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3800sc Swap Complete Parts List by AustinH
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Report this Post03-24-2017 12:01 PM Click Here to See the Profile for AustinHSend a Private Message to AustinHEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Welcome to the One-Stop-Shop for modifying/repairing/tuning a 3800 engine and/or swapping it into a Fiero! You will likely not come across a more thorough collection of 3800 information, parts, diagrams, instructions, or videos than here.
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Why a 3800 supercharged swap? First, it's FUN and has mind boggling acceleration from a stop. Also it's simple, easy due to this guide (I will answer questions here too), off the shelf, easy to find engines, has aftermarket support, parts are sill produced, affordable (~$3000-3500 min), very reliable, small/fits better than the stock 2.8, has many transmission options with a strong stock 4spd auto, and takes you from 85/135chp to at least 235chp and easily 280+chp (~13 second 1/4 mile) with few easy DIY mods (up to ~400hp with the factory supercharger and ~600hp on stock internals).

CLICK HERE TO VIEW MY AMAZON STOREFRONT WITH LISTS OF MOST OF THESE PARTS

CLICK HERE TO VIEW NON-FIERO RELATED 3800 MODS ON AMAZON

CLICK HERE FOR A PRICING GUIDE AND A CUSTOMIZABLE BUILD SHEET (maintained infrequently)

FOR CONSULTING, TIPS, AND ADVICE, contact me on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/FieroAustin/ or email me at fieroaustin@protonmail.me

Consider joining the 3800SC/3800 Fiero Swap Page Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/gr...800.Fiero.Swap.Page/
Check out this information directory here for people who sell parts: https://www.facebook.com/gr...ink/2257683171084561

The below people charge do swaps for you.
James L Brown (Tennessee)
Brian Welch (Michigan)
Trent Ela (Florida)
Mitchell Davies (Ontario)

What this thread is: A suggestion of TWO COMPLETE GUIDES covering all years and variations of 3800s (not series 1), Fieros, and Transmissions for repair, modifying, tuning, and/or swapping into a Fiero:
BUILD 1: A COMPLETE BUDGET 3800 FIERO SWAP AND/OR 3800 REPAIR GUIDE
BUILD 2: A COMPLETE PARTS LIST FOR AN ALL-OUT 3800 BUILD (build 1 also needed if you are doing a Fiero swap)

What this thread is NOT:
-A Fiero Repair Guide

All videos available in this playlist here - https://www.youtube.com/pla...IM_4I2qJnkff2RlPWB_O

VIDEO: GUIDE TO THIS BUILD THREAD:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...nkff2RlPWB_O&index=1


CONTENTS:
1. How to pick out parts for your build: 3800 Performance and Specs of historical swaps
-Modification Selection Chart
---Camshafts
---Quarter Mile Times
---Dyno Wheel Horsepower
-Common Modifications
-Differences between 3800 Engines
-Transmission Options
-M90 Gen 3 and Gen 5 supercharger specs
-Motivational Previews

2. BUILD 1: A COMPLETE BUDGET 3800 FIERO SWAP AND/OR 3800 REPAIR GUIDE
-CLICK TO VIEW MOST OF BUILD 1 ON AMAZON
-PARTS YOU NEED TO TAKE OFF THE DONOR CAR
-Air
-Fuel
-Spark
-Exhaust
-Coolant and Hoses
-HARNESS/SENSORS/COMPUTER (ECU/PCM)
---NEEDED IF BUILDING YOUR OWN HARNESS
-TRANSMISSIONS
---Manuals
---4t65e-HD/4T65e/4T60e TRANSMISSION
-TRANSMISSION AXLES
---Buying axles
---Building 4t65e-HD/4T65e/4T60e Passenger's Axle
-ACCESSORIES/AC/OTHER/MISC
-Mounting and Brackets
---Rubber Cradle Side Motor/Transmission Mounts
---Engine/Transmission Side Brackets
-PARTS NEEDED IF YOU DO NOT BUY A 1998-2002 PONTIAC GRAND PRIX GTP OR REGAL DONOR CAR
-PARTS THAT WEAR OUT & MAINTENANCE PARTS FOR A 3800SC

3. BUILD 2: A COMPLETE PARTS LIST FOR AN ALL-OUT 3800 BUILD (build 1 also needed if you are doing a Fiero swap)
CLICK TO VIEW MOST OF BUILD 2 ON AMAZON
-Air
--Turbo
--Supercharger
---Intercooling
---Plugging throttle body/intake manifold heater/coolant holes/EVAP on a Gen V supercharger (Check local laws)
-Fuel & E85 (Ethanol) Conversion
---Fuel rails, hoses, regulator, and fittings
---Wiring Tools
---Pump and wiring
-Spark
-Exhaust
-Cylinder Heads/Valvetrain/Pushrods/Lifters
-Optional: Pistons, Rods, Bearings, etc. (Bottom End)
-Camshaft, timing chain, and balance shaft removal
-4t65e-HD/4T65e/4T60e Transmission

4. 3800sc Assembly Diagrams and Torque Specs
-Firing Order
-Coolant and Fuel Lines
-Throttle Cable/Cruise Mounting
-SUPERCHARGER, CONNECTIONS, AND ROUTINGS
-4t65e-HD/4T65e/4T60e Transmission
-Exhaust Setup for build 1
EVERYTHING BELOW THIS LINE IS FOR build 2
-TORQUES & TORQUE SEQUENCES
-GEN 3 to GEN 5 SUPERCHARGER SWAPPING AND NA TO SUPERCHARGER TOP SWAPPING
-ENGINE EXPLODED VIEW ASSEMBLY DIAGRAMS
-FUEL PRESSURE REGULATOR SETUP OPTIONS
-NORTHSTAR THROTTLE BODY
-EXHAUST SETUP FOR BUILD 2

5. WIRING HARNESS AND COMPUTER/ECU/PCM PROGRAMMING
-Buying a harness
-Building a harness

6. Disassembly, Reassembly and Final Fiero Installation Videos
-Below this line is required for both build 1 and build 2
-Below this line is only required for build 2
-Disassembly of the engine
-REMOVING AND PORTING CYLINDER HEADS
-INSPECTING THE BOTTOM END (crank/bearings/connecting rods/bearings/pistons/piston rings)
-RE-ASSEMBLY OF THE ENGINE
---MEASURING PUSHROD LENGTH WITH A PUSHROD LENGTH CHECKER

7. Other Helpful Fiero Parts While You're At It
-CLICK HERE TO VIEW MY FIERO MODS ON AMAZON
-A Fiero Repair Guide
-A 3800 Repair Guide
-PARTS THAT WEAR OUT ON A 3800SC
CLICK HERE TO VIEW NON-FIERO RELATED 3800 MODS ON AMAZON
-Good parts to change while the engine is out

8. EXTREMELY Useful Links

9. MY BUILD
CLICK HERE TO VIEW MY AMAZON STOREFRONT WITH LISTS OF MOST OF THESE PARTS
-Common Parts
-Fiero Drag Racing
-Parts from other how-to videos

10. MY TOOLBOX
-PART 1: CAR TOOLS
-PART 2: SHOP TOOLS
-PART 2.1: CONSUMMABLE CAR HARDWARE
-PART 2.2: CAR WASHING
-PART 2.3: ELECTRICAL TOOLS
-PART 3: HOUSE PROJECT & OUTDOOR TOOLS

Disclaimer: If you follow any instructions here, you assume 100% liability for your own build. NOTHING is guaranteed to work. If you blow up your engine, it is YOUR FAULT. Do not blindly follow this guide and buy parts until you feel you understand for yourself why and how everything about a 3800 engine works. This build thread is NOT BASED ON THE FACTORY INSTRUCTION MANUAL, but rather years of accumulated modification knowledge from across many companies, personal experience, and the internet. It might be helpful for you to buy a Buick 3800s factory service manual.

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That's a great list of parts however I think it's a bit misleading. Their are many different ways to do the 3800 swap depending on your abilities and finances. Honestly looking over your list I don''t think I used a single part from it to do any of my swaps.
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How to pick out parts for your build: 3800 Performance and Specs of historical swaps
All options for your engine swap will come down to cost and effort. Use the charts and videos below to decide what power you want out and how much effort and money you are willing to invest into the project. 3800 engine modifications are labeled as "Optional" in build 1; and build 2 is completely optional (some needed if you start with a Series III engine).

-----Modification Selection Chart-----
The below chart shows most camshaft options for a 3800 available, the dyno wheel horsepower numbers for 3800 builds across the internet, and quarter mile track times for 3800 builds across the internet as of 2018. The chart shows the modifications for each person's setup (camshafts, superchargers, cylinder heads, fuel type, boost, compression, etc.). Generally, red colored cells indicate either bad performance or hard to achieve (expensive or lots of other supporting mods required),

If you want a spreadsheet file, Click Here

Data pulled from here
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/070670.html
http://www.thechicagogarage...rchive%2A%2A%2A.html
http://www.3800pro.com/forum/fwdquarter.php
http://www.3800pro.com/forum/rwdquarter.php
http://www.3800pro.com/foru...-5-hp-cam-chart.html
http://www.clubgp.com/newfo...e=&smode=&s=#5178946
http://www.clubgp.com/newforum/tm.asp?m=1550443
http://www.clubgp.com/newfo...sp?m=5178946&mpage=1

-----Common Modifications-----
All videos available in this playlist here - https://www.youtube.com/pla...IM_4I2qJnkff2RlPWB_O

CHECK OUT THIS VIDEO SERIES FOR LOTS OF TESTING AND MODS!!!:
https://www.youtube.com/pla...BG8VcIqUr0BNWyaLt8Qu

Video: This video shows in-depth modifications to the 3800 engine from this build thread:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...nkff2RlPWB_O&index=3


Video: Here my video indicates most common modifications available for the 3800:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...nkff2RlPWB_O&index=4


Video: Here ZZP makes a short summary video of common modifications you can make to your 3800sc:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...nkff2RlPWB_O&index=5


-----Differences between 3800 Engines-----
There are many variations of 3800 engines. There are 3 different series, supercharged and non-supercharged (NA). Virtually every engine has a different wiring harness and different parts between years, makes, and models.
The ideal donor car or motor to buy is a 1998-2002 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP. If you do not get an engine from a GTP, there are many parts listed in build 1 that you will need in addition, just to make it fit in a Fiero.

Read up:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buick_V6_engine

NOTE: DO NOT SWAP A SUPERCHARGER ONTO A 3800 NA (Naturally Aspirated) BLOCK UNLESS YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE DOING. THE COMPRESSION, PISTONS, AND RINGS ARE DIFFERENT.

-----Transmission Options-----
NOTE: Many transmissions will work with this car. Here are a few common ones that can handle the 3800 power. See more in build 1 TRANSMISSIONS section.
http://www.fastfieros.com/t...06_transmissions.htm
4t60e 4 speed auto (comes with 3800s) - will only withstand ~200hp - https://en.wikipedia.org/wi..._transmission#4T60-E
4t65e 4 speed auto (comes with 3800s)- will only withstand ~250hp - https://en.wikipedia.org/wi..._transmission#4T65-E
4t65e-HD 4 speed auto (comes with 3800sc) - will withstand ~300hp, and up to ~400hp with light modifications - already comes on 3800sc cars. EASIEST TO USE - https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...ransmission#4T65E-HD
Getrag 282 5 speed manual (stock Fiero) - will only withstand ~250hp - https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...rag_282_transmission
Other Fiero Manual Transmissions (stock Fiero) - will only withstand ~200hp - https://en.wikipedia.org//w...Pontiac_Fiero#Manual
4t80e 4 speed auto (not covered in this guide, see note below) - will withstand ~400hp but is big and heavy - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_4T80_transmission
NOTE: See this video on installing a 4T80 into a GTP - https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=71 and this video - https://www.youtube.com/wat...&index=9&pp=gAQBiAQB
F23 5 speed manual - will allegedly withstand ~500hp (not covered in this guide, see note below) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...rag_F23_transmission
F40 6 speed manual - will allegedly withstand ~600hp (not covered in this guide, see note below) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_F40_transmission

-----M90 Gen 3 and Gen 5 supercharger specs-----
Relevant M90 Supercharger Design and Performance Information:
http://www.mscperformance.com/specpg2.html
Alternatively I copied the data from the above link to this post: https://www.fiero.nl/forum/...HTML/139530.html#p14

Here is a quote from Eaton about the performance of an M90 Gen 5 supercharger compared with a Gen 3 supercharger:
The 90-cubic inch Gen V supercharger is very compact. Its housing includes the throttle-body adaptor, crankcase ventilation plumbing, coolant passages, the evaporative emissions purge valve and the rotor drive mechanism. The drive mechanism is sealed and permanently lubricated, obviating the need for oil connections and eliminating a potential source of leaks. Moreover, the Gen V features all-cast components and a larger, low-restriction outlet port. The tuned inlet port is also less restrictive, compared to previous-generation superchargers, allowing a larger (75 millimeter) throttle body. As a result, more air is pumped by the supercharger through the Series III’s induction system. The Gen V’s rotor is finished with Abraidbable Powder Coating (APC) rather than epoxy. APC is a patented material containing graphite that is electrostatically applied to the rotor and baked on. As a result, the rotor requires less clearance within the supercharger housing, resulting in less leakage around its edges, greater airflow at a given operating speed and lower operating temperature. The Gen V’s rotor bearings have been enlarged to increase durability and reduce operating noise and vibration. As a result, the Gen V operates at considerably higher efficiency than its predecessors. At wide open throttle, the Gen V turns at 700 fewer rpm (a 9 percent reduction), draws 13 percent less power from the crankshaft, decreases operating temperature 15 percent and increases volumetric efficiency 9 percent. For the customer, that means a 9 percent increase in horsepower (see product specifications), and best-in-class acceleration times for the Grand Prix.

-----Motivational Previews-----
All videos available in this playlist here - https://www.youtube.com/pla...IM_4I2qJnkff2RlPWB_O

Video: Engine bay and idling video:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=53


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Everyone's build will vary for sure depending on wants and needs, however for you to go through the trouble and list what worked for you is greatly appreciated. Thank you. It will, at the very least, give people an idea on what to expect and look for.

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BUILD 1: A COMPLETE BUDGET 3800 FIERO SWAP AND/OR 3800 REPAIR GUIDE
CLICK TO VIEW MOST OF BUILD 1 ON AMAZON
CLICK HERE FOR A PRICING GUIDE AND A CUSTOMIZABLE BUILD SHEET (maintained infrequently)
NOTE: THIS BUILD 1 LIST IS COMPLETE AND INDEPENDENT OF BUILD 2, BUT BUILD 2 INCLUDES THIS BUILD 1 LIST UNLESS NOTED!

NOTE: The ideal donor car or motor to buy is a 1998-2002 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP or Regal. If you do not get an engine from a GTP or Regal, there are many parts listed below that you will need in addition to make it fit in a Fiero.

Preface: The output of this engine is expected 280 crank horsepower with optional easy, minor modifications. Those modifications are:
-3.4" supercharger pulley - for slightly increased air
-180 degree thermostat - for slightly cooler combustion
-Tune the computer (delete VATS security, increase shift speed, increase torque limiter, delete ABS, radiator fan setpoints, adjust fuel, MAF calibration, timing, check local laws before disabling EGR/Rear O2 Sensor etc.) (ECU/PCM)
-Autolite 104 Spark Plugs (2 heat range colder than stock spark plugs) - for slightly higher knock resistance

This build thread also assumes you optionally DELETE the following:
-Swap the valve covers so that the oil fill cap is on the other side so it is accessible from the Fiero engine bay.
-"Coffee can" vacuum accumulator canister for stock cruise control - stock Fiero cruise control allegedly works by hooking the vacuum line directly to the supercharger port, since the 3800 has more vacuum than the stock Fiero engine.
-Fiero vacuum lines except brake booster and cruise control (unless deleting cruise or switching to the 3800 cruise control module)
-Alternator bracket/coolant circuit (relocated and cooling circuit bypassed)
-Power Steering Pump
-Optional: Stock Fiero intake - requires new intake mounted.
-Optional (check local laws): EGR system - requires welding and sealing shut holes in exhaust and lower intake manifold, detailed in build 2. Requires reprogramming the computer to delete EGR codes and functionality.
-Optional (check local laws): Catalytic Converter and Rear O2 Sensor. Requires programming the computer and deleting rear O2 sensor codes and functionality.
-Optional (check local laws): EVAP System/vacuum lines - requires plugging supercharger hole with freeze plug and JB weld, reprogramming the computer, plug the extra EVAP hose on the fuel tank header, and venting the gas tank cap (You can easily do this by removing the valve in the gas tank filler cap.)

You can swap this build in less than 1 month and expect a 13-13.5 second quarter mile and a 1.9 60' time without modifying the tune.

THE LIST:
The numbers in (x) are the quantity of parts you need to order.

-----PARTS YOU NEED TO TAKE OFF THE DONOR CAR-----
-Engine
-Map Sensor Vacuum Lines
-Transmission (optional; bolted to engine anyways)
-Wiring Harness up to the Firewall + OBD II Connector from inside the car (cut the wires) + Fiero Wiring Harness
-Computer
-A/C Hose up to the firewall
-3" Exhaust flange (cut it off from the car side)
-Extra fuses and relays from the fuse box
-Power washer fluid pump, tank, and hoses if you want some cheap methanol injection (not covered in this guide)
-Electronic Cruise Control Module and Cruise Cable
-Both CV front axles (from a GTP, others may or may not work)
Find a donor car here: Junkyard Search

-----AIR-----
NOTE: Throttle cable mounting to a 3800 Series II motor - see Assembly Diagrams section

Supercharger 3.7" pulley belt - 66.3", 6 ribs (1x):
Roadmax 6k663AP - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: You may have to go up or down a size in 0.5" increments to ensure tight fitment; final fitment may vary. Search in RockAuto with a * for a wildcard (K0606** or 6k6** for 60"-69" belt lengths) - https://www.rockauto.com/en...h/?partnum=6k6%2A%2A

Optional: Supercharger 3.4" pulley belt - 66", 6 ribs (1x):
Gates K060660 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: You may have to go up or down a size in 0.5" increments to ensure tight fitment; final fitment may vary. Search in RockAuto with a * for a wildcard (K0606** or 6k6** for 60"-69" belt lengths) - https://www.rockauto.com/en...h/?partnum=6k6%2A%2A

Optional: 3.4" Supercharger Modular Pulley System (1x):
ZZPerformance 3.4 MPS - https://ebay.us/aTa3fF
Alternate - Smoothflow 3.4 Polished Finish Pulley System MPS (Modular Pulley System) - http://www.smoothflowpulleys.com/3800_MPS.html
NOTE: DON'T JUST ORDER A BARE PULLEY! ORDER THE PULLEY SYSTEM WITH THE HUB THAT IS PRESSED ON TO THE SUPERCHARGER SHAFT!
NOTE: It is not recommended going smaller than a 3.4" pulley on a stock setup without more modifications to the engine first. See BUILD 2.

Optional: Supercharger Pulley Puller (1x):
https://ebay.us/aQacLX
NOTE: Re-installing the pulley can be difficult. Put an ice bag on the shaft and the new pulley hub in the oven and used a hammer and a block of wood to pound it on. There may be better tools for this installation.
NOTE: You can rent something like this from autoparts stores but they usually do not fit right.

Optional: Flexible air duct flex 4" dia, 41inch long, to replace stock Fiero/3800 air intakes(1x):
Spectre SPE-9751 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
Note: This is a very easy fitting universal intake hose. See alternatives below for more ideas.
REPLACED IN BUILD 2
Alternative: Walker 42423 4" dia INSIDE, 18" long (1x): https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
Alternative: Walker 43381 4" dia INSIDE, 36" long (1x): https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
Note: For the above 2, you would need some couplings with a larger than 4" inner diameter.
Alternative: UCREATIVE ‎U-SH-45-102-T (1x): https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
Alternative: GM GENUINE 25173861 / Dorman 696-426 (2x): https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

Optional: Air filter (1x):
K&N RE-1040 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: This entirely replaces the stock air intake and water separator. Air filter is fastened under fender well behind drivers' seat and behind the stock intake vent. This is the BIGGEST filter that I can fit behind the side intake scoop.

Optional: Air filter wrap for above filter (1x):
FILTERWEARS K298K - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Keeps water out and your filter clean. Your filter gets VERY DIRTY in wet weather without one. See filter wrap size chart: https://www.knfilters.com/search/wrap

Optional: 1.9 Rockers (1x):
https://ebay.us/kpeqbM
NOTE: NOT COMPATIBLE WITH ANY AFTERMARKET CAMSHAFT!!!! If you want some decent performance gains (5-7%) with minimal effort, these quite literally bolt on to the engine. Might be a good idea to replace valve springs if the engine is over 100,000 miles (see build 2).

Valve cover seals (1x):
Ultra-Power VS50465R - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
Note: These wear out, consider replacing them to avoid an oil leak.

-----FUEL-----
NOTE: Larry Curchoe will build and sell you a fuel system (may be more applicable to BUILD 2) - https://www.facebook.com/larry.curchoe/
NOTE: This setup below connects directly to the 3800 stock fuel rails and the stock Fiero lines.
NOTE: FOR COMPLETE E-85/Ethanol CONVERSION and custom fuel rail setup, SEE BUILD 2. This list replaces all Fiero hoses to allow for running ethanol, since most states have up to 15% ethanol in all fuel now.
NOTE: Check out how to modify Series III/Gen 5 rails for a Series II/Gen 3 - https://www.gmtuners.com/fiero/returnless.htm

Fuel pump (1x):
Walbro 255 LPH F20000169 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
Alternate (quieter): Quantum 255 LPH HFP-343 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: BE CAREFUL WITH THE QUANTUM PUMPS. THE INLET CAN BE CLOSE TO THE BOTTOM OF THE FUEL TANK AND SUCKED AGAINST THE TANK, NOT ALLOWING FOR FUEL FLOW AT HIGH FUEL DEMANDS. TRIM THE BOTTOM LIP OFF OF THIS FUEL PUMP TO GIVE MORE CLEARANCE FOR DRAWING FUEL FROM THE BOTTOM OF THE TANK, WHILE STILL ALLOWING ROOM FOR THE SCREEN TO FIT - REMOVE SCREEN BEFORE TRIMMING.
NOTE: The 3800sc requires slightly more fuel than the stock Fiero pump can put out. You might be able to get by without changing this if you do not modify the 3800sc at all. It can always be changed later, as the tank can be pulled separately.
NOTE: SEE BUILD 2 FOR E85 CONVERSION. YOU WIILL NEED A 340+ LPH PUMP INSTEAD!
NOTE: Many fuel pumps out there are FAKES. Buy directly from the manufacturer's website or from this post.
REPLACED IN BUILD 2

Fuel tank lock ring and seal (1x):
Dorman 579-001 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

Stock fuel rail hose release tools (1x):
Performance Tool W83148 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: These are a pain to use, see this video - https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=13

SEE DIAGRAM BELOW FOR CORRESPONDING NUMBERS

0 - Optional (Check local laws): Block off / remove the EVAP circuit by cutting the EVAP fuel sender 1/4" hose and hose-clamping in a 1/4" bolt.

