Frustration at people talking about blaming each other for making them sick when there is an origin to this virus and no one is holding them accountable. So before anyone takes a non vaccinated person to court there should be a higher accountability for the people responsible for this.
Frustration at people talking about blaming each other for making them sick when there is an origin to this virus and no one is holding them accountable. So before anyone takes a non vaccinated person to court there should be a higher accountability for the people responsible for this.
I'm with you there....but they didn't kill my grandmother(s).
Originally posted by Fats: ... I would like to suggest you attempt to limit your post length on replies, just go with a quick couple of sentences and see what happens. ...
Kind of like, "If you don't stop that, you'll grow hair on your hands." And probably about as effective.
I'm with you there....but they didn't kill my grandmother(s).
No it was a general response to the News saying that if you are unvaccinated you could put elderly people at risk Then the internet ran away with it and said the unvaccinated were killing their grandparents.
"This is yet another example of how, while authorities claim the vaccine isn’t mandatory, every basic existence and lifestyle function are being removed for those who don’t take the shot."
"This is yet another example of how, while authorities claim the vaccine isn’t mandatory, every basic existence and lifestyle function are being removed for those who don’t take the shot."
"Active Army achieves 98 percent vaccination rate with less than one percent refusal rate"
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The United States Army announced today that 468,459 active-component Soldiers have been vaccinated against COVID-19, fewer than 120 days after a vaccination mandate went into effect for all U.S. service members. That number represents 98 percent of the active-duty force who have received at least one dose of the vaccine, while 96 percent – a total of 461,209 Soldiers – are fully vaccinated. The Army is still processing thousands of exemption requests for those seeking medical or administrative exemptions, including religious exemptions.
The service established Dec. 15 as the goal for all Soldiers in active-duty Army units to be vaccinated. . . .
What is everyone's thoughts on the "vaccine" mandate?
It's bullsheet. About 3 dozen "Boosted" folks I know are currently sitting at home w/ Covid.
The dozen or so that aren't vaccinated have yet to get it.
I don't want a booster but I may need to in order to keep working.
BULLSHEET.
If it works, the booster or vaccine wouldn't keep you from getting it, it would only make the virus nasty effects weaker for you, and you alone. What I dont like is the idea being spread around that being vaccinated somehow reduces the spread or makes you somehow safer to be near to other people. If someone thinks that is indeed the case please explain how.
If it works, the booster or vaccine wouldn't keep you from getting it, it would only make the virus nasty effects weaker for you, and you alone. What I dont like is the idea being spread around that being vaccinated somehow reduces the spread or makes you somehow safer to be near to other people. If someone thinks that is indeed the case please explain how.
One thing that sucks is that those who have recently been "boosted" have been having a worse time because their body was still weakened, fighting against the "boost". Maybe if they had a few weeks to recover from the shot before catching it...
It's like "hey, If I kick you in the balls, it will make the NEXT time someone kicks you in the balls less severe, because you now will hold your hand in front of them...", but then ya kick the fella twice within a short period of time.
"Just Think of how much WORSE you'd feel if I didn't kick you that other time justnow!"
It's all a big fat headache is what it is.
Time for me to mask up and play the Covid roulette during my commute home.
Originally posted by 2.5: If it works, the booster or vaccine wouldn't keep you from getting it, it would only make the virus nasty effects weaker for you, and you alone.
This, is not true.
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Originally posted by 2.5:What I dont like is the idea being spread around that being vaccinated somehow reduces the spread or makes you somehow safer to be near to other people. If someone thinks that is indeed the case please explain how.
People who are vaccinated for SARS-CoV-2 but get breakthrough infections may be less likely to spread the virus because they shed it for a shorter period than unvaccinated people who are infected, according a new study led by Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health.
The researchers also determined that the Delta variant’s infectiousness is likely not due to high virus production in people who are infected, because it appears that virus production is similar across different SARS-CoV-2 variants.
The study was published online December 1, 2021 in the New England Journal of Medicine.
The article, which isn't "real long", continues from there.
I don't think that the omicron variant was relevant to this study, because the data was collected before omicron went viral (pun intended.)
The word "omicron" does not appear in this article, or in the research report that was just published in the New England Journal of Medicine. That's the research report on which this article is based.
"Breakthrough SARS-CoV-2 cases clear more quickly, less likely to spread infection over time"
Who in this group is a qualified Virologist? How about a Medical Professional of any kind?
There are those who "think" they have all kinds of answers based on their internet research. I'm thinking I'll keep taking my advice from my docs. My plumber offered his opinion the other day, once he was done, I flushed the toilet.
