Originally posted by Slammed Fiero: Dude , hate to burst your bubble , but your mustang is 160Hp version (carb'd) it runs high 15's in the 1/4. A v6 Fiero with a 4spd would be quicker.
Now I wouldn't go trying to race it with a 4cyl Fiero , but it's not that fast , espically since we have forum members who run low 15's on stock motors. MY 86 GT is Faster than my moms 95 5.0ltr, as is our LT1 Caprice (by a wide Margin)
just some food for thought.
JM
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My mustang doesnt have 160 hp they come with 190 stock, and mine has a crane cam/crank, ss valves, i dont know what it is at but i can guarntee it has over 200, i just got done installing chrome valve colors, underdrive pulley set, and a eldebrock hi-flo air filter.
randy
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I'm pretty sure Fiero's aren't 45/55, and that didn't disprove anything. (do you know what disprove means?).. That would require prood.. All I'm saying, is I've owned a Fiero, and I've driven a Neon, and stock for stock, I think the Neon would outhandle it. Where did you guys get the idea that a 10,000 car is a supercar?!? Who put this into your skull??
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05:53 PM
Smoooooth GT Member
Posts: 8823 From: Lake Palestine, Texas Registered: Jun 2001
Originally posted by 84fierotrevor: who do i send my video too??? hurry I wanna mail it out today !!
America's Funniest Home Video's....??? J/k Who was it that said they would post it for you..??? I can't find it, but I thought that someone said they would.. Anyone??
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07:39 PM
84fierotrevor Member
Posts: 4998 From: puyallup washington Registered: Oct 2001
acctuly the video's got some pretty funny stuff in it like me standing behind a tree sideways sucking in air to make myself skinner. so the cops going by can't see me. and my friend runs into someones yard and rolls under a car. and some otehr funny stuff like ussely happends at the races. i got ion tape lastnight to 1960's mustangs draging its kinda cool.
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07:59 PM
rogergarrison Member
Posts: 49601 From: A Western Caribbean Island/ Columbus, Ohio Registered: Apr 99
1 big thing about handling-Fiero is almost perfect front to rear balance. Great for handling.
neon is FWD. If Front wheel drive was any good for handleing at all, wouldnt someone use it in racing besides all the little nothing classes of race cars. GT Touring, Formula, Amer LeMans, trans Am, ASA, Nascar, USAC, Indy, Cart, Rolex series dont have a single FWD car. Although there are some AWD. I remember NOVI way back tried to make FWD Indy roadsters and they were a joke, they went everyway on the track but where they were supposed to.
A TRUE sports car is rear wheel drive. Whats a neon, i forgot........oh yea FWD. Besides, who would wanna go fast in a neon. I know when my friends drivin around in his civic, Im always worried thinking we are gonna crash. I keep tellin him........WATCH IT MAN..WERE IN A CIVIC!!!! Im just so used to my presicion steering of the Formula. Needless to say we both always wear our seatbelts. BUT, when hes with me, no seatbelt, he is totally confident in my Formula and my skills of weaving in and out of traffic, coming no further than an inch away from other vehicles.(trust me, im good)One sharp little turn of the wheel in my Formula is just.......I cant explain, if you know your fiero, and your limits, theres no compitition. Everyone says that im crazy.....im NOT crazy......its called SKILL and using it in a FIERO.
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10:21 PM
84fierotrevor Member
Posts: 4998 From: puyallup washington Registered: Oct 2001
Originally posted by Performance1: A TRUE sports car is rear wheel drive. Whats a neon, i forgot........oh yea FWD. Besides, who would wanna go fast in a neon. I know when my friends drivin around in his civic, Im always worried thinking we are gonna crash. I keep tellin him........WATCH IT MAN..WERE IN A CIVIC!!!! Im just so used to my presicion steering of the Formula. Needless to say we both always wear our seatbelts. BUT, when hes with me, no seatbelt, he is totally confident in my Formula and my skills of weaving in and out of traffic, coming no further than an inch away from other vehicles.(trust me, im good)One sharp little turn of the wheel in my Formula is just.......I cant explain, if you know your fiero, and your limits, theres no compitition. Everyone says that im crazy.....im NOT crazy......its called SKILL and using it in a FIERO.
