The current plan put forth by Mayor Watson of Ottawa is to starve out the convoy by cutting off all services. This includes punishing local business owners who have been forced to close once again at the capricious wishes of the Mayor. At a time when the Freedom Convoy is filling the downtown with visitors, the small businesses are becoming collateral damage.
The deprivation of services includes no Port-a-Potties, no food and no fuel. While not yet the subject of a human rights complaint, the Freedom Convoy believes that the forced withdrawal of basic human services such as food and fuel for warmth is a significant violation of the Charter of Rights.
The Freedom Convoy is exercising its rights to peaceful freedom of movement and peaceful assembly. The Freedom Convoy is also entitled to freedom of conscience and religion, which it has been doing in a peaceful manner.
Watched a press conference on CPAC this morning of the Ottawa Police Chief and his deputies.
His tone has changed a lot. Said that he now has help from all three levels of government plus national and international security services.(That's CSIS, CIA, NSA etc).
There has never been a protest this well funded and organized in Canadian history.
No more vehicles, food, water, fuel gets in
Busted a guy bringing in guns
Death threats on the Chief and others - convinced that was anti-protesters who want the truckers gone.
No more hotel rooms - any vacant room will be rented by the government. Police informed every hotel.
Only access to the site will be on foot.
More barricades & police on site. Counter protesters coming too. Says the situation is getting dangerous.
In a month when Europe is relaxing constraints, Canada appears to be doubling down. I'm sure the reason is because they can't give the appearance that the Freedom Convoy is successful.
If they keep it up there will probably be an emergence of Killdozer.
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Naw, Canadians cant be bothered building killdozers.
More like a general strike.
Eff ya Turdeau, drive them yourself.
Then in a week or 2 when the shelves are empty and the whole country is starving in the coldest month of the year, with 10,000% inflation for what little CAN be had, it might be time to talk.
Whats he gonna do, MANDATE them back to work ????? BWAHAHAHAHA.
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No tow trucks to be seen. I'm not really surprised because yesterday and Wed all the tow drivers they called "had covid' . Maybe they got the truckers to clear a lane as goodwill or something.
No tow trucks to be seen. I'm not really surprised because yesterday and Wed all the tow drivers they called "had covid' . Maybe they got the truckers to clear a lane as goodwill or something.
Heard something simlilar to that myself. What was said is the tow companies don't want to piss off the trucking companies for future potential business so, they are staying clear of this. I guess the next alternative would be to call in the military with their towing capabilities. That could get interesting
GoFundMe has closed down the campaign for the truckers by calling it an "occupation", and plans to steal $9m and donate to "approved" (commie-leftist) charities
For those so inclined, the replacement campaign is up to $66k in a couple minutes. DONT forget to do a charge-back on GoScrewMe, 1st so you get a refund and second so they get charged the service fee for it. Let them give their OWN money to BLM !
GoFundMe has closed down the campaign for the truckers by calling it an "occupation", and plans to steal $9m and donate to "approved" (commie-leftist) charities
For those so inclined, the replacement campaign is up to $66k in a couple minutes. DONT forget to do a charge-back on GoScrewMe, 1st so you get a refund and second so they get charged the service fee for it. Let them give their OWN money to BLM !
Yep, the group I'm in said that was gonna happen a week ago.
They were talking about the donators suing GoFundMe for changing where things were going. It could get interesting if the right person (cough cough Musk) can step in to throw some weight in there.
There's a small, little-known part of the United State's Declaration of Independence...
...it goes something like this:
"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."
Governments forget who they serve, and people... who are fallible, get a little authoritarian when they come into power. They need to recognize... the only thing that holds their power is the will of the people. You break that will, and you lose your power.
What is the point of a vaccine mandate that we know does nothing for the variants that are out there? This is not about vaccines, and it's not about making people safe. This is 100% about power and control right now. Any logical person can see there's little benefit at this point to continue to push these mandates.
There's a small, little-known part of the United State's Declaration of Independence...it goes something like this:
"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."
Governments forget who they serve, and people... who are fallible, get a little authoritarian when they come into power. They need to recognize... the only thing that holds their power is the will of the people. You break that will, and you lose your power.
What is the point of a vaccine mandate that we know does nothing for the variants that are out there? This is not about vaccines, and it's not about making people safe. This is 100% about power and control right now. Any logical person can see there's little benefit at this point to continue to push these mandates.
Mandates . . . not mandates . . . but I cannot count myself among the people who "know that [the Covid vaccines] do nothing for the variants . . ."