Who in this group is a qualified Virologist? How about a Medical Professional of any kind?
There are those who "think" they have all kinds of answers based on their internet research. I'm thinking I'll keep taking my advice from my docs. My plumber offered his opinion the other day, once he was done, I flushed the toilet.
Rams
This is why, except for the very occasional question, I stay out of these discussions. It is somewhere between amusing and disturbing to watch a bunch of truck drivers and network admin argue about biochemistry.
My plan for disease prevention has always been pretty simple: Stay away from the hookers.
We are pursuing the claim, but it will take time. The cancer problem around here was a case of malpractice. She had all the symptoms 3 years ago and it could have been caught very early, and a minor procedure instead of a life-altering battle that isnt over yet (possible hysterectomy in march). Instead her doc at the time couldn't be bothered investigating and kept prescribing her different meds.
Who in this group is a qualified Virologist? How about a Medical Professional of any kind?
There are those who "think" they have all kinds of answers based on their internet research. I'm thinking I'll keep taking my advice from my docs. My plumber offered his opinion the other day, once he was done, I flushed the toilet.
Rams
My idea in posting about that research from the T.H. Chan School of Public Health was not to offer a definitive answer as to whether unvaccinated people are a threat to vaccinated people.
My purpose was to invite forum members at large to engage in more than just momentary introspection about their own ideas and the confidence that they have invested (or vested) in their own ideas.
If properly read and understood, that message would have been perceived as--well, let me queue it up for you: https://youtu.be/mPPGMNOLaMw?t=159
"Namaste"
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My idea in posting about that research from the T.H. Chan School of Public Health was not to offer a definitive answer as to whether unvaccinated people are a threat to vaccinated people.
My purpose was to invite forum members at large to engage in more than just momentary introspection about their own ideas and the confidence that they have invested (or vested) in their own ideas.
If properly read and understood, that message would have been perceived as--well, let me queue it up for you: https://youtu.be/mPPGMNOLaMw?t=159
"Namaste"
That specific posting was not pointed directly at you although, it did include you. Exaggerations and outright lies have and continue to be told by various people without anything to back them up or using some crackpot "expert". Don't take it personally, wasn't meant as an insult, as least not one directed personally at you.
That specific posting was not pointed directly at you although, it did include you. Exaggerations and outright lies have and continue to be told by various people without anything to back them up or using some crackpot "expert". Don't take it personally, wasn't meant as an insult, as least not one directed personally at you.
Rams
I didn't take what "Rams" said very personally. I understood it just as he has describes it here. But I'm glad (in a small way) that it prompted me to explain myself, in so far as to why I posted that article. An invitation to "forum members at large . . ."
At home test panel display Covid negative Covid positive
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Who in this group is a qualified Virologist? How about a Medical Professional of any kind?
There are those who "think" they have all kinds of answers based on their internet research. I'm thinking I'll keep taking my advice from my docs. My plumber offered his opinion the other day, once he was done, I flushed the toilet.
Rams
Not me but I am concerned about long term issues for something that has not had proper testing. We have been lied to before, you can talk about science all you want, we do not really know what the drug companies are putting in this. There is an idea but we don't know. Hey remember that time a trusted government agency allowed a trusted pharmaceutical to give a bunch of people AIDS because it couldn't make a safe product? Funny when a pharmaceutical company in another country did it they suddenly found the money.
That aside, there has been so much back and forth. The news is no help and its very hard for anyone to know what is going on with limited access to the "Truth"
So I am very much against mandates. If they wanted to rid the world of Covid they would have been publishing the vaccine so everyone could reproduce it. Anything short of that is just abusing the crisis to get rich. Also for the record I have been vaccinated as has most of my family. But I will not put pressure on anyone that doesn't want to get it.
Not me but I am concerned about long term issues for something that has not had proper testing. We have been lied to before, you can talk about science all you want, we do not really know what the drug companies are putting in this. There is an idea but we don't know. Hey remember that time a trusted government agency allowed a trusted pharmaceutical to give a bunch of people AIDS because it couldn't make a safe product? Funny when a pharmaceutical company in another country did it they suddenly found the money.
That aside, there has been so much back and forth. The news is no help and its very hard for anyone to know what is going on with limited access to the "Truth"
So I am very much against mandates. If they wanted to rid the world of Covid they would have been publishing the vaccine so everyone could reproduce it. Anything short of that is just abusing the crisis to get rich. Also for the record I have been vaccinated as has most of my family. But I will not put pressure on anyone that doesn't want to get it.