1 - Push-Lok Ethanol Fuel Hose 3/8" (1x):
Fragola 871006 (10ft) - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

2 - Fuel Filter (1x):
Wix 33481 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: With welded 16mm x 1.5 (M16-1.5) female inlet/outlet

3 - M16 x 1.5 Adapter to -6 AN (1x):
Edelbrock Russell 648060 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

4 - 90° -6 AN Female swivel Push-Lok Barb Male (1x):
EVIL ENERGY CS00465D90 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

5 - Stock 3800sc Fuel Rail 3/8" Supply Line To above -6AN Push-Lok adapters (1x):
Vibrant 16886 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

6 - Stock 3800sc Fuel Rail 5/16" Return Line To above -6AN Push-Lok adapter (1x):
Vibrant 16885 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Only required for Series II return style fuel rails, NOT Series III.
REPLACED IN BUILD 2

7 - 1/4" barb to 3/8" barb (1x):
Beduan ‎1yf-02920-srb - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

8 - 1/4" Fiero Ethanol fuel tank return hose (1x 5'):
UCREATIVE ‎U-FH-30R7-5-14 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: For ethanol fuel

9 - 5/8 ID molded Ethanol hose with a right angle (1x):
Gates 28467 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: For ethanol fuel

10 - 1.5" Fiero Ethanol Fuel tank filler neck hose (1x):
Gates 21660 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: For ethanol fuel

11 - 180° bend -6AN to Pusk Lock 3/8" Barb (2x):
Dexepe ‎OCH-AN6-180#1-BK-LC - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Only need 1 for a Series III Returnless style.
REPLACED IN BUILD 2


-----SPARK-----
Spark Plug Wire Kit for Custom Lengths (1x):
Taylor Cable 83253 (45 degree boots) - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: You need a vise and a spark plug crimper below

Spark plug wire crimper to use with bench vise (1x):
MSD 3503 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

Optional: Colder Spark Plugs - two ranges colder than stock Autolite 606 plugs, gap to 0.035"-0.040" (6x):
Autolite 104 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
Note: Colder plugs decrease hot spots in the combustion chamber that could lead to KR reducing your timing and thus power.
REPLACED IN BUILD 2

Optional: Spark Plug Gap Tool (1x):
Performance Tool W80540 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

-----EXHAUST-----
NOTE: This exhaust system mates to the stock 3800 exhaust headers, which allegedly can support up to 300hp. You will have to custom-weld your exhaust. There is no bolt-on exhaust for an engine swap (does someone want to start making these?). Final fitment can vary between year models of Fieros, engine mounts, etc. Go to an exhaust shop and get one welded up after the engine is in the car.
NOTE: The best pipes are mandrel bent stainless steel.

Muffler - 3" right in, dual 2.5" right + left out, 13" body length (1x):
Spintec 343SC - https://ebay.us/MFESbZ
OR
Flowtech 50363FLT (may be discontinued) - https://ebay.us/XDcSTt
OR
Magnaflow 12158 (2.5" inlet, stainless, but is a good size) - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: These below mufflers will not fit easily because they longer (especially with OE Fiero Routing, max dimensions 15x9.5x5"), but it may be possible to use them in an exhaust setup similar to what is pictured:
MagnaFlow 12265/12266/12267 (Stainless) - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
BORLA 40474 (Stainless) - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
OR
BORLA 400499 (Stainless) - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
OR
Walker 18375 (QUIET, 2.5" INLET, 2.25" OUTLET, CAN BE EASIER FOR A TIGHTER BEND RADIUS) - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
OR
Cherry Bomb SA2265-CE (2.5" INLET, 2.5" OUTLET, CAN BE EASIER FOR A TIGHTER BEND RADIUS) - https://ebay.us/hC2z1G
NOTE: You will have to weld a bend in your own exhaust. Pictured below.
REPLACED IN BUILD 2

Donor car exhaust flange (1x):
YOU MUST CUT OFF THE EXHAUST FLANGE FROM THE DONOR CAR TO USE IN THIS EXHAUST SETUP!

90° bend 3" diameter (1x):
‎X AUTOHAUX a22111700ux0403 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Must be VERY TIGHT bend radius, likely needed custom weld job. You will have to cut and re-weld this at a sharper angle.
REPLACED IN BUILD 2

180° bend 3" diameter (1x):
‎X AUTOHAUX ‎a22111700ux0413 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Must be VERY TIGHT bend radius, likely needed custom weld job. You will have to cut and re-weld this at a sharper angle.

90° bend 2.5" diameter (1x 2-PACK):
‎X AUTOHAUX ‎a22111700ux0402 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

Straight 2.5" diameter, 1 ft (1x):
‎X AUTOHAUX ‎a22111700ux0435 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

2.5" diameter generic exhaust hanger U-bolts (1x 2-pack):
‎PALOZO ‎EC-2.5 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Could use the stock Fiero rubber exhaust hangers to hang these from

2.5" diameter Exhaust Tips (2x):
Re-used stock Fiero exhaust tips

Optional: 96-02 Camaro/Firebird Oil Pan for Stock Exhaust Routing NOT PICTURED (1x):
Spectra Premium GMP46A - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: ONLY If you want to make exhaust like the stock Fiero routing, you need 1996-2002 Camaro or Firebird oil pan



-----COOLANT AND HOSES-----
SEE DIAGRAM BELOW FOR PART #s
NOTE: THE BELOW DIAGRAM AND PART #s RELATED TO THE HEATER HOSE ONLY WORK FOR AN 87-88 FIERO. YOU WILL NEED A DIFFERENT HEATER HOSE FOR OTHER MODELS. TRY GETTING A T FITTING LIKE THE BUILT IN STYLE FOR 87-88 FIEROS.
NOTE: See this video on cooling system modifications. https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=34

1 - 3800 Thermostat housing to drivers' side coolant hose 1.25" to 1.25" (1x):
Dayco 71082 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Cut a few inches off the end(s). Duralast E71082 also works.

2 / 3 - Radiator filler neck 1.25" inlet and 1.25" outlet (1x):
HCHCSPEED ‎JP2826-SL - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: To fill coolant. Plug the overflow nipple. There are many other ways to do this.
NOTE: To Avoid buying a ridiculously expensive custom thermostat housing (https://westcoastfiero.com/...l-thermostat-housing) or to avoid making a new one. If you go the modified 3800/fiero thermostat housing route, it may work better for routing your heater core lines on an 84-86 Fiero instead of into the 3800 Lower Intake Manifold or instead of into the 3800 coolant inlet on the right side of the diagram below.

4 - 3800 Water pump 1.5" to Passengers' Fiero coolant hose 1.25" (1x):
Gates 21205 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Cut a few inches off the small end. DAYCO 71126 also works.

5 - Barb coupling for below heater hose to stock Fiero heater hose 5/8-5/8" ID (1-2x):
ICT Billet ‎AN627-10A - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Instead you could optionally use a barb ball valve shutoff for shutting off hot coolant circulation to the cabin of the car during the summer: Sharkbite 22462LFA - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

6 - Heater Hose (1x):
1987-1988 Continental 63113 - https://ebay.us/BtMRNa | https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl or DAYCO C87641 - https://www.autozone.com/co...641&redirectUrl=true
NOTE: This works well for 87-88 Fieros; earlier Fieros may need a longer heater hose to the firewall and a T in the return coolant pipe similar to an 87-88. Goes with the 5/8" barb above; you'll have to fabricate and mount a retaining bracket detailed in LostNotForgotton's Video
NOTE: The 7/8" 3800sc heater hose elbow can squeeze on to 5/8" stock 87-88 Fiero heater hose line
OR
1984-1986 TBD



NOTE: Instead of fabricating a retainer bracket in the video above, some choose to tap the coolant hole in the lower intake manifold with threads and put a pipe 3/4 MNPT to 3/4" OD barb fitting in, and a 5/8 ID molded hose with a right angle, and a 3/4" OD Barb fitting to join to the stock Fiero hose. I do not recommend as the hole is undersized for the proper sized tap and would ideally be honed out/drilled larger before a proper tap can fit with with a 59/64 drill bit, however this process is prone to cracking the aluminum intake to be potentially irreparable:
NPT tap set (1x): Drill America POUCSNPT5 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
3/4 MNPT to 3/4" OD barb fitting (1x): Sharkbite ‎UC134LFA - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
5/8 ID molded hose with a right angle (1x): Gates 28467 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
59/64 drill bit (1x): Drill America DWDRSD59/64 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: You may want to buy other large drill bits in steps leading up to a 59/64" so you can drill out the heater hose coolant port in steps. Again, I do NOT recommend drilling for risk of cracking.

7 - Aluminum Heater Hose Elbow (1x):
Dorman 47065HP - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: These CRACK if they are plastic! REPLACE with aluminum above!

8 - Optional: 180° Thermostat (1x):
Gates 33428 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
OR
MotoRad 239-180 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
OR
Motorad Failsafe 723-9180 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Motorad thermostats with a small hole like the may be easier to burp the system but could cause longer warm up, P0128 code, & slight warm up power loss.

9 - 1" expansion frost plug for plugging water pump hole that used to go to the alternator coolant circuit (1x):
Dorman 02600 / 570-005 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
or
Dorman 555-018 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

10 - 1.5" to 5/8"(TBD) T Fitting (1x):
TBD
NOTE: For 84-86 ONLY

11 - 5/8 (TBD) Hose:
TBD
NOTE: For 84-86 ONLY

12 - 5/8" (TBD) Hose:
TBD
NOTE: For 84-86 ONLY


Coolant/Antifreeze (2x 1 gallon of concentrate; 14qt total diluted ~50/50 needed):
Peak PXA0B3 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: You can use whatever color you want, as long as you don't mix two colors and flush the system completely.

Optional: Bigger radiator (1x):
Champion 166-CC828 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Radiator install video - https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=28
NOTE: This or the bigger fan below (easier) is pretty much REQUIRED when running in hot weather for a long period of time (80° F +). Definitely need for build 2.
NOTE: Here are some cheaper ones. YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

Optional: Better radiator fan (1x):
Proform 67016 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl or https://ebay.us/AfOzbO
NOTE: 8 blade plastic.
OR
Permacool 19115 - https://www.amazon.com//dp/..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: 6 blade metal. See install instructions here (loads slowly): https://web.archive.org/web...1049c8ce4f2eed79da72
NOTE: See install video here - https://www.youtube.com/wat...index=28&pp=gAQBiAQB

Optional: Hood vents for increased radiator air flow (1x):
GM 10030564 & 10030565 - https://www.ebay.com/sch/i....toolid=10001&mkevt=1
Alternate: Paul Angel's (not making them much currently): https://angelonearth.net/customfiberglass/
NOTE: Contact Paul at imthadriver@gmail.com

Hose clamp kit (1x):
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

-----HARNESS/SENSORS/COMPUTER (ECU/PCM)-----
NOTE: See Harness section for buying a harness (~$500), more detailed instructions, and diagrams here - https://www.fiero.nl/forum/...HTML/139530.html#p11
NOTE: See tuning video here - https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=33
NOTE: Want to buy a harness and PCM tune? I highly recommend this. Contact one of the below guys:
James L. Brown - https://www.facebook.com/Fiero3800harnesses/
Dan McIlmoyle - https://www.facebook.com/danny.mcilmoyle
West Coast Fiero (expensive!) - https://westcoastfiero.com/...ess-for-conversions/
Joe Welch (olejoedad) - https://www.fiero.nl/cgi-bi...cgi?sendto=olejoedad

Harness from the donor car (1x):
Junkyard Search
NOTE: Again best harnesses and engines are from a 1998-2002 Pontiac grand prix GTP

Harness from the Fiero (1x):
www.car-part.com
NOTE: If you do not have a Fiero harness, avoid buying a 1984 harness; it has some differences that make it more difficult.

3-pin Oil pressure sender (1x):
STANDARD MOTOR PRODUCTS PS245T - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Comes from a 1988 Fiero V6 already, so if you have this car you do not need this sensor.

1/4" NPT Male to Female Elbow for oil pressure sender (1x):
Legines ‎3420*BB - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: May be difficult to install the oil pressure sensor above with the FieroRog alternator relocator bracket installed. This should help with relocating that. I am not sure this exact part will give enough clearance for the oil sensor (may be pinned against the oil filter housing)

-----NEEDED IF BUILDING YOUR OWN HARNESS-----
HPTuners + 2 credits (1x):
https://www.hptuners.com/mpvi3/
NOTE: Required for deleting VATS security, delete ABS/EGR/Rear O2 (check local laws), and tuning - see video: https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=34
NOTE: If you are buying a harness, all the harness providers also include programming the computer, making this unnecessary. ZZP also does this at a much higher cost.

3-pin Oil pressure sender connector (1x):
Standard Motor Products HP4480 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Comes from a 1988 Fiero V6 already, so if you have this car you do not need this sensor.

4t65e-HD/4T65e/4T60e Transmission Speed Sensor to Fiero Speedometer Buffer Circuit (1x):
https://reddevilriver.com/h...peedo-buffer-circuit
NOTE: See harness section for schematic; you can build this circuit yourself if you have the know-how.
NOTE: You may want a 125mph FIero speedometer. Search in junkyards - https://car-part.com/

In-line 20A fuse holders (2x):
Bussmann BP/HHG - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: One for fuel pump.

1998-2002 Computer (ECU/PCM) (1x):
GM 09357440 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
or
https://ebay.us/OPSAG4
or
Junkyard Search
NOTE: Only if you don't have one from the donor car, get at junkyard for $25 from ideally a 1998-2002 Grand Prix GTP.

Fuel pump relay (1x):
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Only required if building your own harness
NOTE: Can use stock Fiero relays instead.

-----TRANSMISSIONS-----
-----MANUALS-----
NOTE: Check out how to bypass the auto transmission controls in a 3800 engine - https://www.gmtuners.com/fiero/transbypass.htm

Spec 3+ Clutch (1x):
First, choose your clutch type and your transmission donor car here: https://specclutch.com/products/
Then, punch in the part # here: https://ebay.us/Ax6J60
Below are common ones for swaps.
1985-1988 2.8L Fiero 5spd - Spec SC883F - https://ebay.us/AJBWlO
1985-1988 2.5L Fiero - Spec SC783F- https://ebay.us/rcJOT5
1984 2.5L 4spd / 1985-1987 2.8L Fiero 4spd - Spec SC773F - https://ebay.us/qfFJVZ
NOTE: For manuals, (F23, F40, Getrag, etc.) everyone seems to use a Spec 3+ clutch, however sometimes Spec sends the wrong clutch. It must be MATCHED for your specific manual transmission; not any one will do and you can NOT order them online from what I understand. And sometimes even Spec puts the wrong clutch in the box. Best to call them up and verify your exact application first. Your clutch may rub the transmission if they get it wrong.

F23/F40 Shifter Bracket (1x):
fieroguruperformancellc@gmail.com https://fieroguruperformance.com/?page_id=906
OR
West Coast Fiero - https://westcoastfiero.com/...adapter-with-cables/
OR
https://fierospace.com/prod...-shift-cable-bracket

F23/F40 Shifter Cable (1x):
http://rodneydickman.com/pr....php?products_id=341
OR
https://westcoastfiero.com/...t/f23-shift-adapter/

Flywheel Bolts (1x):
SEE MOUNTING AND BRACKETS SECTION FOR FieroRog KIT
OR
https://westcoastfiero.com/...series-i-ii-and-iii/

F23 from a Cavalier mounts (1x):
Contact FieroRog

F23 from a Cobalt with a Cavalier bell housing mounts (1x):
https://fierospace.com/prod...cavalier-bellhousing
NOTE: Contact Brian Sanburn or at https://fierospace.com/

-----4t65e-HD/4T65e/4T60e TRANSMISSION-----
4t6x Transmission Cooler Line Fittings
2004.5+ GTP Transmission
3/8"-18 NPSM (1x):
9/16"-18 UNF (1x):
OR
2000(2000.5+ GTP)-2004.5 Transmission
1/4"-18 NPSM (1x):
3/8"-18 NPSM (1x):
OR
1990-1999 (2000.5- GTP) Transmission
1/4"-18 NPSM to -6 AN male (1x 2-pack):
ICT Billet 551114 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: O-ring and straight thread 1/4" NPSM side go directly into transmission.

Transmission line elbow -6AN to 3/8" 90 deg barb (1x 2-pack):
EVIL ENERGY EV01111D90 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: to mate with the above fitting

Transmission Hose to Fiero Steel Hose (1x 5ft):
Derale 13016 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Replaces stock 4t65e-HD/4T65e/4T60e steel transmission lines

4t65e-HD/4T65e/4T60e Shifter bracket (1x):
Chuck Peterson makes these - https://www.facebook.com/chuck.peterson.566
OR
West coast Fiero: https://westcoastfiero.com/...ion-shifter-adapter/
NOTE: It is not possible to get into 1st gear with the West Coast Fiero bracket and the 3800 transmission shift arm. The shifter in the car was made for a 3-speed.
OR
Make your own out of a modified Fiero shift bracket and a chevy sonic shift arm, pictured below (1x):
GM 95160885 / 96888404 / 95147085 / 96639205 / 95198043 - https://ebay.us/J3BnMp | https://ebay.us/hTwZhq
NOTE: It is not difficult to construct your own. Some manage to simply unbolt the shifter arm and bolt it on in the reverse direction of the shifting action with other minor modification. Some choose to reverse the linkage action on the Fiero side shift lever itself.

NOTE: James L. Brown has designs for these and may start producing them - https://www.facebook.com/Fiero3800harnesses/

-----TRANSMISSION AXLES-----
-----Buying Axles-----
Fiero Manual Axles (2x):
Re-use stock axles!

OR

F23/F40 Manual Axles (2x):
fieroguruperformancellc@gmail.com https://fieroguruperformance.com/?page_id=906
or
West coast Fiero - https://westcoastfiero.com/...ct/f40-custom-axles/

OR

4t65e-HD/4T65e/4T60e Passenger's Axle (1x):
Stephen Poe: https://www.facebook.com/stephen.poe.5011
OR
West Coast Fiero - https://westcoastfiero.com/...to-4t60-e-and-4t65-e
NOTE: You must supply them the following information:
-Your Transmission Type
-Your Engine Type
-Your Fiero Type (make/model)
-Your engine mount/transmission mount type
-Measurements from both transmission output shaft surfaces to the inside surfaces of the Fiero hubs with no axles installed, with wheels on ground.

4t65e-HD/4T65e/4T60e Driver's Axle (1x):
Re-use Automatic Fiero driver's side axle
OR
GSP NCV10509 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

-----Building 4t65e-HD/4T65e/4T60e Passenger's Axle-----
NOTE: Building axles yourself? See LostNotForgotton's axle building video: https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=15
NOTE: Here is a great writeup, but I do not know if FieroRog mounts will work with these axles: https://www.gmtuners.com/swap/axles.htm
NOTE: THESE AXLES BELOW ARE FOR 4t65e-HD ONLY. THESE AXLES REQUIRE YOU USE THE FieroRog OR WEST COAST FIERO ENGINE AND TRANSMISSION MOUNTS LISTED IN THIS BUILD THREAD AND IN LostNotForgotton's VIDEO. FINAL FITMENT CAN VARY. LOOKUP WHICH TRANSMISSION YOUR DONOR CAR CAME WITH: https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...ransmission#4T65E-HD

Re-use Driver's side GTP Axle OEM (1x):
GM 26054707 / Cardone 60-1255 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
or
Junkyard Search
NOTE: It is a gamble whether some Cardone remanufactured axles used OEM parts; if you get one without OEM parts, it may not work for building your axles.

Re-use Passenger's side GTP axle OEM (1x):
GM 26073392 / Cardone 60-1256 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
or
Junkyard Search
NOTE: It is a gamble whether some Cardone remanufactured axles used OEM parts; if you get one without OEM parts, it may not work for building your axles.

Re-use any manual Fiero axle OEM (1x):
https://car-part.com/
NOTE: YOU MUST USE OEM PARTS FROM THE DONOR CAR. MIXING OTHER MANUFACTURERS PARTS WILL NOT FIT TOGETHER! THERE IS A CHANCE THE DONOR CAR HAD OEM AXLES SWAPPED OUT FOR NON-OEM!

Axle Boot Inner with grease (1x):
Dorman 614-004 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

Axle CV Boot Clamps (1x):
MIKKUPPA QAT094 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

Axle CV boot clamp tool (1x):
ABN 8542034855 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

-----ACCESSORIES/AC/OTHER/MISC-----
Optional: Fiero Factory Service Manuals (1x):
https://www.rockauto.com/en...artnum=DPRGM2**8*FSM

Optional: OBD2 Bluetooth Scanner (1x):
OBDLink CX - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: To be used with free phone app - REALLY helps with troubleshooting

Optional: Sound Deadening Material for Firewall (1x):
KILMAT KLM8018 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
OR
Design Engineering 050502 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: The Design Engineering is very difficult to form. Take a Dremel with gloves and safety glasses to notch out the Fiero firewall obstacles.
NOTE: This is ONLY necessary if your panels (firewall) are vibrating. You only need about 25% coverage. This sound mat is very heavy; it ONLY serves to DAMPEN a vibration by changing the weight of the object that is vibrating; it does not magically absorb sound waves. If you want to make the cabin quieter, you should first focus on SEALING the cabin entirely by plugging holes that could be exposed to the outside air.

