Whats peoples thoughts on branding? I would rather get that done than a tattoo.
It smells bad. It hurts worse. I would never do or get one, but to each their own, I suppose. I don't think they ever look really good, though.
Now, there are some cowboy body-modders out there that are performing less than savory services for the public, including some prety gruesome brands on faces, tongue splitting, teeth sharpening, subdermal jewlery, suspension piercings, corsettes, bound feet, gunshots.. and my least favorite: Nullification. That is, willful amputation. The rest of that stuff, if that's what you want to do.. whatever, its your life. But, if I ever meet someone who says they willfully amputate arms and legs from "clients", I would probably jump on them and beat the dogshit out of them.
My mother was a double amputee and one of my very close friends is a 3/4 quad.. both people who would have liked to have fully functioning limbs and were cruelly denied it. Now you have operators preying on the sickness of others by removing their limbs. Its mind numbing to think about, it really is where I draw the line.
By comparison, tattoos on willing clients seems absolutely tame.
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Blacktree Member
Posts: 20770 From: Central Florida Registered: Dec 2001
Originally posted by topcat: Moral of the story? Do not get a tattoo in a language you do not understand....
I am in total agreement with this. You would think common sense would kick in and make them think twice. But apparently not. Whenever I see a non-oriental kid (it's always kids, heh) with oriental symbols tattooed on conspicuous parts of his/her body, it reminds me of this song:
That said, I do have a tattoo, and do not regret it. But I went into it knowing that I'd be carrying it around for several decades, and planned accordingly.
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04:31 PM
Cliff Pennock Administrator
Posts: 11874 From: Zandvoort, The Netherlands Registered: Jan 99
I really don't like colored tattoos. But I love monochromatic tattoos (like tribal). I think they look beautiful and don't see them as anything else but artistic. I couldn't care less about any underlying meaning. I just love those designs. If you type in "tribal" into google image search, I seriously love everything that pops up. I would have gotten a tattoo a long time ago if my doctor would have allowed me.
That said, I do have a tattoo, and do not regret it. But I went into it knowing that I'd be carrying it around for several decades, and planned accordingly.
My only regret was that i chose white for parts of it when i designed it, and white never turns out well i guess. Been better off leaving them 'skin' color.
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blackrams Member
Posts: 32820 From: Covington, TN, USA Registered: Feb 2003
I would have gotten a tattoo a long time ago if my doctor would have allowed me.
Cliff, This is a curious statement. Though this may be none of our business (if so, please say so) I have to ask. Is that due to some medical control doctors have there? Just curious. If it's personal, just tell me it's none of my business.
------------------ Ron We learn good judgement by exercising bad judgement. Such is the human condition, as sad as that sounds.
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Cliff Pennock Administrator
Posts: 11874 From: Zandvoort, The Netherlands Registered: Jan 99
This is a curious statement. Though this may be none of our business (if so, please say so) I have to ask. Is that due to some medical control doctors have there?
With "if my doctor allowed me" I mean that he strongly advises against me getting a (big) tattoo if I don't want to bleed to death.
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08:25 PM
madcurl Member
Posts: 21401 From: In a Van down by the Kern River Registered: Jul 2003
Many people have said comic book are are not art and should not be taken seriously. No, not here in this thread, but if you haven't heard that before, then something is wrong and you should get out more.
Still? You're still talking about comic books? Let it go bud for you're the only person here ranting about comic book art and trying to attach it here. Your weak analogy hold no weight.
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Still? You're still talking about comic books? Let it go bud for you're the only person here ranting about comic book art and trying to attach it here. Your weak analogy hold no weight.
Actually it was perfect, and your response proves it.( especially since it was a direct response to something you had said ) But like i said above, I'm finished with you on the subject.
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Jul 16th, 2012
madcurl Member
Posts: 21401 From: In a Van down by the Kern River Registered: Jul 2003
I can list a dozen more if you want, but these people are ARTISTS. Even if its not in your estimation. Now, if you want to discuss what qualifies as "Art", I hope you brought a lunch because we'll be here all day. The first link is an art gallery, and actually features preserved japanes body suits from 200 years ago. So, your theory on the canvas not being art because it is mortal.. well.. thats plain wrong, too.
I really don't know where to begin here. Either you're talking about some modern day Buffalo Bill body suits from the Silence of the Lambs or a weak attempt at explaining the integumentary system. That said I gave the straight dope explanation as to the silliness of tattoos and the persons who wear them. If you are a White dude with a tribal tattooed from straight-up Middle American everybody knows you have nothing to do with any tribe or tribal tattoo. If you are a Black person that is walking around everybody knows that black ink does not show very well on your skin. There really no other way of explaining it.
