WOW…… what a thread…… Just an update on my observations today. My check engine light came on, so I gave the Fiero Shop a call at noon to see if they had any time to take a look a my car. George said bring it on in after work and we’ll take a look. I come driving up to the shop at 4:15, there are three cars being worked on, by three different mechanics. They open a bay for my car, and I drive in. George puts the meter on, and comes up with some code. (Can you tell that I don’t have a clue how to fix my own car?) George says I need some sort of thingamabob, but he is out of them at the moment. Terry comes on over, and says he has a box of used ones he has pulled off of parts cars. Terry then put the used part on my car and tells me to give it a try. We fire up old Thunder, and “no” check engine light. Then George notices my trunk/hood is out of alignment, and has me (you know, the guy that is mechanically challenged) pull the grills/vents so he can align the Trunk/Hood. (He still thinks he can make a mechanic out of me) I figure I’m on a roll, so I ask George if he can take a look at my fuel tank cover because it has never opened by pulling the lever. He takes one look and says I’m missing the spring. He goes out to a parts car, pulls the part and puts it on mine. Works like a charm now. I can think of no other place, where I would get my car looked at on such short notice, plus get all the extras. I just hope George can keep the doors open. BTW I did take a look at the business license on the wall in the office. You know what, the seal is black, and you can’t see the word VOID at all. I even held it up to the light. I also didn’t see any whiteout either. I drove the 40 miles home, and no check engine light. I’d say, “it’s fixed”
Later Robert
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Toddster Member
Posts: 20871 From: Roswell, Georgia Registered: May 2001
Originally posted by Robert: I did take a look at the business license on the wall in the office. You know what, the seal is black, and you can’t see the word VOID at all. I even held it up to the light. I also didn’t see any whiteout either.
I'm glad to hear that you got out alive Robert but you still don't seem to understand. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT GEORGE HAS HANGING ON THE WALL!!
CALL Sacramento. THEY are the final word on who IS and who is NOT licensed. George's wall license is simply a fake. It has to be since The Bureau of Automotive Repair says it is...Geez, what does it take? Do I need to post a letter from the Governor?
I repeat, call them on 1-916-255-3145. NO LICENSE! Period. End of topic!
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Robert Member
Posts: 433 From: One gallon East of San Francisco Registered: May 99
I, for one, am glad to see Archie and George staying out of this at this point. Hopefully, they are working together behind the scenes to fix Archie's problem....
Ahhhhhh? Not trying to start anything here as I have been following this thread very closely....whats your point?
Because nobody else seems to care except you.
George and Archie, I hope you are working this out behind the scenes and that it is going better then what it is here and your coming to some resolve on this matter as "successful" business men within your respective fields.
"In a successful compromise, there are no winners. Only loosers. Everyone walks away from the table knowing that they were all equally willing to lose something within the negotiation process in order to reach a successful compromise."
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fierobaby Member
Posts: 4019 From: Niles, Ohio, USA Registered: Jun 2001
heres a novel thought! the man fixes your broken cars correct!? well then who gives a darn if hes licenced or not! he obliviously knows what hes doing. personally if he fixed my car and did it well I wouldn't care
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Toddster Member
Posts: 20871 From: Roswell, Georgia Registered: May 2001
Originally posted by JSocha: George and Archie, I hope you are working this out behind the scenes..
What thread have you been reading? Go back and read the original post by George. He flamed me, that is why I care. Don't people around here read posts before responding to them? What does Archie have to do with it?
And if Archie's problem matters to you why not bother reading Archie's posts in his technical thread? It has NOT been worked out and won't be. Archie has accepted the fact that he will never get his money back and said he is going to "hang George's cluth on his wall" as a warning to everyone entering his shop. There is no resolution there. none. So what thread are you reading?
Fierobaby, George does NOT do a good job. THAT is the point. He has two or three loyal customers and a 100 victims, Archie just happens to be one of them. I know a dozen others personally. Why don't youcare about them? I had to loan Tony a car because George had it for 6 months...for a simple clutch job! If anyone would bother to do what I did and call the Bureau of Auto Repair you would discover the complaints filed against him. The Man is dangerous. Just why do you think the State of California revoked his license in the first place??? Did you think of that?
What's worse is that you people have the means of resolving the question for yourselves by SIMPLY calling and confirming what I have said, yet you insist of listening to George's handful of cronies.
