Yes. I agree. The previous message ("THIS") is a "PATHETIC JOKE." Make a note of it for the records. I agree with a sentence of text that emanated from that particular Pennock's forum member account.
What's being given short shrift or scan attention in all the drama and bru-ha-ha (and the brew-ha-ha) attending the Jan. 6 committee's series of televised hearings?
The proposed changes to the Electoral Count Act (of 1887) could be said (loosely) as a way of "Trump-proofing" the next presidential election in 2024 and all the ones that will follow.
These changes are paired with legislation that is intended to help voters and election officials. It's not a long "read."
This is not a direct product of the J6 committee, but the committee's work is helping to define these legislative reforms, and moving (so I hope) the political ambience in Congress in ways that will eventually culminate in the approval and enactment of this package of legislation, or another such package that would be along very similar lines.
This would be less good than outright doing away with the Electoral College, but better than not doing anything about the Electoral College system.
I think there's now a fair chance that Trump himself will be the subject of one or more criminal indictments, but not before 2023 is underway. Criminal indictments related to Trump's role in the events that led up to January 6, and the violence on January 6, per se. I think he could also be criminally indicted in connection with the Presidential Records Act of 1978. That might come out first. Some "low hanging prosecutorial fruit."
But don't take your eyes off the efforts in Congress to reform the Electoral Count Act of 1887. That could be the January 6 committee's most enduring achievement.
I'm not "down" with the Electoral Count Act of 1887. Nay... I say "DOWN with the Electoral Count Act of 1887..!" It's another "January 6" waiting to happen.
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OH, So NOW you Leftists are suddenly all about "electoral reform".....
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After you get annihilated in the November midterms your newfound "concern" about electoral process integrity will vanish again like a fart in a wind storm.
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In the 2016 presidential election, Trump won 304 electoral votes to Hillary Clinton's 227.
During the joint session on January 6, 2017, seven House Democrats tried to object to electoral votes from multiple states.
The following House Democrats made objections:
Jim McGovern (D-Mass.) objected to Alabama's votes.
Jamie Raskin (D-Md.) objected to Florida's votes. (Where have we seen this clown lately?...Oh yes! He's part of the J6 kangaroo court)
Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.) objected to Georgia's votes.
Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.) objected to North Carolina's votes.
Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) objected to the votes from North Carolina in addition to votes from South Carolina and Wisconsin. She also stood up and objected citing "massive voter suppression" after Mississippi's votes were announced.
Barbara Lee (D-Calif.) brought up allegations of Russian interference in the election and malfunctioning voting machines when she objected following the announcement of Michigan's votes.
Maxine Waters (D-Calif) rose and said, "I do not wish to debate. I wish to ask 'Is there one United States senator who will join me in this letter of objection?'" after the announcement of Wyoming's votes.
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Of course there is also THIS memorable bit of Leftist electoral malfeasance:
..and then who could forget that Leftists tried the same damn electoral bullshittery against Bush in 2005
"WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Alleging widespread "irregularities" on Election Day, a group of Democrats in Congress objected Thursday to the counting of Ohio's 20 electoral votes, delaying the official certification of the 2004 presidential election results."
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And four years earlier in 2000, Members of the Democrat Congressional Black Caucus attempted to block Florida's electoral votes from being counted.
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Leftists gotta Leftist
...when they win they claim that the electoral process is "holy and sacrosanct"
....but when they lose...not so much
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original guy PLUS 7 OTHERS ALL Gop ONLY REAL VOTE FRAUD CONVICTIONS OF THE RUMP ERA ALL Gop
[ONLY ELECTION PROVEN TO BE EFFECTED] NOTE NO proof of any real election effecting fraud by the demo's anywhere in 2016 to 2020 elections vs court convictions for the Gop
when will your side stop lying about the elections
are there any rational Gop-er left are they all 100% nut-con's trumpets ?
None of this proves Trump led an insurrection. Still waiting for you to prove it.