As for "art" really. What were talking about here? Objects such as: a make of car, motor bike, flowers, religious marking, famous words, and/a cartoon. Many of the items just described are found in a catalog book which was stenciled onto the body and the tattoo artist fills in. Yes, there's some tattoo artist who can do free hand and create something new without the aid of a picture, but still the canvas has it's limitation for there isn't enough material (upper and lower extremities). At best you have posterior and that too is limited.
Moving onto the integument system. Even a blind person can explain to you that the skin changes from infancy to the day you die. The skin of an infant is soft to the touch while a person in his middle ages the skin is dry, blotchy, and thin to the touch, but yet we’re to believe somehow the tattoo is going to be persevered even though the skin is dying. Yeah right. . I'm sure 200 years from now a White dude with cartoon art tattoo pale incomparison to those Japanese that are 200 years old now. For the Japanes it's cuulture and has history and meaning, but a dead man with cartoon or his sports team tattoos isn't.
Now for the finale. Most if not all the examples of tattoo art work are performed on those who are young for this is were most suffer from youthful indiscretions. Nobody wants to witness an over weight 40-60 year with blotchy and with sun spots. At best tattoos clash with all attire that is classy and at best it is suited for jeans and a T-shirt.
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madcurl Member
Posts: 21401 From: In a Van down by the Kern River Registered: Jul 2003
isn't tatoo dead .the plane the plane boss the plane..
if you got a tat and proud of it(them) thats all that matters.. I've also seen tat'd up guys punch people when they'd coment like mad curl is now but face to face.. that isn't any better than his comments.. the one I wanted , I chose not to get because of red cross rules of tats and giving blood.. and I gave 2 times a year.. as doing so. was a free A+ In the autorepair shop classroom.. today.. if I had more money that I need.. ie other projects were not on hold because of cash, or lask of it.. I might go get it.. but blowing 500-600 clams for it.. well isn't up on the list.. if you have them, and love getting them.. thats all that matters.. if you get them to run with a pack, thats weak sauce.. I've seen some tats that covered/hide burns or birth marks that otherwise people would stare.. and that very cool.. tats on a person that is pale as a ghost look real bad , but if they like them.. maybe get a tan...lol the sleaves, like I said above.. to me look stupid.. but it's not on my arm. so.. if you can't stand tats.. you're gonna have a problem in the car world.. as it goes hand and hand with much of it.. if your into bikes and don't like them... you better keep your mouth shut or it might get wired shut for you.. the tribal thing I don't get.. and have some inner joy at asking people at shows what that tat means.. some know.. most have no clue.. and I get to giggle inside.. no different than when I ask a guy whats it got. and they go on about it's poked and stroked. running 13 to 1 pistons on pump gas. bla bla bla.. I get to get a giggle inside.. but I have a twisted sense of humor.. I will say this.. the ones that have this tude, that they are some kind of bad@$$ because they have tats.. I can't stand.. and there are tons of them.. most times if you stick around long enough you get to see, mr tuff guy get his butt kicked. or leave with tail between his legs.. when someone.. get in bad@$$es face.. it's quite comical..
not gonna stick up for madcurl.. but calling him a bigot because he doesn't like tats.. and his view on them.. is silly.. I know allot of people my parents age.. that have the same outlook on tats.. mostly because in their time people with tats where bikers.. real bad@$$ bikers or jailbirds.. my wifes dad.. retire mil.. navy/coast guard.. almost wiped the floor with his grandson when he said he wanted to get a tat.. and "chief" has a few navy tats... but thats the way.. they are, the way their time was.. to chief, the tat wasn't body art. it was a stamp with a bold meaning.. the true meaning only the men in the navy at that time know fully.. he does't like to talk about it.. so I don't ask.. as far as employment.. your at the mercy of the hr rep and the owners wishes.. like it or not, right or wrong.. some don't want that "image" no different than companies dumping tiger because he cheated on his wife.. that most of the ones running those companies more than likely do the same,but thats another thread.. in my book ,you got a tat no problem... you got a tat and start acting like your the badest bas@$$ the worlds ever seen.. I'll stick around just to see you run away cry'n like a little girl.. if you have tats don't think everyone else has to like them.. some are downright vulger.. some are just plain stupid.. like writing cracker on your arm.. most are just that a tat.. a photo .. and thats kool.. but may not be kool to everyone.. thats life.. peace
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Sure wish I could get PIP to work so i could actually get curly to LOOK at what I linked. But since he wants to remain woefully ignorant and insulting towards those who have tattoos, there really is nothing more to talk about here.
I hope those of you who have or want tattoos get nice ones. Have a nice day!