I am of the opinion, based on what I've read and seen online and on TV, that the Covid vaccines and boosters are still very effective against the Omicron and other currently known variants, in terms of blunting the severity of Covid infections and tilting the scales of probability away from hospitalizations and severe cases, leaving only mildly symptomatic and asymptomatic infections as the more likely outcomes.
Covid vaccines don't have to protect you for the rest of your life. They work if they keep you alive and well until the next improvement in Covid vaccines becomes available to you. There's a lot of projects already underway to make sure that happens--the Covid vaccines and boosters of the not so distant future.
You could have a "Walt" in your future. A Spike Ferritin-based Covid vaccine that you'll call a "Walt" because of the connection it would have to the Army's Walter Reed Medical Research Institute. And it's not just Covid that's in the vaccine developers' crosshairs.
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It is the "get vaccinated, or lose your job" vaccine mandate across the country that is driving this.
Anyone who’s decided not to be vaccinated for whatever reason, is shamed and reviled as Lepers used to be. They are losing their jobs, their businesses, being barred from public activities, and almost forced to jail themselves. We have signs saying “No Unvaccinated” instead of the “No Jews” that Germany had.
Aside all the complaints in Ottawa, people in other countries would laugh to hear this protest being described as “lawless”.
In Europe, huge clashes with Police in military garb against protestors look like Middle-East war zones. American BLM protests saw looting and burning-to-the-ground of inner-city cores (Trudeau supports the cause though). https://www.ctvnews.ca/worl...ith-police-1.4961627
How to you turn a mostly peaceful protest into a riot? Bring in the “Riot Police”. How aptly named, since the riot always starts once they’ve arrived and start bashing skulls.
Unfortunately, His Omnipotence, Justin Trudeau has basically NOT even acknowledged the Convoy Protest is taking place. Sure, he has made condemnatory comments on images and comments of “the protestors” hand selected by the left wing news media for maximum derision of the thousands of working people who don’t have those politically incorrect views.
Basically, he has said NOTHING otherwise. Of course, Trudeau’s hard-headedness has painted himself into a corner. His self-appointed position of Omnipotence will NOT allow him to budge now. And making any concessions of any kind is now personal, and would be too big a blow to his ego.
The best we can hope for is some kind of announcement something like:
"Under the advice of The Chief Public Health Officer of Canada, Dr. Tam, Provincial Health Ministers and other health professionals across the country, as well as new information from European countries, the effectiveness of continued vaccine mandates (get vaccinated or lose your job) and Vaccine Passports no longer appear to have the effectiveness during this pandemic as they had up until now."
"While we still encourage everyone to get vaccinations and boosters, and maintaining diligence in personal Covid prevention, we feel with 85% already vaccinated, the vaccine mandates are no longer effective and should be discontinued."
This would let Justin Trudeau off the hook as "someone else" made the decision. (His favorite term these days is he's "only following the science")
I really don't understand what is going on. Why is the Trucker Protest all of a sudden a dangerous riot by law enforcement standards and your Prime Minister says that all these Truckers and Farmers who are protesting are all a bunch of racists?
Why is the Trucker Protest all of a sudden a dangerous riot by law enforcement standards and your Prime Minister says that all these Truckers and Farmers who are protesting are all a bunch of racists?
The news media reported seeing a Confederate flag as well as a Nazi (?) banner (people think Trudeau is a dictator) in the crowd last weekend. Maybe even a "Trump 2024" placard. Not sure how many thousands of hours of video they went through to find them.
An unedited 2-hour walk through of The Protest on Wednesday (Day 5). You decide.
I really don't understand what is going on. Why is the Trucker Protest all of a sudden a dangerous riot by law enforcement standards and your Prime Minister says that all these Truckers and Farmers who are protesting are all a bunch of racists?
Am I in an alternative universe?
They aren't used to being stood up to.
Canadian "protests" are usually small, short-lived and non-confrontational with most of us just quietly ignoring the problem "laws/rules/mandates" and doing as we please anyway. We let them have their illusion of power and control (in reality they have very-very little).
This "Cold civil war" strips away that illusion and forces them to realize how powerless they really are, and how many of US have been simply ignoring them all this time.
As the being "racists/misogynists/extremist/terrorist/bunch-of-other-ists"....Well, YEAH !. Dontchya know that applies to ANYBODY that disagrees with or opposes a lib ???
As the being "racists/misogynists/extremist/terrorist/bunch-of-other-ists"....Well, YEAH !. Dontchya know that applies to ANYBODY that disagrees with or opposes a lib ???
