I was talking comic books, which are considered art by many. I happen to care less about comic art personally, but others do, which was my point. I'm not overly impressed with bronze sculpture either, but i wouldn't run around claiming its not art simply because i don't like it, much as you are doing with tattoos.
I was also not talking illegal defacing of property. While it may be art on that wall, it doesn't make it legal.
Yeah, mmm? Bad analogy for nobody said comic books wasn't an art.
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Art is a personal thing and you cant call anything not 'real' art or 'real'.
However, my analogy is simple. The Graffiti artist claim they're form of work is art and so too does the tattooed person. Both parties grow up, become productive citizens, and both parties realizes the damages they have caused during their youthful indiscretion and are now non-reversible, because of the lack of resources.
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E.Furgal Member
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Originally posted by madcurl: However, my analogy is simple. The Graffiti artist claim they're form of work is art and so too does the tattooed person. Both parties grow up, become productive citizens, and both parties realizes the damages they have caused during their youthful indiscretion and are now non-reversible, because of the lack of resources.
difference is a tat is on their own body that they own.. the graffiti artist work is on "others" property..
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yellowstone Member
Posts: 9299 From: Düsseldorf/Germany Registered: Jun 2003
On the subject of "real art" have you seen the art work painted on bridges, walls, box cars, and homes? Some call that art and others call it vandalized. No matter how hard they to try to make this type of art work acceptable all you have to do is drive pass the nearest freeway and you'll see this art work.
I think you're being unreasonable here. You don't like tattoos, fair enough. But only the tattooed person has to bear the consequences of their actions, if any, other than that it's a victim-less "crime". Graffiti art can be great, there are some awesome (legal) public graffiti murals in our neighborhood. The idiots that tag other people's property are a whole different story. The problem is not the "art", though.
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madcurl Member
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Let analyze this. Let's see the evidence. Art work is only as-good canvas it's printed on and inspiration behind. If you have tattoos will let’s see them and compare art to art work found in museums. Please show us the old canvas from your youthful indiscretion.
Let's us see your work of art. Is your skin holding up to the original ink drops pinned underneath your skin?
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madcurl Member
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I think you're being unreasonable here. You don't like tattoos, fair enough. But only the tattooed person has to bear the consequences of their actions, if any, other than that it's a victim-less "crime".
Oh really, is that so? The person grows up and produces a family. Will the children suffer because the parent made poor choices in life? What about the person with tons of gang tattoos and now wants to change his life but can’t find the money to reverse the tattoos? What about the person whose changed his life but is still targeted by rival gangs or tagged by the LEO? Your calling this "victimless"?
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E.Furgal Member
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I think you're being unreasonable here. You don't like tattoos, fair enough. But only the tattooed person has to bear the consequences of their actions, if any, other than that it's a victim-less "crime". Graffiti art can be great, there are some awesome (legal) public graffiti murals in our neighborhood. The idiots that tag other people's property are a whole different story. The problem is not the "art", though.
the problem IS THE ART.. as they can't seem to find a piece of canvas and paint it.. and get the same "fame" from it as their "taging" funny they never tag their own car or home..
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madcurl Member
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Hello, loyal reader. There are things we already know we shouldn’t be doing, but it takes someone else to tell us for us to stop. Hence, I am here to tell you… STOP GETTING STUPID TATTOOS!!! I know what you’re thinking. You’re ready to say, “But, Nova Giovanni – YOU have tattoos.” Well, thank you for pointing out the obvious. However, this isn’t about having tattoos. This is about STUPID tattoos.
First, let us define what a stupid tattoo is. Well, it is quite simple. A stupid tattoo is a tattoo that is stupid. A stupid tattoo can fall into many different categories. I will be elaborating on a few and explaining why they are stupid. Keep in mind- this is in no particular order and they are all equally stupid in this one nation, indivisible, under God.
Generic tattoos are STUPID! A tattoo is something that will forever be on your body, it isn’t like your yaki weave you can take off when you’re tired of it. Why would you get a tattoo design more common than the cold? Generic tattoos include paw prints, cherries/strawberries/or any other fruit dripping, a clothing line emblem like Applebottoms or Baby Phat (which can now be found in Wal Mart), among others. If you have one of these tattoos, you may not be stupid – but, your tattoo is DEFINITELY stupid!