That could be all the more reason for Republicans and Democrats to find common ground and enact legislative reforms to the Electoral Count Act of 1887. If they like the idea of preserving the democratically elected republican form of government that has always been the popular and public image of the United States; at least, starting a few decades after its establishment by the ratification of the Constitution in 1789, when the "democratically elected" idea began to take hold. The populist legacy of Andrew Jackson.
1 not my job congress critters and prosecuting att do that
2 you and you thump fan buddy's will NOT accept or understand the proof
so go back to worship of your fake orange godlet but do not be surprised when he goes to prison
It is your responsibility to prove what you claim. that was a failed putsch by our extreme rightwing
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those who support that rebellion are traitors NOT tourists while they can be trespassers they also are in rebellion while I do not like state killing an exception for treason is possible I am sure they can do the time for trespass before they are HUNG FOR TREASON
btw what level of support makes the supporter a CO-DEFENDANT ? SENDING MONEY sending people recruiting posts like randye's lying about who they were or what they wanted to do [they wanted to kill the VP] THAT IS TREASON
SO IS RANDYE COMMITTING TREASON HERE ?
Such a convenient way of saying that you can't prove anything. Prove that Randye is a traitor. Prove Trump led an insurrection. Prove trespassers wanted to kill VP. Who are the supporters? It would be easier finding Bigfoot. You just spew anger and ignorant accusations like a homeless man yelling at the voices in his head.
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I support the tourists. The trespassers committed a minor offense. The vandals should be charged and pay for what they damaged. The November 2020 insurrectionists are still hiding, but when we find them, they should be locked up for the rest of their lives. If you want to admit to supporting the criminal regime, well...
...NOW IS THE TIME.
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randye outs himself when he give aid and comfort to the rebels by calling them tourists
Randye hasn't done any such thing. What aid has he sent them? Maybe a gofundme like kam setup for blm rioters? Prove it.
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and saying they were JUST TRESPASSING NOT TRYING TO KILL PENCE
Well ray, just look at the charges, trespassing is the primary charge. AND common sense say they aren't all charged with the same charges. EVEN THE GOVERNMENT says there were just trespassers there.
THIS WILL BE GOOD,..ray,.. who was charged with attempted murder?
every revolting commie take over was ONLY AFTER A VERY BAD EVIL NASTY CONSERVATIVE DICTATOR TYPE RULER WAS REMOVED BY FORCE
NO LIBERAL GOVERNMENT EVER ANYWHERE ANYPLACE EVER BECAME COMMIE THE PROVEN WAY TO PREVENT A COMMIE REVOLT IS NEVER ALLOW A RIGHTWING DICTATOR TO TAKE POWER
BET THE JOHN BIRCH NUTS NEVER TOLD YOU THAT FACT
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"White liberals are more prone to mental health disorders than individuals who identify as conservative or moderates, according to a Pew Research Center survey.
Sixty-two percent of Whites who classify themselves as “very liberal” or “liberal” have been told by a doctor they have a mental health condition, as compared to 26% of conservatives and 20% of moderates, the study found. "
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Leftists gotta Leftist
....and the majority of them are medically certified as insane
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Some people who ostentatiously brand themselves online as "conservative" are too stupid in the online aspect of their lives to realize that they're stupid in the online aspect of their lives... too stupid to realize that they're stupid.
This forum is rich with example.
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]Originally posted by Hudini: And some people like to troll.
When there's a Politics & Religion forum like this, almost any remark is likely to be perceived as "trolling" by some other individual forum member or members.
How do you define "trolling"..? Is it like the bromide about pornography? Is it just a matter of You Know It When You See It..? Perhaps you'll come up with your own theory. Behind the wheel of a Lincoln is a mighty fine place to start.
Trump will be a defendant for the rest of his life in civil litigation, if not criminal litigation.
