The sheriff or whoever, who gave a news conference after the killing at the roadblock said it. He said 'anyone still at the compound is free to leave without the threat of arrest '. Im busy and dont have the time to search for it for you. You find it yourself. Those that did leave were all arrested, and the final holdouts all were also arrested yesterday.....They even arrested Bundys father in Washington state at the airport, who wasnt even there.
The sheriff or whoever, who gave a news conference after the killing at the roadblock said it. He said 'anyone still at the compound is free to leave without the threat of arrest '. Im busy and dont have the time to search for it for you. You find it yourself. Those that did leave were all arrested, and the final holdouts all were also arrested yesterday.....They even arrested Bundys father in Washington state at the airport, who wasnt even there.
Cliven Bundy was arrested and charged (with reason listed) ... Page 11, look it up, or is one click too much work?
Originally posted by jaskispyder: Cliven Bundy was arrested and charged (with reason listed) ... Page 11, look it up, or is one click too much work?
Yes it is. I only said they arrested anyone they could that had any relation to the occupation. The Sheriffs name was Palmer. To avoid any further problems, like saying he wasnt aware of the 'ambush', he hasnt said a word since the news conference, and wont respond to any question about anything from any media. He pretty much just shut up, as you should also do.
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Originally posted by rogergarrison: Yes it is. I only said they arrested anyone they could that had any relation to the occupation. The Sheriffs name was Palmer. To avoid any further problems, like saying he wasnt aware of the 'ambush', he hasnt said a word since the news conference, and wont respond to any question about anything from any media. He pretty much just shut up, as you should also do.
Greg Bretzing, FBI special agent in charge of the agency's Portland office, said that the remaining occupiers were "free to leave" the refuge and would be identified at checkpoints manned by law enforcement.
Greg Bretzing, FBI special agent in charge of the agency's Portland office, said that the remaining occupiers were "free to leave" the refuge and would be identified at checkpoints manned by law enforcement.
Good evening. My name is Greg Bretzing, and I am the Special Agent in Charge of the FBI in Oregon.
We have quite a bit of information to share with you tonight concerning the occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.
First, I would like to confirm that as of this morning one more person left the refuge through a checkpoint. We believe there are four others who currently remain on the refuge. Since the establishment of checkpoints, a total of nine people have left the refuge. Of those, the FBI released six and arrested three.
Secondly, I would like to confirm that the FBI and Oregon State Police have narrowed the containment zones. This was done to make it more convenient for those who live and work in the immediate area of the refuge to go about their business. To this end, Highway 205 is now open in both directions.
There has been some media reporting that the situation at the refuge is resolved. That is NOT true. Again, we still believe there are occupiers on the refuge. The negotiators continue to work around the clock to talk to those four people in an effort to get them to come out peacefully....
He will do anything, to show that his world view is right, even morality won't get in his way. He is the very definition of Lenin's "useful idiot".
You mean like quoting sources and highlighting statements? Imagine that... asking someone to back up their statements. Truth is out there, unless it doesn't fit YOUR AGENDA.
You mean like quoting sources and highlighting statements? Imagine that... asking someone to back up their statements. Truth is out there, unless it doesn't fit YOUR AGENDA.
You call Roger a liar, and there is a high probability that either Sheriff Ward or Palmer relayed that message to the occupiers. The sheriff's acted as a go between, just no one wants to spend hours to appease you. Even then you won't accept the Government did anything wrong.
BTW.. The "Government" that saved them, was not the Federal Government, it was a STATE assembly woman. I don't recall anyone having a problem with the state governments, just the FEDS acting outside their mandates.
Also, exactly what could the occupiers have done otherwise, to get apathetic Americans away from their TV? They had to make mainstream media, and not just a foot note.
I will not and do not support Black lives matter, no more than I would support white people burning Saint Louis for Finicum.
Roger lied. Your post shows that and I thanked you.
Where did I say the government did nothing wrong? That would be a lie from you.
Yes, big bad government saved these guys. FBI (FEDERAL) saved them. Local saved them. Frankly, they would have come out shooting if it wasn't for the patience of big bad government. When one man (with a death wish) pulls a weapon, somehow it is the government's fault?
They will go down in history as militants... anti-government nut jobs. Their original claim will be lost because of their antics and words from those like Fry. They lost the legal side of the battle, so they raised arms against the government. That logic should make you cringe. They are not above the law, even if they believe it was unfair, there are ways to still work within it, to correct it. That is what sane individuals do.