Big women with small tattoos, you look STUPID! Tattoos are like clothing, they should be proportionate with your body. It makes NO sense to have an extra large body with extra medium tattoos covering it. Your body is a collage of small tattoos with no theme. Woe to you.
Gentlemen, stop getting M.O.B. (Money Over B*tches) tattoos on the back of your hands and asking for rides or money. If that is what you’re doing, know that your art isn’t imitating your life. It is contradicting it. If you have an M.O.B. tattoo, swallow your pride and don’t ask me for ANYTHING! You put Money Over B*tches and have NEITHER! False advertisement, indeed.
On another note, if you have a tattoo based upon a trendy song – it is STUPID. How do you have “5 Star Chick” tattooed across your chest, but work for housekeeping at a 2 star hotel? All grown men with a Jay Z or Lil Wayne lyric tattooed on them should be shot out of a cannonball into the middle of the Pacific Ocean and serve their life purpose as shark food.
If you tattoo the name of a boyfriend/girlfriend on you – YOU are STUPID and don’t deserve love or happiness in any future relationship until it is removed. What hard drug were you under the influence of at the time of getting it? Stupid people don’t marry people they commit to, they tattoo their names on them. After the relationship is over, the ink remains. The tattoo you was once proud of is now one of your many scars of love from failed past relationships. Even worse, this one is on display to others. No self-respecting person is going to commit to you with the brand of another person on you. Get it removed or you shall never be promoted past the ‘friends with benefits’ zone.
Nova isn’t here to chastise or belittle you. I have tattoos myself (none half as stupid as some of yours, of course). But, enough is enough! If you are considering getting one of these tattoos, I hope this article has served as intervention. Don’t do it!!! Remember, its easier to prevent a bad situation than have to fix it. Nova Knows…
I Love You (but, I won’t tattoo your name on my body to prove it),
I can list a dozen more if you want, but these people are ARTISTS. Even if its not in your estimation. Now, if you want to discuss what qualifies as "Art", I hope you brought a lunch because we'll be here all day. The first link is an art gallery, and actually features preserved japanes body suits from 200 years ago. So, your theory on the canvas not being art because it is mortal.. well.. thats plain wrong, too.
Not sure what your beef is with tattooing, or if its just against bad tattoos. Could you clear up the reasoning behind your opinions, you really have not been too clear as to why you are so down on them other than youthful bad decisions and unprofessional operators. Now, throw those two factors out the door.. what ELSE is wrong with them that you have spent 3 pages putting them down?
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Unless your a pirate, slave, stupid gang, or a animal IMHO the whole idea of having tattoes is just plain silly. I've seen tribal tattoes on Whites and you know the closest they've come to any tribe is from viewing a history book. As for Blacks..please! That is plain stupid and for you can't even see the colors. As for the all others like the "tramp stamp" that just goes on to show how silly some people jump on the band wagon and think it's cool. Not!
Just 'cause you're blacker than my wallet does not mean every person of African Descent cannot take color.. on the contrary, I have had some incredible results with color on several people who had medium skin tones. One of my regular clients, Vandy, is a pretty dark guy and we have blasted a lot of color into his skin and it shows up great. But yeah, once skin is so dark, it really does not show up anymore.
As far as the rest of your statement above, its really no wonder people are reacting to it the way they do.. its pretty closeminded, but luckily for the tattoo world, you don't decide for everyone else what is right and wrong.
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You know what the difference between tattooed people nd non-tattoed people are? tattooed people don't care if you have a tattoo or not!
Yes I have a tattoo. It's a Celtic cross (yes my family is from Scotland) and around it it says "Per suus vitualamen nostrum salus" which means "With his sacrifice our salvation" Please tell me how this makes me bad person or gang affiliated or anything that you stated Mad Curl.
Shelby
+1 for you sir!
My friend Earl says it best: I don't really care what non-tattooed people think.
How's this for descrimination? I will have a sign up in my business that says "Non Tattooed people need not apply!"
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Originally posted by E.Furgal: wouldn't that be cutting off nose to spite your face.. as everyone was non tattooed at some point, no?
Not really.. nobody working in a tattoo shop should have un-inked skin. Thats like a bald barber.