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The Washington Times was founded on May 17, 1982, by Unification movement leader Sun Myung Moon and owned until 2010 by News World Communications, an international media conglomerate founded by Moon. It is currently owned by Operations Holdings, which is a part of the Unification movement.
is randye a loonie moonie ?
they do not trust or believe american news but like loonie moonies ?
------------------ Question wonder and be wierd are you kind?
Some people who ostentatiously brand themselves online as "conservative" are too stupid in the online aspect of their lives to realize that they're stupid in the online aspect of their lives... too stupid to realize that they're stupid.
This forum is rich with example.
You misspelled liberal. Perhaps you were looking in a mirror when you posted.
Originally posted by olejoedad: You misspelled liberal. Perhaps you were looking in a mirror when you posted.
Why do you even show up here?
It's very conspicuous, what there is on this forum, that you have never (or hardly ever) said that you dislike and would rather not see. This marks you as someone that is not comfortable with a political forum (as this purports to be) that is actually open for divergent and contrasting ideas and interpretations of "what's happening in this world."
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Some people who ostentatiously brand themselves online as "conservative" are too stupid in the online aspect of their lives to realize that they're stupid in the online aspect of their lives... too stupid to realize that they're stupid.
Originally posted by randye: Imagine a mentally incapacitated Leftist such as Biden . . .
If Biden is a "Leftist", what would be a meaningful shorthand or label for Bernie Sanders? Elizabeth Warren? Pramila Jayapal? Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez? What about Tim Ryan? Michael Bennet? Mark Warner? Joe Manchin?
These are hammers:
This is a hammer:
They're all hammers, but if "hammer" is the only word that's available to describe them, that's a "Swing and a Miss". It just won't do, in almost any but the most infrequently encountered contexts.
So it is with that particular forum member and "Leftist". It's the word he utters more frequently than any other. It's an astonishing spectacle... a propaganda-like performative art of the lowest kind. I'm glad that I don't have to deal with anyone llike that offline. The most distinguishing aspect of the long-running commentary from that particular forum member is the devaluation of the English language. The abandonment of meaning. And what does it bring to mind, from the pages of history?
My first thought was of the most notorious totalitarian regimes of the 20th century. The Soviet Communists and the Nazis. The propaganda-driven debasement of the Russian and German languages in those times. Much has been written about it.
Then I was reminded of "Newspeak", the official language of Oceania in Orwell's "1984". To wit:
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Newspeak is an ambiguous and confusing bastardization of English with restricted grammar and limited vocabulary. Its purpose, said Orwell, is “to diminish the range of thought.” In Newspeak, for example, "plusgood" combines the meanings of "better" and "great". It blurs any distinction.
Credit: Google.
I've found it preferable to carefully limit my exposure to the messages from that account.
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It's very conspicuous, what there is on this forum, that you have never (or hardly ever) said that you dislike and would rather not see. This marks you as someone that is not comfortable with a political forum (as this purports to be) that is actually open for divergent and contrasting ideas and interpretations of "what's happening in this world."
I am not at all open to the hedonism and debauchery of today's Progressive Left agenda.
Why the hell would I want to discuss it?
This is but a subforum in a Forum about Pontiac Fieros.
I don't see you in Tech, helping people solve their problems. I don't see you in General, promoting the efforts of people organizing events or looking for info on their cars. I don't see you in the Mall, buying or selling.
You are here only to further division in our country, pushing the B.S. agenda of the media and the Left.
Is there any other reason you show up here, other than to antagonize?
If Biden is a "Leftist", what would be a meaningful shorthand or label for Bernie Sanders? Elizabeth Warren? Pramila Jayapal? Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez? What about Tim Ryan? Michael Bennet? Mark Warner? Joe Manchin?
These are hammers:
This is a hammer:
They're all hammers, but if "hammer" is the only word that's available to describe them, that's a "Swing and a Miss". It just won't do, in almost any but the most infrequently encountered contexts.
