quote Originally posted by Uaana: Bill, sometimes I worry about you.. You'll let us know if you start writing a manifesto and start wearing sunglasses and a hoodie right?

Too late!


As for the "doing great" part. Yes, we are strong but I reiterate how concerned I am about the National Debt. Debt financing is good for a while but in the end it will lead to fiscal instability if we have a crisis that is catastropic enough. We have a very thin safety margin right now if we absorb another Katrina/Rita 1-2 punch. a major Caifornia Earthquake, for example, could crimple this country. Louisiana is a small economic contributor by comparison. If California slows down, we could be in serious trouble. So even though things are fine right now, I want a bigger safety net than we have.

I understand your concern Todd. but Katrina wasn't all that bad.. I know we've been deluged with endless pleas to help the "katrina survivors".. but the heavy tech/oil/industry rebuild/repaired/ or moved within 6 months.. Sorry sounds callus but nobody really cares about rebuilding slums and ghettos. Too many ppl got bit by bringing "refugees" into their homes only to find they had adopted welfare squatters.
That said.. worst hit we've taken was 9/11.. shut down all of our financial district for the better part of a week. With new redundancy.. not really an issue anymore.

and sorry.. not trying to step on too many toes.. but the World Trade Center droppped.. 2 massive buildings that employed close to 50k ppl. Both brought down along with numerous buildings along side.. Business was back in 2 days! I'm still hearing about "relief" for katrina victoms" Sorry.. you had a flood.. move the f on. Want sympathy.. why did you reelect an idiot like Nagin? He left you sitting there to die while 200 buses sat idle. Sorry.. i'm guessing most of you are too stupid to breed/live anyways.

http://money.excite.com/jsp...ews_id=ap-d8qme2i00&

U.S. Treasury Secretary Visits China



Sunday July 29, 2:48 PM EDT

BEIJING (AP) — For months, U.S. lawmakers have warned Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson that patience was wearing thin as his economic dialogue with China failed to produce breakthroughs on currency and other disputes.
Now, as he meets this week with Chinese leaders, Paulson faces new pressure in Congress, where legislators have proposed measures that would punish Beijing for manipulating its currency.
"The problem is, there is very little they can do in the immediate future that will make Congress happy," said Andy Rothman, a China strategist for investment bank CLSA.
Paulson is due to hold talks with President Hu Jintao and other officials on the "strategic economic dialogue" launched by the two governments last year to deal with tensions over China's swollen trade surplus and other issues. The secretary also is to meet with Vice Premier Wu Yi, who leads the Chinese side of the dialogue.

I wonder if this could have anything to do with it. Or is it just me who thinks they are flooding us with crap that is toxic, as well as built by prisoners, and child labor.

How can any country compete with this kind of BS. They allow trash products, illegal copies of our own products in the software area.

I just think we are looking at this Global Economy crap in the wrong way. If a country like China can manipulate their own money what chance does anyone have when trading with them.

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Technology is great when it works,
and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't.
Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.

quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: http://money.excite.com/jsp...ews_id=ap-d8qme2i00& U.S. Treasury Secretary Visits China  Sunday July 29, 2:48 PM EDT BEIJING (AP) —

John Birch sounds like a great idea.. but what is your alternative? Should the US only purchase US goods? can we compete / exist completely independant of the rest of the world?

quote Originally posted by Uaana: John Birch sounds like a great idea.. but what is your alternative? Should the US only purchase US goods? can we compete / exist completely independant of the rest of the world?

How about not allowing any imports from China.

Think they would get the idea?

Probably not. They are not allowing anything in, taxing what does go in and limiting American companies access, to their markets.

Why can’t we do that to them?

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Technology is great when it works,
and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't.
Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.

That's how our government was originally funded, the taxes on the people is the newcomer idea... shifted the cost of government from importers wanting to sell stuff here of onto the people.

quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: How about not allowing any imports from China. Think they would get the idea? Probably not. They are not allowing anything in, taxing what does go in and limiting American companies access, to their markets. Why can’t we do that to them?

Sounds good.. you're ok paying $2 more for everything right?

quote Originally posted by Uaana: You'll let us know if you start writing a manifesto and start wearing sunglasses and a hoodie right?

