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When Chinese Calligraphy Tattoos Go Wrong by Doug85GT
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I have been going through this blog and it just cracks me up. I know a few people with Chinese calligraphy tattoos. I hope theirs are not incorrect like the unfortunate owners of the ones posted on this blog.

In a way, this is the American equivalent of Engrish. I wonder if it is cool to get English tattoos in China?

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Unless your a pirate, slave, stupid gang, or a animal IMHO the whole idea of having tattoes is just plain silly. I've seen tribal tattoes on Whites and you know the closest they've come to any tribe is from viewing a history book. As for Blacks..please! That is plain stupid and for you can't even see the colors. As for the all others like the "tramp stamp" that just goes on to show how silly some people jump on the band wagon and think it's cool. Not!
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Originally posted by madcurl:

Unless your a pirate, slave, stupid gang, or a animal IMHO the whole idea of having tattoes is just plain silly. I've seen tribal tattoes on Whites and you know the closest they've come to any tribe is from viewing a history book. As for Blacks..please! That is plain stupid and for you can't even see the colors. As for the all others like the "tramp stamp" that just goes on to show how silly some people jump on the band wagon and think it's cool. Not!


In one paragraph, you've managed to post enough content to offend many on this forum.
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I like tattoos on other people because it makes non-tattooed people seem special nowadays
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I think all of those tattoos say the same thing: We saw you coming!
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In one paragraph, you've managed to post enough content to offend many on this forum.


If you're White and runnning around wearing Chinese Calligraphy or tribal tattoos, but can't read a lick of Chiness or in a tribe-then you tell me what is stupid. As for Blacks it's double stupid. You can't see it and they too have been sporting the same as Whites. Given the outcome of their actions in years the tatooe now is faded, can't get a serious job, and/or wife is pissing because she see's a formal girl friends name across the now beer belly is seriously stupid. Add the cost of removing such nonsense is silly.

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Unless you're a pirate,

we ALL be pirates! ARRRRR!
tattoos always remind me of the camps.

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Unless your a pirate, slave, stupid gang, or a animal IMHO the whole idea of having tattoes is just plain silly. I've seen tribal tattoes on Whites and you know the closest they've come to any tribe is from viewing a history book. As for Blacks..please! That is plain stupid and for you can't even see the colors. As for the all others like the "tramp stamp" that just goes on to show how silly some people jump on the band wagon and think it's cool. Not!


Did you ever stop and think that a Tattoo may have more meaning to someone than just skin art? Its not just skin deep for a lot of people. I have a few black friends that have tattoos, the newer tattoos are very visible. One of my Friends was in the military and he has strong opinions of his tattoos, I wouldn't suggest you call him stupid. Just friendly advice.

Just because you don't like something doesn't mean you should tear it down, there is having an opinion and there is just being mean and stupid.

I do agree you should know what something means before you get it put on your skin but for every bad tattoo there are good ones out there.
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Originally posted by madcurl:

If you're White and runnning around wearing Chinese Calligraphy or tribal tattoos, but can't read a lick of Chiness or in a tribe-then you tell me what is stupid. As for Blacks it's double stupid. You can't see it and they too have been sporting the same as Whites. Given the outcome of their actions in years the tatooe now is faded, can't get a serious job, and/or wife is pissing because she see's a formal girl friends name across the now beer belly is seriously stupid. Add the cost of removing such nonsense is silly.



Yup... I pretty much agree with you here. As you said in your first post... I too give pass to people who have a real... how can I say, feeling for the tattoo... IE: they were in the Marines, Navy Seals, blah blah... whatever. I mean... people can do whatever they want, but like you... when I see a preppy white kid with a tribal tattoo... I really just want to palm my face.

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tattoos always remind me of the camps.



Me too.

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TATS are cool, if you have 1 or 2 as those have(most times) a deeper meaning to that person..
most people get them because they like the art or to follow the group they hang with..
ARMY tats, are gang tats.. they will get you killed in the wrong places in the world..
navy tats go even deeper..
to women the tramp stamp is jewelery to them. nothing more..
today to many way way over do it with tats.. and thats their choice.. but don't cry when no one will hire you . because you look like you just did 30 years hard time..
I don't have any.. some are very well done.. and a few well thought out ones.. are better than the stupid sleaves people have now..
I don't have to like it.. only they do.. dark skin tats look like dirt..
if I had the time, and money and a good enough artist I'd have one done.. one would be enough..
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Originally posted by madcurl:

Unless your a pirate, slave, stupid gang, or a animal IMHO the whole idea of having tattoes is just plain silly. I've seen tribal tattoes on Whites and you know the closest they've come to any tribe is from viewing a history book. As for Blacks..please! That is plain stupid and for you can't even see the colors. As for the all others like the "tramp stamp" that just goes on to show how silly some people jump on the band wagon and think it's cool. Not!