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You call Roger a liar, and there is a high probability that either Sheriff Ward or Palmer relayed that message to the occupiers. The sheriff's acted as a go between, just no one wants to spend hours to appease you. Even then you won't accept the Government did anything wrong.
BTW.. The "Government" that saved them, was not the Federal Government, it was a STATE assembly woman. I don't recall anyone having a problem with the state governments, just the FEDS acting outside their mandates.
Also, exactly what could the occupiers have done otherwise, to get apathetic Americans away from their TV? They had to make mainstream media, and not just a foot note.
I will not and do not support Black lives matter, no more than I would support white people burning Saint Louis for Finicum.
Roger lied. Your post shows that and I thanked you.
Where did I say the government did nothing wrong? That would be a lie from you.
Yes, big bad government saved these guys. FBI (FEDERAL) saved them. Local saved them. Frankly, they would have come out shooting if it wasn't for the patience of big bad government. When one man (with a death wish) pulls a weapon, somehow it is the government's fault?
They will go down in history as militants... anti-government nut jobs. Their original claim will be lost because of their antics and words from those like Fry. They lost the legal side of the battle, so they raised arms against the government. That logic should make you cringe. They are not above the law, even if they believe it was unfair, there are ways to still work within it, to correct it. That is what sane individuals do.
Listen to the live stream, its still up, just a recording now of course. The FEDS had zero patience, and they were gonna end it one way or another. They did every action possible to force them out, either hands up or shooting. It was ending. The live stream tied the feds hands. Don't thank the feds, they were playing waco again.
Listen to the live stream, its still up, just a recording now of course. The FEDS had zero patience, and they were gonna end it one way or another. They did every action possible to force them out, either hands up or shooting. It was ending. The live stream tied the feds hands. Don't thank the feds, they were playing waco again.
Link above.... Patience: The FBI's Strategy to End the Oregon Standoff and Nab Cliven Bundy
Read it... they were VERY patient. They could have just gone in there and dragged them out. How many days should we have let this militants hold this property? They were not going to have their demands met.
Link above.... Patience: The FBI's Strategy to End the Oregon Standoff and Nab Cliven Bundy
Read it... they were VERY patient. They could have just gone in there and dragged them out. How many days should we have let this militants hold this property? They were not going to have their demands met.
Control was given to the FBI by Sheriff Ward and they acted rapidly when the Governor of Oregon told them to end it. Basically, once they got a green light, they couldn't wait.
Jan 21st (green light) http://www.oregonlive.com/o...ses_top_federal.html Jan 26th Finicum dead Then a regroup and a raid on a tent Feb 11th. Not, months and months of patience, just time to get assets in place. The FBI did not have the lead, till Sheriff ward washed his hands of it.
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As stated in my article, lots of opportunities (and time) for the militants to leave. LaVoy was not killed by FBI, but by STATE police. Even the towns folk were tired of the militants. At least they got Cliven.
But I know... there is a big government conspiracy at foot, right?
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Jan 21st (green light) http://www.oregonlive.com/o...ses_top_federal.html Jan 26th Finicum dead Then a regroup and a raid on a tent Feb 11th. Not, months and months of patience, just time to get assets in place. The FBI did not have the lead, till Sheriff ward washed his hands of it.
As stated in my article, lots of opportunities (and time) for the militants to leave. LaVoy was not killed by FBI, but by STATE police. Even the towns folk were tired of the militants. At least they got Cliven.
But I know... there is a big government conspiracy at foot, right?
Lavoy was killed in a joint FBI/OSP operation. A good portion of the town folks, not somehow related to government jobs, stated they agreed with the Bundy's stance, just not their actions. Cliven, would have never been arrested had he not tried to "rally the troops". They didn't want the "movement" growing. Also, there is no conspiracy, there is only a federal government acting outside its mandate. Which is ok with you, as long at they get people you don't like. Guess what, they will come after people you like sooner or later.
What lie idiot ? He said exactly what I said he said. He spoke clear english. I was thinking the Sheriff said it, but it was the FBI guy in charge..I made only that mistake and its inconsequential. Sheriff Palmer still refuses to talk to anyone about anything. The newspaper states that. again this IS exactly what I said was said right after the ambush. So if saying the sheriff said it make me a liar in your mind, OK. So the guy in charge said it.