I did, it's called Old Glory.

quote Originally posted by Uaana: Sounds good.. you're ok paying $2 more for everything right?

If it will keep the crap, toxic, child labor, junk from China out of this country until they start following the rules the rest of the free world live by sure.

Why you think its OK for them to do what they are doing?

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Technology is great when it works,
and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't.
Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.

the easy way to know if the economy is good/bad is to compare the value of a US Dollar against other currency's.
a fine example is the canadien dollar. for a long time, the US dollar was worth a good amount more. suddenly - it is almost equal. either Canada shot up - or we dropped down. maybe both.

but, here in "motor city" - or - more accurately - "motor ghost town" - we've been dead for over 5 years now.

quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: I wonder if this could have anything to do with it. Or is it just me who thinks they are flooding us with crap that is toxic, as well as built by prisoners, and child labor. How can any country compete with this kind of BS. They allow trash products, illegal copies of our own products in the software area. I just think we are looking at this Global Economy crap in the wrong way. If a country like China can manipulate their own money what chance does anyone have when trading with them.

This is actually a great question!

In the short term, monetary policy can have an impact but it is unsustainable over the long term. In the end, productivity rules the nest and when the PEOPLE of China become too disillusioned with having to work 10 hour days for slave wages only to see the comsumers of their labors profit and thrive, they will rise-up! China has tried to stave off insurrection since the fall of Moscow opened their eyes. They can not compete in a global economy and keep pace with the west. Hence, they have learned that Communism can not work. However, unlike the chaotic transition Russia went through (and still is going through) China decided to take their medicine in small doses with a transistion to a market driven economy. This has made China LOOK stronger that it really is. When ever you open a new market the flood gates open and investment money pours in. Just like the Dot Coms of the 90s money is rolling in by the truck load. But in the end, these investments must see returns. As long as China can continue to supply a steady supply of slave labor the profits will be there. The problem they face however is that there is no such thing as a "little" freeedom. The people will want freedom and it will come one way or the other.

The cost to China in the long run is instability and revolution. The rest of the world will gang-up on China economically and they will be forced to take the next step towards capitalism, full private ownership. THAT is the day I worry about China as a global competitor. They have the work ethic and they are getting the technology.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: This is actually a great question! In the short term, monetary policy can have an impact but it is unsustainable over the long term. In the end, productivity rules the nest and when the PEOPLE of China become too disillusioned with having to work 10 hour days for slave wages only to see the comsumers of their labors profit and thrive, they will rise-up! China has tried to stave off insurrection since the fall of Moscow opened their eyes. They can not compete in a global economy and keep pace with the west. Hence, they have learned that Communism can not work. However, unlike the chaotic transition Russia went through (and still is going through) China decided to take their medicine in small doses with a transistion to a market driven economy. This has made China LOOK stronger that it really is. When ever you open a new market the flood gates open and investment money pours in. Just like the Dot Coms of the 90s money is rolling in by the truck load. But in the end, these investments must see returns. As long as China can continue to supply a steady supply of slave labor the profits will be there. The problem they face however is that there is no such thing as a "little" freeedom. The people will want freedom and it will come one way or the other. The cost to China in the long run is instability and revolution. The rest of the world will gang-up on China economically and they will be forced to take the next step towards capitalism, full private ownership. THAT is the day I worry about China as a global competitor. They have the work ethic and they are getting the technology.

yes, I've said this many times too. they have created a middle class - and this means many people with something to lose. and, things get ugly when that something gets threatened.

So just how long are we supposed to put up with the crap from countries like China?

This is not really a question, but look back. 40 years to when Honda sent cars over here in the beginning, they not only sent rusting crap buckets, but sent them here and sold them for less than what it cost them to build just to sell products here.

Why do we allow this crap?

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Technology is great when it works,
and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't.
Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.

undercutting to establish a market is a normal thing. "intraductory rates" is probably something you've seen plenty of. Honda now builds here. it forced the "big three" to take a 2nd look and improve quality. you remember what them hunks of crap the "big three" put out 40 years ago? oversized sloppy rust buckets. it took them 20 years to catch up again. competition is good. when its done fairly. being unaccountable to the environment & the workers is NOT fair tho. this is one of the problems with china. but, the people WILL demand their due. the farming filth, the industrial filth & the lifestyle filth will become to much. remember SARS? filth disease. and, I am sure its not alone, or the last.