FINE, send your cars to George. Don't listen to the people who have actually been hurt by him but listen only to the two or three posters who think he is God. And when your car stays at his shop for 6 months don't ***** about it on this forum. You were all well and truly warned.
I've just tried to be of help. I give up.
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JSocha Member
Posts: 3522 From: Felton, MN, USA Registered: Apr 2001
Todd, I'm not here to fight with you and/or flame you. So I ask that please read carefully as I am giving you some feed back from my observations only and not taking sides.
I believe you need to take a shot of your own medicine of "ADVISE" regarding:
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What thread have you been reading? Go back and read the original post by George. He flamed me, that is why I care. Don't people around here read posts before responding to them? What does Archie have to do with it?
I have been reading this post (as well as many other posts) and I am still following the action closely.
I also understand, yes, you were brought into it by George (not Archie), however, you are also not getting anywhere with your posts and to add insult to your injuries, you are loosing credibility fast not only with me, but perhaps with your audiance.
I have as well as nobody else really seems to really care about this licencing issue as you keep bringing it up and as several people have clearly stated and pointed out to you. I understand, yes, it does matter and is a deep concern to you, which is okay. You know where it stands and if others want to check it out they will as you have given them the numbers to do so.
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And if Archie's problem matters to you why not bother reading Archie's posts in his technical thread? It has NOT been worked out and won't be. Archie has accepted the fact that he will never get his money back and said he is going to "hang George's cluth on his wall" as a warning to everyone entering his shop. There is no resolution there. none. So what thread are you reading?
That is between Archie and George to work out, as businessman. If they can not, Archie has other means legally to which he can pursue if he wishes. I also feel, tgowens has done a lot of damage here, imo, for responding for the Fieroshop and has not helped the situation out. But that is between George and Tgowens and of course between tgowens and yourself which should be done, again imo, between you and he, face to face.
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Fierobaby, George does NOT do a good job. THAT is the point. He has two or three loyal customers and a 100 victims, Archie just happens to be one of them. I know a dozen others personally. Why don't youcare about them? I had to loan Tony a car because George had it for 6 months...for a simple clutch job! If anyone would bother to do what I did and call the Bureau of Auto Repair you would discover the complaints filed against him. The Man is dangerous. Just why do you think the State of California revoked his license in the first place??? Did you think of that?
What's worse is that you people have the means of resolving the question for yourselves by SIMPLY calling and confirming what I have said, yet you insist of listening to George's handful of cronies.
FINE, send your cars to George. Don't listen to the people who have actually been hurt by him but listen only to the two or three posters who think he is God. And when your car stays at his shop for 6 months don't ***** about it on this forum. You were all well and truly warned.
I've just tried to be of help. I give up.
I'm just going to summarize here at this point. I feel you have more then outright anger and hostility. I also feel, you are venting it here and who ever clashes with you better watch out, including myself. I have nothing to gain by this post in so doing.
Again, I'm not siding with anybody personally, you, tgowens, Archie, George, Robin or the other posters as I do not know them one on one like you do some of them.
I feel they have all made mistakes. Its to what extent that they continue making them that will determine the outcome of this situation and their credibility.
As far as whether or not I would use the Fiero Shop? No for the obvious reason of my geographic location unless they have the part I am looking for, reasonably priced that I can not find any place else to which they can ship. Same goes with Archie.
But if I had problems with them business wise, I certainly would not be here trying to resolve it.
I would be on the phone each and every day until it was and/or they were so sick of me to get me off their backs.
And if that didn't work, I proceed with step two and report them first to the Better Business Burea in their state so a complaint was on record including taking legal steps thereafter, including the recovery of all legal fees.
They may or may not take the lesser of two evils at the time and take it as an idle threat, but when it comes down to the legal papers being presented that a complaint was made, they are certainly going to want to settle out of court very quickly.
Again Todd, I have nothing against you. I do still believe you are loosing your credibility with the audiance with your constant attacks, language, insults, etc. and I will stop there as I do not want to or believe I need to insult you to get the point across.
This is coming from somebody sitting about 1,500+ miles from you with his observation, so you must be relaying something, if not to me, but others as well. Is the message you are relaying, POSITIVE or NEGATIVE is what you need to ask yourself based on how people are responding to you from a neutral point of view.
I sincerely wish you the best of luck with the problems you may or may have had with the Fiero Shop, George and/or tgowens.