1/2" Torque Angle Meter (1x):
Performance Tool M205 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Required for torqueing OEM bolts on balance shaft sprocket, connecting rods, crankshaft mains, cylinder heads, flywheel, oil filter adapter, rocker arms, timing cover, timing chain sprocket, harmonic balancer, and water pump. See torque specs here - https://www.torkspec.com/to...3.8L-231ci-V6-3800II

Accessory Belt Tensioner Pulley (1x):
CONTINENTAL 49247 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: From a 1995 Ford Winstar 3.8, only needed if using FieroRog alternator relocation bracket

Accessory Belt - 81.5", 6 ribs (1x):
ROADMAX 6K815AP - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: You may have to go up or down a size in 0.5" increments to ensure tight fitment; final fitment may vary. Search in RockAuto with a * for a wildcard (K0608** or 6k8** for 80"-89" belt lengths) - https://www.rockauto.com/en...h/?partnum=6k6%2A%2A

Optional: Engine Blower Blockoff Kit (1x):
https://www.campsitecarbon....blower-block-off-kit
NOTE: Only for 85-87 Factory V6 Fieros with an engine blower removed (a small electric motor/fan in the trunk; if you don't have one you don't need it!)

Optional: Magnetic Oil Drain Plug (1x):
Dorman 090091 (65372) - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: For extra safety to pick up metal shavings in the oil.

Optional: AC/DRYER (1x):
Four Seasons 33181 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

Optional: Custom A/C hose made by a radiator shop (1x):
Larry Hubbert makes hoses - https://www.facebook.com/larry.hubbert.77/
Chuck Peterson makes hoses - https://www.facebook.com/chuck.peterson.566 or https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/069681.html
James L. Brown makes hoses - https://www.facebook.com/Fiero3800harnesses/
NOTE: To build your own, see LostNotForgotton's video - https://youtu.be/ZyPZkCPJzN...qJnkff2RlPWB_O&t=530
NOTE: Have a radiator shop make one. You need an R12 style port for the AC Pressure sensor. Cut one off of another 3800 AC hose and have it braised onto the Fiero side. Also use a GTP compressor side AC hose fitting for the compressor that came with the GTP. Beware, there were at least 2 types of compressors/AC hoses on 3800 engines.
NOTE: Joe Norton used to make A/C hoses but has stopped production.

Optional: R134a AC Seals (3800 side) (1x):
Four Seasons 26728 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

Optional: R134a AC Seals (Fiero Side) (1x):
Four Seasons 26735 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: If you do want to utilize the AC system, you will need to charge it with R134a or newer refrigerant. The Fiero did not come equipped with this, so you will need to swap all your AC System O-Rings with Hydrogenated Nitrile (HNBR), and your orifice tube.

Optional: R134a AC Orifice Tube (1x):
ACDELCO 15-5754 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

Longer 45" battery ground cable (1x):
Schumacher BAF-445S - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

Alternator (1x):
ACDELCO 335-1088 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: You need a year 2000+ alternator for any 3800 car to fit with FieroRog alternator bracket. This is the highest current (125A) model made; relocating the alternator without the cooling circuit can make a lower current alternator struggle to keep up. Your donor car may have this already; the bigger cars (park avenue, bonneville) have higher current alternators already. Do NOT get an off brand and/or remanufactured alternator; they tend to be junk.

Optional: Alternator voltage boost circuit (1x):
https://zzperformance.com/p...ator-voltage-booster
OR
https://easyperformance.com...ltage-booster-module
NOTE: The relocated alternator does not get cooled. It looses efficiency and does not charge as well. This boost circuit may help with that by increasing the alternator voltage by 0.6 Volts. You can do this for free here: https://zzperformance.com/b..._sid=0a5a8d6d2&_ss=r

Optional: A/C Compressor Bypass Pulley (1x):
Dorman 34195 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Bypasses the AC Compressor if not using AC to save some horsepower and weight.

For engine removal and installation:
See Toolbox section https://www.fiero.nl/forum/...HTML/139530.html#p17
Jacks (2x): https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
Jack stands (2x): https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

-----MOUNTING AND BRACKETS-----
NOTE: This build uses FieroRog brackets. There are alternatives (like West Coast Fiero). You could build your own, but some parts in this build thread may not fit those if the transmission does not stay in the stock location.
NOTE: For Fiero manuals, you do not need cradle side transmission mounts, although you may want to replace the old rubber anyways.
NOTE: Rodney Dickman poly motor and transmission mounts are now discontinued, but they were located here. Poly motor mounts and a deleted balance shaft may make the car vibrate badly. V6 POLY ENGINE MOUNTS THESE ARE NOW BEING MADE HERE: https://fierospace.com/prod...6-front-engine-mount
NOTE: The 1988 Rodney Dickman engine cradle mount does not quite fit the FieroRog engine bracket right on some applications. May require drilling some ~1/2" offset holes. MAY IMPACT AXLE LENGTH REQUIREMENTS. Earlier year Fiero cradle/mount combinations may work better.

Optional: Adjustable Dogbone Mount - bolts to FieroRog alternator relocation bracket (1x):
http://rodneydickman.com/pr...o.php?products_id=72
OR
http://rodneydickman.com/pr....php?products_id=226
NOTE: I do NOT Recommend a solid mount for vibration.

Rear Frame Floating Cradle Nut Kit (1x):
http://rodneydickman.com/pr....php?products_id=276
NOTE: It is CERTAIN that the original nuts for the rear cradle will snap off the frame. You may have to cut a slot in the frame to get them out. Use 2 pairs of big vise grips to grab the nut through the cut hole in the frame in order to torque against it. The nut kit above sits inside the frame so in case the welds break loose next time, the mount is long enough that it can torque against the frame.
NOTE: This may be discontinued. It is not hard to weld a nut to a long drilled piece of steel yourself.

-----Rubber Cradle Side Motor/Transmission Mounts-----
Engine Cradle Mount for 84-85 4cyl, 86-87 4cyl manual transmission, 85-87 V-6 (1x):
Westar EM-2472 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
OR
Engine Cradle Mount for 86-87 4cyl automatic, 1988 4cyl & 1988 V-6 (1x):
Westar EM-2548 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: These rubber mounts are on the engine cradle side and mount to steel FieroRog mounting brackets on the transmission/engine side. I would highly recommend NOT re-using the stock Fiero engine and transmission mounts as they are probably old and worn out.[/b]
OR
ALTERNATIVE POLY ENGINE CRADLE MOUNT (1x): https://fierospace.com/prod...6-front-engine-mount
NOTE: Alternative poly mount only works for original V6 cars. These could cause bad vibrations being transferred from the engine.

Front Transmission Mount (1x):
DEA A2466 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

Rear Transmission Mount (1x):
Westar EM-2467 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

-----Engine/Transmission side brackets-----
4t65e-HD/4T65e/4T60e Automatic FieroRog Bracket Kit (1x):
Order from FieroRog here https://www.fiero.nl/cgi-bin...orum=4&thread=068855 or here https://www.facebook.com/pr...p?id=100041431256035
NOTE: Comes with:
-front automatic 4t65e-HD/4T65e/4T60e transmission mount bracket (1x)
-rear automatic 4t65e-HD/4T65e/4T60e transmission mount bracket (1x)
-Engine mount bracket (same for manuals) (1x)
-Alternator relocation bracket (same for manuals) (1x)
-Dogbone engine mount bracket (same for manuals) (1x)
-bolts

OR

Manual Fiero Transmission FieroRog Bracket Kit (tell FieroRog what manual transmission type) (1x):
Order from FieroRog here https://www.fiero.nl/cgi-bin...orum=4&thread=068855 or here https://www.facebook.com/pr...p?id=100041431256035
NOTE: Comes with:
-Engine mount bracket (same for autos) (1x)
-Alternator relocation bracket (same for autos) (1x)
-Dogbone engine mount bracket (same for autos) (1x)
-bolts
-Custom machined down to 0.830-0.840" and balanced flywheel from a 3.8 manual Camaro (1x) (or make it yourself; GM 12576459 / 24503285 / AMS 167533 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B...US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl)
-Flywheel bolts - yield (8x): GM 24505092 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
or
ARP 134-1001 (3x 3-pack) - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Rumor is some crankshafts may need to be drilled deeper to fit.
NOTE: FOR MANUALS ONLY! DIFFERENT THAN AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION FLEXPLATE BOLTS!
-Clutch bolts: GM 24571667 - https://ebay.us/udILtq
or
ARP 150-2202: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

OR

F23/F40 Manuals Brackets:
fieroguruperformancellc@gmail.com https://fieroguruperformance.com/?page_id=906
OR
https://westcoastfiero.com/f23-f40-specific-parts/

-----PARTS NEEDED IF YOU DO NOT BUY A 1998-2002 PONTIAC GRAND PRIX GTP OR REGAL DONOR CAR-----
NOTE: Some of these parts can be found at junkyards. Find a donor car here: Junkyard Search
NOTE: The transmission castings on a Regal may vary slightly and may need a spacer to work.

2-Bar MAP sensor (1x):
Standard Motor Products AS4 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: ONLY if you bought a 3800 NA block/harness and you don't already have a 2-bar MAP sensor

GTP/Regal External Transmission Gear Selector Neutral Safety Switch / Range Sensor Switch (1x):
Standard Motor Products NS122 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
Note: Some other cars already came with this switch. Look to see if it is sitting below your transmission gear selector lever on the top of the transmission.

GTP/Regal External Transmission Gear Selector Neutral Safety Switch / Range Sensor Switch Connectors for above (1x):
ZOOKOTO 88862288 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
Note: Only if building your own harness

GTP/Regal Steel Oil Pan (1x):
SPECTRA PREMIUM GMP11B - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

GTP/Regal Oil Pan Gasket (1x):
Apex AOP356 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: This needs trimming to fit over non-GTP oil pickup tube; depending on your car, you can get either get a GTP oil pickup tube or get a non-GTP oil pan gasket to avoid trimming this gasket)

GTP/Regal Oil Pan Pickup Tube/Gasket (1x):
Melling 256S - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Could instead trim down oil pan gasket to fit the other style pickup tube

GTP/Regal oil filter bracket (1x):
GM 12569219 ; 24508441 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl or https://ebay.us/Cv9T6f or https://ebay.us/cumdE1 or Junkyard Search
NOTE: See what cars this came on here - https://www.wholesalegmpart...666964/12569219.html
NOTE: You can not make any bracket BUT this GTP/Regal style work with the FieroRog brackets. More info at http://www.gmtuners.com/swap/3800.htm
NOTE: If you install a 5% overdrive balancer pulley, you will need this oil filter spacer to make it work - https://ebay.us/IMP58n
NOTE: You may want to install the ZZP Oil Volume Kit if you must install the GTP oil filter bracket: https://zzperformance.com/products/oil-volume-kit


Oil Filter Housing Gasket (1x):
MAHLE B31639 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: The ZZP Oil Volume kit comes with this.

GTP/Regal angled coil pack bracket (1x):
GM 24507211 ; 24504360 - https://ebay.us/GjwLdZ or https://ebay.us/8kbMmg or Junkyard Search
NOTE: See what cars came with this here - https://www.gmpartsbin.com/...184566/24507211.html
NOTE: Cut engine mount dogbone off, shown here - https://youtu.be/mmfWbG37By...qJnkff2RlPWB_O&t=178.


GTP/Regal Supercharger Tensioner Pulley (1x):
Dayco 89367 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Should come on a GTP/Regal angled coil pack bracket above. You will have to buy this if it is missing from the coil pack bracket.

GTP/Regal Supercharger Idler Pulley (1x):
Gates 38009 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Should come on a GTP/Regal angled coil pack bracket above. You will have to buy this if it is missing from the coil pack bracket.

Optional: Torque Converter (1x):
DACCO B21JXFM - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl or https://ebay.us/lwhUad
NOTE: See here for stalls - https://atracom.blob.core.w...al/2013/2013-049.pdf
NOTE: A Bonneville SSEI or Park Avenue Ultra (JSFM) torque converter may be too low stall for a Fiero. Could idle at 20mph.
NOTE: A GTP/Regal torque converter (JTFM) might be OK, or a higher stall (JZFM or JXFM) Converter would be better. JXFM was highest stall. Works great in a 3800 Fiero (JXFM did NOT come on supercharged 3800s)
NOTE: YOU ALSO NEED TO FILL THE TORQUE CONVERTER BACK UP WITH TRANSMISSION FLUID BEFORE THE INSTALL!

GTP/Regal 3-pin Temperature sender (1x):
Standard Motor Products TX66 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: You may not need this; check to see if your car is already equipped with this 3-pin sensor (instead of a 2-pin)

GTP/Regal 3-pin Temperature sender connector (1x):
Standard Motor Products HP4440 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Only needed if building your own harness.
NOTE: You may not need this; check to see if your car is already equipped with this 3-pin sensor (instead of a 2-pin)

Northstar Throttle Body, adapters, and throttle bracket:
-See BUILD 2 Air section
NOTE: Only needed for Series III/GenV motors.

-----PARTS THAT WEAR OUT & MAINTENANCE PARTS FOR A 3800SC-----
NOTE: These are highly recommended to change out because they wear out on a 3800. DO IT ONCE AND DO IT RIGHT!

CLICK HERE TO VIEW PARTS THAT WEAR OUT ON A 3800SC ON AMAZON

CLICK HERE TO VIEW ALL 3800 REPAIR PARTS ON AMAZON

* = especially susceptible on a 3800

-----BELOW WEAR PARTS NOT DUPLICATED IN ANY BUILD-----
*Supercharger Coupler (1x):
https://ebay.us/w2PVEf
or
Dorman 917-022 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

*Supercharger snout bearing set (1x):
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

*4t65e-hd shift solenoids (3x):
GM 24219819 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: See Install Video here

*Valve covers:
Plastic Front (1x): Dorman 264-964 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
Plastic Rear (1x): GM 12590364 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
or
Aluminum Set (1x): https://ebay.us/zrsiqF or https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
Note: The grey plastic valve covers are prone to cracking.

Knock Sensor (2x):
STANDARD MOTOR PRODUCTS KS45 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

Transmission oil filter kit (1x):
ATP TF-161 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

Transmission Oil Pan Gasket (1x):
8mm bolt holes/13mm bolt heads - ACDELCO 24204624 (1x): https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
or
6mm bolt holes/10mm bolt heads - ATP JG143 (1x): https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: There are two styles of transmission oil pans. You need to look at your pan and see what socket fits on your bolt.
NOTE: AVOID CORK OR PAPER GASKETS INCLUDED IN FITLER KITS!

Oil 10W30 (4.5 quarts):
Penzoil 550045214 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

Oil filter (1x):
ACDELCO PF47E - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

Supercharger oil (2x):
GM 12345982 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

Optional: Ultraviolet dye and light for fluid leaks
UV Flashlight (1x): EOWCO E1 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
UV Fuel/Oil/Power Steering/Transmission Fluid Dye (1x): ACDelco 1148963 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
UV Coolant dye (1x): GM 12378563 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

-----BELOW WEAR PARTS DUPLICATED IN BUILD 1 (ABOVE):-----

Colder Spark Plugs - two ranges colder than stock Autolite 606 plugs, gap to 0.035"-0.040" (6x):
Autolite 104 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

180° Thermostat (1x):
MotoRad 239-180 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

*Valve cover seals (1x):
Ultra-Power VS50465R - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

*Aluminum Heater Hose Elbow (1x):
Dorman 47065HP - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: These CRACK if they are plastic! REPLACE with aluminum above!

Spark Plug Wire Kit for Custom Lengths (1x):
Taylor Cable 83253 (45 degree boots) - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: You need a vise and a spark plug crimper below

Spark plug wire crimper to use with bench vise (1x):
MSD 3503 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

-----BELOW WEAR PARTS DUPLICATED IN BUILD 2 (BELOW):-----

Automatic Transmission Service Overhaul Kit (1x):
GM Genuine Parts 19258573 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Required for shift solenoids
NOTE: Required for hardened input shaft, 4th clutch shaft, and pump shaft
NOTE: Could get more expensive kits with clutch packs if you choose to change those. See overhaul video here - https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=15

Transmission Fluid Dexron III - 7.4 quarts (maintenance) or 10 quarts (total drain including replacing the torque converter) (1x 12-pack):
Valvoline UM746 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

*Intake Manifold Gasket Set (1x):
ACDelco 89017825 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

Grey Gasket Maker (1x):
Permatex 85144 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Use this on intake manifold gasket lifter valley seal corners AND on throttle body.

Series III/GENV Supercharger Upper Intake Manifold Plenum Gasket Set (reusable) (1x):
Apex AMS3735 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
OR
Series II / Gen3 Upper Intake Manifold Plenum Gasket Set (1x):
FEL-PRO MS95744 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Required for Intake Manifold Gaskets
NOTE: The ZZP Phenolic Spacer and interooler kits each come with 2 garlock gaskets included, so this is not necessary if you order that. Extra ZZP Garlocks available here: https://zzperformance.com/p..._sid=ecdfe73d9&_ss=r

*Flexplate Bolts (yields) (8x):
GM 24501365 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl or https://ebay.us/8zWGbd
NOTE: ONLY NECESSARY if you remove the automatic flexplate. These bolts YIELD and need to be replaced. These DO NOT WORK on a manual transmission, see FieroRog Flywheel bolts in the MOUNTING AND BRACKETS section of this build 1

Oil Pump Kit (1x):
Melling K195 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

Head Gasket:
OEM style (messy, not reusable):
RHS (1x): FEL-PRO 9918 PT - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
LHS (1x): FEL-PRO 9917 PT - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
OR
MLS Head Gasket, reusable unless heat cycled (1x right/left side):
RHS stock height (1x): Cometic C5721-066 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
LHS stock height (1x): Cometic C5720-066 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
OR
RHS stock bore, .04 higher compression/.02" shorter than stock (1x): Cometic C5721-060 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
LHS stock bore, .04 higher compression/.02" shorter than stock (1x): Cometic C5720-060 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
OR
See the options available here for shorter, over bore, etc.: INTENSE HGP-0xx - http://www.intense-racing.com/PROD/HGP-0xx.html
NOTE: Pistons should measure out of cylinder hole ~0.025". You want .038"-.046" of quench according to INTENSE racing. For 0.035" quench + 0.025" out of hole = 0.060" thick gasket 0.04 extra compression and slightly more power.
NOTE: The arrow and the "L," or Left-Hand Side (LHS) gasket goes on the cylinder 1/3/5 side of the engine (towards the Fiero firewall, away from the donor car firewall). If you look at the rear cover from the rear of the engine, it goes on the left hand side.
NOTE: Your decks and heads must be perfectly flat and clean to install these MLS gaskets. Consider decking your surfaces, detailed in the Assembly videos section build 2. Otherwise they may leak.
NOTE: MLS should be reusable (unless heat cycled), and is not messy to clean off.
NOTE: Cometic indicated they have black Viton seal coating on the MLS gaskets and you should NOT use a copper spray on these. INTENSE racing says they do use copper spray. It is difficult sealing the coolant passages with these without a copper spray.

Head Bolts - yields (1x):
FEL-PRO ES 74033 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
OR
Reusable head studs (1x):
ARP 193-4001 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Instructions for installing ARP Head Studs - https://tech.arp-bolts.com/...uctions/193-4001.pdf
NOTE: DO NOT USE ARP THREAD SEALANT! INSTEAD USE A PERMATEX ULTRA BLACK GASKET MAKER AND CLEAN HEAD SURFACES WELL
NOTE: Required for head gasket

HEAD STUD SEALANT - DO NOT USE ARP THREAD SEALANT! (1x):
Permatex 82180 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Be sure not to get ANY on the head deck surface. Clean it off with a rag sprayed with brake cleaner if you do.
NOTE: You can get a different form factor of this, such as one that fits in a caulk gun for ease.
NOTE: How-to video on sealing head studs - https://youtu.be/z4XB0vyGkz...2qJnkff2RlPWB_O&t=26
NOTE: Required for head studs

ARP 7/16"-14 Thread Chaser (1x):
ARP 911-0004 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: For cleaning the old sealant out of the head bolt threads.
NOTE: Do NOT use a tap to clean out your head bolt threads. You can damage/weaken the threads.
NOTE: Required for head bolts/head studs

*Camshaft Bolt - yields (1x):
GM 24501366 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
OR
https://intense-racing.com/...H-BCM&Category_Code=
NOTE: ONLY IF CHANGING CAMSHAFT

*Crankshaft / Harmonic balancer Bolt - yields (1x):
GM 24504736 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: This is very involved to swap out; see video here - https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=51
NOTE: yields, required for removing the balancer/front cover/timing chain/camshaft/balance shaft

*Rocker Bolts - yields:
Non-reusable kit (3x 5-pack): GM 24503515 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
OR
Reusable kit (1x): S23BLTS-12 - https://ebay.us/gRhFwZ
NOTE: Comes with 1.9 Rockers
NOTE: Required if changing camshaft or head gasket or timing chain


High Strength Threadlocker for Rocker Bolts and plastic Lifter Retainers (1x):
Loctite 272 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Also used for lifter retainer bolts.
NOTE: Required for reusable rocker bolts / 1.9 rockers

*Timing chain
Melling 381A - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Replaced with double roller and no tensioner in build 2, requires deleting balance shaft

*Timing chain tensioner damper - deleted in build 2) (1x):
GM 24503893 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: This is very involved to swap out; see video here - https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=51

Extra thick front cover gasket (1x):
ZZP ZZ-FCGG - https://ebay.us/yoYNHs
NOTE: needed for double roller timing chain
or
GM 12587003 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: The GM gasket is not extra thick, not compatible with double roller.
NOTE: Required if changing camshaft, timing chain, or balance shaft deletion

Crankshaft Seal REAR (1x):
National 320691 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

Crankshaft Seal FRONT (1x):
GM 12582313 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: This is very involved to swap out; see video here - https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=51

Fuel injector o-ring pack (1x):
Dorman 90100 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: These may not be required, but you always need a spare or two. The factory o-rings with these DEKA injectors seem slightly undersized for some applications. Use the thick brown o-rings from the pack.

Intake/Exhaust Valve Stem Seals (1x set of 12):
FEL-PRO SS 72144 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

Water Pump (1x):
US MOTOR WORKS US5075 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
or
Electric Water Pump (1x):
Meziere WP140 - https://ebay.us/qajFeQ

Aluminum Water Pump Gasket (1x):
Fel-Pro 35804 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Required for Water Pump

Thread Sealant for bolts going in to water/oil jackets (1x):
Permatex 80632 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Required for water pump, front cover gasket, timing chain, camshaft, timing chain tensioner, lower intake manifold, etc.

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I have my engine (3800 SC) out of a 2002 Grand Prix 40th Ann. so I'll be watching VERY close for those vids...