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E.Furgal Member
Posts: 11708 From: LAND OF CONFUSION Registered: Mar 2012
Sure wish I could get PIP to work so i could actually get curly to LOOK at what I linked. But since he wants to remain woefully ignorant and insulting towards those who have tattoos, there really is nothing more to talk about here.
I hope those of you who have or want tattoos get nice ones. Have a nice day!
I really liked your first post and thought it very accurate to my feelings as well.
I guess my desk job as a Petroleum Engineer is too gangster because of my tattoo though so my opinion doesn't matter.
"Russian baritone pulls out of Bayreuth over tattoo." Yeah, a swastika tattoo non the less.
BERLIN (AP) — A Russian baritone who was due to sing the lead role in Richard Wagner's "The Flying Dutchman" when the annual Bayreuth opera festival opens next week has withdrawn from the event after it emerged that he once had Nazi-related symbols tattooed on his body.
A German television program broadcast Friday showed old footage of a bare-chested Evgeny Nikitin playing drums, in which a partly covered swastika tattoo could be seen. Festival organizers said Saturday that Nikitin made his decision amid questions from a German newspaper about the significance of some of his tattoos.
Nikitin said in a statement that getting the tattoos in his youth was "a major mistake" and that he hadn't been aware of the "extent of the confusion and hurt" they could cause.
"Russian baritone pulls out of Bayreuth over tattoo." Yeah, a swastika tattoo non the less.
BERLIN (AP) — A Russian baritone who was due to sing the lead role in Richard Wagner's "The Flying Dutchman" when the annual Bayreuth opera festival opens next week has withdrawn from the event after it emerged that he once had Nazi-related symbols tattooed on his body.
A German television program broadcast Friday showed old footage of a bare-chested Evgeny Nikitin playing drums, in which a partly covered swastika tattoo could be seen. Festival organizers said Saturday that Nikitin made his decision amid questions from a German newspaper about the significance of some of his tattoos.
Nikitin said in a statement that getting the tattoos in his youth was "a major mistake" and that he hadn't been aware of the "extent of the confusion and hurt" they could cause.
Narrow minded people? On this forum? Nahhh, your talkin crazy!
Personally i love tattoos on people when done right.. Especially on women, they can be really beautiful.. There is a girl who works across the street from my store at a tanning/beauty salon, who comes by my store alot for stuff needed for the store, and to raid my drink machine, lol. Her name is Carrie.. She is just drop dead gorgeous. Shes half American Indian, and half white.. Long jet black hair, with that amazing bronze skin.. She has her two shoulders and half her back totally covered with two full arm sleeves with tons of color. Shes starting what looks like a sleeve on her leg too as she has her ankle started, but not finished yet. I don't know where she got them done, but they are beautifully done, and really look amazing on her, and really really add to her beauty.. She would still be an amazing looking women without the tats, but IMO she looks even better with them.
Personally i would never get a tat, its not really for me, that could always change someday though, who knows, but currently i would say no id never do it. But when done right, they can be amazing. My old college girlfriend has quite a few tats, and i really loved them, we even named them lol.. When we where intimate i would always give her tats little kisses lol.. Probably more info than you needed lol, but i dont care.
Oh and on a side note, Yes! comic books are art!!
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I don't feel one way or the other concerning tats. As long as nobody tries to hog tie me, hold me down and force one on me, I don't care who has them or who doesn't. I've seen some that truly qualified as "art" and others that just shouldn't exist in any form, in any medium, anywhere! My daughter in law has a couple little ones, one on her foot/ankle and one on her back. She works at a bank, and they did ask her to keep them covered, so it affects what she can wear to work, but it didn't keep her from getting the job. Like I said though, they are small and rather inconspicuous, and can be easily hidden.
My basic philosophy dictates that everyone should be allowed to do what they want, as long as it doesn't interfere with someone else doing what they want.
Below is a pic of one of my buddies....he calls his tat.........Bob.......heeeeeeres Bob! He loves it when someone asks him if he has eyes in the back of his head!
Sure wish I could get PIP to work so i could actually get curly to LOOK at what I linked. But since he wants to remain woefully ignorant and insulting towards those who have tattoos, there really is nothing more to talk about here.
I hope those of you who have or want tattoos get nice ones. Have a nice day!
It's not worth it. Narrow minded people like Madcurl are not going to change their minds on things. All he does is pick the side that gets him the most drama, and goes from there. I think he could care less about a tattoo.
As I have said before, I don't care for tattoos on people, lots of them, a few I think looks good, but beyond that I don't care for it. I'm not going to blow a gasket all over the internet over it. It's their body, if they want to paint it up, let em.
HOWEVER.
As I said before, the Suicide Girls are no longer attractive to me, too much ink. I rarely see one I think is good looking, and it's because of the tattoos. I'm very outspoken about that. To me it makes me think "dirty" for some reason, and not the good dirty.
