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Haus of Guru: Brake upgrade kit for 84-87 Fieros by bmwguru
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Report this Post12-21-2011 12:44 AM Click Here to See the Profile for mattwaSend a Private Message to mattwaEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by zmcdonal:


Sorry, I am not familiar with the 88 brake setup so I was just guessing they had some sort of different caliper mounting bracket. But thanks for clearing up my question.


It's not a problem, however they do mount very different compared to the 84-87's.

I own page 3 woo!

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Originally posted by mattwa:

I really would like to see a picture of the brackets and caliper installed without the rotor to see exactly how it goes together. I'm guessing from the brackets in the first post that this kit uses the original caliper mounting bracket (the part that can be unbolted from the knuckle) in the front?



Here is a link to Fiero Addiction's site. My kit is based off his.

http://www.fieroaddiction.com/8712_r3.html


Longer studs will be needed.

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Report this Post12-24-2011 04:53 PM Click Here to See the Profile for topcatSend a Private Message to topcatEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I installed the front kit today, I found the brackets to be top quality, and the parts all fit as advertised.

[/hint] Now if I can only get the rear kit to swap the rear so I have matching calipers....

[/end hint]

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After holiday bump.
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Any more updates?
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The parking brake issue should be resolved by using 88 cables and the connector that Fieroguru designed for his brake upgrade. I don't have proof of this, but I'll see what I can come up with or if I can purchase the connector from him.

As for the rear brackets, I had an issue with the aluminum ones and will need some time to get them into spec. I can run a small batch of steel ones if need be. I wound up using steel ones on my car.

The rear are more involved to install than the front. The knuckle will need to be trimmed and the ball joint plate will need to be trimmed. The 88 calipers will be reversed from side to side and the parking brake will run over the axle instead of under.

Dave

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Originally posted by bmwguru:

The parking brake issue should be resolved by using 88 cables and the connector that Fieroguru designed for his brake upgrade. I don't have proof of this, but I'll see what I can come up with or if I can purchase the connector from him.

As for the rear brackets, I had an issue with the aluminum ones and will need some time to get them into spec. I can run a small batch of steel ones if need be. I wound up using steel ones on my car.

The rear are more involved to install than the front. The knuckle will need to be trimmed and the ball joint plate will need to be trimmed. The 88 calipers will be reversed from side to side and the parking brake will run over the axle instead of under.

Dave



From a length standpoint the 88 cables are longer than the 84-87 by about 4 1/2" (DS) and 7 3/8" (PS). What I do not know is if the available range of motion is the same between the years.

88 cable lengths:
DS = 34.25 with threaded end for adjustment
PS = 40.125 with barrel ends on both ends

84-87 cable lengths:
DS = 29.75 with threaded end for adjustment
PS = 32.75 with barrel ends on both ends
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Dave,
When they are ready , i actually wouldn't mind mine in steel if it is not too much trouble.
also how much of the ball joint plate needs to be trimmed? any pics of this?
thanks,
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an any updates bump????
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Report this Post01-19-2012 05:45 AM Click Here to See the Profile for bmwguruClick Here to visit bmwguru's HomePageSend a Private Message to bmwguruEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I caught the flu, but almost all better.

As for the brake kit, we are making a rear set for Topcat and it should be ready today. If everything fits as we hope, I'll run off more sets and get them up for sale with the people who bought the front set first in line for the rear set.
I still have a few front sets left in stock and ready to ship.

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Report this Post01-19-2012 10:12 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ace5514Send a Private Message to ace5514Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
i'll take a front set as long as the rear set is going to be made (steel first choice for the rear but not necessary). if it is just a matter of tweeking and testing and the parking brake issue is solved, pm me your desired method of payment and i'll pay for the fronts ...and add me to the list for the rears of course.
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Report this Post01-22-2012 02:23 AM Click Here to See the Profile for fierogt27Send a Private Message to fierogt27Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I just wanted to double check on this rotor package to make sure it will fit. please let me know, thanks in advance.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/C4-...2c14a#ht_6333wt_1180
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still have the flu kicking my butt.....

