• Fact #1: All Boeing 777 commercial jets are equipped with black box recorders that can survive any on-board explosion
No explosion from the plane itself can destroy the black box recorders. They are bomb-proof structures that hold digital recordings of cockpit conversations as well as detailed flight data and control surface data.
• Fact #2: All black box recorders transmit locator signals for at least 30 days after falling into the ocean
Yet the black box from this particular incident hasn’t been detected at all. That’s why investigators are having such trouble finding it. Normally, they only need to “home in” on the black box transmitter signal. But in this case, the absence of a signal means the black box itself — an object designed to survive powerful explosions — has either vanished, malfunctioned or been obliterated by some powerful force beyond the worst fears of aircraft design engineers.
• Fact #3: Many parts of destroyed aircraft are naturally bouyant and will float in water
In past cases of aircraft destroyed over the ocean or crashing into the ocean, debris has always been spotted floating on the surface of the water. That’s because — as you may recall from the safety briefing you’ve learned to ignore — “your seat cushion may be used as a flotation device.”
Yes, seat cushions float. So do many other non-metallic aircraft parts. If Flight 370 was brought down by an explosion of some sort, there would be massive debris floating on the ocean, and that debris would not be difficult to spot. The fact that it has not yet been spotted only adds to the mystery of how Flight 370 appears to have literally vanished from the face of the Earth.
• Fact #4: If a missile destroyed Flight 370, the missile would have left a radar signature
One theory currently circulating on the ‘net is that a missile brought down the airliner, somehow blasting the aircraft and all its contents to “smithereens” — which means very tiny pieces of matter that are undetectable as debris.
The problem with this theory is that there exists no known ground-to-air or air-to-air missile with such a capability. All known missiles generate tremendous debris when they explode on target. Both the missile and the debris produce very large radar signatures which would be easily visible to both military vessels and air traffic authorities.
• Fact #5: The location of the aircraft when it vanished is not a mystery
Air traffic controllers have full details of almost exactly where the aircraft was at the moment it vanished. They know the location, elevation and airspeed — three pieces of information which can readily be used to estimate the likely location of debris.
Remember: air safety investigators are not stupid people. They’ve seen mid-air explosions before, and they know how debris falls. There is already a substantial data set of airline explosions and crashes from which investigators can make well-educated guesses about where debris should be found. And yet, even armed with all this experience and information, they remain totally baffled on what happened to Flight 370.
• Fact #6: If Flight 370 was hijacked, it would not have vanished from radar
Hijacking an airplane does not cause it to simply vanish from radar. Even if transponders are disabled on the aircraft, ground radar can still readily track the location of the aircraft using so-called “passive” radar (classic ground-based radar systems that emit a signal and monitor its reflection).
Thus, the theory that the flight was hijacked makes no sense whatsoever. When planes are hijacked, they do not magically vanish from radar. Conclusion: Flight 370 did not explode; it vanished
The inescapable conclusion from what we know so far is that Flight 370 seems to have utterly and inexplicably vanished. It clearly was not hijacked (unless there is a cover-up regarding the radar data), and we can all be increasingly confident by the hour that this was not a mid-air explosion (unless debris suddenly turns up that they’ve somehow missed all along).
The inescapable conclusion is that Flight 370 simply vanished in some way that we do not yet understand. This is what is currently giving rise to all sorts of bizarre-sounding theories across the ‘net, including discussions of possible secret military weapons tests, Bermuda Triangle-like ripples in the fabric of spacetime, and even conjecture that non-terrestrial (alien) technology may have teleported the plane away.
Personally, I’m not buying any of that without a lot more evidence. The most likely explanation so far is that the debris simply hasn’t been found yet because it fell over an area which is somehow outside the search zone. But as each day goes by, even this explanation becomes harder and harder to swallow.
The frightening part about all this is not that we will find the debris of Flight 370; but rather that we won’t. If we never find the debris, it means some entirely new, mysterious and powerful force is at work on our planet which can pluck airplanes out of the sky without leaving behind even a shred of evidence.
If there does exist a weapon with such capabilities, whoever control it already has the ability to dominate all of Earth’s nations with a fearsome military weapon of unimaginable power. That thought is a lot more scary than the idea of an aircraft suffering a fatal mechanical failure.
I don't have a lot of confidence in Malaysian search & rescue. They just haven't looked in the right place yet. The U.S. Navy, yes, but they're just looking in the ocean, so...
As of today there are reports that this flight turned off its transponder and still flew for over an hour after that. I also changed direction at that time and flew over Malaysia and ended up over the Straits of Malacca. Where it eventually went off of military radar. The principle way for the air traffic controllers to monitor the airplane's movement is by watching it's transponder signal which also gives off information on height, position and speed. After the transponder is turned off it requires an active radar to pick it up. Which is what the military used to see the last hour or so of this flight. So most likely the plane went down somewhere they are not searching.
An alternative to this is that it somehow evaded the military radar (by presumably going lower where it could not be seen) and it landed somewhere. Highly unlikely not to be seen though.
