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The Turbo Super Duty Build. by FastIndyFiero
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Report this Post04-16-2014 11:27 PM Click Here to See the Profile for michaelmount123Send a Private Message to michaelmount123Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I've acquired a SD-4 Cosworth (IMSA) engine with a few spares. Although it's not yet here, I'm considering a turbo upgrade for a Bonneville car. Are you making your intake / exhaust flanges available? It would sure save a lot of head ache!
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Originally posted by michaelmount123:

I've acquired a SD-4 Cosworth (IMSA) engine with a few spares. Although it's not yet here, I'm considering a turbo upgrade for a Bonneville car. Are you making your intake / exhaust flanges available? It would sure save a lot of head ache!
Thanks!


I'll send a PM, we can discuss it! Right now the current set of flanges are reserved for Alan Samura.

Nate

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Loving this thread BTW.

Question(s) : You're using PRO-E, correct? How do you like it? Never had to use it career wise, but always kind of wanted to learn it. I've always been stuck on Siemens NX, Inventor, or Solidworks.

Side question: If you ever want some help with analysis, feel free to forward some models over. I can run them through ANSYS simulation (if you don't already have access to) not only under static loads but with vibrations as well.

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Originally posted by RandomTask:

Loving this thread BTW.

Question(s) : You're using PRO-E, correct? How do you like it? Never had to use it career wise, but always kind of wanted to learn it. I've always been stuck on Siemens NX, Inventor, or Solidworks.

Side question: If you ever want some help with analysis, feel free to forward some models over. I can run them through ANSYS simulation (if you don't already have access to) not only under static loads but with vibrations as well.

Cheers,
Joe


CATIA actually. Most of the analysis I've done in CATIA as well, which uses a fairly fully-featured ABAQUS solver. Some analysis I've done with ANSYS and PATRAN/NASTRAN. Most of the pretty pictures I post here are from CATIA. Here's a screenshot from the flywheel stuff I was working on last year. Last year? Scratch that, 2011. WOW. Okay:



That's a combined loading scenario, showing 12,000 RPM (3K over-rev) as well as an angular acceleration equivalent to a very harsh clutch engagement or missed shift. I think it was something like 800,000°/s². Anyway, I have a lot of fun doing this, and unfortunately there's a lot of analysis and pictures that unfortunately I have been too lazy to post. I'd be happy to send you some models and scenarios that I'd like to see and compare results.

I'm hoping to make some updates (on NEW news) later this week.
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Report this Post09-03-2014 03:21 PM Click Here to See the Profile for FastIndyFieroClick Here to visit FastIndyFiero's HomePageSend a Private Message to FastIndyFieroEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I'm buying another new Cosworth head kit. This one is supposed to be complete.
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You must hate yourself if you're using nastran/pastran.
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You must hate yourself if you're using nastran/pastran.


Occupational hazard, given the industry I work in.

So as I mentioned above I found another complete (new) Cosworth head kit. This should have everything I need to get the kinks worked out. The guys that I'm getting it from in Puerto Rico were turbocharged using stock Cosworth cams on a 3.0L Pontiac SD block. He said their last dyno pull was 1200hp. Best 1/4 mile time was 7.01 @ 198.

Once the kit arrives, if everything checks out I may start thinking about getting rid of my 2-valve head, intake, and pistons. I'd like to see someone complete a turbo setup with my 2V head. It's really close. The guy I'm getting the Cosworth kit from also has a few SCAT billet cranks and a block, as well as some other assorted parts that he's cleaning out of the shop. I have his email if anyone wants to get in touch.
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Report this Post09-22-2014 07:11 PM Click Here to See the Profile for FastIndyFieroClick Here to visit FastIndyFiero's HomePageSend a Private Message to FastIndyFieroEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Thanks to these guys:



The *DOHC* Super Duty build is back online in a big, big way:

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You don't know how much this update excites me, been following this thread for years. Only tripped over it again because I was perving at Nick Arias Jr aluminium SD4 blocks
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any updates?
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Some...I've got everything inventoried and all of the parts I need for the Cosworth head swap are present and accounted for. Lifter bore plugs, cam gears, cams, timing cover...All there.



I may actually try to work on the car during the break, try to pull the gas tank and check the extent of the damage of sitting for several years.

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Any guesses on what's going on here?

This images is larger than 153600 bytes. Click to view.

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making a stencil for a custom head gasket?

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we're in desperate need of a little more religion to nurse your god-like point of view...

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making a stencil for a custom head gasket?



Nope. Next!
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media blast and paint?
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Piezo ceramic head gasket as an alternator replacement?
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Piezo ceramic head gasket as an alternator replacement?


I wasn't planning on it, but it sounds kinda cool now =D
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so whats the scoop?
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Coffee table?
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Saw this on eBay, thought of you...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rar...em2a48febdc3&vxp=mtr
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Saw this on eBay, thought of you...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rar...em2a48febdc3&vxp=mtr


Cool piece if he were running a carburetor.
With fuel injection and an ECM he'd need an ECM controlled distributor.

