Since the main religion of Malaysia is Islam and the investigation is admitting that the most likely scenario is hijacking, Iran seems a likely destination to me. North Korea would come in second for me. I'd also like to hear from the TSA bashers to see if they think the TSA is still way over the top?
Edit: Oops! Fixed to say TSA not NSA
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I started over the weekend as well. It has a few annoying bugs but other then that, it's a neat idea.
The only problem with having people help in the search this way, is that people are stupid. I just had a look at what people tag. Boats. I mean, not something that resembles a boat if you squint your eyes. The only thing that could make it more obvious that these things are boats is if they had a big ass label next to it saying "boat". And then lots of people agreeing this might be something of interest.
Originally posted by carnut122: I'd also like to hear from the NSA bashers to see if they think the NSA is still way over the top?
The NSA did not stop the Boston Marathon bombing despite two warnings from Russia for the exact guys responsible. The NSA did not stop the Times Square attempt. The NSA does not know what happened to Flight MH-370 even though their capabilities were designed for use in the surveillance overseas.
If it was pilot suicide as many suspect, the pilot would know the ocean leaves a debris trail to the evidence. Suicide voids insurance policies. So if you were a pilot wanting to commit suicide without being obvious, wouldn't you crash into a small, uninhabited island where jungle growth would soon hide any evidence of impact?
imo, unless the goal was to protract the search, ditching or crashing in the middle of the indian ocean doesn't make sense either. whoever did this could just as easily have put down before changing course. somebody wanted that airplane.
Totally agree with you. It dont make any sense that someone wanted to kill themselves or passengers. They could have just dived it straight down where they were. No reason to go flying all over that part of the world to find a spot. I have no thoughts whether it was the pilots or a passenger who did it, but to me its perfectly obvious they wanted the plane, not to kill themselves. Theres is no other logical reason for the plane doing what it did. I dont think the Malaysian government or airline has anything at all to do with anything.
Since the main religion of Malaysia is Islam and the investigation is admitting that the most likely scenario is hijacking, Iran seems a likely destination to me. North Korea would come in second for me. I'd also like to hear from the NSA bashers to see if they think the NSA is still way over the top?
Yes, they are still way over the top, but Why--have they stopped snooping on everyone's phone calls and emails? Have they stopped lying to the American public and congress? (not rhetorical questions)
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Some have speculated that the theft of an aircraft might have been the goal, but it could just as easily been a kidnapping operation. Maybe nobody wanted an aircraft, but rather wanted someone on that aircraft. One possibility: http://media.freescale.com/...D=1907348&highlight= Remember that the answer doesn't have to be likely, merely possible.
Eh, The last words you will hear is Boss, Da Plane, Da Plane......... As it shows up 500ft off the deck and 500ft in front of the Oval Office with the engines screaming at FULL THROTTLE.
Sorry I am just poking fun, I think the whole pilot suicide theory is out too lunch, too many crew that would have stopped him. Some diaper head probably found some new semi solid material that could be activated into a gas to incapacitate the crew and passengers then took the plan for a joyride.
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Some have speculated that the theft of an aircraft might have been the goal, but it could just as easily been a kidnapping operation. Maybe nobody wanted an aircraft, but rather wanted someone on that aircraft. One possibility: http://media.freescale.com/...D=1907348&highlight= Remember that the answer doesn't have to be likely, merely possible.
Freescale Semiconductor was once the Semiconductor Products Sector of Motorola:
If it was pilot suicide as many suspect, the pilot would know the ocean leaves a debris trail to the evidence. Suicide voids insurance policies. So if you were a pilot wanting to commit suicide without being obvious, wouldn't you crash into a small, uninhabited island where jungle growth would soon hide any evidence of impact?
You are right that the driving force to keep flying (when suicide is the motive) is the insurance policy. If the pilot wanted to commit suicide (and wants the insurance policy to pay) he would want it to be as hard as possible for anyone to find the black boxes. If they are found, they will point to suicide...if they aren't found, it gets very hard to prove it. The battery on black boxes lasts about 30 days, and in ideal conditions can be detected about 500 miles away. If they can't be tracked down in that timeframe, in deep water, they will likely never be found. Crashing on an island, there is always the possibility the black boxes will survive. If this is the scenario (suicide), the pilot would crash the plane where it will best hide the evidence.
Based on the current speculative info, my money is on a pilot (or co-pilot) suicide in the middle of the Indian Ocean.
now they're reporting that based on ACARS engine-status pings it either turned north, last located ~8am local time on an arc going north from NE corner of thailand, near the border with china and vietnam, or south, on an arc going south from jakarta, indonesia. the thai-china-vietnam area is heavily militarized, and hence well covered with radar. the jakarta area has thin radar coverage. there seem to have been no further acars pings.
the quality of reporting on this is abysmal. speculation released as news, dribs and drabs, ad revenues must be through the roof.