Ur a ****ing idiot and if you ever show up at real street races u will have ur ass kicked. wE HATE YOU LITTLE MUTHER ****ERS THAT WEAVE IN AND OUTA TRAFFIC THINKING UR ALL SKILLED AND **** . CUSS THEN YOU KILL A FAMILY OF INNOCENT PEOPLE ON THE FREEWAY WHEN U **** UP AND THEN THE MEDIA SAYS ILLGLE STREET RACERS KILLED A INOCCENT FAMILY AND THEN THE REAL RACERS ARE STEROTYPED AND LOOKED DOWN ON ION THE PUBLIC AND BY POLICE. WHEN IN REALITY WE HATE LITTLE ****ERS LIKE YOU THAT HAVE NO RIGHT TO RISK SOMEONE ELSE THATS INOCCENT LIVES. WHEN REAL RACERS RACE WE DO IT OUT IN DESSERTED BLOCKED OF AREA NO ONE THAT WANTS TO BE THERE IS. JUST US RACERS AND NO ONE ELSE. NO PEDESTRIANS NO INOCCENT FAMILYS. AND PEOPLE LIKE U MAKE PEOPLE BELIVE WE ARE THE JERKS ON THE FREE WAY. SOME ****ER IN A CAMARO WAS WEAVING IN AND OUTA CITY TRAFFIC O THE FREE WAY THE DAY HE CAME ZOOMING UP BEHIND ME AND I SLAMED MY BREAKS AND HE MISSED ME BYE A INCH AND SLIDE HALFWAY OUTA CONTROL TO BAD THE ****ER DIDN'T CRASH INTO THE CENTER DIVIDER AND DIE CUSS HE DISERVS IT DOING **** ON A FREEWAY FULL OF PEOPLE.
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Tagueule Member
Posts: 762 From: East Bay, CA Registered: Apr 2002
Originally posted by 84fierotrevor: Ur a ****ing idiot and if you ever show up at real street races u will have ur ass kicked. wE HATE YOU LITTLE MUTHER ****ERS THAT WEAVE IN AND OUTA TRAFFIC THINKING UR ALL SKILLED AND **** . CUSS THEN YOU KILL A FAMILY OF INNOCENT PEOPLE ON THE FREEWAY WHEN U **** UP AND THEN THE MEDIA SAYS ILLGLE STREET RACERS KILLED A INOCCENT FAMILY AND THEN THE REAL RACERS ARE STEROTYPED AND LOOKED DOWN ON ION THE PUBLIC AND BY POLICE. WHEN IN REALITY WE HATE LITTLE ****ERS LIKE YOU THAT HAVE NO RIGHT TO RISK SOMEONE ELSE THATS INOCCENT LIVES. WHEN REAL RACERS RACE WE DO IT OUT IN DESSERTED BLOCKED OF AREA NO ONE THAT WANTS TO BE THERE IS. JUST US RACERS AND NO ONE ELSE. NO PEDESTRIANS NO INOCCENT FAMILYS. AND PEOPLE LIKE U MAKE PEOPLE BELIVE WE ARE THE JERKS ON THE FREE WAY. SOME ****ER IN A CAMARO WAS WEAVING IN AND OUTA CITY TRAFFIC O THE FREE WAY THE DAY HE CAME ZOOMING UP BEHIND ME AND I SLAMED MY BREAKS AND HE MISSED ME BYE A INCH AND SLIDE HALFWAY OUTA CONTROL TO BAD THE ****ER DIDN'T CRASH INTO THE CENTER DIVIDER AND DIE CUSS HE DISERVS IT DOING **** ON A FREEWAY FULL OF PEOPLE.
Please go away before we have to hurt you.
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84fierotrevor Member
Posts: 4998 From: puyallup washington Registered: Oct 2001
I really wanted to see that video. Call me naive, but i usually give people the benefit of the doubt. That is, until they prove me wrong with their actions.