I also sincerely wish that Archie and George are able to settle their differences so that POSITIVE statements can be made so that other Fiero owners will feel comfortable with whoever they need to deal with.
GEORGE, if you are reading this and had been in the hospital sick while this was (or even was not) transpiring, I wish you a speedy recovery and resolve to this "business" issue.
ARCHIE, I hope all works out so that you do not have to hang the "bad clutch" on your wall.
Just my thoughts...
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fieroshop Member
Posts: 648 From: Palm Harbor, FL. Registered: Jun 99
The issue of the license has been resolved. It came to my attention that the license was suspended, not because of anything that had to do with this shop but because of a personal issue. The proper release has been faxed to the right department and all is well.
Now I will say again that licensed or unlicensed a person with mechanical knowledge of a specific product (in this case a Fiero) is more than capable of working on it. I know that I have over 200 customers, most of which return for repairs. We do everything from simple repair to complete restorations and as of now, are the only shop in the northwest that do these things. If being licensed or unlicensed makes a difference to you then that is your choice.
I have spoken to my attorney about the things that have been said on here about me and my shop and have furnished him with copies of these posts. I am prepared to take action against anyone who makes such an attempt to damage my business or reputation as one poster here has.
I am speaking to Robin about the clutch issue today in hopes that the issue can be resolved once and for all.
I will not post on this again and anyone wishing to speak to me personally can call me at 866-534-8486.
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Toddster Member
Posts: 20871 From: Roswell, Georgia Registered: May 2001
We are, if not myself, glad to here that FIEROSHOP.
Hope by these actions you are able to resolve this matter once and for all and make the appropriate ammends that are apprently much needed between you and Archie.
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tgowens Member
Posts: 2496 From: Somewhere in my Fiero, of course! Registered: Apr 2000
Jeff, thank you for your remarks. If I have done damage here it was not because I was speaking for the Fiero Shop. I was simply tired of the bad-mouthing and backstabbing that was going on. I speak for myself and myself only and I will defend my credibility and integrity til death. There was a lot said which was, and still is, very inaccurate and that is what I, personally, was defending.
Again, I appreciate your remarks and your attitude. After all, attitude is the way we react to things. I will admit that my attitude was not at my best but it was being helped along..........
The business issues of the shop are George's to handle. I just don't see the need for an individual to attack anyone who doesn't agree with his way of thinking as was evident here.
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Toddster Member
Posts: 20871 From: Roswell, Georgia Registered: May 2001
I'm satisfied that my point has been made but I wanted to address some of your points as a courtesy (I AM reading your posts):
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Originally posted by JSocha: I feel you have more then outright anger and hostility. I also feel, you are venting it here and who ever clashes with you better watch out, including myself. I have nothing to gain by this post in so doing.
Nobody has anything to fear from me. I don't argue over differences of opinon but matters of fact. If TGowens comes here and jumps up and down yelling that The Fieroshop is legally licensed, thus disputing mystatements to contrary, and the UNDISPUTED fact is that they are not, it is like saying that black is white. I would normally let that statement stand, or fall rather, on it's own merits except that Terry, either by ignorance or willful deception, posted a copy of a license to dispute an obvious fact as a means of simply discrediting me; no other reason! I don't know whether he scanned it in off the web and alterned the info, I don't know if it is an old license that George was passing off as current, I have no idea if Terry really did not know, and didn't want to know, tthe truth. I'll walk away from any arguement I feel is irrelevant. My credibility is not.
Again, I'm not siding with anybody personally, you, tgowens, Archie, George, Robin or the other posters as I do not know them one on one like you do some of them.
I feel they have all made mistakes. Its to what extent that they continue making them that will determine the outcome of this situation and their credibility.
To me credibility is simply a matter of one thing. Standing by your word and backing up your statements with fact. Motive is irrelevant. If you think I'm out to get George then I regret that perception. I clearly failed to deliniate the attempt to make my point from some sort of "sour grapes" personal attack.
But if I had problems with them business wise, I certainly would not be here trying to resolve it.
Neither would I. And based on Archie's original post neither did he. He tried to get resolution to his problem and when George stop returning his calls he asked the forum for opinions, experiences, and relevant info. I provided it. Them George and his inner circle took offense to my simple factual statements...nothing personal...just facts. I mentioned that George was unlicensed, uninsured, etc. I mentioned my own experiences with his clutches and repair services. I was then attacked here by George and then Terry. They made it personal.