Jake, I agree with much of what you just stated but, I also recognize that we also don't know the long-term effects of COVID (any for the variants). So, pick your path. I'm also not in favor of mandating with one very important exception and I also don't agree with OHSA enforcing vaccinations. I don't believe the CDC has the authority to mandate travel restrictions (with the exception of those crossing our borders) and I don't believe the President has the Constitutional authority to order such mandates on American citizens. Although I do believe the foreigners can be limited or restricted from crossing our borders legally.
I say all this while still being a proponent for vaccinations, I trust my multiple doctors. I also see and discuss this topic with others within the Research Group I am in to learn actual experiences of those who are involved. To this date, of the (over 100) folks I've conversed with, none have had a negative experience of significance with getting vaccinated. Although, a few have caught COVID since vaccination. All are still alive and doing well within that limited group. But, I've also attended four memorials for friends who refused vaccinations.
These are some of the reasons I don't appreciate some of the "quack" authorities I read about on this and other forums. IOWs, there's a lot of out there being spread around. People look for and then broadcast information to support their already conceived positions. The truth is out there, we just haven't discovered the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God. There may be multiple layers or versions of the truth but the fact is, we're each individuals and could have different reactions to any vaccine. There hasn't been a perfect vaccine, good for everyone, ever devised.
I've made my own decision on the vaccinations, actually, I made that decision before it was even an option for the public to receive vaccinations. Without volunteers, the research could not continue. That research is necessary unless we are willing to accept similar results to what we experienced during the Spanish Flu Pandemic. To me it's worth the risk if for no other reason than my own family and future generations.
While I am aware that I can catch and spread the virus, the numbers prove (to me) that I am less of a danger to others than an unvaccinated is who is also infected. Two things really piss me off, knowingly endangering others and those who do so with fake vaccination IDs. IMHO, those who use fake Vaccinations IDs should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
Rams
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How do you know someone approves of lying after claiming that they don't?
They claim to be against people spreading false info and yet NEVER call out official sources for lying, bending the truth or giving out misinformation.
How do you get someone to admit they actually approve of lying? They'll make conciliatory statements.
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We know Fauci was funding gain of function development in China. Is the injection program the next phase of the testing program?
There has been a steady stream of lies and misinformation coming from the government, Big Pharma and all the covidiots promoting the fear pron. From the beginning they've been pushing BS that they later admit was false.
"Millions will die!" Remember that one? "Two weeks to flatten the curve." "Vaccines are safe and effective." Those are just the most obvious examples, of course. "Two shots will protect you." No. No, it doesn't. "You have to have a booster a few months after your 2nd shot to be fully vaxed." Again, more BS. "It's only the unvaxed that are spreading covid."
The worst variants for most all disease comes from faulty medication use and reckless drug dispensing.
Why is Big Pharma asking to block FOIA requests for Covid shots for 75 years? It took a matter of months for the shots, but you aren't allowed to know anything for 75 years.
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Originally posted by sourmash: Why is Big Pharma asking to block FOIA requests for Covid shots for 75 years? It took a matter of months for the shots, but you aren't allowed to know anything for 75 years.
Fact #10 : FDA Will Release Almost All Of PHMPT Priority List By Jan 2022
PHMPT [Public Health and Medical Professionals for Transparency] appears to be cognisant that it is stupid to request for “everything” when most of the pages may not be relevant at all.
That’s why they sent the FDA a priority list of eight (8) items. And guess what – the US FDA said that they will be able to furnish seven (7) of those items by January 31, 2022!
So Aaron Siri’s [lawyer representing PHMPT] public griping about the FDA taking so long appears to be nothing more than theatre.
Opinion: 55 years to fulfill a [FOIA] records request? Clearly, the FDA needs serious reform of its data-sharing practices. Christopher J. Morten, Reshma Ramachandran, Joseph S. Ross and Amy Kapczynski for the Washington Post; December 13, 2021. https://www.washingtonpost....a-sharing-practices/
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FOIA is a major burden on the FDA, costing the agency $305 million between 2008 and 2017. By comparison, the Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research — the FDA center that evaluates vaccines and hundreds of other vital biologic products — has an annual budget of about $400 million.
There is a better way: The FDA should begin disclosing data, promptly and proactively, whenever it approves a new product, instead of inconsistently disclosing information made in reaction to FOIA requests. As some of us have shown, the FDA already has authority to change its rules and begin disclosing much more information on new approvals.
