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A Real Mera in Paradise by Fiero-in-Paradise
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Dan,

The original Taiwan Fiero with the special exhaust system was a red GT, and had fallen into a state of disrepair. I had pictures of the original car's system sent to me by one of the guys there. He drove a good distance to get the pictures, but by the time he arrived, the light was going, and the system was hard to see.

Is this the same car, or another one? If the owner installled a turbo, the custom exhaust system would have to have been altered. Can you ask for some pictures (in good light) of this exhaust system taken from the top and bottom of the car?

By the way....... Ownage!!!!!

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This should be good for a few chuckles, this is my get-up for a Halloween party "Waynum Pi" sad to say only about half the people got it, and they were over 40!!!!!

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TOOOOOOOOO funny Wayne..... I would submit that to Fiero Focus "Meet a Member" page!

By the way, I got it and I'm only over 50!

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You know, I think I have that same shirt.... Wayne you should have worn the shorts and boat shoes. More people remember Magnum this way.

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A real likeness!

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You know, I think I have that same shirt.... Wayne you should have worn the shorts and boat shoes. More people remember Magnum this way.



As for Magnums "short-shorts" I think those were stolen from a middle school girl's basket ball team! No man should be able to wear those, I know I can't !

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Dan,

The original Taiwan Fiero with the special exhaust system was a red GT, and had fallen into a state of disrepair. I had pictures of the original car's system sent to me by one of the guys there. He drove a good distance to get the pictures, but by the time he arrived, the light was going, and the system was hard to see.

Is this the same car, or another one? If the owner installled a turbo, the custom exhaust system would have to have been altered. Can you ask for some pictures (in good light) of this exhaust system taken from the top and bottom of the car?

By the way....... Ownage!!!!!



hahaha you guys and the Magnum Thing......i am more Burt Reynolds. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=merCBV-3Nr0
so we are of the same ilk, kinda, (Mustach and dark hair).....HOOPER, JJ McLURE, The Bandit......GATOR!!! Showgirls?!?
it must be the MI boy, in me and that purtty Black 1977 TransAM.
Rick-
i think that is the same car. after watching all the vids, he has, i see a yellow paint job and some other little things that make me assume its the same car and i am sure Fieros in Tiawan are far and few between, also.

my guess is he bored to a 3.1 and added the turbo. sounds and looks fast. i like it. a little research into 180 deg headers and i may be able to use my new WCF headers to glom some measurments and replicate something.
i have been thinking about a little purchase of a MIG welder, too as of late
i just need to understand the reason and true definition of what "180 degree" means.

is it as simple as llining up the ports to each other 180* across the eng?? if 1-3 are on the back and 4-6 are in the front.

1 and 4??
2 and 5??
3 and 6??

anybody?? is that how it should go??

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I think you want 1, 5, and 3 to go into one collector, and 4, 2, and 6 into the other.

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http://tw.myblog.yahoo.com/...er/article?mid=10217

Look at the pictures in this link. Make sure you also listen to the exotic sounds this system makes. On our engines cylinder 1/5/3 are on the trunk side and 2/4/6 are on the firewall side.

If I am looking at the picures in this link correctly, cylinders 1 and 5 connect toghether, and cylinder 3 runs under the motor and ties in to the opposite side. I assume another cylinder from the firewall side ties into cylinders 1 and 5.

To me, in order to reproduce that smooth exotic sound, you would need to group cylinders 1/2/3 togeher and then 4/5/6 on the other side. But, that is not what appears to be happening here. Either way the engine puts out a great sound. We need to figure this system out as it would give the Mera an even more Ferrari like sound.

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All this 1 and 4, 2 and 5, 3 and 6 is making me exausted.
Can't you just put spokes in the wheels for the rumble sound?
All seriousness aside...... I mean all joking aside..... My Mera sounds great since I put the new catalitic converter on last year.

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All this 1 and 4, 2 and 5, 3 and 6 is making me exausted.
Can't you just put spokes in the wheels for the rumble sound?
All seriousness aside...... I mean all joking aside..... My Mera sounds great since I put the new catalitic converter on last year.




What's a Cadillac Perverter, and why would you want one?

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What's a Cadillac Perverter, and why would you want one?


It is controlled by the Flux Capacitor....... which is run by the Nuclear Encabulator.

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On our engines cylinder 1/5/3 are on the trunk side and 2/4/6 are on the firewall side.
To me, in order to reproduce that smooth exotic sound, you would need to group cylinders 1/2/3 togeher and then 4/5/6 on the other side.



The first statement is true, and if the engine were mounted fore and aft, the problem would be solved. The right side would be in one collector and the left in the other--the sides would fire alternatively. The firing order in the Fiero is 123456, alternating the firing cylinder from side to side means 1, 3, 5 in one side and 4, 2, 6 in the other, so I disagree with your second statement--respectfully.