This does raise a whole lot of questions:
Why turn off the transponder? Why turn around? Why no communications from the pilots? And why are the officials trying to rule out sabotage and terrorist attacks now? Just when it seems that that is a very likely scenario with turning off the transponder?
• Fact #1: All Boeing 777 commercial jets are equipped with black box recorders that can survive any on-board explosion
No explosion from the plane itself can destroy the black box recorders. They are bomb-proof structures that hold digital recordings of cockpit conversations as well as detailed flight data and control surface data.
• Fact #2: All black box recorders transmit locator signals for at least 30 days after falling into the ocean
Yet the black box from this particular incident hasn’t been detected at all. That’s why investigators are having such trouble finding it. Normally, they only need to “home in” on the black box transmitter signal. But in this case, the absence of a signal means the black box itself — an object designed to survive powerful explosions — has either vanished, malfunctioned or been obliterated by some powerful force beyond the worst fears of aircraft design engineers.
• Fact #3: Many parts of destroyed aircraft are naturally bouyant and will float in water
In past cases of aircraft destroyed over the ocean or crashing into the ocean, debris has always been spotted floating on the surface of the water. That’s because — as you may recall from the safety briefing you’ve learned to ignore — “your seat cushion may be used as a flotation device.”
Yes, seat cushions float. So do many other non-metallic aircraft parts. If Flight 370 was brought down by an explosion of some sort, there would be massive debris floating on the ocean, and that debris would not be difficult to spot. The fact that it has not yet been spotted only adds to the mystery of how Flight 370 appears to have literally vanished from the face of the Earth.
• Fact #4: If a missile destroyed Flight 370, the missile would have left a radar signature
One theory currently circulating on the ‘net is that a missile brought down the airliner, somehow blasting the aircraft and all its contents to “smithereens” — which means very tiny pieces of matter that are undetectable as debris.
The problem with this theory is that there exists no known ground-to-air or air-to-air missile with such a capability. All known missiles generate tremendous debris when they explode on target. Both the missile and the debris produce very large radar signatures which would be easily visible to both military vessels and air traffic authorities.
• Fact #5: The location of the aircraft when it vanished is not a mystery
Air traffic controllers have full details of almost exactly where the aircraft was at the moment it vanished. They know the location, elevation and airspeed — three pieces of information which can readily be used to estimate the likely location of debris.
Remember: air safety investigators are not stupid people. They’ve seen mid-air explosions before, and they know how debris falls. There is already a substantial data set of airline explosions and crashes from which investigators can make well-educated guesses about where debris should be found. And yet, even armed with all this experience and information, they remain totally baffled on what happened to Flight 370.
• Fact #6: If Flight 370 was hijacked, it would not have vanished from radar
Hijacking an airplane does not cause it to simply vanish from radar. Even if transponders are disabled on the aircraft, ground radar can still readily track the location of the aircraft using so-called “passive” radar (classic ground-based radar systems that emit a signal and monitor its reflection).
Thus, the theory that the flight was hijacked makes no sense whatsoever. When planes are hijacked, they do not magically vanish from radar. Conclusion: Flight 370 did not explode; it vanished
The inescapable conclusion from what we know so far is that Flight 370 seems to have utterly and inexplicably vanished. It clearly was not hijacked (unless there is a cover-up regarding the radar data), and we can all be increasingly confident by the hour that this was not a mid-air explosion (unless debris suddenly turns up that they’ve somehow missed all along).
The inescapable conclusion is that Flight 370 simply vanished in some way that we do not yet understand. This is what is currently giving rise to all sorts of bizarre-sounding theories across the ‘net, including discussions of possible secret military weapons tests, Bermuda Triangle-like ripples in the fabric of spacetime, and even conjecture that non-terrestrial (alien) technology may have teleported the plane away.
Personally, I’m not buying any of that without a lot more evidence. The most likely explanation so far is that the debris simply hasn’t been found yet because it fell over an area which is somehow outside the search zone. But as each day goes by, even this explanation becomes harder and harder to swallow.
The frightening part about all this is not that we will find the debris of Flight 370; but rather that we won’t. If we never find the debris, it means some entirely new, mysterious and powerful force is at work on our planet which can pluck airplanes out of the sky without leaving behind even a shred of evidence.
If there does exist a weapon with such capabilities, whoever control it already has the ability to dominate all of Earth’s nations with a fearsome military weapon of unimaginable power. That thought is a lot more scary than the idea of an aircraft suffering a fatal mechanical failure.
Fact #1 - there is no such thing as "bomb-proof". Bomb resistant, yes, but not bomb proof. The location of a bomb in relation to the black box is relevant to this fact.
Fact #2 - there is a relatively small sound signature underwater for a black box. It's a big-ass ocean. You need to have a reasonable idea where to start looking before you can home in on the exact location.
Fact #3 - true. Regardless of how the plane hits the water, there will be a debris field. The angle and speed that it hits the water will determine the initial field size, then water/weather conditions will dictate how the field propagates.