You might say, "fine Todd walk away". OK, perhaps that would have been the smart move. But when someone starts saying black is white I have two issues to be concerned about, if I leave the thread alone, what additional crap are they going to say about me and what impact will that have on the forum? I care about that. Also, what attempts to redeem themselves will be made at my expense, or that of Archie, or DXR-DAD, or Tony, or anyone else who has had a negative experience with George? ESPECIALLY, when, after reading some of the posts here, some of these people are fairly easily persuaded by George and Terry.
I proceed with step two and report them first to the Better Business Burea in their state so a complaint was on record including taking legal steps thereafter, including the recovery of all legal fees.
I hope Archie considers that. Apparently, others already have. Hence, the license suspension.
Again Todd, I have nothing against you. I do still believe you are loosing your credibility with the audiance with your constant attacks, language, insults, etc. and I will stop there as I do not want to or believe I need to insult you to get the point across.
I never made personal attacks. Again, if you read my posts you will see that ALL I wrote were facts. (ie, I SAW THIS HAPPEN..., I CALLED THE BUREAU AND THIS IS WHAT THEY SAID...etc) nothing but facts. I'm sorry if they seemed "personal" but they were not. I never once called George or Terry a single name. Facts may be unpleasant but facts are facts. And RELEVANT facts are even more important.
I sincerely wish you the best of luck with the problems you may or may have had with the Fiero Shop, George and/or tgowens.
Appreciated.
I also sincerely wish that Archie and George are able to settle their differences so that POSITIVE statements can be made so that other Fiero owners will feel comfortable with whoever they need to deal with.
Based on my 5 years of knowing George, I find it highly unlikely. BUT, I will be the first to say, "Good show George" if he manages to return Archie's calls and settle the matter, fix his license, etc.
I've said it three times already; I BELEIVE in the idea of having a Fiero Shop nearby. But I want one that I can recommend to people with confidence. At the moment I am helping a local guy build a great business in Fiero repairs because he has 40 Mechanics certificates on the wall, he has yet to screw-up anyone's car I know, he has a clean well organized shop, he is fully insured and bonded, and he hasn't got one single BBB complaint in 15 years of service!
When George comes up to that level, I'll recommend him too, not before; nothing personal. It's strictly business. If George wants to take it personally then that's his perogitive. But presumably he won't take my name in vein again.
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tgowens Member
Posts: 2496 From: Somewhere in my Fiero, of course! Registered: Apr 2000
Todd, I take exception to the things you have said for several reasons. 1. they are not entirely accurate, 2. you are biased (and that is obvious), you insist on blasting away at anyone and everyone who does not agree with you (in spite of the fact that there have been several come on here to correct inaccuracies), and, because you personally attacked my integrity and credibility.
You say that "I never made personal attacks." - I beg to differ..........
I, too posted what I knew when I knew it - thus being accurate and factual as I knew it - you are so hung up on the license issue that you can't seem to grasp the fact that a man came on here to apologize for what he felt he should apologize for - and, that is a lot more than some people ever do. I posted the actual license from the wall and your insinuations of "bogus", "white-out", blue seals", "scanned off the web", "altered info", "willful deception", "ignorance" etc. are personal attacks on my integrity and you can darn well bet that I will fight to defend it! YOU don't personally attack anyone? I beg to differ!!!
Now, you obviously can't read as George posted above that the license was not suspended because of anything that had to do with this shop but because of a personal issue. As I have found out, as if it is your concern, the license was suspended due to a release form that was needed based on a child support issue. I read the letter from the State (and ya know what? it even had a black seal instead of a blue one!)
You can campaign if you want and I am sorry that I have become a part of this. It is simply not worth it. You have made your points here and everyone has seen them. Not that anyone has to agree with them nor that I have to agree with them.......I am neither ignorant nor deceptive and for you to say so in an attempt to malign my credibility has just stepped out of bounds. That is a personal attack and I do not take attacks of such nature lightly. You are so concerned about the "legality" of operating a shop you should be equally concerned of the "legality" of your statements against others.......