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BUILD 2: A COMPLETE PARTS LIST FOR AN ALL-OUT 3800 BUILD (build 1 also needed if you are doing a Fiero swap)

THIS BUILD IS IN ADDITION TO BUILD 1, MEANING YOU MUST ORDER ALL OF BUILD 1 PARTS TOO, UNLESS SPECIFICALLY MARKED OTHERWISE

CLICK TO VIEW MOST OF BUILD 2 ON AMAZON

CLICK HERE FOR A PRICING GUIDE AND A CUSTOMIZABLE BUILD SHEET (maintained infrequently)

NOTE: THIS BUILD IS TO MAXIMIZE THE POWER OF YOUR M90 3800 AT A HIGH RPM WITH THE ZZP XPZ CAMSHAFT. CONSIDER DOING YOUR OWN RESEARCH INTO A LOWER RPM CAMSHAFT/VALVETRAIN AND AVOID A TIMING CHAIN/BALANCE SHAFT REMOVAL AND MACHINING CYLINDER HEAD VALVE GUIDES. MAYBE ONLY PUT 1.9 RATIO ROCKERS ON WITH A STOCK CAMSHAFT, OR TRY A ZZP VS OR XP CAMSHAFT FOR GOOD PERFORMANCE GAINS WITH MINIMAL EFFORT.

NOTE: IF YOU REMOVE YOUR CRANKSHAFT, TIMING CHAIN, CRANK POSITION SENSOR, AND/OR CAMSHAFT, YOU MAY NEED TO PERFORM A CRANKSHAFT POSITION LEARN IN THE TUNE. SEE THIS VIDEO: https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=35

NOTE: THIS BUILD IS MATCHED FOR A ZZP XPZ CAMSHAFT. NOTES INDICATE WHAT PARTS ARE REQUIRED FOR THIS CAMSHAFT.

NOTE: IF YOU INSTALL A NEW CAMSHAFT, LIFTERS, ROCKERS, BEARINGS, RODS, RINGS, OR PISTONS, ETC., YOU MUST BREAK-IN YOUR ENGINE. USE BREAK-IN OIL ADDITIVE AND DO NOT REV YOUR CAR MORE THAN ~4,000 RPM FOR THE FIRST ~1,500 MILES!

NOTE: THIS BUILD ASSUMES YOU DELETE the balance shaft/tensioner spring/balance shaft gear (to fit the double roller timing chain), detailed here: https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=51

This list assumes you buy a Series II engine and convert to a Series III supercharger. It would be easier to buy a Series III to begin with.

THE LIST:
The numbers in (x) are the quantity of parts you need to order.

-----Air-----
For turbo guys, check these out:
Intake manifold from a 1995-1998 Camaro/Firebird (1x): GM 24505489(?) - https://ebay.us/247eyG or GM 24505487 - https://ebay.us/kmUCH3 or GM 24504806 - https://ebay.us/rBlksV
NOTE: It would be difficult to use a 99-02 Camaro/Firebird intake (GM 24505923 / GM 24505921) because it is drive by wire and the inlet is angled in a poor direction.
Intake Manifold Gasket (1x): Fel-Pro MS 95794 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
Turbo Camshaft (1x): https://zzperformance.com/p..._sid=4b3e1dde6&_ss=r
Turbo kits - https://zzperformance.com/c...800-turbo-parts-kits

Everything else below this line is supercharged and much can work with a turbo setup.

Optional: Series III/GENV Supercharger from a 2004+ Pontiac Grand Prix GTP (upgrading from Series II / Gen 3) (1x):
GM 89017286 ; 89018119 ; 89017832 - https://ebay.us/iv2BaG or https://ebay.us/8KItxF or https://ebay.us/biozfL or https://ebay.us/ZXRG1n
or
Get at junkyard or buy a Series III engine -
https://www.car-part .com/cg...serIntSelect=1145748
NOTE: See thread with pictures of differences between gen 3 and gen 5 here - https://www.grandprixforums...en-five-gen-5-a.html or if that link is dead, here - https://drive.google.com/fi...LTZ54du8bvbQeNHYjx0L

Optional: Series III/GENV Intake Manifold (1x):
GM 12603871 ; 12594428 ; 12574837 ; 12574839 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
or
https://ebay.us/gVKjhJ or https://ebay.us/GVnWCu or https://ebay.us/jwekO7 or https://ebay.us/PP5tzT
or
Junkyard - https://www.car-part .com/cg...serIntSelect=1145748
NOTE: Alternatively, it may be is possible to mill out and machine a Series II/Gen3 intake manifold: GM 24505729; 24503726 or DORMAN 615-281 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Only needed if upgrading from series II/Gen3 to series III/GenV

Series III/GENV Supercharger Upper Intake Manifold Plenum Gasket Set (reusable) (1x):
Apex AMS3735 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
OR
Series II / Gen3 Upper Intake Manifold Plenum Gasket Set (1x):
FEL-PRO MS95744 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Required for Intake Manifold Gaskets
NOTE: The ZZP Phenolic Spacer and interooler kits each come with 2 garlock gaskets included, so this is not necessary if you order that. Extra ZZP Garlocks available here: https://zzperformance.com/p..._sid=ecdfe73d9&_ss=r
DUPLICATES BUILD 1

Northstar throttle body from a Year 2000+ Cadillac DeVille/Seville (1x):
GM 12560099 - https://ebay.us/P7GwMw
or
Junkyard - https://www.car-part.com/cg...userIntSelect=679348
NOTE: Only needed if upgrading from series II/Gen 3 to series III/Gen 5 Supercharger

Northstar Throttle Body Adapter Plate (1x):
Gen 3 Supercharger - https://ebay.us/kHPJFk
Gen 5 Supercharger - https://ebay.us/Css3nf
NOTE: ZZP sells a whole kit including MAF and NorthStar throttle body.

Northstar Throttle Cable Bracket Adapter (1x):
ZZ-NSCB - https://zzperformance.com/p...rottle-cable-bracket
NOTE: I had to slot the holes on this adapter bracket to get it to fit.

Cable stop end for Northstar throttle/cruise cable (1x):
Dorman 03336 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

LQ4 MAF from a 2000 6.0L Chevrolet Silverado 2500 (1x):
Delphi AF10043 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

MAF/IAT Connector Adapter for LQ4 MAF (1x):
https://zzperformance.com/p...riant=12623053619311
NOTE: Optional depending on setup and harness. James L. Brown can probably put the correct connector on depending on your needs. Length needs to be extended on some applications, especially LQ4 MAF/IAT and Northstar Throttle Body

*Intake Manifold Gasket Set (1x):
ACDelco 89017825 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
DUPLICATES BUILD 1

Grey Gasket Maker (1x):
Permatex 85144 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Use this on intake manifold gasket lifter valley seal corners AND on throttle body.
DUPLICATES BUILD 1

Optional: Longer Supercharger Bolts for upgrading from Series II / Gen 3 to a Series III / Gen 5 (1x of each):
Re-use all GEN 3 Supercharger bolts, but in addition:
M8x1.25x120mm bolt (1x): uxcell A15060500ux0101 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
M8x1.25x140mm bolt (1x): uxcell ‎A17110600ux0679 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
OR
M8x1.25 Threaded Rod (1x 2-pack): https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
M8x1.25 Nuts (1x 5-pack): Eastlo IN10050106-25 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: See supercharger upgrade instructions in Assembly Diagrams section - https://www.fiero.nl/forum/.../HTML/139530.html#p9
NOTE: Longer Bolts are included with intercooler and phenolic spacer kits, so you would not need these bolts.

Optional: 2.8" Supercharger Pulley (1x):
ZZPerformance 2.8 MPS - https://ebay.us/HxwDF4
NOTE: ZZP only guarantees a 2.8" pulley fits on all superchargers, but it is possible to go smaller in some cases (2.7, etc.) without machining.
NOTE: The smallest pulley ZZP offers is a 2.55" pulley after machining down the snout (see below): https://ebay.us/CXKc45
NOTE: If you go below 2.8", it is required to machine down the supercharger snout with a machining tool here: https://ebay.us/URtLzN. INTENSE Racing suggests this is pointless, as smaller pulleys beyond this point make exponentially increased temperature from compressed air.
NOTE: Instead of a smaller than a 2.8" supercharger pulley, consider a 5% overdrive balancer pulley detailed in later in this post. Dayco PBO81461SC5 (1x): https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
REPLACES BUILD 1

Optional 1" ZZP Phenolic Spacer (1x):
Gen 5 Supercharger - https://zzperformance.com/p.../m90-phenolic-spacer
OR
Gen 3 Supercharger https://zzperformance.com/p...riant=12623054930031
NOTE: NOT COMPATIBLE WITH INTERCOOLER (unless you want to punch a big hole in your decklid), instead opt for a 1/4" phenolic spacers if you intercool
NOTE: You will need around a 1.5" longer supercharger belt to support https://www.rockauto.com/en...h/?partnum=6k6%2A%2A

-----Intercooling-----
Note: See install video here: https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=75
NOTE: See other sections for redundant wire, wiring tools, hose clamps, fuel injector o-rings, custom fuel rails (required), NPT Tap set, gray gasket maker, antifreeze, spade connectors, tools, etc. OR see video description or amazon list:
CLICK HERE TO SEE INTERCOOLING LIST ON AMAZON
NOTE: IN ADDITION TO THIS SECTION, YOU NEED CUSTOM FUEL RAILS. SEE "Fuel rails, hoses, regulator, and fittings" SECTION OF build 2

Optional: Intercooler Kit (1x):
ZZP Stage 2.5:
Gen 5 supercharger - https://ebay.us/HWxShY
Gen 3 supercharger - https://ebay.us/KNkzse
OR
ZZP Short Stack:
Gen 5 supercharger - https://ebay.us/avvZgM
Gen 3 supercharger - https://ebay.us/dtriFM
NOTE: You will need around a 2.5" longer supercharger belt to support a full stack and a 1.5" longer belt to support a short stack https://www.rockauto.com/en...h/?partnum=6k6%2A%2A
NOTE: Full stack will need cutting into decklid to fit supercharger snout, pairs nicely with a 1/4" phenolic spacer
NOTE: Dual pass heat exchanger puts the hoses on the same side which worked for me. I do not know if it would cool any better.
NOTE: The heat exchanger in these intercooler kits WORK WELL FOR GT AERO NOSE FIEROS ONLY IF YOU MOUNT IT UNDER THE FRONT BUMPER. See heat exchangers below that will fit the non-GT (coupe/SE/2m4) nose:
24" Single Pass non-GT front mount heat exchanger (1x): https://ebay.us/V05ar1 (single pass)
24" Dual Pass non-GT front mount heat exchanger (1x): https://ebay.us/qxlte1

Optional: 1/4" Phenolic Spacer under intercooler (1x):
Gen 5 - https://zzperformance.com/p...riant=12623054995567
Gen 3 - https://zzperformance.com/p...riant=12623054864495
NOTE: Comes with two Garlock laser cut gaskets. I do not like these. For Gen 5, Instead, consider optionally getting two more Upper Intake Manifold Plenum Gaskets (above) for a total of 3: Apex AMS3735 (2x): https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: In order to maintain enough thread engagement. you may need some ~1/4"+ longer bolts than what is included in the 2.5" supercharger kit. The longest 2 bolts included in the ZZP kit are absolutely too short for the 1/4" spacer. Instead, opt for a M8x1.25 threaded rod, and cut it to about 190-195mm and put a nut on the top. Install the nut before cutting so you can run the nut over the cut threads to re-shape them, or just re-tap or file down the threads after cutting:
M8x1.25 Threaded Rod (1x 2-pack): https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
M8x1.25 Nuts (1x 5-pack): Eastlo IN10050106-25 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
M8x1.25x110 Bolts (7x / 2x 5-pack): uxcell a18082900ux0928 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

Intercooler Coolant Filler Neck 1" (3/4" ID) inlet/outlet (1x):
https://ebay.us/TTzHME
OR
https://zzperformance.com/c...intercooler-fill-kit (cheaper, plastic)
NOTE: You really need this for the pressure cap for pressure relief.
NOTE: Plug the overflow vent nipple.

1" (3/4" ID) Heater Hose for Intercooler (30 FT+):
Gates 28412 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: The intercooler KIT sold by ZZP above already comes with one 10' length, but that is not enough for a Fiero if you are mounting the intercooler radiator in front of the regular radiator. Cut the 30' hose into two 15' lengths.

1" (3/4" ID) molded rubber hose 90° elbow (2x):
DAYCO 80411 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

1" (3/4" ID) barb fitting (1x):
Sharkbite UC020LFA - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: For joining the molded rubber hose elbow above with the 30ft+ heater hose.

1/2" NPT to 1" (3/4" ID) Nipple 90° Elbows for intercooler radiator (2x):
Value Brands 6AFK0 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: For neatly making a right angle into intercooler radiator

45° 4" Intake Hose (1x):
Ucreative ‎‎U-SH-45-102-TZ - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: For relocating LQ4 MAF so it doesn't contact the rear decklid with a Northstar throttle body setup.
DUPLICATES BUILD 1

Optional: Intake Air Temperature Sensor relocation post-supercharger (1x):
Standard Motor Products AX1 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

Optional: 37/64 Drill bit for relocating Intake Air Temperature Sensor relocation post-supercharger (1x):
Drill America KFDRSD37/64 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl (or a 9/16 can work)
NOTE: You can drill and tap your intake manifold with a 3/8" NPT tap to stick this sensor inside after the supercharger for more accurate intake air temperature readings for tuning purposes. This sensor should plug right in to your existing harness. See build 1 or below for a NPT tap set.

Intake Air Temperature (IAT) Sensor extension cable (1x):
https://zzperformance.com/p...t-exten&_ss=e&_v=1.0
NOTE: For relocating intake air temperature sensor into the lower intake manifold after the supercharger. May not be necessary depending on where you relocate it to and how long your harness is.

Intercooler Pump Relay (1x):
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Redundant with fuel pump relays.
DUPLICATES BUILD 1

SPST Toggle Switch (1x):
mxuteuk‎ B07QGDDTWJ - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

In-line 20A fuse holders (2x):
Bussmann BP/HHG - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

10A Fuses (1x Assortment):
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl


Wire, Crimps, etc.:
See "Wiring Tools" subsection in Fuel section below.

Optional: Decklid Strut Kit (Passenger's ONLY) (1x): http://rodneydickman.com/pr....php?products_id=113
NOTE: Decklid shock kits ONLY if you removed torsion bars
NOTE: The driver's side decklid strut kit would interfere with the supercharger with the extra intercooler height. Instead opt for the hinge mounted decklid strut kits and shorter shocks below

Optional: Hinge mounted decklid strut kit (2x):
http://rodneydickman.com/pr....php?products_id=439
NOTE: ONLY for removed torsion bars. Double up these kits on both sides and used the old torsion bar bolt hole (M6x1x10 bolt) with a shorter shock. You flip them mounts upside down for more clearance if needed. See video https://youtu.be/fONskBO6BZ...Jnkff2RlPWB_O&t=1162

Optional: Extra short, stiffer shock (6.42" compressed/10.0" extended, 83lbs force) for hinge mounted decklid strut (2x):
Sachs/Stabilus 5b-990659/SG459022/95610/753329/F95610/5GS0080LBS/4061/6916 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Here are some more slightly longer and lighter force shocks if needed: 5B-3345XD (6.969" compressed/10.472" extended, 65lbs force); 5B-3658XP (7.008" compressed/11.22 extended, 67lbs force)

Alignment Roll/Tension Pin Set (1x):
Glarks B09WYDZNZD - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

-----Plugging throttle body/intake manifold heater/coolant holes/EVAP/EGR on a Gen V supercharger (Check local laws)-----
NOTE: CHECK LOCAL LAWS BEFORE REMOVING THESE SYSTEMS.
NOTE: See modification here - https://youtu.be/fONskBO6BZ...qJnkff2RlPWB_O
NOTE: For EGR, JBWeld a dime in the intake manifold hole, and welded the exhaust header hole shut (check local laws)
NOTE: If you run an intercooler, it is required to block off the coolant ports that go to the throttle body, since the intercooler does not have holes drilled.

Freeze plug kit (1x):
Dorman 557-001 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: 1/2" plug with JB Weld for EVAP Delete (check local laws)
NOTE: 2x 1/4" NPT used for plugging lower intake manifold throttle body coolant ports
NOTE: 1x 1/4" NPT could be used for plugging intercooler EGR port (check local laws) in the intercooler. Not large enough to seal in intake; consider 3/8 NPT instead.
NOTE: use NPT thread tape on these.
NOTE: Plugging throttle body coolant holes is REQUIRED for intercooling.

NPT tap set (1x):
Drill America POUCSNPT5 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
DUPLICATES BUILD 1

NPT Thread Tape (1x):
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

7/16" Drill bit (1x):
‎DEWALT DW1128 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: For 1/4" NPT Plugs

Cooling Circuit Bypass Gasket (1x):
MAHLE Original C31274 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

-----Fuel & E85 (Ethanol) Conversion-----
NOTE: See install video here: https://www.youtube.com/wat...IM_4I2qJnkff2RlPWB_O
NOTE: See most of this E85 conversion available on amazon: https://www.amazon.com/shop..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: See pipe sizes rules of thumb: https://bsiengr.com/wp-cont...e-Rules-of-Thumb.pdf

Injectors (6x):
Series 2 - Siemens DEKA EV1 80# Injectors - ‎110324 / FI-114992 - https://ebay.us/J2KDLU
OR
Series 3 - Siemens DEKA EV6 80# Injectors - 109991 / FI114991 - https://ebay.us/hPH7vq
NOTE: DO NOT BUY CHEAP INJECTORS ON EBAY OR AMAZON, THEY'RE FAKES. You can tell by the DEKA words on the injection molding; fakes do not have DEKA on them. If it is not around $50 per injector, it is probably a fake.
NOTE: Series III harnesses came with EV6 connectors and Series II harnesses came with EV1 connectors. Your harness provider should be able to put whichever connector on. If you end up with the wrong connectors, it is possible to get an adapter, but it will look messy (6x): https://zzperformance.com/p...riant=12623051948143
NOTE: Even if you do not use E85, you still need bigger injectors. 60# injectors would work, but it is easy to max them out on these engines. Avoid 160# injectors - they will be difficult to get to idle properly. 80# is a perfect sweet spot for the ultimate 3800sc build.

Fuel injector o-ring pack (1x):
Dorman 90100 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: These may not be required, but you always need a spare or two. The factory o-rings with these DEKA injectors seem slightly undersized for some applications. Use the thick brown o-rings from the pack.
DUPLICATES BUILD 1

Stainless Steel Fuel Sender Unit (1x):
https://www.fierostore.com/.../Detail.aspx?s=60912
NOTE: The factory sender unit reacts with ethanol and turns black and creates a corrosion layer that can come off and clog injectors. It is probably Zinc coated which is not compatible with ethanol fuel.

Optional: Ethanol Test Kit (1x):
REV X ST0501 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: When tuning, be sure to only tune for E85 (83% ethanol) so that it runs rich when "E85" sold at gas stations can legally be as low as E53.

Optional: Gauge Pod for Air to Fuel Gauge (Wideband O2) (1x):
Autometer 20100 Dual - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
OR
Autometer 20102 Single - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: See exhaust section in this post for AFR/Wideband O2 sensor.
NOTE: See install video https://www.youtube.com/wat...IM_4I2qJnkff2RlPWB_O

Optional: 3M Dual Lock 400 Velcro for Guage Pod (1x 3.3ft):
3M SJ3551 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

-----Fuel rails, hoses, regulator, and fittings-----
NOTE: See build 1 fuel diagram and parts. The difference below is adding custom fuel rails and a fuel pressure regulator.
NOTE: The stock Fuel rails will have a hard time keeping up with high power fuel demand. This fuel rail system completely overhauls the stock 3800 fuel rail system.
NOTE: Check out how to modify Series III/Gen 5 rails for a Series II/Gen 3 - https://www.gmtuners.com/fiero/returnless.htm

Optional: You can get a custom fuel hose system made by Larry Curchoe instead of some of the below setup. https://www.facebook.com/larry.curchoe

Return Style Custom Fuel Rails (1x):
ZZPerformance Series II Return Style Fuel Rails - https://ebay.us/ykY2Ph
OR
Aeromotive 14131 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Consider converting back to a Return style fuel system if you have a Series III engine. Prevents cavitation and you can run lower pressure.
NOTE: These are REQUIRED for intercooling.
NOTE: The Aeromotive fuel rails require more fitting adapters and would be a lot more expensive as a result.

Adjustable Fuel Pressure Regulator, 400lph, 35-70psi (1x):
EVIL ENERGY ‎KT01568BA-AMZ1 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Stock supercharged injectors are 33# (some say 36#) and are regulated to ~55PSI. Refer to your injector's manufacturer manual for proper regulator pressure. Siemens Deka 80 are 80# at 43.5 PSI.


-----Wiring Tools-----
Butt wire strippers/crimpers (1x):
IRWIN 2078309 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

Wire stripper (1x):
Klein Tools 11063W - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

B type wire crimpers (1x):
Delphi Packard ‎WHP T-11 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: This can NOT do 10ga wire insulation crimps. Instead of buying a $300 crimper, consider crimping with pliers or a vise instead.

Pin Removal Tool Kit (1x):
Kikerike TRTK - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

Soldering Station (1x):
YIHUA 8786D - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

-----Pump and wiring-----
NOTE: This wiring should be able to conduct 28 amps.

SEE DIAGRAM BELOW FOR CORRESPONDING NUMBERS

0 - AEM 340LPH Ethanol fuel pump (1x):
AEM 340lph 50-1200 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: This fuel pump should draw no more than 16 amps worst case.
OR
Quantum QFS-343FT-1016 (quieter) - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
OR
Deatschwerks DW300 9-301-1000 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Allegedly years ago Dark Horizon and Justin Bart went through a ton of pumps that were failing quickly. Deatschwerks are the only ones that held up. Unsure what all they tested.
REPLACES BUILD 1

1 - Fuel Pump Connector w/10ga Pins (1x):
Racetronix RCS-045 - https://www.racetronix.biz/...s-lg-12-10ga/rcs-045
or
DeatschWerks FPHWK - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: This can NOT do 10ga wire insulation crimps. Instead of buying a $300 crimper, consider crimping with pliers or a vise instead.

