Eh, aside from the engine and the crappy Lamborghini stuck on it, it doesn't look like a bad kit/car, and $27K for a finished build isn't that bad a price, assuming the paint isn't horrible or anything.
If you want a kit, and want to get it finished, you're going to spend more than that to do it, most likely.
Maybe the 270hp was with the turbo installed.
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Posts: 2578 From: Bradenton, Florida, United States Registered: Mar 2010
I also believe that it`s not stretched 1: because the body looks like every other non-stretched version and 2: because in the engine pic the engine is right up against the fiirewall and the rear part of the trunk is still intact even down to the trunk light. When you strech the frame for a Countach wheelbase it puts the engine about 5-6 inches rearward of the firewall. Up until a few months ago you could buy a similar car from a builder here in Texas for about 20K.
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Posts: 49601 From: A Western Caribbean Island/ Columbus, Ohio Registered: Apr 99
My Ferrari kit had a built 3.1, turbocharged that had more than 270 hp. If I remember they dyno sheet on it was around 290. An engine guy for a Nascar team built it for me in early 90s. A friend used that same engine (-turbo) in SCCA racing for years after i put a stock 2.8 back in it to sell, with the DS 1, turbo on it like 8 years ago. I think that buyer put a 4.9 in it.
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Posts: 7136 From: Omaha, NE USA Registered: Apr 2008
I also believe that it`s not stretched 1: because the body looks like every other non-stretched version and 2: because in the engine pic the engine is right up against the fiirewall and the rear part of the trunk is still intact even down to the trunk light. When you strech the frame for a Countach wheelbase it puts the engine about 5-6 inches rearward of the firewall. Up until a few months ago you could buy a similar car from a builder here in Texas for about 20K.
The ad says it is stretched.
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TXGOOD Member
Posts: 5410 From: Austin, Texas Registered: Feb 2006
Exotic Illusions made both stretched and non-stretched versions of the 5000S and the 25th Anniversary and that particular one looks like the non-stretched version.
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Exotic Illusions made both stretched and non-stretched versions of the 5000S and the 25th Anniversary and that particular one looks like the non-stretched version.
Exactly. I was looking for the 5000S badging on the rear. Definately not stretched.
Too many things to list, but the front and rear aren't true. Missing are the deleted headlight and the rear lights are a big give-away.
Well, it's a kit, not a Countach. If you want a true thing, then save your money and buy the real one. It's a Fiero, not a Lambo. No point digging on the guy for trying to sell his car. If you want a kit, then it's in good condition, and probably as good as any kit build you're going to get for near that price. If you want a 100% true look in a kit car, you're going to be spending almost as much as it would cost to just buy a real Countach.
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madcurl Member
Posts: 21401 From: In a Van down by the Kern River Registered: Jul 2003
Well, it's a kit, not a Countach. If you want a true thing, then save your money and buy the real one. It's a Fiero, not a Lambo. No point digging on the guy for trying to sell his car. If you want a kit, then it's in good condition, and probably as good as any kit build you're going to get for near that price. If you want a 100% true look in a kit car, you're going to be spending almost as much as it would cost to just buy a real Countach.
Well, he mispelled, "Lamgborhini Countact Kit Car." :
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BV MotorSports Member
Posts: 4821 From: Oak Hill, WV Registered: May 2001
Originally posted by madcurl: Well, he mispelled, "Lamgborhini Countact Kit Car." :
And that's not half as bad as the misspellings of things I see on here constantly.
I'm sure if you posted your car for sale on craigslist and made some mistakes in the ad, or asked a bunch of money for it, you wouldn't want people creating a thread to make fun of you for it. So why come in here and make fun of someone else's post? How about e-mailing the person and helping them improve the ad, so that maybe someone will be interested in keeping a Fiero alive, rather than having another one end up in the crusher because nobody wants it, or people just mock his choice of building his car.
I don't personally like most of what you've done to your own Fieros, but I don't come on here telling you how ugly or incorrect they are.
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jscott1 Member
Posts: 21676 From: Houston, TX , USA Registered: Dec 2001
It's not bad as far as Countach kits go...but why on Earth would they reinstall the 2.8 POS I don't know. If I had that cradle sitting on the floor I would unbolt the 2.8 and put something more respectable on like maybe a LS3.
It's not bad as far as Countach kits go...but why on Earth would they reinstall the 2.8 POS I don't know. If I had that cradle sitting on the floor I would unbolt the 2.8 and put something more respectable on like maybe a LS3.
Probably because freshening a 2.8 is cheap compared to the money it takes to do an LS3 swap? Maybe whoever built it wanted to get the kit on and done, with the engine running and at least clean and reliable, then do a swap later on, having spent all the currently available money on the body and getting the kit done?