Not spiting anything.. if they are not interested in the industry enough to support it by sporting some ink, i am not interested in giving them a job in that industry. I can see it now.. "Hi, welcome to *name of tattoo shop* If you have any questions please refer them to someone who cares about tattoos and may know something about them." Yeah, that would go over great. No, to work in a tattoo shop you should have some ink , be interested in the industry, and know a few things about tattooing before you start answering the questions of others about it.
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Seriously, you know that the Zodiac Killer used the same Celtic cross and that it's original origins are Pagan, right? From the Sun Goddess. You can look it up on the internet if you don't believe me.
How do you know it's the same cross? There are literally dozens of variations of Celtic crosses. I designed most of my tattoo myself and it is on my back hidden from view unless I show it to you you will never see it. As to your statement about fading over the years that not really true either. I have a smaller dragon on my right shoulder that I had done about 16 years ago in black that still looks the same as the day it was put on with zero fading. Oh and to let you know the Militaries tattoo policy has been in effect for over 10 years so the guy who served and got out and wanted to get back in already knew the policy before he left so that sob story doesn't work with me.
Nurb I apologize to you if my statement about tatted and non tatted people offended. It wasn't ment to.
I know a guy in his 60's that has Frank Zappa's face on his upper arm. He doesn't regret it. Used to have a friend that was pretty much neck to toe in tattoos ( and piercings ) and never regretted a one of them ( she is no longer with us however ). Different strokes for different folks. There is room for everyone, without insults. ( not saying you were.. just the general topic )
Hah... well, let's not forget that they've already changed bassists again, and this was a couple of years before they came out with LOAD. And honestly... I haven't really listened to anything since load, and don't really listen to anything older than the black album. Shoot... who am I kidding... any time music is over 1/4 volume, I complain that it's too loud now.
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Oh really, is that so? The person grows up and produces a family. Will the children suffer because the parent made poor choices in life? What about the person with tons of gang tattoos and now wants to change his life but can’t find the money to reverse the tattoos? What about the person whose changed his life but is still targeted by rival gangs or tagged by the LEO? Your calling this "victimless"?
I'm no fan of tattoos and I think they don't look good on most people (especially when they get older) but in the end it's their own decision. I don't see how people can reasonably be kept from having them other than by being way too intrusive. I also think it's a fad for the general public and it will fade by itself.
I would compare it to people having dangerous hobbies. They could dangerously hurt themselves, become incapacitated or even kill themselves. That would surely inconvenience other people such as their families. But can you keep them form doing it?
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I'm no fan of tattoos and I think they don't look good on most people (especially when they get older) but in the end it's their own decision. I don't see how people can reasonably be kept from having them other than by being way too intrusive. I also think it's a fad for the general public and it will fade by itself.
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Posts: 5563 From: Clementon,NJ,USA Registered: Jun 2000
I have read enough of the previous posts that I think I have an idea how people feel ! I have 2 tattoos,the first I got when I was 60,and at about 65 I had the first gone over and added to.It was the typical Mighty Mouse flying ,I added a wrench in his raised hand and the saying" here I come to save the day" around it (I was a refrigeration serviceman).The second tat.was added at that time,it is of Pegasus,they are on each calf.The reason? I have 2 Fieros ,1 is powered by a 3800SC and 1 has a turbocharged 383 with a few goodies.Mighty Mouse(abreviated of course) is the license plate that will be on my car with the mouse motor.( seen in my signature)My 1 daughter-in-law has 2 that only her husband sees(not in bad spots) and one of my grandaughters has two small very nice ones (she works in a bank)
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Yeah, mmm? Bad analogy for nobody said comic books wasn't an art.
*snip*
However, my analogy is simple. The Graffiti artist claim they're form of work is art and so too does the tattooed person. Both parties grow up, become productive citizens, and both parties realizes the damages they have caused during their youthful indiscretion and are now non-reversible, because of the lack of resources.
Many people have said comic book are are not art and should not be taken seriously. No, not here in this thread, but if you haven't heard that before, then something is wrong and you should get out more.
They grow up? WTF? Idiot. I'm done with it, like others have mentioned you are too narrow minded to see beyond your sad little world and using your irrational biases to judge others where you have no right to do so. Screw it. Just try remember this the next time someone returns the 'favor' and acts the same towards you due to some arbitrary decision you have made in your life that you think is perfectly acceptable, or even just because of what you are. Then you might see how stupid and childish your actions are here today. ( see, people can call you stupid for what you do too.. how does that feel? )
Whats peoples thoughts on branding? I would rather get that done than a tattoo.