Trevor, just relax man, don't worry about what anyone says. If it's true and you know that your car is fast than give someone the video and once it's posted, you'll be receiving a whole bunch of "i'm sorries"
And for everyone else here that's giving him a hard time, let it go people. Either he puts up or he shuts up. Just think how we all feel when those ignorant people ramble on about our fieros "don't those things catch on fire" or "those cars are soo unsafe that's why they stop making them"
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Smoooooth GT Member
Posts: 8823 From: Lake Palestine, Texas Registered: Jun 2001
Originally posted by 84fierotrevor: Ur a ****ing idiot and if you ever show up at real street races u will have ur ass kicked. wE HATE YOU LITTLE MUTHER ****ERS THAT WEAVE IN AND OUTA TRAFFIC THINKING UR ALL SKILLED AND **** . CUSS THEN YOU KILL A FAMILY OF INNOCENT PEOPLE ON THE FREEWAY WHEN U **** UP AND THEN THE MEDIA SAYS ILLGLE STREET RACERS KILLED A INOCCENT FAMILY AND THEN THE REAL RACERS ARE STEROTYPED AND LOOKED DOWN ON ION THE PUBLIC AND BY POLICE. WHEN IN REALITY WE HATE LITTLE ****ERS LIKE YOU THAT HAVE NO RIGHT TO RISK SOMEONE ELSE THATS INOCCENT LIVES. WHEN REAL RACERS RACE WE DO IT OUT IN DESSERTED BLOCKED OF AREA NO ONE THAT WANTS TO BE THERE IS. JUST US RACERS AND NO ONE ELSE. NO PEDESTRIANS NO INOCCENT FAMILYS. AND PEOPLE LIKE U MAKE PEOPLE BELIVE WE ARE THE JERKS ON THE FREE WAY. SOME ****ER IN A CAMARO WAS WEAVING IN AND OUTA CITY TRAFFIC O THE FREE WAY THE DAY HE CAME ZOOMING UP BEHIND ME AND I SLAMED MY BREAKS AND HE MISSED ME BYE A INCH AND SLIDE HALFWAY OUTA CONTROL TO BAD THE ****ER DIDN'T CRASH INTO THE CENTER DIVIDER AND DIE CUSS HE DISERVS IT DOING **** ON A FREEWAY FULL OF PEOPLE.
Real Racer!! haha
Someone has seen the fast and furious a few too many times!
JM
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11:41 AM
blakeinspace Member
Posts: 5923 From: Fort Worth, Texas Registered: Dec 2001
Well I stand corrected... err sit corrected. I PM'd probably the most avid AutoX'er I know (cadero2max) about the neon... and here is what he had to say:
"The Neon's are an awesome autocrosser, for years they were really the car to beat in their class - especially the ACR in D Stock under the old class structure. The "standard" Neon's were in the same class as the 4 cylinder Fiero - - ES. The Neon would be my choice hands down. It was a matter of the Fiero being mis-classed, it should have been in H Stock.
Last year, we had a lady in E Stock that won a National Championship in a Neon, she used to shame a lot of Mod cars and Prepared cars - if the course was tight and technical, even my AP Fiero!
Neon's are great autocrossers,but with the new classing structure this year, the Neon is not so favorably classed.
For a street machine, the Neon sucks.
G ----- Original Message ----- George...
Have you seen any great things happening with Dodge Neon's in AutoX? There's a fella in OT defending neon's with both balls, and I have not seen any at our local track to have an opinion on 'em. (stock)
You have more track exp than most people I would trust with an opinion and just curious...
LMK if you get a free sec! Thanks amigo. blake"
Thank you sooo much George for kicking me off my high horse I appreciate the education and will now regard the butt ugly lima beaned cars with a little more appreciation in cornering ability. I won't give 'em anything else though!
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84fierotrevor Member
Posts: 4998 From: puyallup washington Registered: Oct 2001
Alright Somone tell me where to send the video please !!!!!!!!! and as for the person that says i been watching the fast and the fuirois to much you obvisly never been to the races before. or atleast not the ones here. yea thee are real racers. with racing clubs almsot every "ricer" you see is in one. and I still dunno why u call them rice cuss the video's you are gonna see. ur gonna see a 1992 hatchback civic dust 1998 mustang GT. and next week's video ur gonna watch me dust some stangs. talk all the trash you want. but watch the video's. untell then go to kazzaa and tell me why that dodge neon is wasting a viper. put in dodge neon in the serach under video's and u will see a 9.0 second neon. and its a 2000. so its not turboed is it ? since they don't make turbo's for the 2000 yet someone said? unless he has a new motor in it. which is possible. but the guy at the neon forum has a 9 second neon and he has his stock mootor just modded out. so they CAN be made fast. and Roger Im not baging on the fiero I never did im just defending my neon. people talk trash on all kinds of cars all the time. I love lots of cars. I don't descrminate cuss ones made in a diffrent country or by a certin maker. some dude at the races has a fast as **** kia rio. lol. I wish my car was that fast. if someone wants to use nos instead of learn to tune there own engine. who cares? its there life not urs so don't call them rice cuss of it! its still a fast car. I never bagged on the fiero I love the fiero And I don't own one curently but I am trying to save up for a 5 speed fastback gt thats in crappy condtion i can learn to fix up myself. I dunno what the whole neons vrs fieros handling contest thingy was about. But my fiero handled alot better then my neon when I would hang the wheel one derecrtion in my fiero it was like glued to the road and went that derction. my neon like wobbles back and forth and is sorta scary. and loses traction. anyways the videos are coming as soon as someone tells me where to send !!!!! where ??? where ???? where ???
