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3.4L pushrod Swap (lots of pics) by sardonyx247
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Originally posted by FierOmar:


If you count PIP (Projects In Progress), you can add two; one 88 GT that will use a nearly stock 3.4; and an 87 coupe that will use a carb'd 3.4 that will be built close to ORIEF's specs.


Cool 2 more 3.4s about to be on the road.

I should be finishing up another 3.4 swap tonight.
I will have more pics to post of some of the 3.4 swaps I have been doing. I need to get them off another computer and get back to my high speed, dial up sucks.

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Ok so I put the belt on and it seemed to run fine for a little while.
But the second time I tried to start it it had a really hard time turning over. Not sure why.

Now the real problem, the second time I ran the car, it wouldn't cool properly. In fact, the water in the reservoir in the front of the car was boiling. Yes, actually boiling.
So I am going to change the thermostat. But what else could cause this problem? Also how hard is it to change the starter.
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Ok so I put the belt on and it seemed to run fine for a little while.
But the second time I tried to start it it had a really hard time turning over. Not sure why.

Now the real problem, the second time I ran the car, it wouldn't cool properly. In fact, the water in the reservoir in the front of the car was boiling. Yes, actually boiling.
So I am going to change the thermostat. But what else could cause this problem? Also how hard is it to change the starter.



the starter is easy, (after doing one) but you have to get to it from under the car. Hard time starting might be just a low battery. when you fill it, open the thermastat cap and the front rad cap, fill from the back, when water starts to come out the front, cap it. Then fill it up from the back.

Make sure you have the belt tight, as a loose belt won't charge right and won't cool right.
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Ok, great that seemed to solver the problem.

So, considering that the interior of the car is.. missing is a good way to put it. Can I simply remove the sensor that I pointed to in the picture? Is it just for the gauges that I don't have or does it send something to the ECU?

Also thanks for the filling instructions. That solved the problem.
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My 3.4 swap
after several years, time to finish the project.
And a lot of help to read this topic





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My Fiero, did you make those vacuum lines? I know there was one member here using aluminum tube to make them up. Looks good, real good.
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VERY NICE!
Good work and you will like having the engine painetd silver. (easy to find any oil leaks)

When it's done drive over to Dusseldorf and convince Yellowstone to get started on a 3.4 swap
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My Fiero, did you make those vacuum lines? I know there was one member here using aluminum tube to make them up. Looks good, real good.


No I ditn't make those lines, the vacuum lines come from http://www.rodneydickman.com/


 
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VERY NICE!
Good work and you will like having the engine painetd silver. (easy to find any oil leaks)

When it's done drive over to Dusseldorf and convince Yellowstone to get started on a 3.4 swap


First I had the engine painted black, but then I can not see any oil leaks, so I used silver. ( and it is better than black)
If the fiero is ready I drive to Yellowstone!!! I have to try it on the german highway
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Some more photo's of last week





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First, I need to install the Trueleo and the 1:1.6 roller rockers I have lying around... and I'm bringing the parts for the Archie big brake conversion back when I go to the US in 3 weeks. So I'll be busy, don't worry!

My-fiero: Very nice work! When you find the time, update the pix on your website... :-)

 
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When it's done drive over to Dusseldorf and convince Yellowstone to get started on a 3.4 swap


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any one have a price list or total for how much the conversion cost them? I'm hope to do a 3.4 swap just what to know what the necessary parts cost to do the conversion, and do any of the fuel or coolant lines need to be changed?
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I know this is probably a dumb question but should you use the 3.4 heads or 2.8? im assuming the 3.4 is better, and what about the lower intake manifold should you use the 3.4 or 2.8?
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any one have a price list or total for how much the conversion cost them? I'm hope to do a 3.4 swap just what to know what the necessary parts cost to do the conversion, and do any of the fuel or coolant lines need to be changed?


The first time it cost me under $900 including powdercoating, painting etc.
No fuel lines or coolent lines have to be changed.

 
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I know this is probably a dumb question but should you use the 3.4 heads or 2.8? im assuming the 3.4 is better, and what about the lower intake manifold should you use the 3.4 or 2.8?


They are the same heads on both the Fiero 2.8 and the 3.4. They are both the H.O. (High Output) heads.

Reading through my thread would have giving you answers to all your questions.

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Sardonyx,

Man, you are my hero.
I was given a link here, and he was right. This has to be the best 3.4 swap writeup there is. Anyone turbo one yet?
I know about the Bird pulling almost 400 torque, and thats what I'll be looking to as my goal.