As I said before, the Suicide Girls are no longer attractive to me, too much ink. I rarely see one I think is good looking, and it's because of the tattoos. I'm very outspoken about that. To me it makes me think "dirty" for some reason, and not the good dirty.
Whats peoples thoughts on branding? I would rather get that done than a tattoo.
Once again, just another example of people doing stupid things, but as some here have stated, "You have the right." I say, "Just because you have the right does it make good sense?"
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Jul 23rd, 2012
Scottzilla79 Member
Posts: 2573 From: Chicago, IL Registered: Oct 2009
I think when I was a kid, in the 80s, tattoos were mysterious and a little scary. You know, only badass outlaws or vets had em. Not so anymore. Now they make me think that the wearer is very weak. Because they are just like anything else hijacked by the mainstream. They used to have a story behind them, like the original pacific islanders, or even sailors who got them after crossing the equator or something even membership in a biker gang. Now the story is almost always, "Oh I got really drunk and..." For the most part, they are now just a fashion accessory. Men who accessorize are not usually all that badass, IMHO. The tribal and asian character tatoos, well those make me pity the wearer. They have no identity of their own. They might as well be running around in a spiderman costume.
I think when I was a kid, in the 80s, tattoos were mysterious and a little scary. You know, only badass outlaws or vets had em. Not so anymore. Now they make me think that the wearer is very weak. Because they are just like anything else hijacked by the mainstream. They used to have a story behind them, like the original pacific islanders, or even sailors who got them after crossing the equator or something even membership in a biker gang. Now the story is almost always, "Oh I got really drunk and..." For the most part, they are now just a fashion accessory. Men who accessorize are not usually all that badass, IMHO. The tribal and asian character tatoos, well those make me pity the wearer. They have no identity of their own. They might as well be running around in a spiderman costume.
Sometimes people get them just because it will look cool and they think it's badass. That's fine, but I don't do that kind. Most times it is NOT anything to do with looking cool for others. Maybe they just like it, but it's not some "mainstream drunk mark". If the wearer got Chinese tattoos in China, would that make for a better story?
Some ink is just awesome ink too. You just look at them and think "Someone did a great job on you."
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Aug 24th, 2012
madcurl Member
Posts: 21401 From: In a Van down by the Kern River Registered: Jul 2003
When a cluster of skin infections in upstate New York last fall led back to one tattoo artist, local public health officials took the usual step of investigating the artist's hygiene practices. They found that all of his equipment and methods were sanitary, but the nationally distributed ink he had been using, even in unopened bottles, wasn't.
Soon, similar investigations in Colorado, Washington and Iowa turned up harmful strains of bacteria in three other brands of ink. At least 22 skin infections across the four states were linked to contaminated ink, according to research reported Wednesday (Aug. 22) in the New England Journal of Medicine.
The offending pathogen in the New York outbreak was identified as Mycobacterium chelonae, a relative of the bacteria behind tuberculosis and leprosy that is commonly found in tap water. Though M. chelonae is usually harmless to people with normal immune systems, when it's escorted beneath the skin by a tattoo needle, it can cause a painful rash that can last for months, requiring strong antibiotic regimens and sometimes surgery to eradicate.
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), past tattoo-related Mycobacterium infections likely arose from the use of unsterile water as a diluting agent in ink. And because the ink that caused the New York outbreak was "gray wash," pre-diluted black ink used for shading, the CDC has speculated that its manufacturer may not have been using sterile water.
So should Americans, one of five of whom now reportedly sport indelible ink, be afraid to get a new tat? Is there any way to be sure that a given manufacturer's tattoo ink is sterile?
The answer to the second question is a definite no. Currently, there is no FDA regulation requiring that tattoo inks be sterile, so a consumer only has a company's or an artist's assurance to go on. It is also worth noting that although a number of the color pigments used in tattoo ink have been approved by the FDA for use in cosmetics, not a single one has ever been approved for injection into the skin. [Are Tattoos Risky?]
Because reporting is voluntary, there is not good data on how often tattoo-related skin infections occur, but if one decides to play the odds and join the millions of Americans who are already inked, there are a few precautionary steps that he or she can take to decrease the chances of an infection.
Along with watch-dogging artists during tattooings to ensure that they use sterile water for dilution and cleaning, the CDC recommends that a consumer only use tattoo parlors registered by local jurisdictions and request inks that are manufactured specifically for tattoos. If an infection does occur, the CDC advises seeking medical advice and notifying the tattoo artist as well as the FDA's Medwatch program.
You're still talking about comic books? Let it go bud for you're the only person here ranting about comic book art and trying to attach it here. Your weak analogy hold no weight.