Is the economy good?????? No...
I'm making more money, have fewer bills, but I have less money remaining after paying the "normal" expenses. That's normally called inflation. In the last ten years the cost of living has gone out of sight as far as i'm concerned. I think we're riding on a bubble that's going to burst one of these days.

quote Originally posted by 2farnorth: Is the economy good?????? No...

You are mismanaging your money... just ask the experts.. or Toadster... He can tell you and his decree alone it means its an undeniable fact.

52 week range 11,423.60 to 14,121.00

Going back up! no big surprise here.

Funny how a 200 point change in a day or two pannicks people when it dropped over 800 points in a few the weeks before, Whats that 20 billion dollars? heh

quote Originally posted by 2farnorth: Is the economy good?????? No... I'm making more money, have fewer bills, but I have less money remaining after paying the "normal" expenses. That's normally called inflation. In the last ten years the cost of living has gone out of sight as far as i'm concerned. I think we're riding on a bubble that's going to burst one of these days.

The bubble that folks *were* riding on for several years was cheap gasoline. The current price is in line with inflation. It's a bummer that the prices went up all at once, but they should have been going up steadily, to where they are now, over a long period of time anyway.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: Hmmm, here's a link to an article, and Toddster didn't write it... Consumer Confidence Rebounds in July to 6-Year High Amid Healthy Employment Outlook [.

Heh, beat me to it!

quote Originally posted by 84Bill: You are mismanaging your money... just ask the experts.. or Toadster... He can tell you and his decree alone it means its an undeniable fact.

Bill you are what's wrong with this country. Instead of using the expertise of those who have spent a lifetime learning a skill or trade to help improve your life you would prefer to sit in your van down by the river and piss and moan about the fact that you aren't respected for not knowing jack.

My opinion is not FACT...it's just INFORMED.

Try it sometime.

quote Originally posted by Tinkerster: Bill you are what's wrong with this country.

Within that microspeck you call a brain that may be so but in the grander scheme of things, which is WAY too far beyond the tip of your nose to even be considered, is simply untrue. That comes as no great shock to me you would feel that way.. Stupid... but not shocking.

quote Instead of using the expertise of those who have spent a lifetime learning a skill or trade to help improve your life you would prefer to sit in your van down by the river and piss and moan about the fact that you aren't respected for not knowing jack.

Kloddster,
I wouldnt trust you to the most mundane of tasks. Regardless of your haughty self affirmations and delusions of grandure you are indeed a pathetic excuse and poor example of a human being let alone an american. Your child nearly drown because you were too busy primping yourself or something... as I recall... Anyway... With that, may he who is without sin cast the first heap of bull pucky.

quote My opinion is not FACT...it's just INFORMED.

May I suggest.... Get better informed.
Better yet, look past the mirror if thats possible, maybe see a sphincter.. I mean shrink for that whacked out head of yours and get some new meds.

quote Try it sometime.

I'm sure I have and done a hell of alot more trying that you ever thought of or would care to indulge in.

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quote Originally posted by 84Bill: Kloddster, I wouldnt trust you to the most mundane of tasks. Regardless of your haughty self affirmations and delusions of grandure you are indeed a pathetic excuse and poor example of a human being let alone an american. Your child nearly drown because you were too busy primping yourself or something... as I recall... Anyway... With that, may he who is without sin cast the first heap of bull pucky.

I have trusted him with over $2 million in real estate sales, and he hasn't let me down yet. What could *you* do for a guy like me, Bill? What sort of expertise do you have to add to the mix?

quote Originally posted by fierobear: I have trusted him with over $2 million in real estate sales, and he hasn't let me down yet.

:::golfclap:::

quote What could *you* do for a guy like me, Bill? What sort of expertise do you have to add to the mix?

What are you looking for?

quote Originally posted by 84Bill: What are you looking for?

If you have to ask, why would I hire you?

quote Originally posted by fierobear: If you have to ask, why would I hire you?

If you require an answer to that question, you definatly nee to hire me. I "can" provide it but only if the price is right.