Fact #4 - a missile may or may not have been picked up on radar. There would still be a debris field since a missile would not completely disintegrate a plane of that size.
Fact #5 - yes...but this in itself doesn't guarantee knowledge of where the plane hit the water (assuming it did). Not every radar set up tracks all information. Radar have limited range. There are several other sources of information that are available as transmitted from the 777, but these can be shut off or eliminated due to electrical issues.
Fact #6 - see Fact #5
The two most valid theories are mechanical failure and hijacking. The plane appeared to turn around and then disappeared when the transponder stopped transmitting. At this point the civilian systems could no longer track it. Military systems have limitations too...unclear if the plane moved out of it's range. The plane could have experienced cascading mechanical failure (often due to an onboard fire) or been under the control of hijackers (before the pilots could react and send out a warning). In this case...passenger could have fought back resulting in loss of the plane. When the plane did go down, it could have been well away from where people now expect it to be. Locating the debris field could take a long time.
Why turn off the transponder? Why turn around? Why no communications from the pilots? And why are the officials trying to rule out sabotage and terrorist attacks now? Just when it seems that that is a very likely scenario with turning off the transponder?
Feels like a highjack, especially so because the officials are attempting to rule it out this early without finding or giving any other answers.
Fact #1 - there is no such thing as "bomb-proof". Bomb resistant, yes, but not bomb proof. The location of a bomb in relation to the black box is relevant to this fact.
Stolen passports zero communication no debris 20 employees of a high tech chip company on one plane phones still ringing but no one locating the phones
What else is odd?
This is what too few people are talking about. That's significant I think. I mean, aliens would have to steal passports to get on board.
I am really suprised that even tho this is Maylaysian territorial air space and water, that the Chinese haven't said "Enough is enough--we're taking over this search--NOW".
And why is Boeing being less than forthcoming about ACARS or other instrumentation on this aircraft?
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Asked to detail the communications devices aboard the missing jet, Boeing spokesman Doug Alder said, "It's not appropriate for us to discuss that right now."
Fact 2 is not exactly true. Remember it took a long time to find them for the Air France A330 in 2009. 500 miles offshore in deep water is not an easy thing to overcome.
Mj is right on about Boeing though. What instrumentation does the 777 have and why can't they comment? Air France had down to the second data being transmitted by their A330 even as it plunged into the ocean. You would think the 777 has a similar setup via satellite. Unless it's an optional equipment sort of thing and Malaysia Airlines did not purchase it. But that is easily answered by Boeing.
I've personally flown small aircraft in the Bermuda Triangle on several occasions ... and survived ... and there are plenty of perfectly reasonable explanations for most aircraft/watercraft losses there that do not require supernatural phenomena.
With respect to flight MH-370, I'm putting my money on the Dr. Evil scenario.
More seriously ... I think when the probable cause[s] of the MH-370 incident is eventually determined, it will be more mundane than most of the current speculation.
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Originally posted by 84fiero123: You could have a point, at the exact polar opposite there is the Dragon's Triangle. Steve
last (and first) time i looked, the dragon triangle is off the east coast of australia (that's the new zealand side, not the malaysia side). proff should know. yesterday, i checked yesterday. please don't make me dig up the link.
I've personally flown small aircraft in the Bermuda Triangle on several occasions ... and survived ... and there are plenty of perfectly reasonable explanations for aircraft/watercraft losses that do not require supernatural phenomena.
We are not so sure you survived, I think you are an alien replacement myself.
I'm thinking the turn is a red herring. Maybe they tracked a different plane. Just weird at many levels.
Tracking primary targets (without transponder returns) is always problematic, even in countries with widespread radar coverage. 50 nm (terminal approach/departure radar) to 200 nm (enroute radar) is about the limit, though, and the relative lack of operator experience tracking primary targets complicates the matter even further. For several reasons ... not least that it was subsequently disclaimed ... I'm not sure that the southwest-bound aircraft reportedly tracked by the Malaysian military was valid.
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Originally posted by 84fiero123:
Would have been even better if you said, "Illegal aliens."
Nope. I'm legal. I even have a birth certificate to prove it. (Hmmmmm ... I guess that doesn't always work out so well, though.)
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From other sources I've read that there is some kind of engine-maintenance data link that I believe happens once an hour. I am unsure what all data it contains, but people didn't seem to think it contained any GPS or navigation info.
That's a lot of ground/ocean to cover for a search.
AP is reporting that the airplane was pinging a satellite that is used to transmit data from planes, but Malaysian Airlines said they didn't subscribe to that service so there wasn't any data transfer. But the airplane was pinging this satellite for four hours after it went off radar and they say it only pings if it is flying.
Yet the black box from this particular incident hasn’t been detected at all. That’s why investigators are having such trouble finding it. Normally, they only need to “home in” on the black box transmitter signal. But in this case, the absence of a signal means the black box itself — an object designed to survive powerful explosions — has either vanished, malfunctioned or been obliterated by some powerful force beyond the worst fears of aircraft design engineers.
its just out of range. Mars is a long long way away.