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The first statement is true, and if the engine were mounted fore and aft, the problem would be solved. The right side would be in one collector and the left in the other--the sides would fire alternatively. The firing order in the Fiero is 123456, alternating the firing cylinder from side to side means 1, 3, 5 in one side and 4, 2, 6 in the other, so I disagree with your second statement--respectfully.


The second statement was just a guess. I wish the pictures were clearer so we could see exactly what has been done on the Taiwan system, Even if the power were not enhanced, the tuning of the system really gives the 60 degree V6 an even more exotic sound. I think a Mera with that exhaust sound would confuse a lot of people.

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People are confused enough. I love the sound, too, but believe the design would be too messy. OTOH there is a lot of room to the rear of the engine in the Mera, which the Fiero doesn't have.

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Here is an idea I have been pondering. What if someone were to take a spare set of Fiero headers, cut the pipes off leaving just an inch or 2 on the flanges. Then take a bunch of flexible exhaust tubing and several 2 into 1 Y adapters, a bunch of clamps and trying all sorts of different routings and configurations until the desired sound is achieved? You could try all kinds of different and crazy things and switch things around pretty quickly. Once you have a system you like you could just make the whole thing for real out of actual exhaust tubing with the same bends and welded up solid. Waddaya think?

This would allow you to try different kinds of mufflers while you were at it since every thing would be very flexible and easy manipulated to accommodate different muffler types.

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Here is an idea I have been pondering. What if someone were to take a spare set of Fiero headers, cut the pipes off leaving just an inch or 2 on the flanges. Then take a bunch of flexible exhaust tubing and several 2 into 1 Y adapters, a bunch of clamps and trying all sorts of different routings and configurations until the desired sound is achieved? You could try all kinds of different and crazy things and switch things around pretty quickly. Once you have a system you like you could just make the whole thing for real out of actual exhaust tubing with the same bends and welded up solid. Waddaya think?

This would allow you to try different kinds of mufflers while you were at it since every thing would be very flexible and easy manipulated to accommodate different muffler types.



INDEED!! good idea
i have found this to try to understand the methodology of the whole system and am more confused





would it help/hurt to think about using two mufflers and 2 cats?? well the mufflers anyway. eh, Wayne?

i would love and kill me if you will, but i wanna entertain thoughts of "sidepipes" like a Vette or maybe something like a rear tire forward design.

outlets where the cat is now......just free forming throwin it out there.
Anyway, i do have them OEM Mera tail pipes, so i should use them, no??

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this helps....

http://www.flickr.com/photo...7325/in/photostream/

i think its for the V8 but its a start there is 5-6 different angles on a Lambo build.

so dudes....since i sent myself the first 71 pages of this "Paradise" of ours, to my email, i have come to figure i have a search engine of said first 71 pgs. that "Glossary" if you will. punch in one word and Bam..... all the highlights one could ask for.
i tested it by trying my favorite censor...."F-King" in seconds all mentions of the word, searched. way cool. off to test!!!

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i have found this to try to understand the methodology of the whole system and am more confused






Those would be the 180 degree headers. If you have ever seen the videos that I have posted as well as others of the guy in Taiwan with the stock Fiero motor that sounds like a smooth European motor, that is part of the reason why. By having the 2 cylinders on each side crossed over to the other header, it is supposed to smooth out the exhaust pulses. In the case of the 6 cylinder, the center cylinder is the only one that is crossed over while with the V8, the 2 center ones are crossed. Add the right resonator and you get a very nice sound. I do believe that there is a little more tuning that has to be done on the bigger motors to run correctly but for the stock Fiero motor, I think there probably is no extra tuning.

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Those would be the 180 degree headers. If you have ever seen the videos that I have posted as well as others of the guy in Taiwan with the stock Fiero motor that sounds like a smooth European motor, that is part of the reason why. By having the 2 cylinders on each side crossed over to the other header, it is supposed to smooth out the exhaust pulses. In the case of the 6 cylinder, the center cylinder is the only one that is crossed over while with the V8, the 2 center ones are crossed. Add the right resonator and you get a very nice sound. I do believe that there is a little more tuning that has to be done on the bigger motors to run correctly but for the stock Fiero motor, I think there probably is no extra tuning.


.....thats what he said

i have been using the New thread search idea i got and re-found this on page 36 here in "The Paradise."
fun times in the archives, AGAIN!!
since it was 46 degrees in the house this morning it feels like winter so i have been doing the "Winter thing" (archive hunting) already.

http://tw.myblog.yahoo.com/...er/article?mid=10217

 
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You can find the cylinder 1 and 5 merge together first then re connect to cylinder 3. And 37mm size diameter piping is used for the whole exhaust. Just a resonator used. I as far as possible take more pictures. Hope this is helping for all Fiero enthusiasts in US. The wide fenders Kit come from The Fiero Warehouse. Apologies for my poor English.


then there is the Google trick posted in the PFF thread about forum searches......they work real well togeather


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OK, Dan, so what is this Goggle trick you found?