2 - 14ga Red Teflon Wire (2x10ft):
Racetronix WR-FEP-14-2 - https://www.racetronix.biz/...600v-red/wr-fep-14-2

3 - 14ga Black Teflon Wire (1x10ft):
Racetronix WR-FEP-14-0 - https://www.racetronix.biz/...0v-black/wr-fep-14-0

4 - 14ga (or smaller) Blue Teflon Wire (1x10ft):
Racetronix WR-FEP-14-6 - https://www.racetronix.biz/...00v-blue/wr-fep-14-6

5 - Crimp connectors (heat shrink) (1x):
Kuject HST320CA - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

6 - Vapor-side Connector Set, MP150 4F, ITWH (1x):
Racetronix RCS-061 - https://www.racetronix.biz/...h-vapor-side/rcs-061
NOTE: You can re-use the Fiero connector but you would need an extra pin.

7 - FS Bulkhead Connector Assembly 4-way (1x):
Racetronix BCA-4W - https://www.racetronix.biz/...ssembly-4-way/bca-4w
or
ATL CFD-504 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: This alternative bulkhead connector here is not included in the wiring diagram. You can fit some two 12ga wires through it, eliminating the need to run two sets of two smaller wires.

8 - Connector Set, MP150.2 4F (TPS/BCWA) (1x):
Racetronix RCS-058 - https://www.racetronix.biz/...-4f-tps-bcwa/rcs-058
or
Michigan Motorsports 65400 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

9 - Fuel tank lock ring and seal (1x):
Dorman 579-001 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
DUPLICATES BUILD 1

10 - 12ga Teflon black wire (3x 5ft):
Racetronix WR-FEP-12-0 - https://www.racetronix.biz/...0v-black/wr-fep-12-0
or
GPW B008NC36HQ - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

11 -
Wire loom 3/8" (13ft): ‎GS Power ‎SL3-8L50 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
Electrical Tape (1x): ‎SoundOriginal ‎SOGN-ET 19052601 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

12/13 -
4-way Weatherpack connector set and pins (1x):
Fastronix ‎401-104 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
OR
6-way Weatherpack connector set and pins (1x):
Fastronix ‎401-106 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

14 - 15A Fuse (1x):
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

15 - Fuel Pump Relay and 10ga Pins (1x):
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: THIS SHOULD ALREADY BE INCLUDED IN YOUR WIRING HARNESS IF YOU BOUGHT IT. IF IT IS, YOU WILL INSTEAD NEED NEW PINS BELOW
DUPLICATES BUILD 1
Optional: Extra 10ga relay pins (1x):
Delphi Packard 12033997 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: The insulation crimps on these pins are 10ga. The T-11 style crimpers will NOT crimp these. Consider crimping manually.

16 - In-line 20A fuse holders (1x):
Bussmann BP/HHG - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
DUPLICATES BUILD 1


-----Spark-----
Optional: Spark Plugs (6x / 2x 4-pack):
Autolite AR103 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
Note: last longer and burn better (according to marketing) probably to further eliminate KR and hot spots in the ignition chamber. Have a back cut electrode. They are 3 ranges cooler than stock plugs (Autolite 606). Gap to .035” to .040”.
REPLACES BUILD 1

-----Exhaust (ENTIRELY REPLACES BUILD 1 EXHAUST)-----
NOTE: This exhaust is not equal length. It does not sound like a professional exhaust, but it is practically straight-piped. The muffler is VERY loud, extra bottle mufflers do help it.

SEE DIAGRAM BELOW FOR CORRESPONDING NUMBERS

#1 90° bend 2.5" diameter (1x 2-PACK):
‎X AUTOHAUX ‎a22111700ux0402 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
DUPLICATES BUILD 1

#2 Muffler (1x):
Flowmaster 72206 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
OR
Vibrant 10632 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
OR
Borla 60714
NOTE: REQUIRES CUTTING OUT BOTTOM SECTION OF TRUNK TO FIT WITH HEADERS! FLOWMASTER ALSO IS 2.5" INLET AND WILL NEED AN ADAPTER

#3 Optional: Mini bottle Mufflers (2x):
TOTALFLOW 6644 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Get the 4" long muffler with 2.5" dia. 7" long would be very difficult to work with.

#4 Stainless Chinese exhaust headers for a Pontiac Grand Prix GTP (1x):
https://ebay.us/jebzk1
NOTE: REQUIRES CUTTING BOTTOM SECTION OF TRUNK TO FIT! Also, Since the Grand Prix GTP headers will likely not fit out of the box, the cross-over pipe will require cutting and re-welding, and the sensor hole may require welding shut (check local laws).
NOTE: It seems the Chinese have stopped making these headers. You may be able to find them occasionally used, or every expensive ones from ZZP instead. https://zzperformance.com/c...riant=18518733422654

#5 Optional: Exhaust wrap Titanium (1x): -
Design Engineering 010130 (2" by 100' roll) - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Exhaust wrapping the Chinese headers is painful but is a MUST, the exhaust headers get extremely hot, especially in the tight Fiero engine bay. Wear gloves when wrapping and watch the how-to video at https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=49

#6 Optional: Stainless Tie bands for exhaust wrap (~30x):
Keadic K150 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

#7 Exhaust Hanger (1x 2-pack):
Walker 36272 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

#8 3" v-band flange and clamp (1x):
Blackhorse racing ‎HM0923 / ER2602 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

Exhaust Tips (2x):
Re-used stock Fiero exhaust tips.

2" exhaust clamp for exhaust headers crossover pipe (1x 2-piece):
EVIL ENERGY ‎ES00424S2.5-2 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Not shown in diagram; if you order the ZZP headers, then you only need one of these.

Optional: Air to Fuel Ratio Gauge / O2 Sensor (1x):
AEM 30-4110 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: HIGHLY RECOMMENDED FOR TUNING! (REQUIRES TUNING SOFTWARE OR HARDWARE AND CUSTOM WIRING)
NOTE: SEE INSTALL VIDEO https://www.youtube.com/wat...IM_4I2qJnkff2RlPWB_O

Optional: Vortex Cone Exhaust Sound Reducers
2.5" (2x): https://ebay.us/RfCwSa
3" (1x): https://ebay.us/swnJuP



-----Cylinder Heads/Valvetrain/Pushrods/Lifters-----
NOTE: Using Series III heads. Stock Series III valves (1.83") are 0.030" larger in diameter than stock Series II valves (1.80").
NOTE: Cylinder Head Modification and porting: Machining off 0.060" off of intake valve guides and 0.030" off of exhaust valve guides (for 1.65 rockers; for stock 1.6 rockers you could machine off 0.050" intake and 0.010" exhaust valve guides) EXCLUSIVELY MATCHED FOR XPZ CAMSHAFT, valve job, gasket match intake runners, widened exhaust runners (maintain D shape). Head surface was decked. Performed at machine shop. See build 2 assembly video section for instructions on custom porting heads.

MLS Head Gasket, reusable unless heat cycled (1x right/left side):
RHS stock height (1x): Cometic C5721-066 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
LHS stock height (1x): Cometic C5720-066 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
OR
RHS stock bore, .04 higher compression/.02" shorter than stock (1x): Cometic C5721-060 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
LHS stock bore, .04 higher compression/.02" shorter than stock (1x): Cometic C5720-060 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
OR
See the options available here for shorter, over bore, etc.: INTENSE HGP-0xx - http://www.intense-racing.com/PROD/HGP-0xx.html
NOTE: Pistons should measure out of cylinder hole ~0.025". You want .038"-.046" of quench according to INTENSE racing. For 0.035" quench + 0.025" out of hole = 0.060" thick gasket 0.04 extra compression and slightly more power.
NOTE: The arrow and the "L," or Left-Hand Side (LHS) gasket goes on the cylinder 1/3/5 side of the engine (towards the Fiero firewall, away from the donor car firewall). If you look at the rear cover from the rear of the engine, it goes on the left hand side.
NOTE: Your decks and heads must be perfectly flat and clean to install these MLS gaskets. Consider decking your surfaces, detailed in the Assembly videos section build 2. Otherwise they may leak.
NOTE: MLS should be reusable (unless heat cycled), and is not messy to clean off.
NOTE: Cometic indicated they have black Viton seal coating on the MLS gaskets and you should NOT use a copper spray on these. INTENSE racing says they do use copper spray. It is difficult sealing the coolant passages with these without a copper spray.
DUPLICATES BUILD 1

Optional: 1.65 Rockers Arms with reusable rocker bolts (yields) (12x):
ZZP ZZ-165RA - https://ebay.us/AodQ3m
NOTE: MATCHED FOR XPZ CAMSHAFT. ANY HIGHER RATIO ROCKERS ARE NOT EVER RECOMMENDED FOR NON-FACTORY CAMSHAFTS.
NOTE: Consider instead of a camshaft the 1.9 Rockers NOT COMPATIBLE WITH ANY CAMSHAFT!!!! - https://ebay.us/NWDUd8
NOTE: Use with red loctite

*Rocker Bolts - yields:
Non-reusable kit (3x 5-pack): GM 24503515 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
OR
Reusable kit (1x): S23BLTS-12 - https://ebay.us/gRhFwZ
NOTE: Comes with 1.9 Rockers
NOTE: Required if changing camshaft or head gasket or timing chain
DUPLICATES BUILD 1

High Strength Threadlocker for Rocker Bolts and plastic Lifter Retainers (1x):
Loctite 272 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Also used for lifter retainer bolts.
NOTE: Required for reusable rocker bolts / 1.9 rockers
DUPLICATES BUILD 1

Valve Springs 130# @ 0.050” installed height valve springs, 0.600" lift max (12x):
PAC 1218 - comes with 16 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: MATCHED FOR XPZ CAMSHAFT, WOULD WORK ON OTHER CAMSHAFTS. COULD GO HIGHER SPRING WEIGHT BUT THIS WEARS OUT PARTS FASTER.
NOTE: Put some shims under the springs for a little extra spring weight.
NOTE: ZZP stopped recommending 135# valve springs for XPZ and only recommends 150# now. These 130# springs can still work.
NOTE: DO NOT BUY CHEAP SPRINGS, THEY ARE FAKE

LS1 Valve Spring Retainers (12x):
GM 10166344 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: MATCHED FOR XPZ CAMSHAFT, WOULD WORK ON OTHER CAMSHAFTS
NOTE: These LS1 retainers allow for ~0.005” more valve guide to retainer clearance! ZZP sells their own machined down valve retainers now, but they do not give the dimensions currently.

LS1 Valve Locks / Keepers (3x 5-pack):
GM 10166345 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

Intake/Exhaust Valve Stem Seals (1x set of 12):
FEL-PRO SS 72144 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
DUPLICATES BUILD 1

LS7 Hydraulic Roller Lifters (12x):
GM 12698945 / BTR ‎X12499225-16 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: MATCHED FOR XPZ CAMSHAFT, WOULD WORK ON OTHER CAMSHAFTS
NOTE: ZZP Lifter quality has been poor recently; many lifters have been collapsing. Sometimes they do not pump up out of the box. Go name brand, not repackaged junk.

Head Bolts - yields (1x):
FEL-PRO ES 74033 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
OR
Reusable head studs (1x):
ARP 193-4001 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Instructions for installing ARP Head Studs - https://tech.arp-bolts.com/...uctions/193-4001.pdf
NOTE: DO NOT USE ARP THREAD SEALANT! INSTEAD USE A PERMATEX ULTRA BLACK GASKET MAKER AND CLEAN HEAD SURFACES WELL
NOTE: Required for head gasket
DUPLICATES BUILD 1

HEAD STUD SEALANT - DO NOT USE ARP THREAD SEALANT! (1x):
Permatex 82180 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Be sure not to get ANY on the head deck surface. Clean it off with a rag sprayed with brake cleaner if you do.
NOTE: You can get a different form factor of this, such as one that fits in a caulk gun for ease.
NOTE: How-to video on sealing head studs - https://youtu.be/z4XB0vyGkz...2qJnkff2RlPWB_O&t=26
NOTE: Required for head studs
DUPLICATES BUILD 1

ARP 7/16"-14 Thread Chaser (1x):
ARP 911-0004 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: For cleaning the old sealant out of the head bolt threads.
NOTE: Do NOT use a tap to clean out your head bolt threads. You can damage/weaken the threads.
NOTE: Required for head bolts/head studs
DUPLICATES BUILD 1

ZZP Pushrod length Checker (1x):
ZZP ZZ-PRDLCKR-3800 - https://ebay.us/UXqjf3

Ignore this: Intake Pushrod (stock size 7.029") (6x):
MELLING MPR605 (MPR-605) - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: MEASURE YOUR REQUIRED PUSHROD LENGTH WITH THE PUSHROD LENGTH CHECKER! YOURS WILL BE DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON CAM, DECKING, VALVES, VALVE RETAINERS, LIFTERS, AND HEAD GASKET SETUP!
NOTE: See video here & description - https://youtu.be/dT3Hwe8S4X...qJnkff2RlPWB_O&t=288

Ignore this: Exhaust Pushrod - 7.00" (6x):
https://zzperformance.com/c...riant=12623547760751
NOTE: MEASURE YOURS WITH THE PUSHROD LENGTH CHECKER! YOURS WILL BE DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON CAM, DECKING, VALVES, VALVE RETAINERS, LIFTERS, AND HEAD GASKET SETUP!
NOTE: See video & description here - https://youtu.be/dT3Hwe8S4X...qJnkff2RlPWB_O&t=288

-----Camshaft, timing chain, and balance shaft removal-----
ZZP XPZ Camshaft (1x):
XPZ-1 - https://zzperformance.com/p...riant=12623418163311
NOTE: Consider the XP camshaft instead, which would not require cutting down the valve guides, or the VS camshaft to avoid chaining the timing chain, or just 1.9 rockers that is very simple and easy found in build 1.

Camshaft Installation/Assembly Lube (1x):
GM 12345501 / Comp Cams 153 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

Double Roller Rollmaster Timing Chain Set (1x):
Rollmaster CS6150 - https://ebay.us/OwkBqD
NOTE: Needs 130#-150# valve springs
NOTE: MATCHED FOR XPZ CAMSHAFT, WOULD WORK ON OTHER CAMSHAFTS. IF NOT USING A DOUBLE ROLLER/DELETING BALANCE SHAFT/DELETING TENSIONER, THIS WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO REPLACE ANYWAYS (WITH A SINGLE ROLLER) ALONG WITH TIMING CHAIN SPRING TENSIONER AS THESE WEAR OUT. THIS DOUBLE ROLLER REQUIRES BALANCE SHAFT/TENSIONER/GEAR DELETION.

Machined oil pump cover/oil pump replacement kit (1x):
ZZP # ZZ-OILPCVR - https://ebay.us/oQ167n
NOTE: required for rollmaster double timing chain clearance - Surface grind the non-oil pump side of the cover down by grinding off .023", or buy ZZP's.

Extra thick front cover gasket (1x):
ZZP ZZ-FCGG - https://ebay.us/yoYNHs
NOTE: needed for double roller timing chain
or
GM 12587003 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: The GM gasket is not extra thick, not compatible with double roller.
NOTE: Required if changing camshaft, timing chain, or balance shaft deletion

*Camshaft Bolt - yields (1x):
GM 24501366 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
OR
https://intense-racing.com/...H-BCM&Category_Code=
NOTE: ONLY IF CHANGING CAMSHAFT
DUPLICATES BUILD 1

*Crankshaft / Harmonic balancer Bolt - yields (1x):
GM 24504736 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: This is very involved to swap out; see video here - https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=51
NOTE: yields, required for removing the balancer/front cover/timing chain/camshaft/balance shaft
DUPLICATES BUILD 1

Chrysler 440 camshaft bearing to seal oil hole in Balance shaft delete (1x):
ENGINETECH CC476 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: POUND THIS IN TO BLOCK OIL PASSAGE LEFT OPEN BY REMOVING BALANCE SHAFT, WITH OILING HOLES ON OPPOSITE SIDES SO ITS PLUGGED. DETAILED IN VIDEO - https://www.youtube.com/wat...WB_O&index=40&t=333s

Crankshaft Seal REAR (1x):
National 320691 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
DUPLICATES BUILD 1

Crankshaft Seal FRONT (1x):
GM 12582313 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: This is very involved to swap out; see video here - https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=51
DUPLICATES BUILD 1

Engine Break-In Additive Oil (2x):
Comp Cams 159 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

Camshaft Bearings (1x):
MAHLE / CLEVITE SH1812S - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: It is very difficult to replace camshaft bearings without completely disassembling the bottom-end (not detailed in this build). Some people choose not to change them.

Harmonic Balancer Puller (1x):
Lisle 45300 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: You can rent these from an auto parts store for free instead, but you may need to visit multiple stores to get the correct combination.

Optional: 5% overdrive harmonic balancer pulley (equal to taking a 2.8" pulley down to a 2.66" pulley to overdrive the supercharger even more). (1x):
DAYCO PBO81461SC5 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: This is highly recommended to install if you remove the balance shaft, to dampen vibrations.
NOTE: 5% overdrive balancer/AC pulley bypass install video - https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=37
NOTE: These balancers are SFI rated.
NOTE: There is alternatively a 10% accessory belt underdrive balancer, but it decreases the performance of your water pump, AC compressor, and power steering: Dayco PBU81461SS10 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

Oil Neck Spacer Bracket for 5% overdrive harmonic balancer pulley (1x):
https://ebay.us/Z6Lqs0
OR
Hayden Automotive 291 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: ONLY a GTP oil filter housing bracket to work with this, shown in BUILD 1

Oil Pump Kit (1x):
Melling K195 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
DUPLICATES BUILD 1

ZZP Oil Volume Kit (1x):
https://zzperformance.com/products/oil-volume-kit
NOTE: HIGHLY RECOMMENDED If you install the overdrive balancer; it is easy to do while the balancer is off.
DUPLICATES BUILD 1

Optional: 8-rib 3" plastic smooth pulleys for the 8-rib 5% overdrive balancer (2x):
Gates 38023 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

Optional: 8-rib 3" steel ribbed pulley for the 8-rib 5% overdrive balancer (1x):
Gates 38053 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Plastic 8-rib with 1 bearing does not exist. You could instead buy a lighter weight aluminum pulley if you have the cash. Contact this website owner and ask for a single 8 rib 3" ribbed pulley (ZZP Style with one extra rib on either side): https://www.smoothflowpulle..._rib_L67_idlers.html

Water Pump (1x):
US MOTOR WORKS US5075 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
or
Electric Water Pump (1x):
Meziere WP140 - https://ebay.us/qajFeQ
DUPLICATES BUILD 1

Aluminum Water Pump Gasket (1x):
Fel-Pro 35804 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Required for Water Pump
DUPLICATES BUILD 1

Thread Sealant for bolts going in to water/oil jackets (1x):
Permatex 80632 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Required for water pump, front cover gasket, timing chain, camshaft, timing chain tensioner, lower intake manifold, etc.
DUPLICATES BUILD 1

Optional: Underdrive Water Pump Pulley (1x):
http://www.smoothflowpulley...lley-Underdrive.html
OR
https://zzperformance.com/p...mp-underdrive-pulley
NOTE: Reduces cooling system capacity but also decreases parasitic horsepower loss. Instead consider the Electric Water Pump

-----Optional: Pistons, Rods, Bearings, etc. (Bottom End)-----
NOTE: IF YOU ARE PLANNING ON REBUILDING THE BOTTOM END WHICH IS OPTIONAL, YOU MUST KEEP EVERYTHING PAIRED, GET PROPERLY OVERSIZED BEARINGS, ETC. SEE GUIDE FOR DROPPING OFF AT A MACHINE SHOP IN Assembly videos section build 2
NOTE: See general 3800 repair parts here - https://www.amazon.com/shop..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

Optional (discontinued?): 4.2L Stroker Kit
Mace Engineering - https://www.maceengineering...TS-TO-SUIT-V6-ECOTEC

Optional: ARP Main Stud Kit (1x):
ARP 193-5401 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

Optional: Crankshaft bearings (1x):
https://www.rockauto.com/en...ft+main+bearing,5220
NOTE: Have a shop tell you what oversize bearings you need. You NEED to measure it and have your crankshaft/rods reconditioned by a machine shop and ground round.

Optional: Connecting Rods (6x):
ZZP H Beam - https://zzperformance.com/p..._sid=91a9a3e18&_ss=r
or Factory connecting rods (6x): GM 12593375 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

Optional: Connecting Rod Bolts (1x):
https://zzperformance.com/p..._sid=760b69eb3&_ss=r

Optional: Pistons (6x):
Higher compression FORGED - https://zzperformance.com/c...riant=12623094710383
Higher compression HYPEREUTECTIC - https://zzperformance.com/c...riant=12623524954223
Factory - https://www.rockauto.com/en...3,engine,piston,5620
NOTE: Have a machine shop measure and determine for you.

Optional: Piston Ring Kit (1x):
https://www.rockauto.com/en...ine,piston+ring,5640
NOTE: Have a machine shop measure and determine for you.

-----4t65e-HD/4T65e/4T60e Transmission-----
NOTE: Have a professional disassemble your transmission and install the below parts. This is a very complicated process and can be very easy to mess up. Modification of this transmission is not highly detailed in this build, but there is a video covering it in the video section.
NOTE: Check out https://tripleedgeperformance.com/online-store - they will build a transmission for you.

Optional: Hardened Input Shaft (1x):
ZZP 300M "1000hp" - https://ebay.us/YEjz2d
OR
ZZP 4340 "600hp" - https://ebay.us/W10CSv
NOTE: These need a GM J-tool and complicated disassembly to be installed properly, must take off valve body to access and replace gaskets. This shaft is to support over 350 whp. I do not believe the ZZP marketing for these horsepower numbers. If you plan to go over 400hp, opt for the 300M shaft.

