quote Originally posted by cliffw: Are you afraid to admit it ?

Afraid to admit that I have been afraid? Hell no. Only an idiot would claim otherwise.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: Heh, here is a good example of the difference between liberals and conservatives. When a conservative fears something, he does something about it. When a liberal fears, they want to change everybody else's behavior. Another liberal trait. That everybody must think like a liberal.

Ahhh yes politics, I see you miss the point as well.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: Tell me. Why is pain necessary ? To develop fear ? I don't think pain or fear is necessary.

Maybe I can answer it this way, show me a person who doesn't fear and feels no pain?

quote Originally posted by newf: Maybe I can answer it this way, show me a person who doesn't fear and feels no pain?

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/6...rl-unable-feel-pain/

quote Originally posted by Formula88: I can differentiate a fear based response with a logical choice to avoid a perceived negative. Preference isn't solely based on fear. For something to reach the level of fear it needs to be able to induce a physiological response. Turning on the light to see better isn't based on fear, even though you make the choice to avoid a perceived negative. Being afraid of the dark and feeling anxiety because of the darkness is a fear based reaction.

I'm sure you'll point out where I said it was solely based on anything.

A "logical choice" to avoid a perceived negative but what is that choice based on, fear of negative outcome?

quote Originally posted by Formula88: If you live your life believing so much is based on fear, I suppose you'll see it that way. I do not. If you choose to define your life in terms of fear, so be it. I choose not to.

"If".....If my Aunt had balls she'd be my Uncle.

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quote Originally posted by newf: I'll ask again, which base emotions is a baby born with?

quote Originally posted by 2.5: But what is your point, saying that it is a "base emotion". What does that nean to you? It seems you consider being prepared or logical concern to be the same as every other fear. Do you at least see differeces in logical, being prepared, vs unfounded, or realistic vs baseless, scared?

I'm saying "base emotion" means nothing.

quote Originally posted by Formula88: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/6...rl-unable-feel-pain/

Awesome thanks!

quote “Some people would say that’s a good thing. But no, it’s not,” says Tara Blocker, Ashlyn’s mother. “Pain’s there for a reason. It lets your body know something’s wrong and it needs to be fixed. I’d give anything for her to feel pain.”

quote Originally posted by newf: Sorry I should have responded sooner. Look at the examples and reasons people have for carrying a weapons (any weapon). Are people going to say they are not basing it on some kind of fear? Well of course only the REAL men will.

Newf... I have to agree with your fear statement. I fear harm to my family. I fear dying in a car wreck. It IS fear that has kept me vigilant in my travels through life. I do not carry a gun, but I do carry a knife due to fear.

I feel that I should have commented on this earlier. Fear drives us. I think lack of fear in certain aspects of my life are keeping me from greatness. I hope this makes sense?

Fear can be a great thing.

quote Originally posted by newf: Look at the examples and reasons people have for carrying a weapons (any weapon). Are people going to say they are not basing it on some kind of fear? Well of course only the REAL men will.

Of course, that is why we carry a spare tire in the car! Tire fear! Nothing to do with being prepared, nope, nothing at all.

That is why F 18s have an ejection seat. Fear; fear of . . . what is there to be afraid of in or around an F 18 that makes it inherently frightening? That's why it has an ejection seat, anyway, isn't it? Not preparation, nope, nothing to do with that.

quote Originally posted by newf: You'll be sure to let the scientific community that it's NOT a base emotion then? Which emotions do you think are innate?

You are prone to ask questions.
Much less prone to answer them.
Not surprising.

quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: ...are you made of Sugar or maybe its Sh!t you are made of, because your posts are full of it, because their is no real legitimate reason to be afraid of getting a little wet.

You obviously didn't understand my post, I'm sorry if that was my fault.

Other than that, classy contribution to the discussion, kudos!