Odd, i saw a small flower on a girls shoulder today and don't think she was in any of those 'groups' you listed. Another had several on both arms, and legs, all involving plants and other colorful abstract art. Oh, and i have one too, that you would never know about unless i told you, and i don't fall into those groups either ( well, unless you want to call me a music/software pirate ... arrrgh matey )

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If you're White and runnning around wearing Chinese Calligraphy or tribal tattoos, but can't read a lick of Chiness or in a tribe-then you tell me what is stupid. As for Blacks it's double stupid. You can't see it and they too have been sporting the same as Whites. Given the outcome of their actions in years the tatooe now is faded, can't get a serious job, and/or wife is pissing because she see's a formal girl friends name across the now beer belly is seriously stupid. Add the cost of removing such nonsense is silly.



Black girl at work has a couple, that you can see quite clearly.

And really there is a lot more than tribal or Chinese writing ... But yes, one can be silly about it too, but that doesn't mean by default a tattoo is stupid, its their body to do with as they please. Just because you disapprove doesn't mean its 'stupid'. Just means its not for you.
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Originally posted by madcurl:

Unless your a pirate, slave, stupid gang, or a animal IMHO the whole idea of having tattoes is just plain silly. I've seen tribal tattoes on Whites and you know the closest they've come to any tribe is from viewing a history book. As for Blacks..please! That is plain stupid and for you can't even see the colors. As for the all others like the "tramp stamp" that just goes on to show how silly some people jump on the band wagon and think it's cool. Not!

I got my tattoo because sailors are supposed to have tattoos.

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I have a few black friends that have tattoos, the newer tattoos are very visible.




What like, Kobe Bryant? All that money and his tattoo’s looks like the parlor down the street did it. This dude waltzes up and down on the basketball court with dozens of tattoo’s and acts like he was born and raised in the hood. Everybody knows darn well this guy was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. So who is he trying to fool? Look at Shaq. Supermen on the arm, come on! If your Black and are from Africa, or somewhere in the Caribbean and from a tribe-you might have a legit reason. Otherwise, you just got out of prison.

For Whites it's simple. If your name is Chuck Norris, David Carradian, Mrs. Bruce Lee, or a Pirate-you might get a pass for we all know what you do for a living, but for the guy driving the UPS truck, the dude at the local video store, or the girl who took a dare and was drunk-NO.

And one last thought. If you don't have the money remove the tattoos(s) then maybe you better get the rub on art in parades. At least that can be removed after a drunken bout.

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I got my tattoo because sailors are supposed to have tattoos.


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Black girl at work has a couple, that you can see quite clearly.

And really there is a lot more than tribal or Chinese writing ... But yes, one can be silly about it too, but that doesn't mean by default a tattoo is stupid, its their body to do with as they please. Just because you disapprove doesn't mean its 'stupid'. Just means its not for you.

This reminds of the episode called, "The Big Bang Theory" where a couple of nerds wanted to go "Goth" so they wore fake tattoos sleeves to hit on some chicks.


As for tattoos, in most state you must be 17 and there's a reason for this-stupidity. After 18 and you want to mark yourself all over with tattoos from head to toe. Expect only jobs at the local video or music store.

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Originally posted by Doug85GT:
In a way, this is the American equivalent of Engrish. I wonder if it is cool to get English tattoos in China?

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Of the thousands and thousands of girls I have seen there, maybe two had a visible tattoo, have heard that many will have butterflies, flowers and such well hidden.
Never noticed any on the guys, too busy checking out the chicks!

The Chinese would have bigger problems with English tattoos than we have with Chinese.
Seen tons of shirts with English writing on them that make absolutely no sense what so ever.
Saw a clothing line for preteen girls called "The 69 Collection", it was embroidered on each article of clothing.
My favorite company there is called Perfec, and saw some packs of those little green solders in a toy store labeled "US Mary Men".

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the guy driving the UPS truck, the dude at the local video store, or the girl who took a dare and was drunk-NO.



Hey! You're describing exactly the type of people who make up my client base!