"Greg Bretzing, FBI special agent in charge of the agency's Portland office, said that the remaining occupiers were "free to leave" the refuge and would be identified at checkpoints manned by law enforcement."
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Cliven is a criminal.... militants are criminals. Declaring war on your government... not a smart thing if you have no legal case.
You actually think that people with government jobs are agreeing with the government because of their job? Yeah.. how about they are smart enough to know a nut when when they see one.
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Lavoy was killed in a joint FBI/OSP operation. A good portion of the town folks, not somehow related to government jobs, stated they agreed with the Bundy's stance, just not their actions. Cliven, would have never been arrested had he not tried to "rally the troops". They didn't want the "movement" growing. Also, there is no conspiracy, there is only a federal government acting outside its mandate. Which is ok with you, as long at they get people you don't like. Guess what, they will come after people you like sooner or later.
" how about they are smart enough to know a nut when when they see one."
Well apparently thats a lie. Obuma is still in office. Talk about liars....Whats with you anyway, do you get a payday from Obuma or someone in the administration. Sure sounds like you probably do. Yes, Im against EVERYTHING this nincompoop jackazz of a president has or is doing and proud of it. I dont even give him the respect to say his name or capitalize president when referring to him. No tears lost here if he drops dead from an aneurysm today. In fact Id sponsor a block party.
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What lie idiot ? He said exactly what I said he said. He spoke clear english. I was thinking the Sheriff said it, but it was the FBI guy in charge..I made only that mistake and its inconsequential. Sheriff Palmer still refuses to talk to anyone about anything.
Sheriff didn't say it and you were too lazy or you knew you didn't have the facts straight. I asked for a link and you told me to find it myself. You lied and were caught. No biggie, many of your "accounts of the fact" are incorrect in one form or another and that is why I ask for a link.
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The sheriff or whoever, who gave a news conference after the killing at the roadblock said it. He said 'anyone still at the compound is free to leave without the threat of arrest '. Im busy and dont have the time to search for it for you. You find it yourself. Those that did leave were all arrested, and the final holdouts all were also arrested yesterday.....They even arrested Bundys father in Washington state at the airport, who wasnt even there.
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Originally posted by rogergarrison: Yes it is. I only said they arrested anyone they could that had any relation to the occupation. The Sheriffs name was Palmer. To avoid any further problems, like saying he wasnt aware of the 'ambush', he hasnt said a word since the news conference, and wont respond to any question about anything from any media. He pretty much just shut up, as you should also do.
Cliven is a criminal.... militants are criminals. Declaring war on your government... not a smart thing if you have no legal case.
You actually think that people with government jobs are agreeing with the government because of their job? Yeah.. how about they are smart enough to know a nut when when they see one.
Got it, you think the founding fathers were criminal. Yes, I think the townspeople were smart enough to keep their mouths shut, or speak favorably of the employers position, while they have decent paying, comfy jobs, in a economically depressed area.
Hello... to the Brits, yes the founding fathers were criminals. LOL!
You have a group of militants declaring war (Fry) against YOUR COUNTRY and you support them. yeah.... ok.
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Got it, you think the founding fathers were criminal. Yes, I think the townspeople were smart enough to keep their mouths shut, or speak favorably of the employers position, while they have decent paying, comfy jobs, in a economically depressed area.
I didnt keep track of every face on the tv. I thought it was the sheriff, since he seemed in charge. Get over it. Im glad you find that a lie instead of a simple mistake. Explain all the stupid, ignorant crap Obuma does with the same 'vision'.
Hello... to the Brits, yes the founding fathers were criminals. LOL!
You have a group of militants declaring war (Fry) against YOUR COUNTRY and you support them. yeah.... ok.
I said fry was a nut job. Fry wasn't there because of the Hammonds, he was there because of conspiracy theories and ohio not passing the legal weed act. He almost got everyone killed that night. The rest of them were there because of Tyranny.
As far as the Brits, if one acknowledges natural rights, the British were criminals, and the founding father were within there rights, to stand against. The same with the occupiers, the Federal government was outside the law, and violating natural rights. I don't agree with how they stood against, a unarmed sit in, outside of federal buildings, would have been wiser, but even so. They were occupying land the government can not legally own.
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Theyre glorified (by themselves) but are really not much more than park rangers, under the guise of 'taking care of it' for the public. I have no problem with the US at all, ONLY the current traitorous administration...from the white house and secretary of state on down.