So it is with that particular forum member and "Leftist". It's the word he utters more frequently than any other. It's an astonishing spectacle... a propaganda-like performative art of the lowest kind. I'm glad that I don't have to deal with anyone llike that offline. The most distinguishing aspect of the long-running commentary from that particular forum member is the devaluation of the English language. The abandonment of meaning. And what does it bring to mind, from the pages of history?
My first thought was of the most notorious totalitarian regimes of the 20th century. The Soviet Communists and the Nazis. The propaganda-driven debasement of the Russian and German languages in those times. Much has been written about it.
Then I was reminded of "Newspeak", the official language of Oceania in Orwell's "1984". To wit: [QUOTE]Newspeak is an ambiguous and confusing bastardization of English with restricted grammar and limited vocabulary. Its purpose, said Orwell, is “to diminish the range of thought.” In Newspeak, for example, "plusgood" combines the meanings of "better" and "great". It blurs any distinction.
Credit: Google.
I've found it preferable to carefully limit my exposure to the messages from that account.
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Randye I correct in his labels. A "leftist" is a life style choice and a hammer is a tool to be used to smash things and or build things. A leftist can change their lifestyle and a hammer can not. A leftist is born with a clean slate that can choose it's purpose but a hammer, any hammer, ALL hammers are purpose built for specific purposes and can not change into a screw driver, for example. Leftists are not built, they are programmed
Originally posted by randye: Rick you might be surprised that I actually DO consider most Leftists, especially ones on this forum, to be a type of "hardware".
They are best referred to as "DRILL BIT".
Because a *drill bit* is A SMALL, BORING, TOOL
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According to the Urban Dictionary, a 'tool' is someone who lacks the mental capacity to know he or she is being used.
dear americans what ever you think the germans in 1933 SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING
NOW IS THE TIME FOR YOU TO BE DOING THAT NOW __________________
Well... getting back to the (proverbial) "Original Topic" or "Original Post", that opening bid (so to speak) from forum member "ray b" offers up a number of different possibilities.
I hereby enter into the Pennock's record, the Table of Contents, Introduction and Executive Summary from a 72-page "tome" that purports to be "Lost, Not Stolen: the Conservative case that Trump won and Biden lost the 2020 presidential election." https://lostnotstolen.org/download/378/
It's just something that people who are interested in this topic of "THE TIME IS NOW" might want to quickly scroll through. Not to delve into the details of the report, but to quickly apprehend the broad contours of the report... like a view looking down upon the report from a higher elevation.
I put it on display in this thread before, but the only response was some pointless and irrelevant "grousing" about one of the report's eight (8) top-level signatories.
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This is a crude "Look At Me" kind of message. The ostentacious visual format on Pennock's (text color and stylings) and the sophomoric style of presentation are indicative of its less than miniscule value. Distilled to its essence, this Pennock's post only asserts "If you don't react to Pennock's forum member '"randye's" contributions to this forum in a thoroughly approving manner, you must be mentally ill."
It's another one of literally countless examples of why I prefer to very carefully limit my exposure to the meaningless, Orwellian "Newspeak" that ceaselessly emanates from that particular Pennock's user account.
I found an articulate and well thought out comment from a reader about the Washington Times report of April 21, 2021, that was the excuse for that particularly shallow bit of self-indulgence from the Pennock forum's "Newspeak" account.
Anyone can see this comment by using the link and scrolling down a very short ways until this paragraph, which is where the reader's analysis begins:
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Your first source claims "A 2020 Pew Research study reveals that over half of white, liberal women have been diagnosed with a mental health condition at some point." The author bases this not a Pew document itself, but on a Twitter thread by political science graduate student Zach Goldberg, who describes himself as a "Wokeness Studies scholar".
Everything that I see on this page from StackExchange about the Washington Times report is good. The one reader's comment that I've singled out, and the footnotes.
This is the intelligent response to the Washington Times report of April 21, 2021, which was published under the misleading title or banner of "White liberals more likely to have a mental health condition", and the intelligent response to this Washington Times report, distilled to its essence, is that this Washington Times report is (was) utter nonsense.
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