You also said, "But when someone starts saying black is white I have two issues to be concerned about, if I leave the thread alone, what additional crap are they going to say about me and what impact will that have on the forum? I care about that." - That's why you came on here in the first place, it's all about you -- by your own admission, you found this site because someone told you about George on here......well, I guess you served your own purpose......No, you might not have called George or me names but that is the only thing you didn't do......you attacked credibility, character, integrity and everything else you could attack just to impress others with your "facts" - just remember Todd, things are not always as they appear to be.
That is enough on this subject... (although I just know you will want the final word.....)
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Jun 20th, 2001
Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
OK, I'm not gonna take sides here, except for one thing:
Todd, chill. Everything you say may indeed be true. But your ranting is killing your credibility, IMO. I know you probably don't care what my opinion is, but I think you're beating a dead horse at this point.
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Songman Member
Posts: 12496 From: Nashville, TN Registered: Aug 2000
Originally posted by Toddster: The Man is dangerous. Just why do you think the State of California revoked his license in the first place??? Did you think of that?
(This is Fierobear, I can't use my nickname right now because I created this one for my club)
Do you know for a fact why his license isn't current? I do. It has nothing to do with any complaints about repairs, inspections, unpaid fees, etc. It is totally unrelated to car repair, period. I know the reason, I've seen it IN WRITING.
I saw the license today. It's not a fake, forgery, copy, white out or alteration. He has a license, there is a weird reason it is not current, I know the reason and you are way off target.
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JSocha Member
Posts: 3522 From: Felton, MN, USA Registered: Apr 2001
I love this thread!! I've been reading it since it was under the "toss up question" thread! Usually when an argument is this heated i'm in the trenches too but this time nobodies yelling at me!! I do have my own opinion about this but i'm not getting into this.......yet! C'mon 400 posts!!
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Steve Normington Member
Posts: 7663 From: Mesa, AZ, USA Registered: Apr 2001
Originally posted by Dave Gunsul: I love this thread!! I've been reading it since it was under the "toss up question" thread! Usually when an argument is this heated i'm in the trenches too but this time nobodies yelling at me!! I do have my own opinion about this but i'm not getting into this.......yet! C'mon 400 posts!!
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Fiero5 Member
Posts: 8882 From: Arecibo, PR Registered: Jun 2000
Originally posted by Formula88: Must....kill....dead....horse....
LMAO...
John, They suspended his license for personal reasons? I didn't know they could legally do that. I'll be sure to use deodorant next time I apply for a license.
And, just in case anyone hasn't noticed, I have grown tired of trying to point out that snow is white.
Have fun kiddies.
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stsmithgt Member
Posts: 1351 From: Fair Oaks, CA Registered: Aug 99
I called him and he said that he would call you. I asked the next day if he had called you and he said there was no answer the three times he said he called. Your turn to call him and as of now I did my part so the rest is up to you. I will not interfere in this matter again. If you cannot or will not call him, then it is and will be your problem. ------------------
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Jul 7th, 2001
Archie Member
Posts: 9436 From: Las Vegas, NV Registered: Dec 1999
Originally posted by fieroshop: I called him and he said that he would call you. I asked the next day if he had called you and he said there was no answer the three times he said he called. Your turn to call him and as of now I did my part so the rest is up to you. I will not interfere in this matter again. If you cannot or will not call him, then it is and will be your problem.
Hmmmmm.... no messages on my home Voice mail or my shop Voice mail & no response from him to the EMails I've sent him.
Yes, I know, it has been my problem everysince you refused to honor your Warrantees and Guarantees.
Looks like I'll just have to keep your POS "Fiero Shop Exclusive" clutch hanging on my office wall.
You may want to get used to seeing it everytiime you post to this forum. I have several pictures of it from different angles for your entertainment.
Archie
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West Coast Fiero Member
Posts: 2044 From: Los Angeles, CA, USA Registered: Jun 2001
in all honesty, thats pretty goddamn low-brow Archie, just go out to the CFOG show on the 13th through the 15th of this month and deal with it as you have given us the impression that you will, hold nothing against me - Im simply stating the obvious
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Archie Member
Posts: 9436 From: Las Vegas, NV Registered: Dec 1999
Originally posted by West Coast Fiero: just go out to the CFOG show on the 13th through the 15th of this month and deal with it
Yeah, why didn't I think of that. I should buy an airplane ticket and waste my weekend to go out there to try to get him to honor his word & Warrantee. Is that how it's supposed to work? The consumer is supposed to travel to the suppliers place to try to get him to honor his word?