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He bought that one from Fats.......

quote Originally posted by Tony Kania: Newf... I have to agree with your fear statement. I fear harm to my family. I fear dying in a car wreck. It IS fear that has kept me vigilant in my travels through life. I do not carry a gun, but I do carry a knife due to fear. I feel that I should have commented on this earlier. Fear drives us. I think lack of fear in certain aspects of my life are keeping me from greatness. I hope this makes sense? Fear can be a great thing.

Can be a great thing and a terrible thing IMO.

quote Originally posted by newf: You seem to have missed the point, feel free to go back and read though the thread again. If you don't agree I really don't mind.

I think what we have happening is points, points maybe on the same piece of paper, but if you draw lines they dont intersect, though some think they do.
Might be where we are coming from, or where we came from that is part of the cause.

quote Originally posted by 2.5: I think what we have happening is points, points maybe on the same piece of paper, but if you draw lines they dont intersect, though some think they do. Might be where we are coming from, or where we came from that is part of the cause.

I hear you

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quote Originally posted by FIEROPHREK: It's not about being afraid, it's about being prepared and aware that the real world its fu#$ing dangerous. I bet the young Brit soldier that got his head cut off in front of a crowd of people wished someone had a gun. But I guess he didn't have a need for a gun did he?

quote Originally posted by Neils88: Make sure you walk around in body armour too...never know when someone will take you out with a sniper shot.

quote Originally posted by FIEROPHREK: Ever hear of Charles Whitman? How about Lee Harvey Oswald or the DC sniper? It does happen so don't play it off as an impossible event. I've moved out of the country and into the city and its violent here. People always getting shot. Its mostly in the hood, but that doesn't mean it will stay in the hood. Its only about a mile from my side of the tracks to the bad side literally! I'm just not ready to play the chance game with my life and that of my family. Especially when I can stack the deck in my favor. You super civilized non gun needing folks have a safe and prosperous life

Wow...way to miss my point...

My comment was to point out that sometimes sh!t happens and you can't be prepared. The attack in the UK is an example of this...doesn't happen often, but it can happen. Sniper attacks don't happen often, but CAN happen...yet you don't wear body armour 24/7...why not? Your example cited an extremely rare event in the UK...not a daily occurrence.

Not much interest in this thread. Same old boring debate that no one wins.

Do you have an automobile wreck every day?

quote Originally posted by newf: Afraid to admit that I have been afraid? Hell no. Only an idiot would claim otherwise.

The question was not if you have ever been afraid.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: Are we getting to the root of y'alls aversion to an armed populace ? Fear ?

quote Originally posted by newf: Maybe I can answer it this way, show me a person who doesn't fear and feels no pain?

Again you did not answer the question. Why is it necessary ?
Since you are not answering questions, let me pose a few more. If you could do something to alleviate the pain, would you ? If you could do something to quell your fear, would you ? You being the operative word. Why is your solution to force all others to kneel to your beliefs ?

quote Originally posted by cliffw: <snip> Why is your solution to force all others to kneel to your beliefs ?

Amen

quote Originally posted by cliffw: Again you did not answer the question. Why is it necessary ? Since you are not answering questions, let me pose a few more. If you could do something to alleviate the pain, would you ? If you could do something to quell your fear, would you ? You being the operative word. Why is your solution to force all others to kneel to your beliefs ?

Hmmmmm.

Somehow fear plays into it, I'm sure.....

Detroit police chief: Armed citizens can make city safer.

quote Originally posted by Neils88: (Snip) Same old boring debate that no one wins.

As long as the debate continues, we are free. When the right to armed self defense is no longer available to the people, freedom is gone.

Forever.

It is that simple.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: Again you did not answer the question. Why is it necessary ? Since you are not answering questions, let me pose a few more. If you could do something to alleviate the pain, would you ? If you could do something to quell your fear, would you ? You being the operative word. Why is your solution to force all others to kneel to your beliefs ?

Umm the only question you asked me is "are you afraid to admit it?"

Afraid to admit what exactly?

quote Originally posted by cliffw: Since you are not answering questions, let me pose a few more.