That also automatically pops up anytime someone isn't condemning Trump.
Something seems way off here. Am I in an alternative universe?
That's how I felt this morning when a bunch of large trucks came down my street on their way to a gathering in downtown Vancouver... and the first truck I saw was flying an American flag. Only convinces me more that there are outside influences in place.
Counter-protesters block west coast wing of truck rally at Terminal Ave.
As Anti-mandate protests drag into a second weekend across Canada, groups of counter-protesters are starting to push back. In Vancouver, a sizeable group of cyclists halted that city’s anti-mandate protest in its tracks.
As the trucker protest rolled toward downtown Vancouver it was met by several dozen cyclists and counter-protestors on foot, reports CTV. The counter-protest at the end of Terminal Ave. at Main St. on Saturday morning.
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This would explain why all the trucks were coming down my street this morning. They were trying to find an alternate route downtown to avoid the counter-protesters. I think they underestimated how fast the bikes could get from place to place.
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I've been watching for any names or logos. I'm pretty sure it's almost totally independent truckers. I can't imagine Walmart, Schneider, UPS, FedEx, JB Hunt or any of the other major trucking companies allowing their trucks to be involved and not delivering goods/products. Their drivers may agree with the protest but, I'd bet parking any corporate truck would involve a very quick termination. I mentioned those trucking companies just off the top of my head, their are probably others that I am not aware of in Canada.
It's kind of like letting a 6-year-old win at wrestling and giving them a trophy.
Except in this case, the "6-year-old" outsmarted the truckers. The truckers want to block traffic... fine, two can play at that game. Downtown Vancouver is basically surrounded by water on three sides, so there's only a limited number of ways to get there. The access routes to downtown were therefore being cut off to large trucks by the cyclists. The general public has learned a lesson from the Ottawa experience... don't let the anarchists gain a foothold!
Except in this case, the "6-year-old" outsmarted the truckers. The truckers want to block traffic... fine, two can play at that game. Downtown Vancouver is basically surrounded by water on three sides, so there's only a limited number of ways to get there. The access routes to downtown were therefore being cut off to large trucks by the cyclists.
Guess what. It still blocked the roads from the look of it...
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This is eventually gonna fade away to the same nothingness the "Occupy" movement did. Why? $$$ Truck payments and putting beans on the table will take precedence. Unlike places in other parts of the world, where people actually do take up arms and revolt, eveything of this nature in North America is predicated on big talk, no action, and of course, those talking loudest are always the least likely, least equipped, least trained to do otherwise. All Hat-No Cows.
Guess what. It still blocked the roads from the look of it...
It definitely slowed traffic, but cars had access to routes that large trucks didn't. More importantly, I don't believe the truckers had the ability (in any great numbers) to set up camp in downtown Vancouver.
I've been watching for any names or logos. I'm pretty sure it's almost totally independent truckers. I can't imagine Walmart, Schneider, UPS, FedEx, JB Hunt or any of the other major trucking companies allowing their trucks to be involved and not delivering goods/products. Their drivers may agree with the protest but, I'd bet parking any corporate truck would involve a very quick termination. I mentioned those trucking companies just off the top of my head, their are probably others that I am not aware of in Canada.
Rams
The independent trucker have the most to lose. If they are not getting the more lucrative runs because they can not crossing the border they are just another small business that goes under.
The independent trucker have the most to lose. If they are not getting the more lucrative runs because they can not crossing the border they are just another small business that goes under.
Understood. Those are the same guys and gals that have those big truck/trailer payments. I suspect they'll be back to work before that next payment is due. Or not. They always have options.
Rams
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I suspect most (if not all) of the big trucks there are the O/O's that got shut down from crossing the border by the mandate.
They GOT no jobs/work to go back to.
I'm not there and have to go by news reports. But a reporter was interviewing a group of drivers a couple days ago and they all agreed that 90% of those truckers participating in the "Protest" were vaccinated. I'm not saying that's true, only repeating what those truckers said. If that is true then they could cross the border. Or, am I misinformed about border crossings?
...a reporter was interviewing a group of drivers a couple days ago and they all agreed that 90% of those truckers participating in the "Protest" were vaccinated.
As I previously stated Here in the thread that the trolls derailed, 90% of the cross-border truckers in Canada have been vaccinated. As to whether 90% of the "protesters" have been vaccinated, I have my doubts.
Only convinces me more that there are outside influences in place.