Your just so smart..... it is such a great idea..... maybe you should suggest to George that he should fly out here to explain why he won't honor his word.
I don't know much about this argument but don't try to give the guy's business a bad name, if you had a problem with him or something he's done deal with it in person or over the phone,there's no sense on bringing other's into it this is how fight's start..
im done goodbye!
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JSocha Member
Posts: 3522 From: Felton, MN, USA Registered: Apr 2001
Archie, if George (FieroShop) is saying he called Robin (insert his company here) and Robin in turn is saying he called you, why not contact the Better Business Bureau or Small Business Bureau within their respective areas/states and report them (as needed, either FieroShop and/or Robin's place of business) since you know the whole story and all the facts behind the scenes to this issue that we neither need to know nor do we wish to know.
Its free (other then the phone call if LD and not Toll Free) and they can supeonea the phone records of both individuals for the time frame in question to check if they did make an attempt to call in their investigations and to see if they are conducting their businesses accordingly so as not to defraud you or other end consumers if a complaint is filed. A little heat on the backside may stir up the pot enough to get a refund including the trouble you have had to endure.
Our company has had to do it in the past to get results from our vendors who wouldn't honor their product and/or warranties/guarantees. They tend to move faster when Big Brother gets involved to get them off their backs.
Another suggestion, is to get you and George on the phone and do a conference call to Robin to get this resolved. Then all the cards will be on the table. No he said/they said.
Archie? George? Do you think a conference call with Robin could be initiated and arranged between you three, even if Robin is unaware that such a call is going to ensue?
Also, don't know what position Robin has, however, if he is not the top dog at the company, may have to go over his head directly to his boss and let him know what is going on.
Again, we had a saleman from one of our vendors come in to which we were having problems with shipments, deliveries and failures. Always went back saying that he would bring the information back and get it rectified. Never happened. Same lip service all the time. Finally, we called the vendor and asked for the CEO because it was effecting our production and loosing us customers because we could not make delivery schedules for our customers.
CEO was unaware of it (so he said) and did not realize there was a problem going on. Salesman was fired and we have never had a problem with them since.
George, if you contacted Robin and he said he "tried" to call Archie (but may not have as it is hard to determine), he is only assisting in the destruction and reputation of your business. Not only with Archie, but possibly with other forum members.
BTW, can Robin recite Archie's message on the answering machine?
IMHO, anyone in my book that says "try" isn't going to or hasn't done so.
One either "does" or "does not". No in between.
If you need a ride to the airport and call a friend to give you a lift and state you have to be there by 9AM and they respond "I'll try and be there", you may as well call yourself a taxi or take the bus. I'm sure you know what I mean.
NO FLAMES PLEASE and/or INTENDED. You guys need to obviously get this resolved and I, if not the others, would like to see this thread head for the "deadsville" pile if at all possible and quickly.
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Oreif Member
Posts: 16460 From: Schaumburg, IL Registered: Jan 2000
Now that is a great idea JSocha! The conference call would be one easy way to get this settled. That way all interested parties are there and nobody could pull the "he said, he tried, it's your turn" garbage. George could call Robin then call Archie at a pre-determined time arranged by all. That way everyone is there. George could call Robin on Monday and arrange for Robin to be by the phone at 11am (PST)on Tuesday. Then Archie could be at his shop phone on Tuesday at 1pm (CST). Then all of us here could see this be settled by Tuesday afternoon.
So is it a plan?
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fieroshop Member
Posts: 648 From: Palm Harbor, FL. Registered: Jun 99
I will say this one final time and and time only. Archie is trying to have me do all the work for him. The warranty on this clutch, (just like other warranties on other items is the manufacturers warranty)was made not by me, but by Robin. Archie thinks I am to re-emburse him his money, I will not and I will not get in between Archie and Robin again. This is his problem as of now, and his alone and Robins. Robin talk to me and said for me not to get involved. Archie is lazy and does not want to talk to Robin and I sure am no gopher for him. Enough said. I will not read this post any more nor answer to this post or any post related to this topic. Archie can do what he wants and I could care less. I am tired of this he said they said and this clutch which I did not sell, did not collect money on, did not ship it, did not give Robin the particulars on what or how Archie wanted his clutch and so I am bowing out and am not responsible for this clutch.
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Archie Member
Posts: 9436 From: Las Vegas, NV Registered: Dec 1999