While i wouldn't get one, if you wanted one, have a ball. There might be medical repercussions however, so you would want to do some good research first.
I'm no fan of tattoos and I think they don't look good on most people (especially when they get older) but in the end it's their own decision. I don't see how people can reasonably be kept from having them other than by being way too intrusive. I also think it's a fad for the general public and it will fade by itself.
I would compare it to people having dangerous hobbies. They could dangerously hurt themselves, become incapacitated or even kill themselves. That would surely inconvenience other people such as their families. But can you keep them form doing it?
Comparing getting a tattoo to killing yourself?
ya, sure.
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hugh Member
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Oh really, is that so? The person grows up and produces a family. Will the children suffer because the parent made poor choices in life? What about the person with tons of gang tattoos and now wants to change his life but can’t find the money to reverse the tattoos? What about the person whose changed his life but is still targeted by rival gangs or tagged by the LEO? Your calling this "victimless"?
I get it, you are off your medication. Now it all makes sense.
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yellowstone Member
Posts: 9299 From: Düsseldorf/Germany Registered: Jun 2003
/sarcasm ON Don't worry, someday you will grow up and be a productive member of society and regret your decision to exercise your freedom. /sarcasm OFF
I got enough of the point to dismiss it completely and i'm personally getting tired of all the ludicrous comparisons people are making ( not just you in this case, but in many threads, and by many people ).
But then again i really shouldn't care either way, I'm not reading as much on here as before as all OT has become is just an excuse for a bunch of people to bicker and toss mud at each other.
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I got enough of the point to dismiss it completely and i'm personally getting tired of all the ludicrous comparisons people are making ( not just you in this case, but in many threads, and by many people ).
Maybe you shouldn't answer a post if you don't read and/or understand its contents. I also think I'm agreeing with you on this topic.
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Maybe you shouldn't answer a post if you don't read and/or understand its contents. I also think I'm agreeing with you on this topic.
Yes, we agree in general on the topic. We just didn't agree on your example to make the point to him
But in the end, everyone is talking to a brick wall, as he has his mind set that everyone who has a tattoo is an immature idiot or tied to an evil gang somehow. That and its only art if *he* Judges it to be art. Pre-judging people on a persons appearance like that is his loss, as is such a narrow view of what 'art' can be.
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Let's us see your work of art. Is your skin holding up to the original ink drops pinned underneath your skin?
I don't have any yet. I have kept in reasonable shape for someone in their late 40s and have a good paying job, there are several people that have tats at work but you would know it. That is what I plan on doing, shoulders and upper arms. When I was in the Navy I couldn't afford a tat, found several that I wanted and even put some to paper but never had the expendable cash. I wouldn't have a problem with any of them if I had got them. I am proud of the service I did for our country and the other tats I want have meaning to me.
Whats peoples thoughts on branding? I would rather get that done than a tattoo.
Now thats just stupid
There were several guys I served with that got it done. If you do go to a professional, they did it in the barracks and were wrote up for it when they got an infection.
Having said that tho, I have a small well done tattoo on my chest--"installed" about 20 yrs ago. I wish I hadn't, wouldn't do it again, and have no plans for another.
HOWEVER, for those who have recently met me in person, you know I have a very noticeable large lump on my back, around the right shoulder blade aboput the size of 1/2 a large grapefruit. I have on one occassion, had Jane get her makeup out, and paint a nipple and areole on it when we go to the beach. The sheriff's beach patrol was not pleased, and I had to cover it, wash it, or leave the beach.
(yes, it is still growing, is entrenched in my upper spinal column and will probably kill or paralyze me sooner rather than later. I simply don't care)
(yes, it is still growing, is entrenched in my upper spinal column and will probably kill or paralyze me sooner rather than later. I simply don't care)
Disagreement's aside, id hate to see anything bad happen to anyone around here..
Is it fixable?
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Posts: 5486 From: Charleston SC Registered: Dec 2001
I do not care for tats at all. My opinion... Does it make me look at an individual any different - nope, but I would not date a woman that is tatted up. A small inconspicous tattoo is okay, but big bold ones - nope. Back on topic, this thread reminded me of this thread... Moral of the story? Do not get a tattoo in a language you do not understand....
There might be medical repercussions however, so you would want to do some good research first.
