get beat by a EVO, WRX STi, Blown Mustang Cobra, the NEW Mustang GT or Corvette all of them are a dime a dozen and are nowhere near as cool as the Fiero with the possible exception of the Corvette and even that's debatable.
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It easy to get time slips.