Rather than undertake line-by-line redaction, the FDA could make some data available in complete or near-complete form, subject to legal and technical constraints on data access and use. Proactive disclosure would permit the FDA to privilege noncommercial data uses likely to serve the public interest.
Proactive data sharing isn’t radical. The FDA’s counterparts in Canada and the European Union are already doing it. In fact, Health Canada has already posted some of the Pfizer vaccine data the researchers are seeking in their FOIA request, belying claims that the vaccine is unsafe.
That specific posting was not pointed directly at you although, it did include you. Exaggerations and outright lies have and continue to be told by various people without anything to back them up or using some crackpot "expert". Don't take it personally, wasn't meant as an insult, as least not one directed personally at you.
Rams
Haha Haha! You're the one in the discussion touting the opinions of the proven liars (to Congress, no less) and crackpot experts. At every turn they back-peddle from previous statements.
One of the leading causes of death in the West is from medical professionals. Seeing them has inherent risks.
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I said back when this started and NY and Michigan "Leaders" were being nuts that some Feathers and a bit of Tar would calm a lot of this crap down. It could still be useful IMO.
We don't have a pandemic. Seems that all injected people are getting Covid19 anyway, so these are garbage injections.
How many Smallpox injections does it require to still contract Smallpox?
It doesn't work that way with smallpox.
Smallpox vaccine is administered by puncturing the skin multiple times with a bifurcated needle containing a small quantity of vaccine. A small papule develops after 3 to 5 days, following the virus replication in the dermis. The papule evolves into a vesicular and pustular stage over 8 to 10 days.17 There is typically an indurated area surrounding the central lesion. This is followed by scab formation with development of a residual scar. The process of vesiculation and pustule formation defines a ‘take’ of the vaccine. The take is considered equivocal if a pustule, ulcer, or scab, does not develop at the vaccine site; revaccination is recommended in this situation.17 Skin reactions following revaccination tend to be milder and have an accelerated course.
SNIP
A more safe and effective method for smallpox control originated in the late 18th century when Dr. Edward Jenner of Gloucestershire, England noticed that milkmaids exposed to cowpox appeared to be immune to smallpox. He tested his hypothesis by inoculating a boy with cowpox pus and subsequently challenging him with smallpox. The experiment was a success, and Jenner prepared a paper describing this case along with 13 other individuals who had contracted either horsepox or cowpox before being exposed to smallpox. In one of the worst editorial decisions of all time, the Royal Society rejected the paper and suggested that Jenner cease his cowpox investigations.5 Jenner wisely ignored this advice, named the cowpox material the “vaccine virus”, and thus discovered the concept of vaccination.1, 6 Early smallpox vaccinations utilized pustular material from one vaccinated person to directly inoculate another person by scratching the material into the recipient's arm. Later improvements included the inoculation of cow flanks to obtain larger quantities of virus, and use of glycerol solution as a preservative.
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ADVERSE EFFECTS OF VACCINATION Frequency and Clinical Features Smallpox vaccine is less safe than other vaccines routinely used today. The vaccine is associated with known adverse effects that range from mild to severe. Mild vaccine reactions include formation of satellite lesions, fever, muscle aches, regional lymphadenopathy, fatigue, headache, nausea, rashes, and soreness at the vaccination site.13,18,19 A recent clinical trial reported that more than one-third of vaccine recipients missed days of work or school because of these mild vaccine-related symptoms.18
In the 1960s, serious adverse events associated with smallpox vaccination in the United States included death (1/million vaccinations), progressive vaccinia (1.5/million vaccinations), eczema vaccinatum (39/million vaccinations), postvaccinial encephalitis (12/million vaccinations), and generalized vaccinia (241/million vaccinations).20 Adverse events were approximately ten times more common among those vaccinated for the first time compared to revaccinees.20 Fatality rates were also four times higher for primary vaccinees compared to revaccinees.21
Inadvertent inoculation is the most common adverse event associated with smallpox vaccination. It occurred at a rate of 529 per million vaccinations in a 1968 study.20 Inadvertent or accidental inoculation usually occurs when a person transfers the vaccinia virus from the vaccination site to another location on their body, usually the eyes, mouth, nose, or genitalia.20,22 Most lesions resolve without therapy, but vaccinia immune globulin (VIG) may be useful for difficult lesions. VIG can be considered for use in patients with severe ocular vaccinia, but it may increase the risk of corneal scarring.17,23