You have some funny ideas about the "whys" of ordinary people getting tatttooed. Trend tattoos aside, there are some really good pieces out there. I was going to blow 20-30 minutes of my time shagging down pics of some of the best skin art I know of and then i said "Ah... its just some guy on the internet with an opinion.. what else is new?" So I won't bother. (That and I can think of no better way to ruin the buzz I have right now..) Needless to say, if you wanna see some good stuff, just google "Portrait Tattoos" and hang on to your hats. And those, not a one, will ever have to be laser removed, i guarantee it.
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just google "Portrait Tattoos" and hang on to your hats. And those, not a one, will ever have to be laser removed, i guarantee it.


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I don't have as strong of a negative opinion as some, but I do think they should raise the legal age for getting tattoos to 30.

There was an article some time ago about a Chinese tattoo artist who would intentionally write something nasty when people came in to get words in Chinese, he went to jail I'm pretty sure.
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Originally posted by madcurl:

This reminds of the episode called, "The Big Bang Theory" where a couple of nerds wanted to go "Goth" so they wore fake tattoos sleeves to hit on some chicks.


As for tattoos, in most state you must be 17 and there's a reason for this-stupidity. After 18 and you want to mark yourself all over with tattoos from head to toe. Expect only jobs at the local video or music store.



I don't work in a music store.
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I don't have as strong of a negative opinion as some, but I do think they should raise the legal age for getting tattoos to 30.

There was an article some time ago about a Chinese tattoo artist who would intentionally write something nasty when people came in to get words in Chinese, he went to jail I'm pretty sure.


18 is an adult. If we do that, then we should raise the drinking age too. and voting. Oh, and force you to live with your parents as you are a sniveling baby?

( i also would propose to lower anything else 'adult' to 18. or raise it all to 21.. pr in the middle at 20... whatever the age is chosen it should all be the same )

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Originally posted by Doug85GT:

I have been going through this blog and it just cracks me up. I know a few people with Chinese calligraphy tattoos. I hope theirs are not incorrect like the unfortunate owners of the ones posted on this blog.

In a way, this is the American equivalent of Engrish. I wonder if it is cool to get English tattoos in China?

http://hanzismatter.blogspot.com/


LOL!

That blog reminds me of the young mother I saw in Japan with a "NURSE F***ER" t-shirt on.
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...can't get a serious job...



I work in the central headquarters for the financial branch of one of the largest automotive companies in the world: Volkswagen. We house VW Credit, Audi Financial, Porsche Financial, Bentley Financial, et cetera. We have many employees here, men and women, in roles from customer care reps up to Various IT project leads and directors, who show tattoos visibly. We even have a couple managers with full sleeves, who don't catch hell for wearing t-shirts on casual days (one of them is a really lame tribal deal). We've got a credit supervisor who wears very nice skirts daily revealing her tattoos on her legs. These are all people who hold professional jobs at a very reputable, successful company, and they happen to have art done on their bodies. I think you'll find that this is 2012 and the majority of the civilized world is moving away from being as narrow-minded and arrogant as you.
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18 is an adult. If we do that, then we should raise the drinking age too. and voting. Oh, and force you to live with your parents as you are a sniveling baby?

( i also would propose to lower anything else 'adult' to 18. or raise it all to 21.. pr in the middle at 20... whatever the age is chosen it should all be the same )



You might have missed the semi-sarcastic tone in my voice when I typed that out. The point being that even though they may be adults, at 18 and even older, "kids" are still pretty stupid, and do impulsive things, like get ridiculous tats that they have to live with for the rest of their lives. After 30 *most* people can appreciate the long-term consequences of some decisions, like tattoos. I was 35 when I got my first tat.
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I work in the central headquarters for the financial branch of one of the largest automotive companies in the world: Volkswagen. We house VW Credit, Audi Financial, Porsche Financial, Bentley Financial, et cetera. We have many employees here, men and women, in roles from customer care reps up to Various IT project leads and directors, who show tattoos visibly. We even have a couple managers with full sleeves, who don't catch hell for wearing t-shirts on casual days (one of them is a really lame tribal deal). We've got a credit supervisor who wears very nice skirts daily revealing her tattoos on her legs. These are all people who hold professional jobs at a very reputable, successful company, and they happen to have art done on their bodies. I think you'll find that this is 2012 and the majority of the civilized world is moving away from being as narrow-minded and arrogant as you.



have to ask... how many see customers face to face.. or is it all email/phone interaction..
in other words would vw hire them as sales team on the showroom floor.. at vw porshe or audi.. as I know it never happen at a bentley showroom..

I have no issue with tats, but your customer base may.. so I'll bet that all brands other than maybe vw would shy away from a heavy tated up employee at the retail level..
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You might have missed the semi-sarcastic tone in my voice when I typed that out.