Theyre glorified (by themselves) but are really not much more than park rangers, under the guise of 'taking care of it' for the public. I have no problem with the US at all, ONLY the current traitorous administration...from the white house and secretary of state on down.
When you say only the current, do you mean the most current or our contemporary government?
During the days of the USSR any one that voiced opposition to the government either ended up dead or "disappeared". I do think it strange that the same thing seems to happen here.
Bullet hole on LaVoy Finicum's truck traced to elite FBI team:
BEND – Something didn't seem right about the bullet hole in the top of Robert "LaVoy" Finicum's white Dodge pickup.
Investigators from the Deschutes County Sheriff's Office could account for bullet holes in the left front hood, the driver's side mirror and the front grille. They came from the automatic weapon of a state trooper who had fired three times at the truck as Finicum raced at 70 mph toward a police roadblock on Jan. 26.
The angle of a fourth bullet hole didn't match the others.
An elaborate computer analysis, a review of the FBI aerial video of the shooting scene and a video from a passenger in Finicum's pickup produced a result that startled the team poring over evidence into Finicum's fatal shooting that day.
The fourth round, police concluded, was fired by an FBI agent who subsequently twice denied to investigators ever firing his gun. As the investigation proceeded, detectives determined he also fired a second time, but didn't hit anything at the scene.
The discovery of that gunfire and conduct afterward by the agent and four other agents have triggered a criminal investigation that could result in the prosecution of all five. The agents all serve on the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team. Authorities on Tuesday released few details about the matter and didn't identify the agents by name.
But the disclosure is a jolt to the FBI. The Oregon investigators two weeks ago flew to Washington, D.C., to directly brief top FBI officials about their findings. The U.S. Justice Department's Office of Inspector General is now investigating along with the Deschutes County Sheriff's Office. The Inspector General's Office, which is separate from the FBI, doesn't discuss active investigations.
As the 41-day takeover of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge unfolded, the violent outcomes of standoffs at Idaho's Ruby Ridge and in Waco, Texas, were on the minds of law enforcement, occupiers and self-styled militia. No one wanted to trigger a confrontation similar to those events, which resulted in the deaths of civilians and led to harsh criticism of federal agents.
Detectives investigating the Finicum shooting questioned the five FBI agents at least twice, including the night of the shooting. Such questioning is standard for officer-involved shootings.
The Hostage Rescue Team is among the FBI's most elite outfits. The members have no other job but to work full time as a SWAT-style group, operating from the FBI base in Quantico, Virginia. The team is the FBI's global resource for anti-terrorism operations, but it also is selectively deployed across the country to deal with hostage situations or other unique crises.
One investigator working on the task force pulled together by the Deschutes County Sheriff's Office reported that he had been told soon after the shooting that two state troopers and two FBI agents had fired. He said the FBI agents approached him later to say they hadn't fired their weapons.
In separate interviews later that night, those two FBI agents and the other three on duty at the shooting scene said they hadn't discharged their weapons and repeated these statements in a second round of interviews Feb. 5, investigators reported.
The second time, the agents insisted that an attorney be present and that they be given an opportunity to "reference their prior statements" if they were going to be asked questions they had already answered in the first interview.
"Of particular concern to all of us is that the HRT (Hostage Rescue Team) operators did not disclose their shots to our investigators or their superiors," said Deschutes County Sheriff Shane Nelson in a prepared statement. "Nor did they discuss specific actions they took after the shooting, which are the subject of an ongoing investigation."
Authorities haven't described those "specific actions."
Nelson said "conclusive evidence" about the agents' conduct was presented to U.S. Attorney Bill Williams in Bend on Feb. 18. The next day, the evidence was shown to Greg Bretzing, special agent in charge of the Portland FBI office. On Feb. 20, agents from the Justice Department's inspector general and the FBI's Inspections Division traveled to Bend to review the evidence.
Americans murdered in the name of federal government overreach. I had previously thought the shooting was justified until watching video from inside the white truck. I hope something positive comes out of this.
From the two audio quotes in that article it sounded to me like a request for martyrdom. I still wish that it could have ended peacefully. I saw nothing the entire time that would require a death sentence. Sad.
Imagine that... asking someone to back up their statements. Truth is out there, unless it doesn't fit YOUR AGENDA.