Optional: Chrome Moly Pump Shaft (1x):
ZZP ZZ-CMPS-4T65E - https://zzperformance.com/p...rome-moly-pump-shaft
NOTE: These need a GM J-tool and complicated disassembly to be installed properly, must take off valve body to access and replace gaskets. This shaft is to support over 350 whp

Hardened 4th Clutch Shaft (1x):
84570G / 24205603 / A84570G / 84860C / 24207289 - https://ebay.us/Hhob9N
NOTE: These need a GM J-tool and complicated disassembly to be installed properly, must take off valve body to access and replace gaskets. This shaft is to support over 350 whp

Automatic Transmission Service Overhaul Kit (1x):
GM Genuine Parts 19258573 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: Required for shift solenoids
NOTE: Required for hardened input shaft, 4th clutch shaft, and pump shaft
NOTE: Could get more expensive kits with clutch packs if you choose to change those. See overhaul video here - https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=15
DUPLICATES BUILD 1

*Flexplate Bolts (yields) (8x):
GM 24501365 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl or https://ebay.us/8zWGbd
NOTE: ONLY NECESSARY if you remove the automatic flexplate. These bolts YIELD and need to be replaced. These DO NOT WORK on a manual transmission, see FieroRog's Flywheel bolts in the MOUNTING AND BRACKETS section of this build 1
DUPLICATES BUILD 1

Torque Converter (1x):
DACCO B21JXFM - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl or https://ebay.us/lwhUad
NOTE: See here for stalls - https://atracom.blob.core.w...al/2013/2013-049.pdf
NOTE: A Bonneville SSEI (JSFM) or Park Avenue Ultra torque converter may be too low stall for a Fiero. Mine idled around 20mph.
NOTE: A GTP/Regal torque converter (JTFM) might be OK, or a higher stall (JZFM or JXFM) Converter would be better. JXFM was highest stall. Works great in a 3800 Fiero (JXFM did NOT come on supercharged 3800s)
NOTE: YOU ALSO NEED TO FILL THE TORQUE CONVERTER BACK UP WITH TRANSMISSION FLUID BEFORE THE INSTALL!
DUPLICATES BUILD 1

Transmission Fluid Dexron III - 7.4 quarts (maintenance) or 10 quarts (total drain including replacing the torque converter) (1x 12-pack):
Valvoline UM746 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
DUPLICATES BUILD 1

Optional: 4t65e-HD/4T65e/4T60e Transmission Shift Kit (1x):
https://ebay.us/Zw4LgI

Optional: Positraction Differential (1x):
Phantom Grips PGXBACUS1 - https://ebay.us/nvhu2S
OR
Engineered Performance - http://www.engineered.net/eplsd.htm
NOTE: This Engineered Performance LSD works great but his website does not always work. Contact Jeff Ianitello directly: https://www.facebook.com/jeff.ianitello

Optional: 3.29 Gear Set, 7/8" chain and sprockets (1x):
ZZ-GRCK-3.29 - https://zzperformance.com/p...ratio-conversion-kit
NOTE: This will increase your engine RPM to maintain the same speed as before, so cruising on the highway might be unpleasant. These are probably long gone!

Optional: Transmission Oil Cooler Pan (1x):
ZZP - https://ebay.us/BS2bUj or https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
NOTE: There are two options depending on your car's bolt sizes. Read the product description.
NOTE: If you are very hard on your car (autocross), you can buy this to avoid mounting a secondary oil cooler on your car.
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Well I am tearing down my 2nd 3800sc engine for a rebuild now and doing a how-to about it.

I decided to launch a Facebook page, as Facebook seems to have replaced some Forums as a modern source of information in many ways. You can find it here:

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Great job on the video Austin...I enjoyed watching it. I am sure it will be very helpful to many!!!

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3800sc Assembly Diagrams and Torque Specs
-----FIRING ORDER-----



-----COOLANT AND FUEL LINES-----
Coolant Lines - see build 1
Fuel Lines & Wiring - See build 2
NOTE: Fuel lines are straightforward for build 1; the fittings provided in build 1 connect directly to the old Fiero lines and the 3800 lines.

-----Throttle Cable/Cruise Mounting-----
Courtesy of GMTuners - https://www.gmtuners.com/swap/3800.htm
NOTE: This only works for a Series II throttle body. Throttle cable bracket for Northstar throttle body availble in build 2 - ZZ-NSCB - https://zzperformance.com/p...rthstar&_ss=e&_v=1.0




-----SUPERCHARGER, CONNECTIONS, AND ROUTINGS-----
Diagram of Gen 3 Supercharger and hose routings:


Diagram of Gen 5 Supercharger and hose routings:


-----4t65e-HD/4T65e/4T60e Transmission-----
Check out 4t65e-HD upgrades. These guys will also rebuild your 4t65e-HD/4T65e/4T60e Transmission for you:
https://tripleedgeperformance.com/online-store

4T65 Repair guide: https://www.instructables.c...50e-HD-transmission/

4t65 transmission diagram, parts available here:
https://www.transpartsonlin...TransPartsType=4T65E


How to connect 4t65 transmission lines to Fiero:


-----EXHAUST SETUP FOR BUILD 1-----
See build 1 parts list. This setup is for mating with the stock exhaust headers, which can support up to 300hp.

EVERYTHING BELOW THIS LINE IS FOR BUILD 2.
-----TORQUES & TORQUE SEQUENCES-----
NOTE: The Torque Sequence refers to the order in which you torque bolts. Head bolt torque sequencing can require multiple steps. Please refer to the torque guide website below for these steps, or to the guide from your manufacturer.

3800 Engine Torque Specs (helpful to print this off):
NOTE: THE TORQUE SPEC CALLING OUT 74 ft-lbs FOR A/C COMPRESSOR BRACKET/STAY IS INCORRECT. SUGGEST TO USE 30 ft-lbs INSTEAD.
https://www.torkspec.com/to...3.8L-231ci-V6-3800II

3800 Cylinder Head Torque Sequence for both sides. Follow torque values in the torque spec website for stock or follow the head stud manufacturer's torque specs.

NOTE: ARP Head stud torque specs found here: https://tech.arp-bolts.com/...uctions/193-4001.pdf Courtesy of ARP


Series II Supercharged Lower Intake Manifold Torque Sequence:
NOTE: #5 is not shown, but it is directly below #11.


Gen V/Series III Supercharger Torque Sequence:
Courtesy of ZZP


-----GEN 3 to GEN 5 SUPERCHARGER SWAPPING AND NA TO SUPERCHARGER TOP SWAPPING-----
Excellent Gen 3 to Gen 5 Supercharger Upgrade Guide:
http://www.grandprixforums....en-five-gen-5-a.html or if that link is dead https://drive.google.com/fi...LTZ54du8bvbQeNHYjx0L

Another Gen 3 to Gen 5 Supercharger Upgrade Guide:
https://www.instructables.c...n-V-M90-Swap-on-L67/

ZZP's 3800 NA to Gen 3 supercharger installation instructions:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/zzp...rger+Kit+Install.pdf

-----ENGINE EXPLODED VIEW ASSEMBLY DIAGRAMS-----
You can find most of these diagrams and the part #s of the parts labeled at many GM parts websites. These diagrams were taken from here:
https://www.wholesalegmpart...x-GTP-4DR-parts.html or https://webautocats.com/epc/pontiac/29w-w/00/

Fuel Rail, Supercharger, Lower Intake Manifold, Exhaust, Throttle, EGR diagram:


Cylinder Head, Valve Train, Coil Pack, Lifter, Pushrod, Rocker, and Valve Cover Assembly.


Water Pump, Front Cover, Alternator Bracket, Thermostat, Balancer diagram:


Front Cover, Oil Pump, Oil Pan, Dipstick diagram


Camshaft, Rear Cover, Flywheel, Crankshaft, Timing Chain, Balance Shaft, Piston, Connecting Rod diagram:


Transmission to Engine Mating Diagram:


Crankshaft and Camshaft Timing Gear TDC Alignment:


-----FUEL PRESSURE REGULATOR SETUP OPTIONS-----
SEE BUILD 2 FUEL SECTION FOR PARTS AND DIAGRAM OF MY SETUP
NOTE: This assumes you get rid of stock fuel rails.
NOTE: My setup (bottom) is a very simply routed return-style, however it may not be the most effective. I do not recommend returnless, or #1 or #3 that dead-head one rail.


-----NORTHSTAR THROTTLE BODY-----
Northstar throttle cable (see build 2 air section for parts):
NOTE: I did not hook up cruise control here. You are on your own. You can use stock cruise control if you remove vacuum accumulator canister (coffee can), plug that port from the stock vacuum accumulator canister, and plug the other port into the vacuum port on the top of the supercharger. Or, see harness section for wiring the electronic 3800 cruise module into the fiero.


-----HOW TO HOOK UP PCV-----
All you do is attach a hose from the Northstar TB nipple (before butterfly valve but after MAF) to the nipple on the supercharger by the PCV. You may need to change the direction of the nipple on the northstar throttle.The air goes from the throttle body, through the supercharger nipple, through the intake manifold, through the heads to the crank case, back up through the heads, back through the intake manifold, through the PCV valve, and back into the supercharger intake. There is no way to run a catch can without bypassing the actual PCV in some way, since it sits directly in the Gen 5 Supercharger intake.


-----EXHAUST SETUP FOR BUILD 2-----
NOTE:See build 2 Exhaust section parts list.

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I have not heard of most people re-designing the existing fuel pump circuit. I believe most have utilized the original circuit, especially the oil pressure switch and just upgraded the fuel pump fuse to a 15 amp. Some have replaced the original relay with a newer model, but the wiring has remained the same.. curtis
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WIRING HARNESS AND COMPUTER/ECU/PCM PROGRAMMING
NOTE: See programming/tuning video here - https://www.youtube.com/wat...index=33&pp=gAQBiAQB
NOTE: See Fuel/Spark Tuning video here - https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=35

NOTE: You need to pull the entire engine harness off of the donor car. Nothing past the firewall is needed except for the OBDII port. You do not need the headlight harness.

-----Buying a harness-----
Want to buy a harness and PCM tune? I highly recommend this. Contact one of the below guys:
James L. Brown - https://www.facebook.com/Fiero3800harnesses/
Dan McIlmoyle - https://www.facebook.com/danny.mcilmoyle
West Coast Fiero (expensive!) - https://westcoastfiero.com/...ess-for-conversions/
Joe Welch (olejoedad) - https://www.fiero.nl/cgi-bi...cgi?sendto=olejoedad

And supply them with the following information, including programming:
Ship them your donor harness and donor computer (PCM/ECU)
Fiero Year/Model?
Year/Make/Model of donor car engine?
Transmission type?
Keep or delete EGR? (Check Local Laws)
Keep or delete EVAP system? (Check Local Laws)
Keep or delete rear O2 sensor after catalytic converter? (Check Local Laws)
Keep or delete Boost Bypass valves/solenoid?
Throttle Body and MAF type?
88 Fiero oil pressure sender 3-pin (only center pin used)
3 pin temp sensor (use the center pin for fiero gauge)
Keep or delete A/C pressure sensor connector near compressor connector?
Keep or delete Electronic cruise control?
Speedometer sensor buffer circuit
External or Internal transmission gear selection range switch?
MAP sensor type? (1-bar or 2-bar?)

Programming:
Delete ABS/TCS
Radiator fan activate at low temp (185?) and turn off at 180
Accommodate for type of MAF/TPS/IAC tables
Vehicle Speed Sensor programmed at:
24,713.7 ppm if using stock 215/60R15 rear tires
24,327.5 ppm if using specific 225/60r15 rear tires
VATS Security delete
Rev Limiter? (Up to ~6700 with XPZ camshaft)
Amount of timing to add? Determined by below
Camshaft type?
Supercharger type?
Supercharger pulley size?
Fuel type? (87/89/91/93 octane or E15 or E85?)
Cooling type if added? (Methanol injection, nitrous, intercooled?)
Head Gasket Type?
Compression Ratio?
Other modification type? (ported heads, ported supercharger, fuel injectors, exhaust system, valve springs, rocker ratio)

Here is a homemade spliced harness:


Video: Here is my engine bay with James L. Brown's harness
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=53


James L. Brown's harness routed properly through an engine bay:


[SIZE=3-----Building a harness-----[/SIZE]
NOTE: See programming/tuning video here - https://www.youtube.com/wat...index=33&pp=gAQBiAQB
See build 1 harness section for a parts list - https://www.fiero.nl/forum/.../HTML/139530.html#p5

Ryan Gick (Gmtuners/Sinister Performance) will sell you a tune if you are building your own harness. - https://www.gmtuners.com/ep...2wXDLObKJDCwUtgerhpI You can also contact him here: https://www.facebook.com/pr...p?id=100080110344101
Eppler Justin will sell you a tune if you are building your own harness. - https://www.facebook.com/justin.eppler/

Want to build your own harness? Below are diagrams for doing so. This thread does not supply any wire loom dimensions for laying out the harness - that is owned by harness makers above. It is possible to simply splice all of the connections that you need and lay out your own harness routings, but this is unreliable and messy. This guide will not help with that, but it will help with the final wiring diagram.
Harness building thread - https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum9/HTML/000026.html
Harness building thread - https://www.fiero.nl/forum/...070315-2-074653.html
Fieroinfo wiring diagram repository - https://www.fieroinfo.com/wiring/

Go to https://www.alldata.com/diy-us/en/find-vehicle and buy a subscription to your donor car's information. You can find a PCM pinout diagram of PCM Connectors C1 (Blue) and C2 (Clear) that will be critical in aiding you with building the harness.
Here are some alternative examples of pinouts from several other cars: http://www.gearhead-efi.com...98-GM-V6-PCM-pinouts

Below is an example of the PCM pinout diagram of a 2001 Bonneville SSEi. DO NOT USE THIS DIAGRAM IF YOU DID NOT BUY AN ENGINE FROM A 2001 BONNEVILLE SSEi; THEY WILL VARY SLIGHTLY!






Many great wiring harness pin out charts already exist at GMTuners: http://www.gmtuners.com/files/index.htm
Consult Gmtuners for pinout list (this guide BELOW is specifically for a 1998-2002 GTP engine and transmission harness):
http://www.gmtuners.com/fil...o_L67_PCM_wiring.pdf




Harness wiring diagram for a 1998-2002 GTP harness that works 1985-1988 Fiero with a manual transmission:
NOTE: FOR A 1984 FIERO WIRING DIAGRAM, SEE HERE: https://www.fieroinfo.com/w...4_Wiring_Harness.jpg
NOTE: The pin connector guides above are much more thorough. The diagram below bare minimum.
INSTRUCTIONS IN ADDITION TO THIS WIRING DIAGRAM BELOW:
1. For automatic harnesses:
a. Cut and ground the purple/white wire on C203 Pin R
b. Add the speedometer conversion buffer circuit shown below inline with the GTP computer connector C1 (blue) Pin 55 and the fiero C203 connector pin G
2. Change MIL (Malfunction Indicator Lamp/Engine Light) fuse to 10A
3. Change Fuel Pump Fuse to 15A or 20A
4. Change the Ignition Fuse to 20A
5. Connect C1 (Blue) connector pin 59 to pin 2 on the OBDII connector (diagram below) if you need to tune/scan your computer.
6. Wire up the 1988 Fiero Oil Pressure Gauge (on pin E of C203). Part #s in build 1 wiring harness section.


Speedometer Buffer Conversion Circuit (the input signal to the Fiero speedometer is incompatible with the 4t65e-HD transmission Vehicle Speed Sensor (VSS) output signal):
http://www.gmtuners.com/fiero/fmods.htm
NOTE: YOU MAY PURCHASE ONE OF THESE HERE: https://reddevilriver.com/h...peedo-buffer-circuit


External Transmission Range Selector Switch for a 4t60/4t65/4t65e-hd transmission:
NOTE: You will need to purchase one of these and put it on your gear selector if you did not buy a GTP. You may also need the connector for it, available at Rockauto. See above build 1 Parts List.


OBDII Connector Pinout:
NOTE: The 3800sc Fiero only uses the "VPW" configuration on pins 2, 4, 5, and 16. Connect C1 (Blue) connector pin 59 to pin 2 on the OBDII connector


Optional: 3800 Electronic Cruise Control (can instead rig up the factory Fiero vacuum cruise to work by getting rid of the vacuum accumulator coffee can and plugging the vacuum line directly into the vacuum port on top of the supercharger, then see the Assembly Diagrams Section for mounting the cruise cable)
NOTE: See cruise diagram here if you did not have cruise from the factory: http://www.gmtuners.com/fil...ise_elect_cruise.pdf
NOTE: See alternative cruise diagram here: http://www.gmtuners.com/files/electcrz.zip


Stock Fiero C500 connector in engine bay:
A good pinout is located here: http://www.nathanbittinger....roaddiction/c203c500


Stock Fiero C203 Connector under center console


C203 and C500 connector pinouts, courtesy of http://www.gmtuners.com/files/index.htm


Optional: Fuel Pump Hot Wire, for supplying slightly more voltage to your fuel pump in high performance applications - http://www.gmtuners.com/fiero/hot_wire.htm
NOTE: If you bypass Pin B on the C203 Connector to hotwire in this way, you can re-use this wire on Pin B to permanently power the OBDII connector above.
NOTE: See build 2 for a much more in-depth hot wire.
NOTE: This diagram is much simpler than it looks. Just wire the relay pin 87 directly to the battery, the pump + directly to the relay pin 30, and pin 3 on C2 connector (Clear) to relay pin 86.


Video: How To Repin Or Replace Wires On The Main Engine Harness Connector:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=19

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Disassembly, Reassembly and Final Fiero Installation Videos
All videos available in this playlist here - https://www.youtube.com/pla...IM_4I2qJnkff2RlPWB_O

-----Below this line is required for both build 1 and build 2-----
Video: Fiero Engine Removal:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...nkff2RlPWB_O&index=6


Video: How to replace the Fuel Pump:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...nkff2RlPWB_O&index=7


Video: How To Change The Supercharger Pulley Using The ZZP Pulley Puller:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...nkff2RlPWB_O&index=8


Video: How to change Supercharger Oil:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...nkff2RlPWB_O&index=9


Video: Boost bypass valve setup:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=10


Video: How to Install oil sending unit, Thermostat & plugging water pump:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=11


Video: How to install FieroRog Engine Brackets, Belts & Accessories in a 3800 Fiero:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=12


Video: How to use the Fuel Line disconnect tool
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=13


Video: How to Install A Custom Fuel Rail & Swapping Valve Covers:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=13


Video: How to build your own 3800sc Fiero Swap Axles:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=14


Video: How to install Transmission (you do NOT need to separate it unless you are modding it):
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=16


Video: Common shift solenoid problem how-to video:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...nkff2RlPWB_O&index=8


Video: Good 4t65 disassembly video here:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=15


Video: 4t80e swap:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...nkff2RlPWB_O&index=8


Video: Mounting the 4t80e:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=22


Video: What a 4T80 takes part 1:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...index=23&pp=gAQBiAQB


Video: What a 4T80 takes part 2:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...index=24&pp=gAQBiAQB


Video: How To Mount Engine to Trans/Install supercharger Belt
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=17


Video: How To Install an Injection Technology Wiring Harness
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=18


Video: How to hook up fuel lines, AC lines & hoses:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=20


Video: Fiero Engine Bay for 3800 Swap Overview:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=21


Video: Transmission Line hookups and POSI diff (found in build 2 only)
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=22


Video: Testing out Posi
https://www.youtube.com/wat...IM_4I2qJnkff2RlPWB_O


Video: How to install engine in car and hook up exhaust:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=23


Video: Engine Bay Routings/Hookups 1:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=24


Video: Engine Bay Routings/Hookups 2:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=25


Video: Engine Bay Routings/Hookups 3:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=26


Video: Tuning a 3800 with HPTuners for beginners:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=34


Video: How to Perform the Crank Relearn Function in VCM Scanner | HP Tuners
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=35


Video: 3800 Fuel & Spark Timing Tuning in HPTuners:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=35


Video: Cooling System Mods:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=34


Video: Optional Bigger Radiator Install Video:
[URL=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXfFXuZbTvM&list=PL9MEbquodF3isIM_4I2qJnkff2RlPWB_O&index=27]https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=27



Video: Optional Bigger Radiator Fan Install Video:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=28


-----Below this line is only required for build 2-----
IMPORTANT: BEFORE TEARING DOWN THE ENGINE, PLEASE WATCH THESE FACTORY SERVICE VIDEOS TO SAVE YOU SOME HEADACHES!
Video: Buick 3800 Engine Noise and Repair Techniques:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=29


Video: Buick 3800 Engine Mechanical:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=30


Video: Why you don’t want to disassemble the bottom end unless you know what you are doing (rods/pistons/crankshaft/bearings):
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=31


-----Disassembly of the engine-----
Video: How to tear down and rebuild the Lower Intake Manifold:
NOTE: I THOROUGHLY CLEANED OUT THE INSIDE OF MY LOWER INTAKE MANIFOLD BY SOAKING IN BRAKE CLEANER AND THEN TAKING IT TO A CAR WASH AND MANUALLY SPRAYING DOWN THOROUGHLY, INSPECTING, AND DRYING.
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=32


Video: How to tear down the "long block" (accessories, supercharger, intake, water pump, etc.).:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=33


Video: Supercharger Repair Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=39


Video: Supercharger Repair Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=40


Video: Removing and Reinstalling harmonic balancer crankshaft pulley:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=35


Video: Installing optional 5% overdrive harmonic balancer, crankshaft front cover oil seal, oil spacer bracket, AC compressor bypass pulley, and lightweight pulley system:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=36


-----REMOVING AND PORTING CYLINDER HEADS-----
Video: How to disassemble cylinder heads with a valve spring compressor:
NOTE: You should drop your cylinder heads off at a machine shop, detailed later in this post. BE CAREFUL WITH THE CYLINDER HEAD DECK SURFACE. DO NOT SCRATCH THE BOTTOM OF THE HEADS. PLACE ON A LINT FREE CLOTH AND DO NOT PUT THEM ON THE GROUND OR A HARD SURFACE UNLESS YOU INTEND TO DECK THEM.
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=40


PREFACE: According to INTENSE Racing, stock cylinder heads will out-flow ANY M90 supercharged 3800 engine setup. There is virtually NO NEED to modify cylinder heads, UNLESS YOU RUN LIFT HIGHER THAN 0.525" intake/0.528" exhaust, DETEAILED BELOW.

NOTE: I would NOT attempt performing ANY of this at home. Take your cylinder heads to a machine shop. That being said, below is a collection of information about porting 3800 cylinder heads.