Progressive vaccinia (a.k.a. vaccinia necrosum, vaccinia gangrenosum) is defined as an uncontrolled replication of vaccinia virus at the vaccination site that leads to a slow and progressive necrosis of surrounding tissue.24 Satellite necrotic lesions typically develop, and ultimately vaccinia virus may be found in other tissues and organs.24 This condition typically affects individuals with incompetent immune systems.24,25 The cardinal clinical signs of progressive vaccinia include an unhealed vaccination site >15 days post vaccination, and the lack of inflammation or an immune response at the vaccination site.24,25 Untreated progressive vaccinia is fatal, but treatment with VIG or the antiviral cidofovir may be effective in some cases.24,25 VIG and thiosemicarbazone treatment in the late 1960s and 1970s reduced the fatality rate for progressive vaccinia from near 100% to 33%.23,25,26 Surgical debridement or amputation may also provide some benefit.24, 25
Eczema vaccinatum is a cutaneous dissemination of vaccinia virus that usually occurs in persons with pre-existing skin disease. It is typically mild and self-limited, but it may be severe or fatal, especially in young children. Death is usually caused by extensive viral dissemination, fluid and electrolyte imbalance, and bacterial sepsis.25,27 Treatment with VIG or antivirals may be effective in some cases.25 Supportive care used for burn victims may help retain proper fluid and electrolyte balance and reduce mortality from eczema vaccinatum.2 Improvements in intensive care therapy during the 1960s likely contributed to the lowering of the fatality rate for eczema vaccinatum from 10% to 1% to 2%.26,27
Post-vaccinial encephalitis is a rare adverse event that frequently leads to death, especially in infants and young children. Reported case fatality rates range from 9% to 40%.25,28 Ten to twenty-five percent of surviving patients have permanent neurologic sequelae.25,28 No predisposing conditions have been identified for this condition, and treatment with VIG has little to no effect.21,23,25
Generalized vaccinia results from blood-borne dissemination of vaccinia virus.23,25 Patients affected with this condition have a generalized rash that is typically self-limited and requires no therapy. VIG can be administered to speed recovery.23,25 This condition may occur in immunosuppressed individuals, but it can also affect those without any underlying illness or risk factors.25. Hmm Sound familiar? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.go...articles/PMC1069029/
There is a lot of known, accepted and proven research out there if you look.
Rams
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The Smallpox vaccine is a vaccine. It also works, unlike the mRNA injections for coronavirus which are so ineffective that they approve boosters 2 weeks after being 'fully vaccinated' and it is still in the standard experimental trials timeline.
The Smallpox vaccine is a vaccine. It also works, unlike the mRNA injections for coronavirus which are so ineffective that they approve boosters 2 weeks after being 'fully vaccinated' and it is still in the standard experimental trials timeline.
Apparently you didn't read the provided information, go to the provided site or do any investigation. No vaccine is safe for everyone. Even the smallpox vaccine is only good for a limited time. Initially, the smallpox vaccine was rejected by medical authorities but, look where it's at now. While I don't believe COVID 19 will ever completely leave the human species (it will continue to mutate), I do expect the vaccines currently being used and re-developed will control it and it's spread. You don't have to believe that, it's your choice. But, both smallpox and COVID 19 are spread in a similar manner.
Apparently you didn't read the provided information, go to the provided site or do any investigation. No vaccine is safe for everyone. Even the smallpox vaccine is only good for a limited time. Initially, the smallpox vaccine was rejected by medical authorities but, look where it's at now. While I don't believe COVID 19 will ever completely leave the human species (it will continue to mutate), I do expect the vaccines currently being used and re-developed will control it and it's spread. You don't have to believe that, it's your choice. But, both smallpox and COVID 19 are spread in a similar manner.
Rams
The mRNA injections are largely and admittedly subpar by a long shot. Their effectiveness is nowhere near comparable to ALL major and regular actual vaccines.
At every turn the effectiveness is adjusted downwards to only months. Israel released a statement of 35% effective rate.
People still get covid and some die from it.
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A lot of uninjected people haven't died from Covid19. There is absolutely no way to determine how an injected person would have reacted to a covid infection had they not gotten an injection.
Reports are saying the injections don't protect from Omicron. Reports say people who acquired Covid have natural immunity from Omicron.
Something doesn't add up. Either the first reports are a scam to fill Pharma pockets with new injection developement money or the injections do almost nothing for most people.
The pattern has been misinformation, false claims and misrepresentation from official sources.
Covid positive
out there being spread around. People look for and then broadcast information to support their already conceived positions. The truth is out there, we just haven't discovered the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God. There may be multiple layers or versions of the truth but the fact is, we're each individuals and could have different reactions to any vaccine. There hasn't been a perfect vaccine, good for everyone, ever devised.
