Do you understand that one thing they are trying to do is work, they wont let them cross the border if they arent vaccinated.
Like fats said.
I personally don't care if they get vaccinated or not, that's their personal decision. But they are no better than anyone else who wants to cross that border unless determined by someone other than me to be essential. That's not their or my decision. Personally, if it were up to me, they would be designated essential but, it's not up to me. For me, this is not a COVID issue, it's more of a rule of law issue. If one doesn't like a law, get it changed legally and not through damaging two nation's economies.
That's not suggesting I agree with the requirement, and I don't get to make the rules but, the rules apply to everyone IMHO. I also agree that truckers and medical personnel and a few others should be shown respect for what they've done during this pandemic. Should trucker's and medical personnel be considered for a special exemption from the official rules? Again, I don't get to make that decision, but if it was allowed for those essential folks to be granted a pass, I have no problem with that either.
I don't agree with a minority tying up two nations border crossing or denying others the right to use that asphalt. Whether its BLM, Pipeline Protestors or anyone else. Obviously, I'm in the minority on this forum but, when it comes to your or our city/asphalt, don't start bitching about it.
Rams
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A long time ago (dont remember the thread) I posted a question about the limits of "rule of law"
That question went some thing along the lines of, and using the 1970's "Logan's Run" T.V. series as an example...
What would you do when "the law" demands you kill yourself by a certain deadline. Obey the law ? Follow the "law" process which will likely extend past that deadline, and the suicide will be done for you ?
Or say "**** you and **** your laws" and fight for your life and rights ?
I guess we are finding out, and given the information that's coming in on these clot-shots side effects, I was a lot closer to the truth than I thought at the time.
"Rule of law" is only valid so long as most believe in those laws and consent to them. Otherwise it's just another dictatorship that devolves into revolution.
You are seeing that consent being withdrawn. For exactly Logan's reasons.
I personally don't care if they get vaccinated or not, that's their personal decision. But they are no better than anyone else who wants to cross that border unless determined by someone other than me to be essential. That's not their or my decision. Personally, if it were up to me, they would be designated essential but, it's not up to me. For me, this is not a COVID issue, it's more of a rule of law issue. If one doesn't like a law, get it changed legally and not through damaging two nation's economies. Rams
Thought a judge said they have a right to be there? Can you get laws changed when the dictator will not even entertain a conversation? My reply was to you because you said, if your job was on the line, theirs is.
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Honestly, I don't know Canadian law but pretty sure blocking the roads, ports and streets would be illegal without a permit but, you'd have to ask a Canadian that question.
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Thought a judge said they have a right to be there? Can you get laws changed when the dictator will not even entertain a conversation?
If so, I hadn't heard or read that. Reference the conversation, leaders can always be replaced if, they go against the majority's will. While I may be very wrong on this, I personally believe this blockade will only strengthen his position with the supposed majority.
Rams
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Honestly, I don't know Canadian law but pretty sure blocking the roads, ports and streets would be illegal without a permit but, you'd have to ask a Canadian that question.
Rams
You could start informing yourself with the video I posted on top of page 5, if you like.
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Leftist ideology is to prevent people from.protesting unless in a gov approved and designated 'Free Speech Zone.'
Has that asphalt been designated a "Free Speech Zone"?
If so, then my argument is mute admittedly. But, I'm thinking it's closer to being Trespassing at a minimum at this point. Or, something similar, admittedly I don't know Canadian laws.
Rams
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Has that asphalt been designated a "Free Speech Zone"?
If so, then my argument is mute admittedly. But, I'm thinking it's closer to being Trespassing at a minimum at this point. Or, something similar, admittedly I don't know Canadian laws.
Rams
Both of our entire countries are "Free Speech Zones" (contrary to what the jackboots seem to think)
Realizing this is going nowhere, have fun. Obviously, I have failed to communicate my singular point about this protest. Doesn't matter, it'll all be over soon.
Rams
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Realizing this is going nowhere, have fun. Obviously, I have failed to communicate my singular point about this protest. Doesn't matter, it'll all be over soon.
Rams
I understood that you meant people shouldnt block streets. It was your justifications and the words surrounding that statement, that caused it to not be taken that simply (I believe).
What you said here is also of concern. "Doesn't matter, it'll all be over soon.". Yeah, til next time. The next crisis... mandate... lock down...
Realizing this is going nowhere, have fun. Obviously, I have failed to communicate my singular point about this protest. Doesn't matter, it'll all be over soon.
Rams
I get the point, Rams....It's just kind of a moot one.
In blunt terms, what you are watching is a slow revolution and government overthrow, except it's "by the people" exactly the same way commi-nism in Europe was tossed out.
The "laws", dictates and mandates of the government are not really relevant any longer, much the same way all the soviet block countries laws became irrelevent.
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Patrick! What did you do buddy?!!! That toad looks so sad, as if it's looking into a window from the outside.
What did I miss?
I know we were disagreeing, but I didn't see anything that was ban worthy. FWIW, I've had him on the positive side, as I do many here, especially if I disagree with them. I want other points of view. They help us all grow and learn.
Trudeau treated the whole thing as "hands off" right from the beginning and ignored it, and it's now blown up in his face.