Here are the instructions I supplied a machine shop for porting my cylinder heads:
NOTE: Over 0.525" intake lift and 0.528" exhaust lift REQUIRES machining down valve guides. See this spreadsheet for required valve guide machining calculations - https://docs.google.com/spr...9-IzNmsOLhx3s6Z5IcjQ
NOTE: Assuming you have 1.65 rockers and not the stock 1.6 rockers
1. Machine 0.060" off top of intake valve guides to support XPZ Camshaft lift.
a. 1.65 rocker arm * 0.35375 XPZ camshaft intake lift = 0.5836875‬" total lift. Stock intake lift max is 0.525" (measure for yourself?) before intake valve runs into valve guide with stock retainers. 0.5836875"-0.525" = 0.0586875". Therefore, cut down top of valve guide by 0.060" to be safe.
2. Machine 0.030" off top of exhaust valve guides
a. 1.65 rocker arm * 0.335 XPZ camshaft exhaust lift = 0.55275" total lift. Stock exhaust lift max is 0.528" (measure for yourself?) before exhaust valve runs into valve guide with stock retainers. 0.55275"-0.528"= 0.02475". Therefore, cut down top of valve guide by 0.030" to be safe.
NOTE: LS Retainers add about 0.005" clearance, meaning max lift would be 0.530" intake / 0.533" exhaust, but to be safe this is not accounted for in my calculations.
3. Redrill and replace valve guides with Bronze oil lite guides (optional)
4. Valve job
a. widen valve seats for 1.83" intake valves (stock series 3 size; stock series 2 is 1.80"), 1.52" exhaust
b. Replace seats with hardened seats at custom 3 angle cut.
c. Back-cut valves with same 3 angle cut. Lap valves if necessary.
d. If not replacing seats with hardened seats, don't grind seat, but grind right up to it, without touching it, to maintain factory hardened seat.
5. Blend bowl smooth - remove casting mark and lips on radius
a. Street/strip port, Polish combustion chambers
b. Smooth short side radius
c. Don't drop port floor
6. Gasket Match Intake runners and Lower Intake Manifold
a. Don't gasket match exhaust. Keep the D-shape of exhaust ports (can widen a bit)
b. Polish runners
c. Blend in short side of intake
d. Be careful not to grind through walls.
7. Deck head surfaces and record thickness decked by. Need at least 50 Roughness Average (RA) on deck surface to properly seal Cometic Head Gaskets.

In addition to porting cylinder heads, on the engine block, measure each cylinder “out of hole” clearance, or the amount which a piston sticks out above the block deck when the crankshaft is at top dead center. Stock piston height should be between 0.012” to 0.025”. If the out of hole measurements for each piston are significantly different than one another, then consider decking the block. At this point, you will need to disassemble the bottom end. If re-using stock bottom end parts, keep every bolt/bearing/rod/piston/journal/cylinder matched with where it came from, including direction. Consider getting the engine inspected and blueprinted, the crankshaft ground, the rods conditioned, the rotating assembly balanced, having new oversized bearings installed afterwards, honing cylinders, and replacing piston rings with correct gap for your boost. Detailed in the next section.

Video: How to prepare deck surfaces and assemble cylinder heads
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=42


Video: Valve job video:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=49


Video: Head Porting 1:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=50


Video: Head Porting 2:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=51


Video: Head Porting 3:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=52


Video: Head porting example:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=53


Video: How to lap / grind / regrind valves and valve seats:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=54


-----INSPECTING THE BOTTOM END (crank/bearings/connecting rods/bearings/pistons/piston rings)-----
Video: How to remove front cover, balance pulley, timing chain, balance shaft, camshaft, etc.:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=37


Video: How to remove front cover, balance pulley, timing chain, balance shaft, camshaft alternative:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=38


This is how to properly tear down the bottom end which is not covered in this guide. Here are the instructions I would provide a machine shop with for working with the bottom-end:
If the rotating assembly is in good shape, re-use all factory items and don't recondition.
1. Measure if block needs decked. .003" out of flat and 50 microinch RA surface or more required for decking. If not leave it. If so, deck block/heads and continue.
2. Disassemble pistons/rods.
3. Keep rods, rod bolts, rod bearings, crank bearings, and journals, etc matched to each other.
4. Clean pistons and rings with oil based solvent.
5. Check rings. Leave stock rings and don't hone if rings are OK. If rings are seized:
a. Replace rings (oversized?)
b. Gap rings. Adjust gap for 12-14.5 psi roots style supercharger boost (350 deg. Max)
c. Hone cylinder bores.
d. Oil and install pistons and rings.
6. Measure rods/bearings. If good, leave stock. If rods are worn:
a. Recondition rods, bore and find matched bearings (oversized?)
b. Clean rod bearing seats with alcohol
c. Oil inside of bearings but not in seat, work in oil to crank
d. Assemble rods to torque spec with matched bolts
e. Measure play (plastigauge) to verify correct size bearing
f. Also do replace crank bearings (below).
7. Measure crank bearings for wear
a. If crank or rod bearings worn, replace with new bearings (oversize?)
b. Plastigauge new bearings once torqued and seated to verify correct size
c. Clean main seats with alcohol.
d. Oil inside of bearings, torque mains down and rotate crank with oil in inside of bearings.
8. Measure main seats. If round, leave. If out of round:
a. Re-bore mains. Select appropriate bearings
9. Measure crank journals. If out of round:
a. Machine journal to round
b. Replace bearings (oversized?)
10. Measure crankshaft thrust bearing play. Recondition if necessary
11. Check assembly for balance
a. If out of balance for 6,700RPM, then re-balance rotating assembly
i. Flexplate
ii. Torque Converter
iii. Crank
iv. Pistons
12. Replace front and rear main seals and covers, reinstall everything and torque

Video: Here is a decent video on inspecting the bottom end
NOTE: This video does not describe matching and conditioning rods parts. Before disassembling anything for yourself, if you're not an expert, JUST TAKE IT TO A MACHINE SHOP AND HAVE THEM DO EVERYTHING.
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=55


Video: Here is a in-depth video about measuring crankshaft and connecting rod journals.
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=56


-----RE-ASSEMBLY OF THE ENGINE-----
Video: ZZP How to install a camshaft and double roller timing chain:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=39


Video: FACTORY SERVICE GUIDE for installing heads, valve train, balance shaft, intake manifold, valve covers, etc.:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=41


Video: Sealing Head Studs:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=43


Video: ZZP Installing Heads:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=44


-----MEASURING PUSHROD LENGTH WITH A PUSHROD LENGTH CHECKER-----
NOTE: This applies to engines with non-adjustable rocker arms:
Buy the pushrod length checker here - https://ebay.us/UXqjf3
1 - have your heads and head gasket on and torqued to spec, and valves/springs, camshaft and lifters installed
2 - put the length checker on a valve lifter through the hole in the head.
3 - Rotate the crankshaft with a 24mm socket and wrench, while pushing the pushrod length checker firmly down firmly to ensure that the lifter is making contact with the camshaft lobe, until the lifter is at its lowest point (when it is contacting the base circle on the camshaft).
4 - Bolt on the rocker arm and its pedestal until it is snug. do not over torque.
5 - unscrew the length checker until it makes firm contact with the rocker arm and has no play at all in it. make sure it is seated in the rocker arm cup and not binding on something else!
6 - take the rocker arm off and take the pushrod length checker out. measure the pushrod length checker on a caliper from end to end, careful not to twist it and change its length.
7 - repeat steps 2-6 several times on both heads for both intake valves and exhaust valves. Record each value and take and average for both intake and exhaust. EXHAUST AND INTAKE CAN BE DIFFERENT, DEPENDING ON YOUR CAMSHAFT!!!
8 - add the half of the lifter "squish," or the amount that the lifter preloads to each of your measured lengths. I am not sure what half of your squish/preload length is, but it will probably be between .025" and .075". Call the manufacturer for info or look up the specs.
9 - find a pushrod that is closest in length to your intake and exhaust pushrod measurement calculation and order them. I would advise getting a pushrod of no different length within 0.010" from your measurements if you can find one. As far as pushrod diameter goes, that is up to you. I run two different ones: One is a 3/8" thickness and the other is a 11/32" thickness, because that is what sizes i could find the right lengths for. You want a good balance of strength and lightweight pushrods, depending on how aggressive your camshaft is. You can't go wrong with anything ZZP sells although expensive:
https://zzperformance.com/p.../zzp-custom-pushrods
keep in mind that stock pushrod length is 7.029" if that is closer to your measurements than a 7.000" or a 7.050" pushrod. Do NOT re-use pushrods if you are changing your rockers. If you plan on keeping your stock rockers/pushrods/lifters, make sure to keep them matched to each other and each cylinder, to keep each with its respective wear patterns, and mark which direction the pushrod went. If you change ANY part (cam/lifters/pushrods/rockers), buy all new parts. Stock pushrods are 11/32" thick for a 3800.

Video: How to assemble cylinder heads, valve train (lifters/rockers/pushrods), intake manifold, supercharger, and throttle body:
NOTE: DO NOT USE ARP THREAD SEALANT SHOWN IN VIDEO. INSTEAD USE HIGH TEMP NON-HARDENING RTV SILOCONE.
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=45


Video: Supercharger mods:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=57


Video: Intercooling, Plugging intake/supercharger/throttle body coolant ports:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...4dL8ruvZQL4pabfi1DyA


Video: Porting supercharger (Gen3 ONLY; similar concept can still apply to GenV but will not provide much benefit):
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=59


Video: Installing a Phenolic Spacer instead of Intercooler:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=34


Video: E85 Conversion:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=66


Video: How to assemble Custom Exhaust, Custom Fuel Rails, Accessories:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=47


Video: How to wrap your exhaust with titanium exhaust wrap:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=49

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3800sc Instructions https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/139530.html
3800sc Instructions MOBILE https://drive.google.com/fi...JzC-2ZzbvLYMYE3QbmVq
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Other Helpful Fiero Parts While You're At It

-CLICK HERE TO VIEW MOST OF THESE PARTS ON AMAZON
-A 3800 Repair Guide
-CLICK TO VIEW MOST OF BUILD 1 ON AMAZON
-PARTS THAT WEAR OUT ON A 3800SC
-CLICK TO VIEW MOST OF BUILD 2 ON AMAZON
-CLICK HERE TO VIEW MY FIERO MODS ON AMAZON
-A Fiero Repair Guide
-[CLICK HERE TO VIEW NON-FIERO RELATED 3800 MODS ON AMAZON

Safe Jack Points:


Replace all rear bushings:
POLY 1984-1987 - https://www.fierostore.com/...%20%20%20%20%20BLACK
POLY 1988 - https://www.fierostore.com/...%20%20%20%20%20BLACK
RUBBER Rodney's 1988 rear bushing kit - http://rodneydickman.com/pr....php?products_id=358
Video: How-to video:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=57


Upgraded brake booster - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
Rodney's brake booster kit - https://rodneydickman.com/p....php?products_id=350
Brake booster install video - https://www.youtube.com/wat...4dL8ruvZQL4pabfi1DyA

Rear Brake lines:
Autozone M10 to M10 Copper-Nickel line 60" (1x)
Autozone M10 to M10 Copper-Nickel line 12" (1x)
Autozone M12 to M12 Steel Line 36" (1x)
Autozone M12 to M12 Steel Line 60" (1x)
Autozone M12 to M14 steel line 12" (2x)
Autozone M12 to M12 coupler (2x)
Dot3 brake fluid
Stainless steel brake hoses - https://www.fierostore.com/...px?s=56098&d=379&p=1

Video: How to install and upgrade cradle bushings for 84-87 Fieros:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=58


Video: How to install a stock looking boost gauge for your 3800sc Fiero dashboard:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=59


1988 Fiero alignment specs TSB


1988 rear suspension torque specs
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/...130314-2-087857.html

Video: Excellent Fiero brake upgrade video
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=60


Video: Bad 3800 parts:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=61

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Amazon Recommendation Store for 3800s/Fieros/Tools https://amzn.to/3hNViaa
3800sc Instructions https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/139530.html
3800sc Instructions MOBILE https://drive.google.com/fi...JzC-2ZzbvLYMYE3QbmVq
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EXTREMELY useful links:

-CLICK HERE TO VIEW MOST OF THESE PARTS ON AMAZON
-A 3800 Repair Guide
-CLICK TO VIEW MOST OF BUILD 1 ON AMAZON
-PARTS THAT WEAR OUT ON A 3800SC
-CLICK TO VIEW MOST OF BUILD 2 ON AMAZON
-CLICK HERE TO VIEW MY FIERO MODS ON AMAZON
-A Fiero Repair Guide
-CLICK HERE TO VIEW NON-FIERO RELATED 3800 MODS ON AMAZON
-3800 E85 Conversion

Playlist for hundreds of 3800 related videos:
https://www.youtube.com/pla...y06RXVNmLuiX2rw4OJfz

Very old 3800 swap guide and information by Fieroman: https://web.archive.org/web...ranexus.com/fieroman

Good 3800 modification and suggestion forum:
https://www.fastfieros.com/3800faq.htm

Repository of 3800 swap threads:
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/079560.html

Another 3800sc swap step-by-step build thread:
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...100421-1-053213.html

Fiero Focus tech tips:
http://fierofocus.com/tech_tips.html

Fieroguru Performance LLC - https://fieroguruperformance.com/

FastFieros technical pages:
http://www.fastfieros.com/tech/

GMTuners.com:
http://www.gmtuners.com/

GMTuners Technical Articles:
http://www.gmtuners.com/tech/index.htm

GMTuners wiring and other information:
http://www.gmtuners.com/files/index.htm

GMTuners 3800 Swap guide (not as thorough as above, but used as inspiration):
http://www.gmtuners.com/swap/3800.htm

GMTuners Transmission Info
https://www.gmtuners.com/gmtransinfo.htm

GMTuners parts list for swaps (not as thorough as above, but used as inspiration):
http://www.gmtuners.com/fiero/parts.htm

Triple Edge Performance - they will rebuild your 4t65e-HD transmission for you:
https://tripleedgeperformance.com/

The Ogre’s Fiero Cave:
http://fierocave.shorturl.com/

Cow S. Patoot Fiero information:
http://www.fieroinfo.com/

Other M90 supercharger specs


NOTE: The pulley sizes here are for a mustang engine and do not apply to 3800's, but the rest of the info can be helpful. This is for a Series II/Gen3 supercharger. For Series III/Gen5, subtract approx. 40°F to temperatures here.


Gen III M90 Specs
Delta T

Flow

Power

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3800sc Instructions https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/139530.html
3800sc Instructions MOBILE https://drive.google.com/fi...JzC-2ZzbvLYMYE3QbmVq
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MY BUILD
CLICK HERE TO VIEW MOST OF THESE PARTS ON AMAZON
Here are the extra parts not included above that I also have on my build. NOT NECISSARY FOR THE ENGINE SWAPS!

Video: This shows in-depth modifications to the 3800 engine from this build thread:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...nkff2RlPWB_O&index=3


Not mentioned in video:
Removed engine bay insulation
ZZP Aluminum Vented Cooling Transmission Oil Pan http...tps://ebay.us/DoQ4Jh
Coilover conversion kit https://groundcontrolstore...._sid=a822b8a18&_ss=r
Battery Quick Disconnect https://amzn.to/3kOGXfF
Armrest - https://www.fiero.nl/cgi-bi...5991&style=printable
Poly tie rod boots - https://www.fierostore.com/...0%20%20RED&d=324&p=1
Modular pulley system
Alternate Aluminum 8-rib Pulley Set (If you want to mix and match for lightest setup, you only need the ribbed aluminum pulley from this set. Message him and he will make you a single aluminum ribbed idler, LET HIM KNOW YOU NEED IT MADE SPECIFIC FOR THIS BALANCER - HE NORMALL MAKES PULLEYS WITH TWO EXTRA RIBS ON END INSTEAD OF ONE ON EACH SIDE) - http://smoothflowpulleys.com/8_rib_L67_idlers.html

NEW Drag race modification vid - SEE DESCRIPTION FOR PARTS https://www.youtube.com/wat...4dL8ruvZQL4pabfi1DyA
Removed engine bay insulation
ZZP Aluminum Vented Cooling Transmission Oil Pan https://ebay.us/DoQ4Jh
Coilovers https://groundcontrolstore...._sid=a822b8a18&_ss=r
Battery Quick Disconnect https://amzn.to/3kOGXfF
Armrest https://www.fiero.nl/cgi-bi...orum=4&thread=055991
Poly tie rod boots https://www.fierostore.com/...0%20%20RED&d=324&p=1
Modular Pulley System http://smoothflowpulleys.co...ys.com/3800_MPS.html
Aluminum 8-rib Pulley Set http://smoothflowpulleys.co..._rib_L67_idlers.html

PARTS IN THIS VIDEO:
NOTE: I do run the build 2 list at https://www.fiero.nl/forum/...HTML/139530.html#p7, with the below in addition:
5% Overdrive Balancer Supercharger 8-rib https://amzn.to/3QzWBFp
AC Compressor Bypass Pulley https://amzn.to/3RUQtZA
Pulley vid - SEE DESCRIPTION FOR PARTS https://www.youtube.com/wat...4dL8ruvZQL4pabfi1DyA
Chin spoiler vid https://www.youtube.com/wat...4dL8ruvZQL4pabfi1DyA
Slim popup headlights https://www.youtube.com/wat...4dL8ruvZQL4pabfi1DyA
1988 Headlight Rebuild Kit https://www.fierostore.com/...%20%20PAIR&d=273&p=1
Radiator https://amzn.to/3bIcprb
Radiator install vid https://www.youtube.com/wat...4dL8ruvZQL4pabfi1DyA
Brake Booster vid https://www.youtube.com/wat...4dL8ruvZQL4pabfi1DyA
Stainless brake hoses https://www.fierostore.com/...px?s=56098&d=379&p=1
Wiper Arm https://amzn.to/3K2h19K
Wiper Arm https://amzn.to/3YbUbT3
Wiper Arm vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ga8LR3zO-Q
22-24" Drivers wiper on
20" Passengers wiper
Front Tires https://amzn.to/3o9kgRg
Tire Paint Vid https://www.youtube.com/wat...4dL8ruvZQL4pabfi1DyA
Tire paint https://amzn.to/3PEeSS3
88 stiffer shocks (could understeer) https://amzn.to/3RIEQ8x
84-87 stiffer shocks (could understeer) https://amzn.to/3Y0sX1z
KYB Excel-G Rear Struts https://amzn.to/3oahsTQ
KYB Strut Boot/Bump Stop https://amzn.to/3zizTMs
Strut install vid https://www.youtube.com/wat...4dL8ruvZQL4pabfi1DyA
Front Suspension install vid TBD!
1988 1" Lowering Ball Joints http://rodneydickman.com/pr....php?products_id=158
88 1" (closer to 7/8") longer sway bar end links for https://amzn.to/3RFAfUJ
Poly Front Sway Bar Bushings https://amzn.to/3odTC9O
Poly Rear Sway Bar Bushings https://amzn.to/3yLhgQ5
Vertical Door vid - SEE DESCRIPTION FOR PARTS https://www.youtube.com/wat...4dL8ruvZQL4pabfi1DyA
Steering wheel vid https://www.youtube.com/wat...4dL8ruvZQL4pabfi1DyA
Turbo Tachometer from sunbird vid https://www.youtube.com/wat...4dL8ruvZQL4pabfi1DyA
Speakers http://rodneydickman.com/pr....php?products_id=300
Brighter Lighbulbs http://rodneydickman.com/ad...hp?keywords=brighter
Side scoops (not exact in video) - https://www.fierosidescoops.com/
Rear Tires 235/60r15 https://amzn.to/3PfLkKL
Sail Panel https://ebay.us/BYGak0
Foxbody mustang hood scoop https://ebay.us/hCT4Js
Trunk Shock Kit http://rodneydickman.com/pr....php?products_id=113
Shifter Cable Repair Kit http://rodneydickman.com/pr....php?products_id=338

-----DRAG RACING-----
See these parts on Amazon - https://www.amazon.com/shop..._US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

Video: See Fiero Drag Prep Video
https://www.youtube.com/wat...4dL8ruvZQL4pabfi1DyA


2023 NHRA Rulebook - https://nationaldragster.s3...ulebook_22_11_08.pdf
Metal Valve Stems (check fitment) - https://amzn.to/3pMuHPd
Shorter Open Lug Nuts (5x per wheel) - https://amzn.to/3YmTUuJ
Aluminum Valve Covers (for supercharged, methanol burning cars) - https://ebay.us/zrsiqF
Polished valve cover cap to match valve covers - https://amzn.to/3mxlF6t
Type ABC Fire Extinguisher - https://amzn.to/3XTwr5D
Fire Extinguisher Mount - https://amzn.to/3L55kAi
Ignition Wire Labels (2x) - https://amzn.to/3JiHyQc
Fiero Sail Panel Window - https://ebay.us/BYGak0
Sail Panel Installation Video - https://www.youtube.com/wat...4dL8ruvZQL4pabfi1DyA
HPTuners w/2 credits - https://zzperformance.com/p...riant=39878353748030
Battery Mount - https://amzn.to/44r7Ojd
Helmet (Snell SA2020) - https://amzn.to/3ISFpsU
Fire Jacket (SFI 3.2A/1) - https://amzn.to/3SWTZ7w
Hood vents (discontinued) - http://angelonearth.net/cus...iberglass/hoods.html
E85 Conversion / O2 Sensor install video - https://www.youtube.com/wat...IM_4I2qJnkff2RlPWB_O
Intercooler Kit (1x):
ZZP Stage 2.5 (will need cutting into decklid to fit supercharger snout, pairs nicely with a 1/4" phenolic spacer):
Gen 5 supercharger - https://ebay.us/HWxShY
Gen 3 supercharger - https://ebay.us/KNkzse
OR
ZZP Short Stack:
Gen 5 supercharger - https://ebay.us/avvZgM
Gen 3 supercharger - https://ebay.us/dtriFM
Battery Quick Disconnect - https://amzn.to/3kOGXfF
Weather Station - https://amzn.to/44jdlIL
Drag racing logbook - https://amzn.to/43qyWO2
Front Tires (street) - 195/65R15 98H Continental - https://amzn.to/3o9kgRg
SS Rear Drag Tires (235/60R15)- Mickey Thompson ET Street S/S (fits stock GT rims) - https://amzn.to/3kUUMZV
SS Bigger Rear Drag Tires (255/60R15)- Mickey Thompson ET Street S/S (fits stock GT rims) - https://amzn.to/3pWKsmy
R Bigger Rear Drag Tires (255/60R15)- Mickey Thompson ET Street R (fits stock GT rims) - https://amzn.to/3PVnhUi
Coil overs - https://groundcontrolstore....7-pontiac-fiero-rear
1988 Fiero Single adjustable front shocks for drag racing - https://amzn.to/3IOyL70
1984-1987 stiffer front shocks (competition engineering does not make a compatible length of 84-87 style shocks; these stiffer shocks may be better than stock however, they are what is used in the video) - https://amzn.to/3Y0sX1z
Electrical tape - https://amzn.to/3AfDNps
Posi traction differential Phantom Grips - https://ebay.us/nvhu2S
Car tire scales - https://amzn.to/3rto3hk
Tire chalk - https://amzn.to/3NVzJkB
TEST YOUR REACTION TIME - https://www.shoprpmoutlet.com/reaction.html