Those brakes will work as long as they are not HD brakes. The pads will be useless or you'll have to resell them. Best bet is to buy them from Summit Racing or Rockauto
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Ive tired looking on summit, but to get them zinc plated is ridiculous. I'll try rock auto. Thanks
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Bump, and looking for updates.
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Report this Post01-28-2012 01:40 PM Click Here to See the Profile for topcatSend a Private Message to topcatEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Will, the hubs are the same. I like this swap over the Lebaron swap for a couple of reasons.

    1 - the caliper is a stock Fiero caliper and looks more at home on the Fiero
    2 - More stopping power


As soon as I get the brackets for the rear and get the rear done, I will put my LeBaron swap conversion in the Mall for sell. The LeBaron works great, but I like the look of the Vette swap more.

pm sent with my phone and contact info... I look forward to seeing you here in Charleston in May
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Hmm I wonder how this upgrade would work if I still had my S10 (if I can remember correctly) master cylinder in from my Lebaron swap... hmm..
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Hmm I wonder how this upgrade would work if I still had my S10 (if I can remember correctly) master cylinder in from my Lebaron swap... hmm..


It wouldn't work as well with the larger master cylinder if you don't upgrade to the S10 brake booster as well. Most likely too much pedal effort.
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It wouldn't work as well with the larger master cylinder if you don't upgrade to the S10 brake booster as well. Most likely too much pedal effort.



I currently have a bit of a spongey pedal. Brakes and master has been bled several times but its the same issue. I would prefer a firmer pedal at this point.
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Are the front sets still available? I was going to do the LeBaron swap (actually used to get the brackets made) but I do believe I like this idea better. I am switching to a '88 rear suspension and was wondering if a similar upgrade was still being manufactured by anyone.

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I have a few front sets left. pm me if you want one.

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pm sent
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The rear kit is back at the machinist getting remade. It will probably be a few weeks and then they will be ready to go.

In the meantime, between fixing BMWs and Fieros, we will be running off a few sets in steel.

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My front kit arrived today!! Very high quality looking stuff.
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I was just thinking, maybe you should ask and see if you can get this tread moved into the Mall section so we can leave feedback for you. My kit looks awesome, I cant wait to install it.
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i am watching this thread waiting till it is iron out so to speak and get the kit when it is completed to use 88 fiero rears.
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Moved to The Mall by request of OP.


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Report this Post02-07-2012 01:01 AM Click Here to See the Profile for zmcdonalSend a Private Message to zmcdonalEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Maybe this is a dumb question but it just crossed my mind a few little bit ago. My aftermarket wheels have hub centric rings for them, is there enough hub left after the rotor is mounted for the wheel to still center on, or do the wheels have to be lug-centric?
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There is still enough hub left for the rim's hubcentric ring.
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Any news on how the rear setup is coming along?
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The brackets are still at the machinist getting redone.

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Bump - any updates?
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I wish...I think machinists and body guys have no sense of getting things completed in a rush.
Trust me, I am getting pretty pissed off and I'm ready to just run off a new batch at the cnc shop and scrap the bad brackets.
I did get the backordered parts needed to fabricate the metal sets yesterday, so I will try to run off a set or two for the guys that have been waiting.
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Are you talking about making steel brackets? If so ill take a full set, front and rear. I know the guys that bought the fronts get first choice but if you end up with a full set...ill take em.
Thamks
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I just wanted to toss up a couple pics of how my front kit install turned out.







Your kit fits like a glove. This was my first experience doing brakes on my own, and it went flawlessly. Great upgrade!!
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Ill take a front set now while the rears are being worked on. Pm me payment info...paypal is ok with me
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Originally posted by zmcdonal:

I just wanted to toss up a couple pics of how my front kit install turned out.




Your kit fits like a glove. This was my first experience doing brakes on my own, and it went flawlessly. Great upgrade!!

I love the decals, where'd you get them ? -Jason

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