Oh, sorry. We really need sarcasm tags around here
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I have no issue with tats, but your customer base may.. .


As long as they weren't gang related or offensive in nature it wouldn't effect my purchase in either direction, or my opinion on the company in the slightest. And even if they were of 'questionable origin', if the sales guy was polite, knowledgeable and helpful, it may not matter then either. I'm not there to be best buddies with the guy, i'm there to buy a product and move on.

Besides, id venture to say that with a vast majority of tattoo owners you will never even know. As they aren't there for you, they are for themselves. Not all of course, as some do have the 'hey, look at me' thing going on.

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I've found tattoos to be quite useful when watching American Pickers, whereas you can tell right away how old the rerun is by how much more of her body she's had inked. Too bad too, while she's not a real hottie she wasn't that bad looking before she became someone's canvas.

Ah show me a gal with a great face and body, a smoke in her mouth and lot tattoos and.... well I best not offend too many.
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I've found tattoos to be quite useful when watching American Pickers, whereas you can tell right away how old the rerun is by how much more of her body she's had inked. Too bad too, while she's not a real hottie she wasn't that bad looking before she became someone's canvas.

Ah show me a gal with a great face and body, a smoke in her mouth and lot tattoos and.... well I best not offend too many.


I don't think it has detracted from her appearance at all. I think in her case it 'fits'.
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As long as they weren't gang related or offensive in nature it wouldn't effect my purchase in either direction, or my opinion on the company in the slightest. And even if they were of 'questionable origin', if the sales guy was polite, knowledgeable and helpful, it may not matter then either. I'm not there to be best buddies with the guy, i'm there to buy a product and move on.

Besides, id venture to say that with a vast majority of tattoo owners you will never even know. As they aren't there for you, they are for themselves. Not all of course, as some do have the 'hey, look at me' thing going on.




me to..
but my mother would walk out.. and Iknow alot of 50+ that would either walk or find another employee..
I judge their knowledge of the product.. but I'm also not a proper rich(snob) that audi and porche have walk through their doors..
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me to..
but my mother would walk out.. and Iknow alot of 50+ that would either walk or find another employee..
I judge their knowledge of the product.. but I'm also not a proper rich(snob) that audi and porche have walk through their doors..


My mom wouldn't care either ( and shes over 50 )
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Oh, sorry. We really need sarcasm tags around here


Pfft, I would have thought you would be one of the few to have figured me out by now. If I type something, you can be pretty sure it's sarcastic.
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Pfft, I would have thought you would be one of the few to have figured me out by now. If I type something, you can be pretty sure it's sarcastic.


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I think you'll find that this is 2012 and the majority of the civilized world is moving away from being as narrow-minded and arrogant as you.


I'm sure your armed "bared wire" tattoo represents the White tribal gang that lives in the suburbs.
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I'm sure your armed "bared wire" tattoo represents the White tribal gang that lives in the suburbs.


Misconception: Tattoos have to mean something.

I know plenty of people that like pretty pictures and want to adorn themselves with such pretty pictures. Think of them as "skin-modders".. maybe thats a term that is easier for you to understand since you do so many mods on your cars. They are changing themselves to be more appealing to their eye.. thus thats the only true meaning a tattoo should have is that it is something the wearer likes. They are not getting it for your approval.

I have a habit of getting joke tattoos.. the only reason is I get a good chuckle from people who see them. I have a skull on the inside of my arm with a dagger going through its eye. I really liked the design, but it had a banner that said "Death before dishonor".. well, i am not a marine and so I changed the words to "Ouch my Eye!" Next will be a rooster on a noos on my lower leg so I can have a **** that hangs below my knees.

None of this stuff means a whole lot to me so I am having fun. If you don't see the reason why people would get tattoos that is just becase they are not for you... but that does not really give you a license to be snarky about the choices of others. Unless, of course, they get a poorly executed tattoo, then by all means..

Of course it is with respect that I tell you these things, I am sure you have formed your opinion based on the countless samples of people with terrible scratcher tattoos out there. Much like with anything else, sometimes people look at cost over quality, and sadly that has left a legacy of bad tattoos in this land. But not all of them, or the people who wear them, go for the cheapest hack they can find. Just the stupid ones. I encourage you to take a closer look, you may see some incredible stuff. Real art.
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Misconception: Tattoos have to mean something.



I've always wanted this


I guess it means I'm not afraid of clowns..

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Misconception: Tattoos have to mean something.



Oh really?


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