Makes sense.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: If you could do something to alleviate the pain, would you ? If you could do something to quell your fear, would you ? You being the operative word. Why is your solution to force all others to kneel to your beliefs ?

Alleviate what pain? Please be more specific in your questions!!!!

quote Originally posted by cliffw: If you could do something to quell your fear, would you ? You being the operative word.

Quell my fear? It depends on if the fear is healthy or not, as I have stated fear is a base emotion it can be a very useful one.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: Why is your solution to force all others to kneel to your beliefs ?

I have no idea what you are talking about. Solution to what?

And the bell tolls.....

Err, the newf trolls.

My mistake.

quote Originally posted by olejoedad: And the bell tolls..... Err, the newf trolls. My mistake.

It's a mistake alright, you have no idea what a troll is.

A differing opinion does not make one a troll, sorry if you can't accept it.

quote Originally posted by olejoedad: As long as the debate continues, we are free. When the right to armed self defense is no longer available to the people, freedom is gone. Forever. It is that simple.

...in your mind.

quote Originally posted by yellowstone: ...in your mind.

In the minds of free thinkers. We are not ants. This is not a colony. We are individuals that choose to think. I am slowly being told to give up a freedom that is granted in our Constitution because "little Ricky" chooses not to play well with others. Even as a child, I knew me staying late after school because another student did something to keep the whole class after, was wrong. It is wrong that I/We should be scolded for another's actions. That there is a FAIL in my book.

quote Originally posted by yellowstone: I feel your pain, happens to me all the time. Ad hominem is such an easy way out of any discussion.

like this one?

quote ...in your mind.

A bullet is not a dam nuclear bomb, but today in countries like the UK and many others where people have no knowledge of these facts because guns are outlawed and only outlaws have guns it could be understandable of the people in those places. But to people like many here who know more about guns than those from other countries it is just plain funny and stupid. like the woman from the city who thought a deer in her yard was going to eat her.

Steve

quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: A bullet is not a dam nuclear bomb, but today in countries like the UK and many others where people have no knowledge of these facts because guns are outlawed and only outlaws have guns it could be understandable of the people in those places. But to people like many here who know more about guns than those from other countries it is just plain funny and stupid. like the woman from the city who thought a deer in her yard was going to eat her. Steve

Hey, Ii was attacked by a dear late one night a few months ago.......................... pretty sure they won't eat you but they will attack.

Hey that would make a good movie, carnivorous dear! they did that with sheep and I enjoyed the piss out of it. Black Sheep, Aussie film.

quote Originally posted by newf: Umm the only question you asked me is "are you afraid to admit it?"

If we are not gonna have an honest discussion we are not gonna have a discussion.
Are you afraid to answer the question ?

quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: You want to know what a joke is, people who were city folk, bought a place in the outskirts of the city bordering a wooded area and would call the local animal control guy, we know real well, that there was a deer in their yard and they were afraid to go outside because it was going to eat them, that a joke. a single bullet in a garden in the UK scaring someone is not a joke it is stupid.

quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: ....it is just plain funny and stupid. like the woman from the city who thought a deer in her yard was going to eat her.

People are often afraid of what they're unfamiliar with. Uh oh... I used that nasty word again.

And before you laugh at the "city folk" who might be scared of a deer, have a look at this...

quote Originally posted by Patrick: People are often afraid of what they're unfamiliar with.

People ? My last Doberman was not afraid of skunks. The first time. I now have one which was not afraid of porcupines. The first time.

EDIT
Funny video, .

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quote Originally posted by cliffw: Funny video, .

I don't know if I'd call the video "funny", but I was a little surprised when I found out the guy encouraged the attack by spraying himself with female elk urine.

quote Originally posted by Patrick: I don't know if I'd call the video "funny", but I was a little surprised when I found out the guy encouraged the attack by spraying himself with female elk urine.

No Elk urine with me during my attack but I did have a flashlight, must have thought I was a moving car and was just trying to get in front of it.

Contributing anything logical to this thread would be a crime.