------------------ "The Devil and his angels work together like a military system. I dealt with one of his generals.
The only humans he has interest in are the ones getting close to God. The rest of the world is ****ed and he knows he already owns their asses.
If you want an encounter with the supernatural realm, try to know God. You'll get Satan's attention. Trust me." -Unknown
"I AM A SATANIST! BOW DOWN, FOR I AM THE HIGHEST EMBODIMENT OF HUMAN LIFE!"
"Nietzche is dead." - God.
In order regarding the others:
So, Darth Vader instead of the Emperor? Pelosi instead of Obama? The "leader" is not an equal to the "Leader" of the "other" side. Lucifer =/= God. Lucifer = Michael, more or less. Servants, not Served.
The second and third say, essentially, the same thing. Satan doesn't care if you're a Satanist, an Atheist, a Bhuddist, a Humanist, whatever. He cares if you get closer to finding the Way, the Truth and the Life.
Gen 3:4-5: Oldest lie in the book, "You shall become like God...."
XB, if I read you correctly, better people than me have tried to convert you. Fine. I've read the last chapters of the Book, and it's not good, at least for those not in the Light. Good luck with that.
EDIT: I own page two! Not that I should covet that at all....
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If you want to believe in the dark powers that be, than so be it,that's your business. When I am lying on my death bed, I will be glad to know that I did not think like you by denying our Creator and praising Satan. I think you should be careful and re-think your position...There is no truth,wisdom or knowledge on the road your on, but only deceit, lies and destruction. I am not trying to convert you,it's just I believe in the exact opposite of what you believe in.
I am not a hypocrite, I openly admit that I have worldly desires and I have made many mistakes in my life. I am still making mistakes every day. Maybe your making one too.
I don't expect this thread to go well, and I very much expect that it will end in the trash can. And I don't necessarily expect any replies, nor do I want them. I don't really care to read the opinions of most of you on the subjects I am posting about. Most of you, your opinions really hold no value over my life and my thoughts, so why should I care.
That said, this thread is more of a reflective look at everyday life through my eyes. Mainly regarding social norms that I believe to be useless anymore, among other things. I will warn you now, if you are sensitive to blasphemy, you will want to leave this thread and forget it exists. This thread also will serve as a social experiment of sorts. So I suggest you walk away now if you are faint of heart, spirit, weak of will, ad nauseum. I take no responsibility for your actions from here on out.
Edit: Note that I will continue posting in this thread as time warrants and as subjects come to mind. Some topics may be a rehash of already in print subjects as I see them through my eyes. This is a thread about me. Don't like it? Tough bollocks. I will continue posting either way, until either I cannot continue with topics, or the thread dies.
You have been warned.
Now, on to the blasphemy and the sensory assault!
People amuse me. Their actions when compared to body language usually don't correspond. I find it amusing to watch these people, to study them. To figure out what makes them tick. By analyzing these people, I have found that I am able to grow upon my ability to use lesser magic techniques to further my agenda, whatever that may be at the current moment in time. When these same people start talking about how much "God" loves me, or how I will live in an intangible paradise after I die, et al., I have to smile and chuckle to myself as I walk away, knowing what I know. Or when they talk about sinning against the "Almighty Lawd!" and going to Hell, then walk away and do exactly what it is that they were telling me was a sin, that I shouldn't do because I'll die and roast in a fiery pit...Quite contradictory to your beliefs there, eh Mr(s). Hypocrite? And you say I should bow down before this "Almighty Lawd!" of yours? GTFO of here with that BS. I bow before no man. And hey, at least its warm in this fiery pit of yours.
As Nietzche so quaintly put it, "God is dead". Why cling to outdated dogma and practices that NO LONGER WORK?
To be continued....
What if I said, that the Lord hated you?
Psalm 5:5 (English Standard Version)
5The(A) boastful shall not(B) stand before your eyes; you(C) hate all evildoers.
Now, granted the idea of "hate" is more of a "less" love rather than a wicked kind of hate that humans do.
But seriously... I do know that the Bible does say that unbelievers, really, hate God.
But why? just repent and bow the knee by trusting in Jesus finished work on the cross for you. If not, well, plain and simple God will judge you one day, and it won't end nicely. Even your dark lord, Satan, will be judged and damned as well, so, obviously he isn't one to be followed... I don't say this in a hypocritical way... the Lord has given Christians the mandate to evangelize, and thus I'm doing with you... just trying to use reason as well. Nevertheless, I'm not joking, turn or burn as they say.