-----PARTS FROM OTHER HOW-TO VIDEOS-----
CLICK HERE TO VIEW MOST OF THESE PARTS ON AMAZON
See corresponding YouTube video descriptions for parts below:
Vertical Doors - https://www.youtube.com/wat...4dL8ruvZQL4pabfi1DyA
3800 Swap - https://www.youtube.com/wat...IM_4I2qJnkff2RlPWB_O
Tools - https://www.youtube.com/wat...IM_4I2qJnkff2RlPWB_O
Sail panels - https://www.youtube.com/wat...4dL8ruvZQL4pabfi1DyA
Mirror Motors - https://www.youtube.com/wat...4dL8ruvZQL4pabfi1DyA
Shocks - https://www.youtube.com/wat...4dL8ruvZQL4pabfi1DyA
Overdrive Balancer Pulley / AC Bypass Pulley - https://www.youtube.com/wat...4dL8ruvZQL4pabfi1DyA
88 Popup Headlights, Door Switch Boots, Badge - https://www.youtube.com/wat...4dL8ruvZQL4pabfi1DyA
Car Show Detailing - https://www.youtube.com/wat...4dL8ruvZQL4pabfi1DyA
Bluetooth/AUX Radios - https://www.youtube.com/wat...4dL8ruvZQL4pabfi1DyA
Radiator - https://www.youtube.com/wat...4dL8ruvZQL4pabfi1DyA
Speakers - https://www.youtube.com/wat...4dL8ruvZQL4pabfi1DyA
Tires & Tire Paint - https://www.youtube.com/wat...4dL8ruvZQL4pabfi1DyA
Struts - https://www.youtube.com/wat...4dL8ruvZQL4pabfi1DyA
Exhaust Tip Shield, Console Tray, Switch Plate, Ashtray Door & Seat Mechanism Cover - https://www.youtube.com/wat...4dL8ruvZQL4pabfi1DyA
88 Rear Suspension Bushings - https://www.youtube.com/wat...4dL8ruvZQL4pabfi1DyA
2022 Projects - https://www.youtube.com/wat...4dL8ruvZQL4pabfi1DyA
3800 Sealing Head Studs - https://www.youtube.com/wat...4dL8ruvZQL4pabfi1DyA
Window switches - https://www.youtube.com/wat...4dL8ruvZQL4pabfi1DyA
GT Tail Lenses - https://www.youtube.com/wat...4dL8ruvZQL4pabfi1DyA
Turbo Sunbird Tachometer for boosted cars - https://www.youtube.com/wat...4dL8ruvZQL4pabfi1DyA
Brake Booster Upgrade - https://www.youtube.com/wat...4dL8ruvZQL4pabfi1DyA
Dew Wipes/Window Felt Guides - https://www.youtube.com/wat...4dL8ruvZQL4pabfi1DyA
Slim Popup Headlights - https://www.youtube.com/wat...4dL8ruvZQL4pabfi1DyA
GT Chin Spoiler - https://www.youtube.com/wat...4dL8ruvZQL4pabfi1DyA
All Mods as of 2022 (see above) - https://www.youtube.com/wat...4dL8ruvZQL4pabfi1DyA
Drag Race Prep (see above) - https://www.youtube.com/wat...4dL8ruvZQL4pabfi1DyA
Intercooling - https://www.youtube.com/wat...kff2RlPWB_O&index=75
Cooling System Mods - https://www.youtube.com/wat...QL4pabfi1DyA&index=2
E85 Conversion / O2 Sensor install video - https://www.youtube.com/wat...IM_4I2qJnkff2RlPWB_O
Tuning Basic - https://www.youtube.com/wat...&index=4&pp=gAQBiAQB
Tuning Advanced - https://www.youtube.com/wat...&index=3&pp=gAQBiAQB
Brakes - https://www.youtube.com/wat...4dL8ruvZQL4pabfi1DyA
Paint Project (TBD) - https://amzn.to/4bfSlGF

-----
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Amazon Recommendation Store for 3800s/Fieros/Tools https://amzn.to/3hNViaa
3800sc Instructions https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/139530.html
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MY TOOLBOX

CLICK HERE TO VIEW MY NEW AMAZON STORE

Video: My toolbox
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PART 1: CAR TOOLS
PART 2: SHOP TOOLS
PART 2.1: CONSUMMABLE CAR HARDWARE
PART 2.2: CAR WASHING
PART 2.3: ELECTRICAL TOOLS
PART 3: HOUSE PROJECT & OUTDOOR TOOLS

EVERY TOOL IN THIS VIDEO, IN ORDER:

* = essential
** = My favorite & essential

PART 1: CAR TOOLS
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**DeWalt 3/8" impact https://amzn.to/3uVaOVh
**DeWalt 1/2" impact https://amzn.to/3uZbMQJ
*3/8" drive screwdrivers https://amzn.to/3hArxcS
*3/8" drive allen hex bits https://amzn.to/3Abw77W
*3/8" drive Torx bits https://amzn.to/3EtXnkv
**Head lamp https://amzn.to/3Eu6mlT
**OBDLink MX+ OBD2 Bluetooth Scanner https://amzn.to/3nZm7It
*DeWalt Drill https://amzn.to/3E2qSso
Gator Grip universal socket https://amzn.to/3hSmTa4
*Wire Wheels https://amzn.to/3WW8Qk2
*Step Drill bits https://amzn.to/3cqIOCP
**Drill bits https://amzn.to/3A7yjNJ
*Drill to Screwdriver Adapter https://amzn.to/3g2DdER
*Screwdriver tips https://amzn.to/3Ew36GF
Drill bit gauge https://amzn.to/3WXU9wQ
*Hole Saws https://amzn.to/3TAyvM6
*Tool chest top (alt) https://amzn.to/3EtwCg9
*Tool chest bottom https://amzn.to/3g9vVPw
**Toolbox Labels https://amzn.to/3E4Yjub
**Vampliers w/hardened teeth https://amzn.to/3QndRy0
**Side Cutters https://amzn.to/3SKoihh
**Needle nose pliers & cutters https://amzn.to/3TwUUtJ
Long pliers https://amzn.to/3O5fyA1
Thin profile ratchet (alt) https://amzn.to/3US4atB
**Swivel/Flex Ratchets https://amzn.to/3X1jK7Y
**Socket extension, swivel, adapters https://amzn.to/3UO2lhg
Wobbler extensions https://amzn.to/3YOxOmb
*Wrenches https://amzn.to/3UU6CQl
*Wrench Organizers https://amzn.to/3EqIY8K
**Ratchet Wrenches https://amzn.to/3hFwjpB
*Swivel/Flex Head wrenches https://amzn.to/3ttev3s
Ratchet open end wrenches (tooth) SAE https://amzn.to/3zB8LY5
Ratchet open end wrenches (tooth) Metric https://amzn.to/3ErgZ8O
Line/Flare Nut Wrenches https://amzn.to/3JIMrjZ
*Sockets (alt) https://amzn.to/3URvQ1F
*Socket Organizers https://amzn.to/3Af8f3m
3/8" drive impact sockets https://amzn.to/3hyJsAB
1/2" drive impact sockets https://amzn.to/3X2fp4L
*Screwdrivers https://amzn.to/3A8CEjC
*Mini-screwdrivers https://amzn.to/3WZOvKD
Hooks/Pokers https://amzn.to/3WYNX7T
Nut drivers SAE https://amzn.to/3GiC7Qd
Nut drivers Metric https://amzn.to/3UX1Npi
**Endoscope bluetooth camera https://amzn.to/3Ag2D8P
Magnetic/hook work light https://amzn.to/3O4x087
**Flex head Magnet retrieval tool https://amzn.to/3EvUMqs
**Magnet retrievers https://amzn.to/3g30uGI
**Snake/claw retriever https://amzn.to/3E6ejMp
**Thermometer laser https://amzn.to/3ErKuYi
Flare tool for brake/transmission lines https://amzn.to/3AdjR7r
Ethanol Tester https://amzn.to/3UUjeag
Compression tester https://amzn.to/3UAQP9d
Greaser https://amzn.to/3E3K3BW
Adjustable ball joint/tie rod remover https://amzn.to/3g1aBvA
Riveter https://amzn.to/3AbUX7J
Torque Angle Meter https://amzn.to/3Aas3oc
*3/8" drive torque wrench https://amzn.to/3TzPdLQ
*1/2" drive torque wrench https://amzn.to/3Dh7wAQ
Thread Chaser for 7/16 head bolts https://amzn.to/3UVYXkH
Bolt extractors https://amzn.to/3UUaL6R
Better Bolt extractors https://amzn.to/3AepTnD
*Antifreeze freezing point tester https://amzn.to/3DZwBz0
Pump https://amzn.to/3hGltzB
**Oil Filter Wrench https://amzn.to/3QCbRlf
**Small Oil Filter Wrench https://amzn.to/3dbaufK
*Funnels/Oil Pan https://amzn.to/3UB4Cg3
Radiator funnel https://amzn.to/3bDVara
*Hose clamps https://amzn.to/3UNTkok
Spark plug crimp tool https://amzn.to/48OLRxs
Balancer puller/installer (NON-3800) https://amzn.to/3DiNMNp
Balancer puller (3800) https://amzn.to/3d6W9kh
Balancer installer (3800) https://amzn.to/3BAkl7W
*Spark plug gapper https://amzn.to/3EwdNch
Automotive fuses https://amzn.to/3Ad8uvG
**HPTuners w/credits https://amzn.to/3Tsw4LK
**HPTuners scanner only https://amzn.to/3WY2xfI
**Flashlight, magnetic https://amzn.to/3g8T1G1
**Trim piece remover https://amzn.to/3fZGuF4
Snap ring tool https://amzn.to/3UQL8nx
Pipe/Line cutter (small) https://amzn.to/3bAyCYl
Pipe/Line cutter https://amzn.to/3A3XUHN
Boot Clamp Installer https://amzn.to/3z4SkEo
**Vise Grips https://amzn.to/3WX3GV0
**Vise Grip C clamp https://amzn.to/3hGtIvx
*Heat gun https://amzn.to/3E1VFWd
*Tape measures https://amzn.to/3UR72qH
**Saws-all reciprocating saw https://amzn.to/3GrIAIF
**Angle Grinder https://amzn.to/3EvXAns
Nylon Bottle Brushes https://amzn.to/3EwmiEd
Wire brushes https://amzn.to/3Ev4WHE
Steel Wool https://amzn.to/3EwTB9Y
Scotch-Brite abrasive pad https://amzn.to/3UXbGDr
Markers https://amzn.to/3g9fp21
*Metallic Markers https://amzn.to/3TzxFPX
Paint markers https://amzn.to/3UR7PIb
Wax Pencils https://amzn.to/3TARt5g
Sparker https://amzn.to/3tsOGkc
Lighters https://amzn.to/3UxHhvD
**Deburr Tool https://amzn.to/3TAiF4n
Velcro https://amzn.to/3AeewMF
**Punches & cold chisels https://amzn.to/3E2qSbL
Wood chisels https://amzn.to/3OaB9Y8
*Files https://amzn.to/3fZ8SHp
Small Files https://amzn.to/3TzzrAk
**Allen Hex wrenches https://amzn.to/3tpWljl
**Magnet Bowls https://amzn.to/3AckMUY
Tap & die https://amzn.to/3O1Vvm4
*Metal Hacksaw https://amzn.to/3E3prKg
Wedge https://amzn.to/3O7lCbi
*Wood hammer https://amzn.to/3X07yo1
**Deadblow Hammers https://amzn.to/3TsFHKo
**Pry bars https://amzn.to/3p0QdM1
Crow bar https://amzn.to/3O0Lg1y
*1/2" drive breaker bar https://amzn.to/3G8ncb8
**C clamps (use on brake calipers) https://amzn.to/3E8JM0N
**6" caliper https://amzn.to/3vMaBEl
**12" caliper https://amzn.to/3WRD9s2
Oiling Can https://amzn.to/3Ezwpbh
*Slide hammer https://amzn.to/3TDbkko
*Spray bottles https://amzn.to/3hHuuIv
*Hot glue https://amzn.to/3X1ALPo
Blade Sharpener https://amzn.to/3UzvmxD
**Utility Knife https://amzn.to/3E8tOn6
*Razor Blades https://amzn.to/3TtiV5b
Plastic Razor Blades https://amzn.to/3OewnIZ
**Tin Snips https://amzn.to/3hDRQ1M
*Crescent Wrenches https://amzn.to/3tKMF37
*Channel locks https://amzn.to/3TOsDiN
Pipe Wrenches https://amzn.to/3UEPeiP
Bolt Cutters https://amzn.to/3EwDYiX
Torx Screwdrivers https://amzn.to/3hHUcNn
Safety/Tamper Torx bits https://amzn.to/3UWoWsi
O-rings https://amzn.to/3AcNGnV
Fuel line remover https://amzn.to/3cipRSP
Valve grinder https://amzn.to/3trJ6hX
**Oil Pan/Funnels https://amzn.to/3BK7vVm
Oil dry/absorbent https://amzn.to/3bIixQd
**Torch https://amzn.to/3G9FCIB
**Torch Fuel https://amzn.to/3Ge0lLs
**Dremel https://amzn.to/3UBi3wv
**Jack https://amzn.to/3JB48lk
*Jack Stands https://amzn.to/3PedjK0
**Creeper https://amzn.to/3Vb44xB
**Stool https://amzn.to/3UWhb5g
Engine Stand https://amzn.to/3hFOb3F
Wheel dollies https://amzn.to/3ErwIES
Cherry picker/hoist https://amzn.to/3hxYzdv
*Shop vac https://amzn.to/3GdgEb7
Shop light stand https://amzn.to/3X02ujB
**Shop light https://amzn.to/3USowD1
**Ultra bright bulbs https://amzn.to/3E3xTJi
Light bulb plug adapter https://amzn.to/3AmU8ZF
Light Socket Splitter/Twin Adapter https://amzn.to/3E9V84E
**Bench light https://amzn.to/3O6MMiF
*Battery Charger https://amzn.to/3TEdj89
*Jumpers https://amzn.to/3Tymk2y
*Car Toolbox https://amzn.to/3UE3Yyn
*5gal Gas Tank https://amzn.to/3tB2lpb
Propane Heater https://amzn.to/3TA8f4D
Bug lantern https://amzn.to/3E1BGXH
Radio https://amzn.to/3UA50eM
*Air Compressor https://amzn.to/3hJLuy4
Compressor Dryer https://amzn.to/3Evd62X
Compressor Dryer Hose 1 https://amzn.to/3tsjoK8
Compressor Dryer Hose 2 https://amzn.to/3EtCUMD
*Hose Reel https://amzn.to/3Euj43Q
**Tire Filler https://amzn.to/3US6tgk
*Tire Gauge https://amzn.to/3UXUbmu
**Air sprayer https://amzn.to/3TEfxV3
*1/2" right angle ratchet https://amzn.to/3Eymgf5
**3/8" right angle ratchet https://amzn.to/3RCchKO
Air impact hammer/chisels https://amzn.to/3hOaBiY
**Bench vise https://amzn.to/3E8Dga9
Plastic draining bin w/wheels https://amzn.to/3TA2x2Q
Car fender mat https://amzn.to/3US8vwY
Drill press
Lathe
CNC Mill
Majax mobile car lift
Welder multipurpose 120/240 https://amzn.to/3g8MoUg
Feeler Gauge https://amzn.to/45e8d8P

PART 2: SHOP TOOLS
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**Extension cord reel https://amzn.to/3tnP3fX
*Extension Cord https://amzn.to/3g8TisM
Chain https://amzn.to/3X2x1NL
**Blower https://amzn.to/3Ty7k4F
*Zip Ties https://amzn.to/3UXH2tW
Bungee cord https://amzn.to/3ExxFvC
Come along winch https://amzn.to/3tuBrzn
*Tape dispenser https://amzn.to/3O3jTE9
*Sandpaper low grit https://amzn.to/3g0GowV
*Sandpaper high grit https://amzn.to/3UDQz9t
*Duct Tape https://amzn.to/3AjjMhV
**Collapsible folding table https://amzn.to/3X47jsk
**Parts organizer https://amzn.to/3hJWThn
**Storage shelves https://amzn.to/3V0PN6x
**Storage Totes w/wheels & handles https://amzn.to/3gcCfWu
Sawhorses folding https://amzn.to/3AbHcpq
*Broom https://amzn.to/3GgUNje
*Trash bin https://amzn.to/3EwvYyh
**Neodymium Magnets https://amzn.to/3BdlFfX
Magnifying Glass https://amzn.to/3Ag43QD

PART 2.1: CONSUMMABLE CAR HARDWARE
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Thanks Austin: lots of good information here. Everybody's swap is different, so the more info we get the more options we have to choose from and the better decisions we make. The electrical diagrams you posted are especially helpful, as are your videos on youtube.
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How did it turn out?
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Amazing post and lots of valuable information here. Thanks for documenting your swap and all the information so well!

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It’s not like I am an expert but the crank becomes positive so I believe the flow will be opposite of your explanation.
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It’s not like I am an expert but the crank becomes positive so I believe the flow will be opposite of your explanation.


Air through the PCV valve can only travel the direction shown. Intake vacuum sucks air directly into the blower through the PCV from the crank case.

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Today's video is everything you need to know about a 3800sc.

Part 4 of the swap coming soon!



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Fantastic thread young man! I'll be watching as you seem to be doing a fine job!

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You seem to be very analytical in your approach - researching and then making informed decisions. Curious what your conclusion was regarding the Gen 3 M90 ported vs Gen 5.

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Hey Dime.

I honestly picked up my Gen V + the two series III heads + the Lower Intake Manifold for $150 total... maybe got lucky.

The hype online is that a ported Gen III blower is equal airflow to a Gen V blower.

I think that the 13% less HP parasitic and 15% less heat would remain with the Gen V blower however.

Here are the exact numbers from Eaton found here: http://www.grandprixforums....en-five-gen-5-a.html
The 90-cubic inch Gen V supercharger is very compact. Its housing includes the throttle-body adaptor, crankcase ventilation plumbing,
coolant passages, the evaporative emissions purge valve and the rotor
drive mechanism. The drive mechanism is sealed and permanently
lubricated, obviating the need for oil connections and eliminating a
potential source of leaks. Moreover, the Gen V features all-cast
components and a larger, low-restriction outlet port. The tuned inlet
port is also less restrictive, compared to previous-generation
superchargers, allowing a larger (75 millimeter) throttle body. As a
result, more air is pumped by the supercharger through the Series III’s
induction system. The Gen V’s rotor is finished with Abraidbable Powder
Coating (APC) rather than epoxy. APC is a patented material containing
graphite that is electrostatically applied to the rotor and baked on. As
a result, the rotor requires less clearance within the supercharger
housing, resulting in less leakage around its edges, greater airflow at
a given operating speed and lower operating temperature. The Gen V’s
rotor bearings have been enlarged to increase durability and reduce
operating noise and vibration.

As a result, the Gen V operates at considerably higher efficiency than
its predecessors. At wide open throttle, the Gen V turns at 700 fewer
rpm (a 9 percent reduction), draws 13 percent less power from the
crankshaft, decreases operating temperature 15 percent and increases
volumetric efficiency 9 percent. For the customer, that means a 9
percent increase in horsepower (see product specifications), and best-
in-class acceleration times for the Grand Prix.




Ha. Makes it an easy decision when a deal like that falls into your lap....
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Just wanted to add my "keep on moving forward"!
You are doing FINE work, so keep it(the work), the posts, and vids on youtube coming. I'm sure I'm not the only one taking it all in.

How are you doing the computer? We are looking at hptuners and efilive for a programmer for our sc gtp swap into an 85 Fiero.
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How are you doing the computer? We are looking at hptuners and efilive for a programmer for our sc gtp swap into an 85 Fiero.


I would recommend that the OP use HP Tuners to tweak the program as there is a long history with that software. It takes a while to learn how to use editing software but if you add any mods, having it is essential.

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Originally posted by TexasT:

Just wanted to add my "keep on moving forward"!
You are doing FINE work, so keep it(the work), the posts, and vids on youtube coming. I'm sure I'm not the only one taking it all in.

How are you doing the computer? We are looking at hptuners and efilive for a programmer for our sc gtp swap into an 85 Fiero.


Thanks! The above post is correct, I have a friend with HPTuners. James L Brown (who manufactures 3800sc swap harnesses) also programs the PCM for you.
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I have been subscribed for a while, I love the videos, they are very informative. When I saw the part about the A/C compressor, I was laughing because I did the same exact thing torquing the nuts to 74 ft-lbs because of how it was described in the list of torque specs. I pulled the threads right out of the compressor bracket, I ended up tapping to the next size with the same thread pitch and using a Time-Sert. Glad to have you and LostNotForgotten giving tips with the 3800 Supercharged install, it definitely helps many of us a lot. I hope you get over 1,000 subscribers soon, you definitely deserve it. Keep up the good work!

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AustinH,

Thank you for the updated video. I am in the process of getting all my parts required to perform my 3800sc swap and I have been watching your videos and “LostbutNotForgotten’s” videos. You guys are my inspiration and my guides in doing this swap. I can’t thank you enough for sharing the information.

I have a 3800sc Series II L67, but I’ve aquired a Gen V M90 and L32 lower intake manifold.

Do you know is there any VATS or PASSKEY on the Gen II that needs to be disabled in the ECU? I’d like to test run my engine before I mount it in the Fiero.

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Do you know is there any VATS or PASSKEY on the Gen II that needs to be disabled in the ECU? I’d like to test run my engine before I mount it in the Fiero.


You are welcome! Glad to hear.
Yes, there is VATS you must disable. You can do that with a programming tool like HPTuners. I have a friend handle all that stuff for me. If your harness came from Danny (Canada) or James Brown, then they would have disabled it already. You can send out your PCM to one of them or take it to a shop to have done otherwise. What are you doing for a harness?

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I wasn’t sure if I should try to use the existing harness and splice into the Fiero wiring or try to get a harness made. The harness is really the only thing I am missing to perform my swap. My engine is from a 1998 Grand Prix GTP so hopefully its not too challenging. What are your recommendations? I pretty handy, but I’d be willing to buy one too save me some headaches...
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