Some people can't afford just taking a car to Archie and throwing $60K+ his way to do a full kit build with a V8 swap.
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Posts: 21676 From: Houston, TX , USA Registered: Dec 2001
Probably because freshening a 2.8 is cheap compared to the money it takes to do an LS3 swap? Maybe whoever built it wanted to get the kit on and done, with the engine running and at least clean and reliable, then do a swap later on, having spent all the currently available money on the body and getting the kit done?
Some people can't afford just taking a car to Archie and throwing $60K+ his way to do a full kit build with a V8 swap.
I see your point, but an LS3 swap is going to cost way less than $60K, even if I take it to Archie.
Originally posted by TXOPIE: OK...is just me, but the driver's side door doesn't even come close to lining up correctly?
Looks to me like the door simply isn't latched.
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Originally posted by dobey: Maybe whoever built it wanted to get the kit on and done, with the engine running and at least clean and reliable, then do a swap later on, having spent all the currently available money on the body and getting the kit done.
I agree... it can take years to build a Lambo replica, especially since the Countach kits were the original "choptops". Lots of labour and money needed to modify the chassis, which in most cases is barely recognizable as a Fiero chassis once done. It's ironic though that for some critics, it's perfectly OK to have an endless list of tweaks that are still needed to their own cars (heck some will actually drive their cars around for years half modified and unpainted) but if a replica/kit owner posts a single photo of their car without it being a perfect clone, these same people feel compelled to point out every deficiency. It's as though there were a universal standard that everyone except themselves should meet. The worst part is, that most (edit: but not all) of these critics will never admit they hold themselves to a different standard than those whom they criticize.
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jscott1 Member
Posts: 21676 From: Houston, TX , USA Registered: Dec 2001
Yeah I agree most people on this forum hold replicas to a different standard. But if I saw a Fiero with a chop top and extensive body mods still rocking a 2.8 I would complain the same way.
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madcurl Member
Posts: 21401 From: In a Van down by the Kern River Registered: Jul 2003
And that's not half as bad as the misspellings of things I see on here constantly.
I'm sure if you posted your car for sale on craigslist and made some mistakes in the ad, or asked a bunch of money for it, you wouldn't want people creating a thread to make fun of you for it. So why come in here and make fun of someone else's post? How about e-mailing the person and helping them improve the ad, so that maybe someone will be interested in keeping a Fiero alive, rather than having another one end up in the crusher because nobody wants it, or people just mock his choice of building his car.
I don't personally like most of what you've done to your own Fieros, but I don't come on here telling you how ugly or incorrect they are.
I'm not the person who posted the car. Why don't you start there and then work your way down the postings.
Plus you're upset because people are picking through false advertisements posted by the owner. LOL.
As for calling the owner-why don't you. That way you can ask him how he was able to get 270hp out of a 2.8/3.4, because he's giving all 3800SC and N* a run for their money. LOL.
Originally posted by madcurl: I'm not the person who posted the car. Why don't you start there and then work your way down the postings.
Plus you're upset because people are picking through false advertisements posted by the owner. LOL.
As for calling the owner-why don't you. That way you can ask him how he was able to get 270hp out of a 2.8/3.4, because he's giving all 3800SC and N* a run for their money. LOL.
My original reply wasn't directed at only you. You're the one who keeps replying though, so I started replying to you.
And I'm not upset because people are picking through "false advertisements" posted by the owner. If you want to pick through false advertisements, then do it with the owner. I don't care. But moaning about it on here is useless. You're not doing it to help keep a Fiero alive, in a world where more keep getting crushed. You're doing it to make fun of the person for being a little off on their spelling or claims, on a web site where 90%+ of the ads are a little off on spelling and claims.
As for contacting the owner, I don't have any interest in the car, or whatever his spelling mistakes or claims were. You obviously do, or you wouldn't be ragging on them on here. Or maybe I should just e-mail him the link to this thread, so he can see how "welcoming and friendly" you all are.
I admit he posts no photos of the turbo installation, and he isn't clear whether the turbo is ready or whether the engine is only "ready" for a turbo, but his claim that the car makes 270HP makes it possible it has one. Not everyone is a genius at marketing what they have to sell, and others are notoriously bad at spelling. Some people here would rather jump to conclusions to mock the guy and the car before checking it out first hand, as though they had never made a typo in their lives.
Edit: spelling... see?
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Originally posted by jscott1: I see your point, but an LS3 swap is going to cost way less than $60K, even if I take it to Archie.
The swap itself won't, no. But a full kit build with an LS3 swap will. Especially a kit where you want it to be as accurate as possible to the original, or anything where there's going to be lots of body work, expensive paint, etc… Labor costs money.
