After all these years, we finally have a Canadian topic in O/T that our American friends can sink their teeth into. I think it's great. Next we'll be discussing our favorite sport!
I like Hockey. We used to have a local team, got a puck from the game one night.
After all these years, we finally have a Canadian topic in O/T that our American friends can sink their teeth into. I think it's great. Next we'll be discussing our favorite sport!
You are a little behind, as a matter of fact our team has decided to go to ottowa and support the truckers tonight, the bunch of jerks
A Judge said the fuel needs to be returned. GOOD. Should have never been touched. Those people get heat and basic living conditions from that fuel. That was an act of cruelty against the Truckers. Taking away basic human necessity. Whoever was in charge of that operation needs to be fired.
I honestly don't give a dang about Trudeau or how Canada decides to handle the mandates, that's their business. I don't support the mandates but, I do not believe truck drivers are any better than any other citizen. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. If, border crossings require a COVID card for anyone then it's just as applicable to truckers. Other citizens should not have to pay a price for something they have no part of the decision. Remember Occupy Wall Street, The BLM protests, the Pipe Line protests.............. Lots of folks got all upset about that. Protest all ya want but, stay the hell off the roads. I'm not knocking the "Protest" but, they have no right to stop commerce or the rights of others to use that same asphalt. You can bet your bippy that truckers were bitching about those other protests blocking the roads.
But, while not attempting to take sides on this Canadian issue, I'd like to remind those in support that the next time someone has a problem with an issue, the same tactic could occur at your city. So, when some minority decides to block the roads and bridges in your city, enjoy it.
Rams
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I honestly don't give a dang about Trudeau or how Canada decides to handle the mandates, that's their business. I don't support the mandates but, I do not believe truck drivers are any better than any other citizen. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. If, border crossings require a COVID card for anyone then it's just as applicable to truckers. Other citizens should not have to pay a price for something they have no part of the decision. Remember Occupy Wall Street, The BLM protests, the Pipe Line protests.............. Lots of folks got all upset about that. Protest all ya want but, stay the hell off the roads. I'm not knocking the "Protest" but, they have no right to stop commerce or the rights of others to use that same asphalt. You can bet your bippy that truckers were bitching about those other protests blocking the roads.
Totally understand your approach, but there is a very distinct difference between all the protests you linked:
Occupy Wall Street - Lot of mental illness, rape, and drug use in those camps, otherwise peaceful (discounting the rape and assaults) Pipeline Protests - Probably the closest to the trucker protest, no one's hurt. Black Live Matter Protests - If we're to include ANTIFA in this, which ... yes, because they're directly associated. It amounted to TRILLIONS of dollars in damages to PRIVATE property, and private citizens. Many people have been killed, lots of assaults, theft, and lots of rape. Trucker Protests - Public land is being blocked off. While it does affect local business, for restaurants and convenience stores, this has brought tons of business. There is no violence or burning of buildings or any of the other non-sense.
I can support the right of those individuals (pipeline and occupy) to protest, without still getting annoyed at them. When I lived in DC... they were taking up park space outside the National Aquarium, and the place reeked of urine and feces, with weird stoned people walking around and homeless people jerking off in front of tourists while some stoned hippie played the guitar a few feet away. I haven't seen that on any of the news channels with the Trucker Protests yet.
All that said, I'm an American, and it's not my country (Canada), but I sure can hold an opinion on it. And I like to continually quote the Declaration of Independence (which the National Archives now considers offensive)...
"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."
For my Canadian friends... this is great advice. I'm pretty sure mask mandates, vaccine passports, mandatory vaccinations, and other nonsense are not part of the ... "Laws of Nature and of Nature's God."
I will say... with all the chaos that's going on, Democrats (or really I should say, radical left, not really Democrats)... there's an awakening. Even nonsense Republicans are not doing well right now. I would love to see a Constitutional Convention and get the states to retake their rights from the Federal government, including reclaiming the right to elect their own Senators through their legislative branches.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Black Live Matter Protests - If we're to include ANTIFA in this, which ... yes, because they're directly associated. It amounted to TRILLIONS of dollars in damages to PRIVATE property, and private citizens. Many people have been killed, lots of assaults, theft, and lots of rape.
No. Just BILLIONS. Some number of billions of dollars. The actual insurance payouts for property loss and damage, something on the order of $2 billion for the whole of 2020, from "George Floyd" to the end of the year. Losses that were not compensated by insurance payouts, on top of that. And long term negative impacts on the economy across the nation--a "fraying of the social fabric" that subtracts from the economy, even going into the future, from where we are now.