Now he's asking other government members, Police and officials to clean up this mess. Kinda like: “Now that the all horses have run out of the barn I left unlocked, let’s all hold hands and try to corral them.”
Misinformation like the Government does (Both US and Canada) should be punishable by law. There should be very real jail times and financial punishment (from their personal accounts) for anyone that knowingly spreads misinformation from the Government or media.
Both sides, and anyone that does "Oh, it's just opinion" like CNN or FOX (for example) does whenever they get caught, should have the same punishment unless they clearly display something the entire time stating that the information is just opinion.
you would think that those who are moving all over the place would be the people you'd want least likely to be driving around spreading disease....
but, hooray for politics.
LOLOLOLOLOL, Thanks man, for the laugh. You do realize that the butt of your joke is tat the CDC says that the (mandates) vaccinations do not stop the spread OR contagiousness of covid. FUNNY GUY
Originally posted by Rickady88GT: You do realize that... the CDC says that the (mandates) vaccinations do not stop the spread OR contagiousness of covid.
According to this latest reporting from the CDC, it is not about the spread or contagiousness of Covid—it's about blunting Covid's impact on Emergency Care and Hospital System resources and facilities, including the strain on the medical workers themselves. That's (my) reading between the lines to understand why the CDC wants an even higher percentage of the population to be fully vaccinated and boosted against Covid. And here's the latest reporting from the CDC:
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Booster shots of the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines lose substantial effectiveness after about four months — but still provided significant protection in keeping people out of the hospital during the omicron surge, according to a study published Friday by the [CDC].
"Booster effectiveness wanes after 4 months, but showed 'sturdy' protection against hospitalization, CDC study shows" Lena H. Sun for the Washington Post; February 11, 2022. https://www.washingtonpost....-omicron-protection/
This new article can be freely accessed by anyone. It's not protected by the Washington Post subscribers paywall. And it's about a study that was just published today (February 11, 2022) by the CDC:
"Waning 2-Dose and 3-Dose Effectiveness of mRNA Vaccines Against COVID-19–Associated Emergency Department and Urgent Care Encounters and Hospitalizations Among Adults During Periods of Delta and Omicron Variant Predominance — VISION Network, 10 States, August 2021–January 2022" https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/vo...s/71/wr/mm7107e2.htm
Article citation: Ferdinands JM, Rao S, Dixon BE, et al. Waning 2-Dose and 3-Dose Effectiveness of mRNA Vaccines Against COVID-19–Associated Emergency Department and Urgent Care Encounters and Hospitalizations Among Adults During Periods of Delta and Omicron Variant Predominance — VISION Network, 10 States, August 2021–January 2022. MMWR Morb Mortal Wkly Rep. ePub: 11 February 2022. DOI: http://dx.doi.org/10.15585/mmwr.mm7107e2external icon Click to show
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Vaccine Effectiveness (VE) against COVID-19–associated Emergency Department/Urgent Care (ED/UC) visits and hospitalizations was higher after the third dose than after the second dose but waned with time since vaccination. During the Omicron-predominant period, VE against COVID-19–associated ED/UC visits and hospitalizations was 87% and 91%, respectively, during the 2 months after a third dose and decreased to 66% and 78% by the fourth month after a third dose. Protection against hospitalizations exceeded that against ED/UC visits.
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Well, today's fun was riot police with sniper back-up cleared the Ambassador Bridge,,,,,and WOULDNT ya just know it, it seems a bunch of trucks broke down all at the same time on the American side of it (AND the Blue Water in Sarnia)
Damn rotten luck eh, Trudeau
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According to this latest reporting from the CDC, it is not about the spread or contagiousness of Covid—it's about blunting Covid's impact on Emergency Care and Hospital System resources and facilities, including the strain on the medical workers themselves. That's (my) reading between the lines to understand why the CDC wants an even higher percentage of the population to be fully vaccinated and boosted against Covid. And here's the latest reporting from the CDC:
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Exactly, 2 weeks to flatten the curve, right? I mean 2 weeks plus 2 years. But what is 2 years of lockdowns and mandates to friends? No problem. Just print some more free money and give it away. Inflation? What inflation?
Originally posted by Hudini: Exactly, 2 weeks to flatten the curve, right? I mean 2 weeks plus 2 years. But what is 2 years of lockdowns and mandates to friends? No problem. Just print some more free money and give it away. Inflation? What inflation?
Further increasing the percentage of fully vaccinated and boosted individuals would translate to being willing, or sooner being willing, on the part of public health officials, to do away with restrictions on what people can do—lockdowns and limits on public gatherings and events—and on masking requirements.
So says this latest CDC report (referring to my previous message here), the way I read it between the lines.
In other words, if you don't like restrictions on public activities and don't like masking requirements, you should like raising the population percentage of Covid vaccinations and booster shots. More freedom for public activities without face mask requirements—"Yes, please." More people working the production and supply chains without being interrupted by doctor visits and hospitalizations because they are getting symptomatic infections of the Omicron variant—"Yes, please."
I don't think Delta has been entirely eradicated yet, either, in the United States.
Covid vaccines and booster shots are inherently anti-inflationary.
I don't just play a Pennock's forum member on TV. I am one.
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have left open lanes at ALL locations for EMS or regular traffic.