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OK, Dan, so what is this Goggle trick you found?



not me boss...this guy


 
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In Google, type what you want to search. At the end, type site:fiero.nl
For example:
https://www.google.com/sear...l&btnK=Google+Search


works so far......even converts "Blinker" to turn signal. neat

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quite looks the part, too.....twin turbo in the trunk hole uhoh!

listen to it here.....sounds awesome
http://www.youtube.com/watc...bedded&v=pAR9BMAMEVs

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TLG also offers this dual throttle body intake system powder coated in red. With this intake system, and the Taiwan exhaust sound, you might actually fool more people into thinking the 2.8 was some kind of exotic engine in the Mera. The Taiwan exhaust supposedly runs a smaller diesel resonator for the muffler in the system.

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this??


i still have the pics from that email above.....

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ohhh heck yeah.....and a trailer!!!! not for $8000, unless theres a Truck involved....but its a good start




http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...&hash=item231603775a

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Those would be the 180 degree headers. If you have ever seen the videos that I have posted as well as others of the guy in Taiwan with the stock Fiero motor that sounds like a smooth European motor, that is part of the reason why. By having the 2 cylinders on each side crossed over to the other header, it is supposed to smooth out the exhaust pulses. In the case of the 6 cylinder, the center cylinder is the only one that is crossed over while with the V8, the 2 center ones are crossed. Add the right resonator and you get a very nice sound. I do believe that there is a little more tuning that has to be done on the bigger motors to run correctly but for the stock Fiero motor, I think there probably is no extra tuning.



If all this requires is running the center exhaust port from each side to the opposide exhaust bank that should not be too involved for a muffler shop with a mandrel bender. I wonder how much of the sound is changed by the exhaust routing, compared to the resonator. The stock Fiero muffler sounds very nice. Perhaps it could be retained.

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I wonder how much of the sound is changed by the exhaust routing, compared to the resonator.


My bet is that it's all in the routing.

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Took the RottinMera out to lacrosse practice. Took a couple pics next to Doc's Porsche.





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You can tell I have time on my hands.....



YUP!!!!! I call it MERA MERA ON THE WALL!

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hunny, i'm home!!



http://realestate.yahoo.com...ievable-garages.html

i made this for Tom (FieroInParadise) AOL.....awhile back.

old school cut (real paper) and paste (scotch tape).....scan
he said he wished he had a pic of his Mera in Korea......he took the background pic on one of his work-cations


wonder whats up with the ole fella??
TOMMY WHERE YOU AT!!?????

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You can tell I have time on my hands.....




I can tell it's getting cold above 42 degrees north ;-)

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http://www.youtube.com/watc...ilpage&v=ZpkzYIWUptc


I would have purchased that car for the body panels. Even the paint was shiny and the panel fit looked great. What a waste.........

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Dan,

http://www.racingjunk.com/1...per-Project-Car.html

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Dan,

http://www.racingjunk.com/1...per-Project-Car.html


nice find Richard.....390 hp....really?? crikey!

Rick? i know right?? perfect for a Fast engine swap. a goal of mine should i get to work again. but then i see this!!!!!WOW!!
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/059043.html



hubba, hubba i tell you whats been for sale in the last 3-5 months would have killed me by now
Starting with Ricks buddy's bad ass V8 i should have bought! but i still got the money so.....i guess.......whatever
this SD-4 is the ultimate for the Fiero and the Mera is a Great platform Fiero to install this monster into.
Watch out Nelson! I, is a commin to get ya soooo cool this SD-4 would be. *LOVE*
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Ah, you boy's have been having to much fun with out me, so here is a "new one" to ponder:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...&hash=item1c20e1a534 Where do I begin, I just love the different wheel, or the rear wheels, but my favorite is where he ran the exhaust....this might be an idea for you Dan.

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Ah, you boy's have been having to much fun with out me, so here is a "new one" to ponder:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...&hash=item1c20e1a534 Where do I begin, I just love the different wheel, or the rear wheels, but my favorite is where he ran the exhaust....this might be an idea for you Dan.


Ditch those awful wheels, route the exhaust correctly, paint the lower rockers, and the panel around where the exhaust should go satin black, and the car would look fine. I can't see $4k in those seats.....

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in a perfect world i want to buy a 308 kit and dump the fast engine in that, but not at that price.
all i need is a steady job for 6 months and i could show you all, but........

its funny it looks like the exhaust holes are not even cut out...hahahaaa.

Ultimately, the 86 Proto will be mine and Mera X will be 200 mph

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Is this SD sold? Where located. WTB SD for my INDY

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