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Posts: 12355 From: salisbury nc usa Registered: Feb 2002
i read mr lavey's book in 1970 and found it an interesting counterpart to the religion courses offered in my church-run high school. there is some merit in his observations, just as there is some merit in buddhism, taoism, secular humanism, judaism, islam, ba'hai, wicca, zoroastrianism and christianity in its manifold variations.
Mr lavey, iirc, basically said that the mainstream religion was an exercise in social control, concerted by what he called "psychic vampires", guilt-tripping us into "good" behavior. "good" being defined by the so-called vampires.
the thing that immediately struck me was the interdependence of the two ideologies. while both of them distort and misrepresent the other, they define themselves in terms of each other, both parts of a duality. without satan, god's behavior becomes inexplicable, and without god, satan becomes irrelevant. so to believe in either, it becomes necessary to believe in both. good cop, bad cop. god and satan work together and which one is in charge depends on which one you ask.
the next question that occurred to me was this: "what changes if this duality exists only as a metaphor, a useful fiction?" and the answer *for me* was: nothing. nothing changes. the sun rises, the birds sing, people love and kill, are born and die, and the sun sets. whether the duality is real or not. the duality is not necessary, taken literally it clarifies nothing, and there is still plenty of mystery and wonder in the universe. enjoy.
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i read mr lavey's book in 1970 and found it an interesting counterpart to the religion courses offered in my church-run high school. there is some merit in his observations, just as there is some merit in buddhism, taoism, secular humanism, judaism, islam, ba'hai, wicca, zoroastrianism and christianity in it's manifold variations.
Mr lavey, iirc, basically said that the mainstream religion was an exercise in social control, concerted by what he called "psychic vampires", guilt-tripping us into "good" behavior. "good" being defined by the so-called vampires.
the thing that immediately struck me was the interdependence of the two ideologies. while both of them distort and misrepresent the other, they define themselves in terms of each other, both parts of a duality. without satan, god's behavior becomes inexplicable, and without god, satan becomes irrelevant. so to believe in either, it becomes necessary to believe in both. good cop, bad cop. god and satan work together and which one is in charge depends on which one you ask.
the next question that occurred to me was this: "what changes if this duality exists only as a metaphor, a useful fiction?" and the answer *for me* was: nothing. nothing changes. the sun rises, the birds sing, people love and kill, are born and die, and the sun sets. whether the duality is real or not. the duality is not necessary, taken literally it clarifies nothing, and there is still plenty of mystery and wonder in the universe. enjoy.
"Now that's what I call thinking. Why can't we come up with stuff like that?" "Perhaps our minds are TOO highly trained, Majikthise ."
(Spelling corrected, thanks Patrick'sDad)
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Posts: 12355 From: salisbury nc usa Registered: Feb 2002
Originally posted by tbone42: "Now that's what I call thinking. Why can't we come up with stuff like that?" "Perhaps our minds are TOO highly trained, Magic Thighs."
huh? pop culture reference? i'm kind of afraid to google "Magic Thighs".
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Pyrthian Member
Posts: 29569 From: Detroit, MI Registered: Jul 2002
the thing that immediately struck me was the interdependence of the two ideologies. while both of them distort and misrepresent the other, they define themselves in terms of each other, both parts of a duality. without satan, god's behavior becomes inexplicable, and without god, satan becomes irrelevant. so to believe in either, it becomes necessary to believe in both. good cop, bad cop. god and satan work together and which one is in charge depends on which one you ask.
I don't think that God is inexplicable without Satan, or that God needs Satan around in order to be understood. Or that there is any confusion about who is "in charge". Which creates? Which corrupts? Look at reality; who's instruction (when followed) actually works? Deciding it is too difficult to try and follow good instructions is not strength. Sure mankind will twist things to use them to gain power in this world, even good things.
XB you describe hypocrites, describe their failings. What would happen if you focused on the actions that were not hypocritical? Focused on the ultimate example, Jesus. Something that is missed in all this is forgiveness, sins can be forgiven by God.
"Therefore, my brothers, I want you to know that through Jesus the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you. Through him everyone who believes is justified from everything you could not be justified from by the law of Moses." -Acts 13:38-39
“The word “forgive” means to wipe the slate clean, to pardon, to cancel a debt. When we wrong someone, we seek their forgiveness in order for the relationship to be restored. Forgiveness is not granted because a person deserves to be forgiven. No one deserves to be forgiven. Forgiveness is an act of love, mercy, and grace. Forgiveness is a decision to not hold something against another person, despite what they have done to you.” http://www.gotquestions.org...om_query=forgiveness The link above clarifies things even more.