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02:19 PM
Smoooooth GT Member
Posts: 8823 From: Lake Palestine, Texas Registered: Jun 2001
Well, If your neon is turbo, and you go to "street races" I highly doubt your beating Mustang GT's. The Mustang's can add bolt-on parts and be running 13's easily. A guy at work has a '93 GT lowered with a supercharger. The thing blasts into the high 11's. Dyno shows it's pushing 450hp. Now just doing a quick search on Drag Racing neons, I found a guy who installed a supercharger designed for the Prowler, modified it for his R/T neon and made a custom pulley to drive it harder. Here is a quote from his day at a "REAL" drag strip:
"We more than doubled the stock HP output! Jeeez! 13.82 @ 102mph. The motor took first gear launches at 2000RPM with cylinder pressures that should have shot the plugs through the hood......"
remember this is with a modified SC not a turbo (so it has no turbo lag). If someone says they have a 9 second neon with the stock motor and just bolting on items, I say ! You obviously have no idea what it takes to get to 9-seconds. As an example, The Rod Shop known for building drag racing cars took a Fiero race car, (not a street car) Installed a built super gas 3.0L SD4. Pushing almost 400hp and 300 torque with a weight of 2100 lbs (including fuel and driver) Hit the 1/4 mile in 10.47 @ 126mph. Now you want me to believe a 2500 2.0L neon can hit 9 seconds with "bolt-on" items to a stock engine?!? I doubt your car hits low 15's in the 1/4.
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AgaricX Member
Posts: 1165 From: A genetics lab somewhere in TX, USA Registered: Aug 2001
Orief, I have a Mopar performance mag that has a "recipe" for a 9 second neon. The turbo alone get it to 11 seconds. New heads , headers, and a few other bolt ons got it to the 9's. Again, not arguing just pointing out facts. I can give you the issue number and page. BTW why do you have such a hard time thinking that? The Dodge 4 cy 2.2 turbos from the 80's are capable of this also.
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Originally posted by falconhulk: Orief, I have a Mopar performance mag that has a "recipe" for a 9 second neon. The turbo alone get it to 11 seconds. New heads , headers, and a few other bolt ons got it to the 9's. Again, not arguing just pointing out facts. I can give you the issue number and page. BTW why do you have such a hard time thinking that? The Dodge 4 cy 2.2 turbos from the 80's are capable of this also.
The only 9 second turbo Neon that I've heard of has over $10k invested into the engine plus nitrous. Hardly a few bolt-ons
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Oreif Member
Posts: 16460 From: Schaumburg, IL Registered: Jan 2000
Originally posted by falconhulk: Orief, I have a Mopar performance mag that has a "recipe" for a 9 second neon. The turbo alone get it to 11 seconds. New heads , headers, and a few other bolt ons got it to the 9's. Again, not arguing just pointing out facts. I can give you the issue number and page. BTW why do you have such a hard time thinking that? The Dodge 4 cy 2.2 turbos from the 80's are capable of this also.
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First, in my first post I was incorrect. The neon does NOT weigh 2500 lbs. A neon R/T weighs 2726. (about the same as a V-6 Fiero) This was verified via 3 independent spec listings on the net and a friends Neon in the parking lot.
Now, 9-seconds is very quick. Using the example above and calculating the Neon's true weight, You would need roughly 550hp to get a 2700 lbs car down the 1/4 mile in 9 seconds. I have relatives that drag race. I have seen what it takes to get down the 1/4 mile in 9 seconds. I do not believe a 150hp 2.0L engine with 2-bolt mains would hold together boosted at that much power. At least not for too long. Also the Neon is a FWD car. Traction is another factor. How many Pro drag racers use FWD? NONE. Every 9-second car on the track is a full tube steel chassis not a FWD unibody. If it was so easy to just bolt-on $10,000 worth of stuff, Why are they spending $30K-$40K for a full tube steel chassis? If just bolting on a turbo "it gets 11's" they why does the Neon exampled above only get high 13's with a modified supercharger? It's a neon it has the 2.0L in fact it was a 2001 R/T. I think you have your facts mixed up. The old 2.2 turbo's with the inter-coolers were nice. But they only got into the mid 12's. Most street racers have cars that run in the 11's and 12's. Occasionally you get a few who get into the 10's. But getting 9's is not that easy. It is easier to get a 15 second car into the 12's then it is to go from the 10's to the 9's. Especially with street tires to boot.