+ for you man, great job
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Sardonyx,

Man, you are my hero.
I was given a link here, and he was right. This has to be the best 3.4 swap writeup there is. Anyone turbo one yet?
I know about the Bird pulling almost 400 torque, and thats what I'll be looking to as my goal.

+ for you man, great job


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Anyone turbo one yet?


Yes

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Here are some pics of the swaps we did last summer in Vegas.
The digi camera was not very good quality and I didn't even have access to it except for the later swaps.
But neverless here are some pics.









To go into this Fiero




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Originally posted by DarkRanger4200:

what about the lower intake manifold should you use the 3.4 or 2.8?











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More pics as it was going in




A good way to keep from nicking your intake








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Here is the swap we did for Rich (Vegas Club Pres.)




With some ported manifolds








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To go in this 88GT

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Here are some more misc. pics of the starter holes and A/C bracket needed for the mod.

You can use a pilot hole and then drill from the top, as the top is flat and not at an angle.










You can also test it to see how many shims you might need


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Here is the A/C bracket, I found a bigger bolt and tapped the hole for it.


And drilled out the hole on the bracket.
Before


After


And on the car


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Another 3.4L swap
This GIRL had her Fiero transported from OR down to Vegas so we could do a 3.4 swap in it.






Here is the bottom end of a 3.4L just compare it to a 2.8 and you will see the difference,
Its like comparing a duke to a superduty.
(anyone want to send me a pic of the bottom end of a 2.8 so I can put the pics side by side?)


The pile of parts to go on the 3.4


The engine going in


And in the car


It went into this Fiero


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Those were some of the engine swaps that I was working on this last summer.
I did 7 this last summer counting mine, well 1 was a 2.8 swap.


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So I know these swaps are usually done with engines that have been pulled from old camaros and firebirds.
looking aroudnd I found this:

http://www.rebuiltcarengines.com/ce06.html

would this be the same engine as the one used but it's new and being sold as a replacement for an s10 upgrade. and if not what would it take tp install this engine.
just a question sorry if this was already discussed somewhere else,
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So I know these swaps are usually done with engines that have been pulled from old camaros and firebirds.
looking aroudnd I found this:

http://www.rebuiltcarengines.com/ce06.html

would this be the same engine as the one used but it's new and being sold as a replacement for an s10 upgrade. and if not what would it take tp install this engine.
just a question sorry if this was already discussed somewhere else,
thanks guys


That is the same thing execpt that one looks like it has a bigger cam in it.

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cool thanks that's great news I'll probably be putting a 3.4 in the next year or so...
compliments on this great thread,
very very very informative
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I have alot of pics still to post of the lastest 3.4 that went into MY Fiero. After 3 years and 60,000 miles later. I decided to rebuild mine up as far as I could.
Pics will be posted soon.

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Here are the pics of my build, this time around, I added a few upgrades since last time.

My intake with the powdercoat and polish intact. (a little dusty)


The pile of parts to go back on the engine


My new FORGED pistons


I polished the rod beams for added strengh and lighter weight.


My piston, rod, rings, and pin as a set, all weigh within a gram of each other.


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My ported and polished heads, with a 4 angle valve job.
I ported the intakes, and a mirror polish on the exhaust ports and combustion chambers.











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Carving in oil groves for better oil flow.


The block with new bearings


Assembeld with the new forged pistons




All oil returns are duburred


The bottom end


The 3.1 crank (that is what is used in 3.4Ls)

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My double rollor timing set.
The chain is pre-stretched, so no worry about slack later on.
each link has a rollor on it, so the teeth roll on the chain and are not just sitting on the chain.









A new coat of paint, as the hot tank ate my old paint.






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Looks good! When are we going to see it with the turbo?
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Well, I have finally finished my swap. After starting in March and being side tracked, I finished it this morning. I am extremely happy about this. The best thing is that it started right up on the first try and was pretty much in timing. Although I haven't driven it yet ( Car is at my shop), I will come Monday and will post my experience. I will also post pics. Many thanks to Sardonyx and Randye for all the help.
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Well, I have finally finished my swap. After starting in March and being side tracked, I finished it this morning. I am extremely happy about this. The best thing is that it started right up on the first try and was pretty much in timing. Although I haven't driven it yet ( Car is at my shop), I will come Monday and will post my experience. I will also post pics. Many thanks to Sardonyx and Randye for all the help.


Thats cool you got yours done, another 3.4L Fiero on the road
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My metal vacume lines
You can get the tubbing from a hobby store for less than $10.
There is a thread on this here which gives you basic idea
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...070315-1-061913.html





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