Satanism is about rebelling against authority. Satan is a symbol of that. Saying I will do what I will do and the consequences I welcome. Satan himself knows the consequences and desires to take as many down with him as possible. XB is this thread venting, or is it justification?
I don't expect this thread to go well, and I very much expect that it will end in the trash can. And I don't necessarily expect any replies, nor do I want them. I don't really care to read the opinions of most of you on the subjects I am posting about. Most of you, your opinions really hold no value over my life and my thoughts, so why should I care.
That said, this thread is more of a reflective look at everyday life through my eyes. Mainly regarding social norms that I believe to be useless anymore, among other things. I will warn you now, if you are sensitive to blasphemy, you will want to leave this thread and forget it exists. This thread also will serve as a social experiment of sorts. So I suggest you walk away now if you are faint of heart, spirit, weak of will, ad nauseum. I take no responsibility for your actions from here on out.
Edit: Note that I will continue posting in this thread as time warrants and as subjects come to mind. Some topics may be a rehash of already in print subjects as I see them through my eyes. This is a thread about me. Don't like it? Tough bollocks. I will continue posting either way, until either I cannot continue with topics, or the thread dies.
You have been warned.
Now, on to the blasphemy and the sensory assault!
People amuse me. Their actions when compared to body language usually don't correspond. I find it amusing to watch these people, to study them. To figure out what makes them tick. By analyzing these people, I have found that I am able to grow upon my ability to use lesser magic techniques to further my agenda, whatever that may be at the current moment in time. When these same people start talking about how much "God" loves me, or how I will live in an intangible paradise after I die, et al., I have to smile and chuckle to myself as I walk away, knowing what I know. Or when they talk about sinning against the "Almighty Lawd!" and going to Hell, then walk away and do exactly what it is that they were telling me was a sin, that I shouldn't do because I'll die and roast in a fiery pit...Quite contradictory to your beliefs there, eh Mr(s). Hypocrite? And you say I should bow down before this "Almighty Lawd!" of yours? GTFO of here with that BS. I bow before no man. And hey, at least its warm in this fiery pit of yours.
As Nietzche so quaintly put it, "God is dead". Why cling to outdated dogma and practices that NO LONGER WORK?
To be continued....
Are you going to continue, and answere any of us or is this just another BSHT thread from you?
Maybe that sounds self serving, but I imagine Satanism is as well.
Ultimately when you get down to the nuts and bolts, all religions are self serving. People do things to appease their god so they get double prizes when they die ( or cool stuff while living.. ). Myself, since i have no 'higher power' to suck up to, when i do something 'for the good', its just beacuse its right thing to do, not beacuse i think ill get some cool reward out of it at some future date. Only thing driving my moral boat is myself and what i feel is right and wrong.
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Hulki U. My-BFF Member
Posts: 5949 From: Back home in East Berlin, PA Registered: Apr 2008
Can I be Satanic too? Do I have to wear guyliner, a trench coat, and cut my wrists? Do I need fangs? Do I need to bark at cars? How many pentagrams do I need to display to be a full-fledged Satanic? Can I still own a Fiero, as long as it is black? Can I still listen to Christmas music? Inquiring minds want to know. I think I can actually do this.
You do not need to respond to this post, as I don't care what you think anyway. If this is offensive, it is suggested that you leave this post immediately.
EDIT: Almost forgot....YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED
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Can I be Satanic too? Do I have to wear guyliner, a trench coat, and cut my wrists? Do I need fangs? Do I need to bark at cars? How many pentagrams do I need to display to be a full-fledged Satanic? Can I still own a Fiero, as long as it is black? Can I still listen to Christmas music? Inquiring minds want to know. I think I can actually do this.
You do not need to respond to this post, as I don't care what you think anyway. If this is offensive, it is suggested that you leave this post immediately.
EDIT: Almost forgot....YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED
Or, go see how long you can hold your bare hands in an open fire.
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Hulki U. My-BFF Member
Posts: 5949 From: Back home in East Berlin, PA Registered: Apr 2008
Ultimately when you get down to the nuts and bolts, all religions are self serving. People do things to appease their god so they get double prizes when they die ( or cool stuff while living.. ). Myself, since i have no 'higher power' to suck up to, when i do something 'for the good', its just beacuse its right thing to do, not beacuse i think ill get some cool reward out of it at some future date. Only thing driving my moral boat is myself and what i feel is right and wrong.