I really don't care what a Dodge performance magazine "says". Do the mods, take it to a real track and run it. Besides from what you describe from the magazine, Your changing everything but the short block. The above post by 84trev stated a stock engine with some bolt-ons. Not a rebuilt engine. As your performance magazine seems to portray.
As another example, is Archie's drag car. The car has a 450hp dual-quad V-8. Gobs more torque than any forced induction 2.0L. Archie has also removed many things from the car to reduce weight. The car at a guess is probably closer to 2500 lbs. It is a coupe body. Now even Archie agree's the car is probably low 11's maybe even high 10's. He doesn't street race but he's been at drag strips for many years as I have. Your 9-second Neon using a stock engine is a fantasy created to sell an economy car as a performance platform.
BTW ~ The Neon metioned above was also driven by me for a bit. Yes the Neon given it's suspension design and short wheel base would do very well in an AutoX. But once the speed gets over about 30-35mph the front starts to push. I would bet that in the small courses which is generally what they run on, these cars would do very well. Kind of reminds me of the CRX's and Rabbit's of the late 80's, 1 tire in the air and going around hairpin turns with ease. I would like to see individual track results for them on a real race course. I'm talking taking corners at 50-60mph or more. The Fiero with it's lower center of gravity and larger wheel base would eat a Neon for breakfast. (Stock/Stock or modded/modded) There are reasons that different levels of racing have different classes. On the faster speed courses, cars like Vette's and Vipers will do better than any short wheel based car. Larger wheel based cars are better for stability and the rear wheel drive configuration is better at higher speeds. If I was to run the autoX's around here then yes a Neon would be great. But on a real road course I'll take a Fiero. FWD cars do not do well on fast road courses.
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06:44 PM
GTFiero1 Member
Posts: 6508 From: Camden County NJ Registered: Sep 2001
I don't know about that 9 sec. neon, but I have seen a 10 sec. civic up close and personal. As of last year it had claim to Canada's fastest civic. This car was nothing like a civic, It was completetly tubbed and rolled, with a fiberglass body. and a engine that would blow something pretty much everytime out to the track. I'm not saying that civic's and neons are the same, but I highly doubt that a 9 sec. neon would be streetable. How many 9 sec. cars have you seen on the streets? The thing you gotta keep in mind when reading those articles is that they will pretty much print any number you tell em to with a list of mods that you've done. I take em' with a grain of salt. The ones that show dyno's and/or time slips are a different story.
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08:35 PM
GTFiero1 Member
Posts: 6508 From: Camden County NJ Registered: Sep 2001
if you were closer id challenge you against our N/A chevelle (if you ricers know what N/A means)
Interesting article, im actually a little suprised at that the total bill came up to 4 grand, but still 10,500 for the honda motor just hurts... AND while they may both be 500hp thats only half the story i want to see some tq numbers, anyone wanna bet the 455 is at least 50% more
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Oreif Member
Posts: 16460 From: Schaumburg, IL Registered: Jan 2000
if you were closer id challenge you against our N/A chevelle (if you ricers know what N/A means)
falconhulk, Follow the link above, $10K of engine work to hit 500hp in a 2500lbs Civic and the place that builds the engine claims low 11's. Now you want us to believe a neon with a 2.0L 150hp engine just gets a turbo bolted up and it can go as fast as the Civic???? Not to mention the Civic weighs 200lbs LESS than a Neon. They even state the block needs to be strengthened to attain the HP levels.
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09:06 PM
Dumba$$ Member
Posts: 1679 From: Sioux Falls SD Registered: Jan 2001
Wow.. a 455.. theres a real piece of work.. Of course the torque is going to double it, the engine is about 5x the size! Lets look at a rotary though.. 255hp, 80cid.. Now thats an engine.
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Neal Member
Posts: 1247 From: Calgary AB, Canada Registered: Jun 2001
Who was it that said they would post it for you..??? I can't find it, but I thought that someone said they would.. 
I appreciate the education and will now regard the butt ugly lima beaned cars with a little more appreciation in cornering ability. I won't give 'em anything else though!
! You obviously have no idea what it takes to get to 9-seconds. 
I WANT A FASTBACK!!! 