I admit he posts no photos of the turbo installation, and he isn't clear whether the turbo is ready or whether the engine is only "ready" for a turbo, but his claim that the car makes 270HP makes it possible it has one. Not everyone is a genius at marketing what they have to sell, and others are notoriously bad at spelling. Some people here would rather jump to conclusions to mock the guy and the car before checking it out first hand, as though they had never made a typo in their lives.
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The engine bay picture shows the stock intake tube, connected to the throttle body, so I seriously doubt there is currently a turbo on it. However, that doesn't mean it didn't have one on it at some point, and it was removed for reliability or just to sell without the turbo. It's all speculation. But it's also reasonable that a built 3.4 with a turbo could make 270hp on a dyno run, if it was tuned for it, and making enough boost to do so.
He did. The OP only listed the ad. You were the first to jump on the bandwagon to mock the car without any first hand info about it.
Maybe you missed Roger Garrison's post that his turbocharged 3.1 could make 290 HP. Or are you calling him a liar too.
Why, was he at Hooter's again?
Now back to the car in this thread. I read the owner's posting in Craiglist "first hand" and it reads:
*1987 Lamborghini Countach kit car! on 1987 fiero chassis. has built V6 (approx. 270 hp.) with 4 speed transmission. turbo ready! this thing is already fast as it is!- okay, where?
* Chassis has been extended to the same wheelbase as the original Countach-where?
*You wont find one done as well as this. it was done by Demetrios with exotic illusions. he is highly accredited and has been doing this for years. his cars have been making it into magazines as well. here are some links to his site and a magazine."-translation. He has the low end Lamborghini Countach kit.
I've heard of individuals embelishing a lie or a resume, but this one takes the cake. Seriously, I've seen choptops selling for a lot less than 27k. Actually, a V8Archie build choptop is on sell now for half that price, with a V8 and with the correct badging.
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jscott1 Member
Posts: 21676 From: Houston, TX , USA Registered: Dec 2001
I like replicas...but I'm still catching grief for being critical of the stock 2.8/3.4 engine.
I like the L44 in my GT...I really do. It sounds great, has a nice rumble and gets the car moving quick enough to not be dangerous in the flow of traffic.
But for anything other than a stock bodied car it just seems out of place to me. I know it's my opinion and I don't want to rain on anybody's parade, but it seems to me that if I were going to make a Lambo replica I would want something with a little more panache than a 2.8/3.4
I like replicas...but I'm still catching grief for being critical of the stock 2.8/3.4 engine.
I like the L44 in my GT...I really do. It sounds great, has a nice rumble and gets the car moving quick enough to not be dangerous in the flow of traffic.
But for anything other than a stock bodied car it just seems out of place to me. I know it's my opinion and I don't want to rain on anybody's parade, but it seems to me that if I were going to make a Lambo replica I would want something with a little more panache than a 2.8/3.4
Nobody is giving you grief for not wanting the the 2.8/3.4 in a Lambo replica.
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Posts: 21676 From: Houston, TX , USA Registered: Dec 2001
There are no more Hooters anywhere in Ohio that I know of. A friend owned the Ohio, Indiana and Kentucy franchise and took over Roosters instead. There is one on the Ohio River, but its actually in Covington, Ky. Of course that may be gone too, that was 2 years ago.
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madcurl Member
Posts: 21401 From: In a Van down by the Kern River Registered: Jul 2003
But for anything other than a stock bodied car it just seems out of place to me. I know it's my opinion and I don't want to rain on anybody's parade, but it seems to me that if I were going to make a Lambo replica I would want something with a little more panache than a 2.8/3.4
The National Replica Association (NRA) only concerns are "iconic" features and "badging" from the real car and will relentlessly defend any replica made. It's like being on a Island of Misfit toys-you know, like a Choo Choo train with block wheels or a Jack in the Box, but whose name is Charlie. They're all okay with a Lamborghini kit kar with a Duke or 2.8 in the back because the other dude's Ferrari kit isn't correct either.
Originally posted by madcurl: So, if you happen to see a misfit toy here in a thread you're attacked.
What a joke. You arrogantly start the "attack" by criticizing complete strangers who have done you no wrong, for your own sadistic pleasure, then plead victim status when your irrational behaviour is highlighted and you're subjected to the same type of ridicule you spew out. Nobody's sympathizing with you in case you hadn't noticed.
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Posts: 3321 From: Houston, TX Registered: Aug 2009
There are no more Hooters anywhere in Ohio that I know of. A friend owned the Ohio, Indiana and Kentucy franchise and took over Roosters instead. There is one on the Ohio River, but its actually in Covington, Ky. Of course that may be gone too, that was 2 years ago.
hooters.com and Google Maps both show 2 locations, one in Springdale, and one in Dayton. There are 2 in KY near Cincinnati as well, in Newport and Florence.
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