But not "TRILLIONS."
Nothing good comes from hyperbole. It's like the people who say that the young Hitler wasn't any good with his watercolors. HIs drawings and paintings.
Actually, if you focus just on how he did urban scenes and architecture (buildings), and disregard his underperformance in terms of representing the people in his scenes, he wasn't that bad. Somewhat meritorious, actually. (That's what I've seen in "TV Land" recently.)
But there's plenty else about him to bring his reputation down.
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For Ottawa residents living downtown, Tuesday may mark their first taste of relief in 12 days as a temporary court injunction takes effect that orders truckers in the so-called “Freedom Convoy” to stop blaring their horns.
The wording of McLean’s injunction states that anyone not working with a municipal fire department is prohibited from using “air horns or train horns” within the area covered by the injunction.
A large part of the area has been hard-hit by the encampments set up by the trucker convoy over recent weeks. Police have launched more than 60 criminal investigations into alleged hateful, threatening or violent conduct against residents of the neighbourhoods that stretch from the highway north toward Parliament Hill, where residents have been forced to endure deafening honking for days.
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Can you imagine having to tolerate that racket over the course of several hours/days?
No. Just BILLIONS. Some number of billions of dollars. The actual insurance payouts for property loss and damage, something on the order of $2 billion for the whole of 2020, from "George Floyd" to the end of the year. Losses that were not compensated by insurance payouts, on top of that. And long term negative impacts on the economy across the nation--a "fraying of the social fabric" that subtracts from the economy, even going into the future, from where we are now.
But not "TRILLIONS."
Nothing good comes from hyperbole. It's like the people who say that the young Hitler wasn't any good with his watercolors. HIs drawings and paintings.
Actually, if you focus just on how he did urban scenes and architecture (buildings), and disregard his underperformance in terms of representing the people in his scenes, he wasn't that bad. Somewhat meritorious, actually. (That's what I've seen in "TV Land" recently.)
But there's plenty else about him to bring his reputation down.
Yeah, I didn't mean to say Trillions... lol.
I can't remember ever having a discussion about Hitlery's artistic prowess. But glad he had something to pass the time before he decided to kill however 10s of millions of people. TRILLIONS of people!
I honestly don't give a dang about Trudeau or how Canada decides to handle the mandates, that's their business. I don't support the mandates but, I do not believe truck drivers are any better than any other citizen. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. If, border crossings require a COVID card for anyone then it's just as applicable to truckers. Other citizens should not have to pay a price for something they have no part of the decision. Remember Occupy Wall Street, The BLM protests, the Pipe Line protests.............. Lots of folks got all upset about that. Protest all ya want but, stay the hell off the roads. I'm not knocking the "Protest" but, they have no right to stop commerce or the rights of others to use that same asphalt. You can bet your bippy that truckers were bitching about those other protests blocking the roads.
But, while not attempting to take sides on this Canadian issue, I'd like to remind those in support that the next time someone has a problem with an issue, the same tactic could occur at your city. So, when some minority decides to block the roads and bridges in your city, enjoy it.
Rams
They aren't stopping commerce. You are a free man. Jump in with your truck and get commerce going. Nobody is forcing you to not haul stuff in and out of anywhere.
Vehicles are clearly coming and going, even in Ottawa. They may have to take a longer way, but I've yet to hear about a business in that area having to shut down because of a lack of product... Even the trucks are able to get fuel.
Want to know how I know you aren't paying attention? You keep saying it's "just like BLM protests." Yet there are no fires, no violence, no painting all over building. Nobody is locked in buildings being physically torn down by "peaceful protesters." You keep saying it's the same, it's not. It's a very different thing.
You live in fear, like a sheep. You keep attacking and pretending you are having a conversation, but you have made up your mind on everything and you are on the wrong side of history. There is no sense in even responding to you. Then it's "How dare you attack me, I did nothing (except mock your way of life.) "
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Originally posted by Patrick: I REFUSE TO PUT ON WINTER TIRES BECAUSE:
• It’s my car, my choice, my freedom. • The effectiveness of winter tires is not proven, except by studies carried out by the manufacturers (like I’m supposed to trust them). • My neighbor Bob had an accident even after putting on winter tires. • Some drivers are already on their 3rd set of tires, which proves their ineffectiveness. • We do not know what the tires are made of. • The tire manufacturers scare us with winter just to enrich themselves. • In fact, I read on the internet that the tire giants invented snow and spread it at night when you sleep. • If I have winter tires, the government can track me in the snow.