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I quickly realized that SIA68 (another 777) was in the immediate vicinity as the missing MH370 flight at precisely the same time. Moreover, SIA68 was en-route on a heading towards the same IGREX waypoint on airway P628 that the Malaysian military radar had shown MH370 headed towards at precisely the same time.
It is my belief that MH370 likely flew in the shadow of SIA68 through India and Afghanistan airspace. As MH370 was flying “dark” without transponder / ADS-B output, SIA68 would have had no knowledge that MH370 was anywhere around and as it entered Indian airspace, it would have shown up as one single blip on the radar with only the transponder information of SIA68 lighting up ATC and military radar screens.
Worth a read in my opinion, as it answers some questions about the strangeness of the flight path.
The NSA did not stop the Boston Marathon bombing despite two warnings from Russia for the exact guys responsible. The NSA did not stop the Times Square attempt. The NSA does not know what happened to Flight MH-370 even though their capabilities were designed for use in the surveillance overseas.
Yes, they are still way over the top, but Why--have they stopped snooping on everyone's phone calls and emails? Have they stopped lying to the American public and congress? (not rhetorical questions)
the connection to marx's birthday, while tenuous, might be interesting. it could imply either communists, or anti-communists. unclear. could mean anything, or nothing.
I think its time someone starts a betting pool.... first on where the plane is (either landed, shot down or crashed on its own) and 2nd on how many passengers are either executed or dead.
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Does the computer on a plane control cabin pressure?
Long stretch here… Way long stretch… But with how sophisticated planes are today, computers control everything, including, in some cases the landing. What if a central component of the system was hacked? Systematically shut down all communication and transponders, send erroneous alerts to the pilots to confuse them while depressurizing the cabin to incapacitate the pilots, crews and passengers. Then enter no autopilot coordinates, fly and land the plane where you want it.
Way farfetched, but people claim to be able to hack cars… Compared to planes, a car’s computer is a calculator…
If the intent was to steal it, weaponize it, and use it, what do you suppose the turnaround time frame is? A few days, weeks?
Unless they can completely surprise without being seen heading to their target.... becuase I would hope places are on the lookout now.... Wouldnt they wait quite a while for things to get quiet down? But then again theyd need to do it before the plane gets found. That plane likely needs a long runway, couldnt the long runways all be checked?
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Anywhere that has a long enough landing strip (even a stretch of highway) will prob have a building to hide it in, or just camoflage it outside. A country friendly to the highjacker wouldnt tell you if they had it, like Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, China. If they snuck in under radar, it would be easy and within the range to land it in Austrailian outback. Theres a lot of nearly deserted roads that run straight for tens of miles.
Anywhere that has a long enough landing strip (even a stretch of highway) will prob have a building to hide it in, or just camoflage it outside. A country friendly to the highjacker wouldnt tell you if they had it, like Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, China. If they snuck in under radar, it would be easy and within the range to land it in Austrailian outback. Theres a lot of nearly deserted roads that run straight for tens of miles.
The problem with that theory is the roads are not capable of handling the phsical weight of the aircraft. I could land but it would be stuck once it came to a full stop. I am putting my money on the plane being in Pakistan or Iran. Those countries seem like prime candidates for supporting a terrorist organizations agenda. Thats just my two cents.
Unless they can completely surprise without being seen heading to their target.... becuase I would hope places are on the lookout now.... Wouldnt they wait quite a while for things to get quiet down? But then again theyd need to do it before the plane gets found. That plane likely needs a long runway, couldnt the long runways all be checked?
Now, yes, but hrs after the last communication, not so much, especially if the landing site was in the opposite direction. If you look at the link I posted (interactive map) of runways in that region, there appear to be several hundred--maybe more.
Now, yes, but hrs after the last communication, not so much, especially if the landing site was in the opposite direction. If you look at the link I posted (interactive map) of runways in that region, there appear to be several hundred--maybe more.
It does leave alot of options, especially when it would be being hidden on purpose.
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found this Boeing 777-200
Seating This aircraft seats up to 440 passengers, which is far more than the average for all Jet Jets & Prop Planes.