I wrote something to post here a while go, but my laptop ate it!! (it didn´t die as a result, so I will just say the gist of it here... )
Devaluation of a national currency isn´t always a bad thing..it makes exports cheaper....and re-balances the economy. Unfortunately, the Industrial Manufacturing base of the US seems to have shrunk so badly, the goods to export and take advantage of their associated cheapness just aren´t there in big enough numbers..so it is a problem, rather than an opportunity to regroup...
Nick

quote Originally posted by fierofetish: I wrote something to post here a while go, but my laptop ate it!! (it didn´t die as a result, so I will just say the gist of it here... ) Devaluation of a national currency isn´t always a bad thing..it makes exports cheaper....and re-balances the economy. Unfortunately, the Industrial Manufacturing base of the US seems to have shrunk so badly, the goods to export and take advantage of their associated cheapness just aren´t there in big enough numbers..so it is a problem, rather than an opportunity to regroup... Nick

Unfortunately for the U.S., we import more than we export and a devalued U.S. Dollar makes everything made overseas more expensive. And if you look at the tags of almost every product in our stores - that's most products.

quote Originally posted by Formula88: Unfortunately for the U.S., we import more than we export and a devalued U.S. Dollar makes everything made overseas more expensive. And if you look at the tags of almost every product in our stores - that's most products.

maybe this is for another thread - but - what are the USA's exports? I know we do have ALOT more than most people think, but food is all thats coming to mind right now...?

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: maybe this is for another thread - but - what are the USA's exports? I know we do have ALOT more than most people think, but food is all thats coming to mind right now...?

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html#Econ

Exports - commodities:
agricultural products (soybeans, fruit, corn) 9.2%, industrial supplies (organic chemicals) 26.8%, capital goods (transistors, aircraft, motor vehicle parts, computers, telecommunications equipment) 49.0%, consumer goods (automobiles, medicines) 15.0% (2003)

quote Originally posted by 84IQ: I'm sure I have and done a hell of alot more trying that you ever thought of or would care to indulge in.

That's the problem. I have no doubt that you really beileve that.

sigh...

quote Originally posted by Toddster: That's the problem. I have no doubt that you really beileve that. sigh...

So how about Mr. know it all answering the questions we posted, Buddy and I?

I will repeat mine.

How does the ratchet mechanism inside the rear brake caliper pistons work?

Can it be rebuilt?

Edited because,
Oops my bad, wrong thread, they were one on top of the other when I posted this. But then you have stopped posting on the other thread.

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Technology is great when it works,
and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't.
Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.

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quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: maybe this is for another thread - but - what are the USA's exports? I know we do have ALOT more than most people think, but food is all thats coming to mind right now...?

Mostly agriculture, but we also export cars and trucks. I'm sure cosmetics, clothing, etc. Craftsman tools made in the U.S.... etc.
But you hear continually about the "trade deficit" and that's where the devalued dollar bites us since we import much more than we export.

Well it is nice to pay the mortgage with deflated dollars anyway.

We also export a lot of steel and ore so they can make cheap crap and sell it back to us.

quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: So how about Mr. know it all answering the questions we posted, Buddy and I? I will repeat mine. How does the ratchet mechanism inside the rear brake caliper pistons work? Can it be rebuilt?

OK, I'm not even going to bother reading back over the entire thread to find this question for the simple and obvious reason that even if I DID notice it, what the hell does this have to do with the economy?

I can't say I'm too worried about the economy. Mixed political situations where one branch of the government is one party and another is the other are always a good thing to keep taxes AND spending low. Our trade deficit has me worried, the sinking of the US $ is encouraging other nations to switch to international sales with the Euro and purchasing Euros and not US dollars, which means they're going to want to cash in their US bucks, and the feds will have to pay up with money they don't have.

Overall, I don't think there is anything to worry about or look forward to.

quote Originally posted by Turddster: That's the problem. I have no doubt that you really beileve that. sigh...

K riste.
Judging by all the negative BS you hurl around regarding my opinions on certin subjects I'd have to say you dont even venture in though the places I have been let alone gained the first hand experience I posess.

Unlike you, I dispell myth while you try to play the part of the all knowing all seeing oracle. Opinions greatly differ from experience which you claim to have in all cases at all times... which makes you a walking bullshit factory.