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Saw this on eBay, thought of you...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rar...em2a48febdc3&vxp=mtr


That mag is pretty sweet, I could run two and have a rotary switch in the cabin...Take me back to my flying days...As mentioned though, I am running EFI so someone else better scoop it up.

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More progress. The pattern was chosen for a reason...
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some sort of 3d scan?
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some sort of 3d scan?


Bingo! I'm doing a photogrammetric 3D scan of the block. The process is sensitive to reflective surfaces, so I'm covering the machined areas with paper. The flaking orange plate and bare cast iron should work pretty well without doing anything else. When there's a nice overcast day I'll drag the block outside and take around 200 photos at around 5-10° spacing and varying heights. These will then be stitched into a point cloud model of the block.

I also have a process I'm working up to do the same thing for the engine bay.

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Ive watched this thread since day one in 04.

Figured now was the time to speak up.

I am essentially missing a few pieces to finish my engine, I need the Hilborn Injection manifold or carbed intake for the 801 head, I need a flywheel, and id like a cast alum timing cover. If anybody has any leads on this stuff I would greatly appreciate the info.


Thank you guys, been a good read here for 10 years.

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I'm late to this thread, but I'm wondering how the 3D scan worked out? When I started to upgrade my turbo, I scanned all my parts/engine bay to import to solidworks. I know its not professional quality, but I was able to pickup the important header flange 'planes' and get an idea of spacial relationships.





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I've also been watching since the first week, eagerly anticipating the finished product. Any decade now...
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So I scored a new old stock Quartermaster Carbon-V clutch. It's from 2001, but brand new in box. 3 disc, 5.5". I would have liked one of the new Tilton or QM Carbon clutches, but I got this thing for ~$850, which is something like $3500 off the new price so there's that. And it has an extra flywheel that I won't be needing so I can recoup a little there too :-D

Another $300 for a new 1"x23 spline hub to go into the F40, and I'll be on my way. At this point I'm still leaning towards this solution:



I'm still looking at needing an additional 3/8" of clearance that will need to come from a spacer plate between the engine and trans. I was hoping to get everything packaged in without needing that, but I don't think it's going to happen. The clutch mounting surface sits ~1.43" out from the bellhousing. Max clutch clearance height is 2.23", plus 0.10" for good measure. That puts me at 3.66" I need to clear inside the bellhousing, and the max worn set-up height would be at 3.09" total.

per this thread: Transmission Bellhousing Depths


 
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Here are the measurements I have. For the case depth, the two radii you have listed are the same for all transmissions. Also, the depth is limited by the aluminum bearing bosses for the transmission shafts.

code:

Case End of End of Retraced Extended End of TOB
Depth Input Shaft Splines TOB TOB Sleeve
92-94 HTOB Getrag: 2.454” -0.052” 0.316” 2.425” ------ ------
Isuzu: 2.462” 0.336” 0.562” 2.504” ------ 1.764”
F23: ??? ??? ??? 2.776” 1.899” ------
F40: 3.513” 1.128” 1.527” 3.529” 2.660” ------


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from here http://realfierotech.com/ph...30&start=200#p141772


FYI, Link doesn't work, say's "You are not authorised to read this forum.". Most everyone here won't have permission to view that if it's in the "Privileged Users Forum"

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FYI, Link doesn't work, say's "You are not authorised to read this forum.". Most everyone here won't have permission to view that if it's in the "Privileged Users Forum"



Thanks, did a straight copy/paste from my original post.
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This thing is cool:

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Wow. THat thing looks like overkill. Sexy.
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Very nice find on the the Quartermaster.
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This thing is cool:



I just checked out their website....nothing cheap there! I wonder how that one would feel? Great buy for $850 !
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Cosworth lists an ignition component for the SD-4 which I don't have, and MSD is no help so far. Anyone know what this box is?

MSD Heavy Duty ignition amp 82594

TIA
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Originally posted by michaelmount123:

Cosworth lists an ignition component for the SD-4 which I don't have, and MSD is no help so far. Anyone know what this box is?

MSD Heavy Duty ignition amp 82594

TIA


From what rumor I can scare up from the Google overlords, it appears that MSD manufactured a GM Heavy Duty Ignition amp, which was essentially a rebranded MSD 6TN. Have you called MSD to see if they have a lookup for the old part number? Taking a guess from the other PN's called out, it looks like it's spec'ing a timing curve computer and a traditional MSD CD ignition box.

Are you planning on using the Cosworth EFI?
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Yes, started with Google and MSD. MSD claims PN is too old and they can't help (I'm still bugging them, though). Yes, I'm trying to use the old Cosworth ECU. My fallback is to go to another commercial ECU.
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The new clutch hub came in yesterday, 1" x 23 spline to fit Ford, Porsche, and Getrag F40. I figure this way if I decide at the last second to use a G50, I'm covered lol

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Updates?

I'm building a Cosworth for a customer. Looking for another Cosworth, preferably a complete engine.
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