Educate yourself, open your eyes, stop being sheep!
This year, I say no to winter tires!
Fine, it's supposed to be a free country. Just don't make everyone else say no to winter tires.
It sure is, Castro, Jr. You've managed to unite the country against you to the point where they're lugging jerry cans full of gas, in defiance of your orders, through the streets, to the truckers in the middle of the Canadian winter.
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They aren't stopping commerce. You are a free man. Jump in with your truck and get commerce going. Nobody is forcing you to not haul stuff in and out of anywhere.
Vehicles are clearly coming and going, even in Ottawa. They may have to take a longer way, but I've yet to hear about a business in that area having to shut down because of a lack of product... Even the trucks are able to get fuel.
Want to know how I know you aren't paying attention? You keep saying it's "just like BLM protests." Yet there are no fires, no violence, no painting all over building. Nobody is locked in buildings being physically torn down by "peaceful protesters." You keep saying it's the same, it's not. It's a very different thing.
You live in fear, like a sheep. You keep attacking and pretending you are having a conversation, but you have made up your mind on everything and you are on the wrong side of history. There is no sense in even responding to you. Then it's "How dare you attack me, I did nothing (except mock your way of life.) "
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Totally understand your approach, but there is a very distinct difference between all the protests you linked: .
IMHO, blocking a road, right of way or bridge is unacceptable and all the other crap is just that, crap. Just the way I view it.
You live in fear, like a sheep. You keep attacking and pretending you are having a conversation, but you have made up your mind on everything and you are on the wrong side of history. There is no sense in even responding to you. Then it's "How dare you attack me, I did nothing (except mock your way of life.) "
Not sure how I mocked your way of life but, I have to assume the statement about truckers were no better than any other citizen hit a nerve. Sorry but, they aren't.
You have no idea who or what I am so, I won't mind if you don't respond. In fact, I'd appreciate it. Thanks Be safe out there.
Rams
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First of all, I drove a truck for 27 years and I am a strong proponent of personal freedom.
Now, I support their cause, but not their method.
When you restrict someone’s freedom of movement, without due cause, you become the oppressor. You cannot fight oppression with oppression. That is the big mistake of the Left. That is why they will loose.
We are not yet at war. When (or if) that changes, the rules will change.
We have done the local protests, we have done the picket the officials homes, we have done the civil disobedience and ignored them. There has been PLENTY of it.
None of that worked or got the message across.
This is the next step in the escalation.
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We have done the local protests, we have done the picket the officials homes, we have done the civil disobedience and ignored them. There has been PLENTY of it.
Hypothetically, if i was going to do or planning ANYTHING in support, I would not be putting it on the internet. I may have been born at night, but it wasnt last night.
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And THIS is why I am not at Ottawa or Sarnia or Windsor right now....they don't want people like me around right now. I tend to have "snap reactions" to having my buttons pushed, and they are NOT "peaceful and calm" type reactions. ... 0 to rip-your-liver-out in under 3 seconds is a better description. I am NOT somebody you want around when cops start to get pushy, because I do push right back.
Hypothetically, if i was going to do or planning ANYTHING in support, I would not be putting it on the internet. I may have been born at night, but it wasnt last night.
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And THIS is why I am not at Ottawa or Sarnia or Windsor right now....they don't want people like me around right now. I tend to have "snap reactions" to having my buttons pushed, and they are NOT "peaceful and calm" type reactions. ... 0 to rip-your-liver-out in under 3 seconds is a better description. I am NOT somebody you want around when cops start to get pushy, because I do push right back.
That is only allowed to go one way in our media run world.
Those people (oppressors) who threw all that tea in Boston Harbor were depriving people of tea and depriving merchants of revenue income. OPPRESSORS!!!
The oppressors of the US colonies that strove to blockade any port or harbor from British ships trying to oppress them were just using the wrong tactics. I've been taught a new O/T lesson. Thank you.
The O/T non-conservatives are teaching me an alternate history. Thank you.
The old man tooted his horn (in support) and waved at protestors on the sidewalk. This was after the city got a court injection to stop The Convoy Protest to stop blasting their truck mounted train horns.
Some Cops can't see the difference in circumstances.