I have often done things in the past to give myself personal Kudos.. and I still do. Nothing wrong with being right for right's sake. I find being morally responsible is not only in the best interests of humanity, but to God as well. (Bonus!) I asked a co-worker one time if he ever made a decision he regrets. He said no. I said "I don't remember too many decisions that I don't." Of course, I was laughed at but I was dead serious.
One of these days, I am going to get it right and God will say "Finally! Now, lets move onto the next challenge. Coffee addiction."
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Ultimately when you get down to the nuts and bolts, all religions are self serving. People do things to appease their god so they get double prizes when they die ( or cool stuff while living.. ). Myself, since i have no 'higher power' to suck up to, when i do something 'for the good', its just beacuse its right thing to do, not beacuse i think ill get some cool reward out of it at some future date. Only thing driving my moral boat is myself and what i feel is right and wrong.
There are times when I forget who I am and just start living for myself... but I will say--honestly--that Christianity is not self-serving. If someone believes in God purely to gain access for Heaven for himself... well I'm not sure sure the gates are gonna open for him.
Christianity is about living for God simply because we have found His Love. It's not a "IF YOU SIN YOU DIE" thing, it's not "We're better than you, and we know it" thing, no.... it's more "WOW, God is freaking awesome. I'm going to give everything I can to Him... because I WANT to".
It's not self-serving. It's realizing everything that God did for us... shaping how we live because of that.
XB, I would like you to read this reply as well. There is nothing hypocritical about true Christianity. Yes, there are hypocrites, but the people telling you that if you don't follow these rules you'll burn in Hell, really missed the picture. I'm betting it's more that you misunderstood, but that's not all your fault. It really stinks sometimes when because I'm a Christian, people expect more out of me. I'm still a human. I WANT to do everything right and live by God, but I slip up. Doesn't make me a hypocrite though... because I've never said I was above anyone else.
Yes, I know I'm biting your bait here... we're all just gonna try and save you blah blah... but it's important. If I see someone, and TRULY BELIEVE that they are going to go to Hell after death.... I'm going to do everything in my power to save them from that horrible eternity.
Patrick, no idea who that is. I will say this, I want to go to heaven. I try not to be overbearing or offensive, and I usually only mention anything of a religious nature when thats what the conversation is about. I believe what I believe with no apologies, just as anyone here does.
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Patrick Member
Posts: 38888 From: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Registered: Apr 99
The oldtimers at PFF know who Ken Wittlief was. He got really tiresome here with his constant preaching.
Jesus asked for witnesses, and all he got was lawyers.
I remember Ken. Yeah, he could be annoying, but he also brought an interesting insight. I remember him posting an article about a Christian speaking in favor of Wicca, based on the Bible. Of course, many would disagree with those interpretations, but it was an interesting read.
Can I be Satanic too? Do I have to wear guyliner, a trench coat, and cut my wrists? Do I need fangs? Do I need to bark at cars? How many pentagrams do I need to display to be a full-fledged Satanic? Can I still own a Fiero, as long as it is black? Can I still listen to Christmas music? Inquiring minds want to know. I think I can actually do this.
You do not need to respond to this post, as I don't care what you think anyway. If this is offensive, it is suggested that you leave this post immediately.
EDIT: Almost forgot....YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED
Judging by pics of Anton Lavey, the first requirement is the ability to squint like a circus magician for extended periods of time.
You also have to be willing to base your faith on a religion that was founded in 1966. What's really funny is that in doing a little research on Lavey, I found he dropped out of High School to join the circus, so I guess the side show scowl is appropriate.
Good to know that in a religious thread, talking about religion is an annoyance. Sorry Pat, won't do it again
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No worries Patrick, I said my piece. No need to worry about me being 'preachy' here form here on out. Officially leaving this thread now. Peace... Out!
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Good to know that in a religious thread, talking about religion is an annoyance.
Is it? Is this honestly a "religious thread"?
From the opening comments by the OP...
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Originally posted by Xerces_Blackthorne:
I don't necessarily expect any replies, nor do I want them. I don't really care to read the opinions of most of you on the subjects I am posting about. Most of you, your opinions really hold no value over my life and my thoughts, so why should I care.
That said, this thread is more of a reflective look at everyday life through my eyes.