Range The Boeing 777-200 can fly nonstop for up to 5,240 nautical mi, which is 2,125 nautical mi more than the average for all Jet Jets & Prop Planes. For reference: NYC to Los Angeles - 2127 nautical miles NYC to London - 3016 nautical miles NYC to Tokyo - 5854 nautical miles
Basic Operating Weight This weight includes crew and most vital fluids, but excludes fuel and payload. 294,050 lbs Max Takeoff Weight Maximum weight allowed for takeoff. This number will be slightly less than the max ramp weight. 545,000 lbs Max Landing Weight Under normal (non-emergency) conditions, the maximum weight an aircraft may have upon landing. 445,000 lbs Max Payload This is the maximum weight allowable for all passengers and their luggage, with a minimum fuel load. Range will be limited. 125,950 lbs Max Zero Fuel Weight 420,000 lbs Useable Fuel Capacity The amount of fuel that is available to the aircraft while in level flight. 207,700 lbs Fuel Volume (gal) Fuel tank capacity. 31,000 gal External Dimensions Height (At Tail) 60'9 Length (Overall) 209'1 Wingspan 199
Just guessing here but, it appears the Langoliers has been ruled out by this board?
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Anywhere that has a long enough landing strip (even a stretch of highway) will prob have a building to hide it in, or just camoflage it outside. A country friendly to the highjacker wouldnt tell you if they had it, like Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, China. If they snuck in under radar, it would be easy and within the range to land it in Austrailian outback. Theres a lot of nearly deserted roads that run straight for tens of miles.
That's what I was thinking. If they actually stole the thing they have thought out how to hide it in the short term but once we know what we are looking for, it would have to be inside.
Did I read correctly that you can land a 777 in 6500 ft on dry asphalt?
Did I read correctly that you can land a 777 in 6500 ft on dry asphalt?
1) Probably yes, if the plane is lightly loaded or you are very good.
2) Assuming that the load capacity of the asphalt is high enough that you don't simply plant the main gear at touchdown. I think the current FAA runway standards for the 777's weight category require that the entire touchdown zone be constructed of steel-reinforced concrete 12 feet thick in order to sustain repeated landing loads with some adequate safety margin.
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1) Probably yes, if the plane is lightly loaded or you are very good.
2) Assuming that the load capacity of the asphalt is high enough that you don't simply plant the main gear at touchdown. I think the current FAA runway standards for the 777's weight category require that the entire touchdown zone be constructed of steel-reinforced concrete 12 feet thick in order to sustain repeated landing loads with some adequate safety margin.
With dozers laser-guided so it's as level as possible. I was working at Airborne Express when they built a new runway for 767's.
Originally posted by 2.5: found this Boeing 777-200
Seating This aircraft seats up to 440 passengers, which is far more than the average for all Jet Jets & Prop Planes.
Range The Boeing 777-200 can fly nonstop for up to 5,240 nautical mi, which is 2,125 nautical mi more than the average for all Jet Jets & Prop Planes. For reference: NYC to Los Angeles - 2127 nautical miles NYC to London - 3016 nautical miles NYC to Tokyo - 5854 nautical miles
Two interesting points that I read but don't have a good link to confirm anywhere (so take with a grain of salt) is this was a 777-200ER, which stands for Extended Range: http://www.boeing.com/boein...f/pf_200product.page It has increased thrust, fuel capacity, maximum takeoff weight, and range.
Second was that a number of seats were blocked off, indicating the cargo bay was more heavily loaded. I believe the estimates were in the 4000lb range given an average passenger and the number of non-usable seats.
I still think its interesting that no one has claimed responsibility and made demands. If it was stolen you need a network of people to pull it off.. If you want to re-use it some how, even more.. I wouldn't think you could just sell it as its not like some little 2 seat private prop.
Of course if the pilot or co-pilot just wanted to die, then you dont need any of that.
Two interesting points that I read but don't have a good link to confirm anywhere (so take with a grain of salt) is this was a 777-200ER, which stands for Extended Range: http://www.boeing.com/boein...f/pf_200product.page It has increased thrust, fuel capacity, maximum takeoff weight, and range.
Second was that a number of seats were blocked off, indicating the cargo bay was more heavily loaded. I believe the estimates were in the 4000lb range given an average passenger and the number of non-usable seats.
About right for someone shipping a car by air. (That almost happened to me when I shipped my Porsche 911S from Germany to the U.S. in 1969. I dropped my car off with the shipper at the Hamburg airport ... which was allowed ... but due to language difficulties the junior agent who received it started filling out the paperwork to transport the car by air rather than by ship. It was only when I recognized a Lufthansa flight number ... upside down ... that I realized what was about to happen. This was back when the Boeing 707 was still the dominant long-haul airliner; i don't know whether my 2195 pound car would have fit or not. I know the bill would not have fit my budget.)
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There are doors on a 777 ER passenger jet that will accommodate the size of a vehicle? I figured there might be on the freighter configuration but haven't paid much attention to how the passenger jet may be laid out.
(Hey he asked). 
