Why spend 27k for a botched up Lamborghini replica and then have to throw another 80k trying to get it right. Purchase either the real one for 150K or just buy a hand build one for 77k and call it a day.
Dont trust Hooters.com or Google. It shows 3 in Columbus that have been closed 3-4 years. It does show Toledo, Dayton and Springdale but who knows if they are there or not. Even if they were, I generally dont go 150 miles for wings and a beer . Stores in Kentucky are not in Ohio. I dont know who owns any area franchises now. Maybe they are in a new location. The people who bought my friends franchise ran it out of business and work in other restaurants now. I think one of them does work from my friends Rooster franchise out of Louisville, Ky. Maybe the couple in Ohio, if they are open, are out of an Indianapolis franchise. I believe the original Ohio franchise was RMD Corp.
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madcurl Member
Posts: 21401 From: In a Van down by the Kern River Registered: Jul 2003
Why spend 27k for a botched up Lamborghini replica and then have to throw another 80k trying to get it right. Purchase either the real one for 150K or just buy a hand build one for 77k and call it a day.
Why the hell would I spend $77K for a cheap knock-off, when I can buy an actual real authentic Countach for ~90K?
Sorry man, but not everyone has your funding. Step down off your elitist rag box already.
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madcurl Member
Posts: 21401 From: In a Van down by the Kern River Registered: Jul 2003
Why the hell would I spend $77K for a cheap knock-off, when I can buy an actual real authentic Countach for ~90K?
Sorry man, but not everyone has your funding. Step down off your elitist rag box already.
Kens car is a one off urban legend. There is no way to compare it to a kit or a real contach. Definitely not a cheap knock off. He will get the price that he wants eventually. When the buyer shows up who wants one like this, there will be no other choice. He will pay what he has to to get it. I have no idea what the collectivity will be.
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madcurl Member
Posts: 21401 From: In a Van down by the Kern River Registered: Jul 2003
Originally posted by ferrobi: Huh - seems he can't keep his thoughts straight, but we all knew that already.
Nice to see the gang is back. I was wondering when you were going to drop in. Did you sell your F40 replica?
In reference to what ferrobi, a Lamborghini or a F355? As you know, a F355 cost about 30k on Ebay, but to build accurate F355 and not the watered down ghetto version will cost you way more than the actual car. On the other hand, a Lamborghini is around 100k, but to build an accurate one would be equal if not more than the real thing.
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Nice to see the gang is back. I was wondering when you were going to drop in. Did you sell your F40 replica?
In reference to what ferrobi, a Lamborghini or a F355? As you know, a F355 cost about 30k on Ebay, but to build accurate F355 and not the watered down ghetto version will cost you way more than the actual car. On the other hand, a Lamborghini is around 100k, but to build an accurate one would be equal if not more than the real thing.
30k come on Mr. Almighty - maybe a piece of junk 355. And then even if you get one for 30k how about upkeep costs. I mean really. You really are something.
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madcurl Member
Posts: 21401 From: In a Van down by the Kern River Registered: Jul 2003
30k come on Mr. Almighty - maybe a piece of junk 355. And then even if you get one for 30k how about upkeep costs. I mean really. You really are something.
Believe it or not, but some times it happens. If you find a real F355 with high miles-gut it and install a LS3/Porsche trans mounted the correct way. http://www.conceptcarz.com/...carID=11189&i=8#menu
If not, go for the 348, but you already now this, right? $26,949 + 30,000= $56,949
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madcurl Member
Posts: 21401 From: In a Van down by the Kern River Registered: Jul 2003
Yep, that's what I've been saying for some time now for those with Lambo's and Ferrari pretending to have the real thing while the kit is watered down version with a Duke or a 2.8 engine. At least spend the money and do it correctly. However, at least the badging is correctly placed and those "iconic" features can be seen from 50 feet away.
"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." --Benjamin Franklin
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Feb 1st, 2013
AL87 Member
Posts: 2578 From: Bradenton, Florida, United States Registered: Mar 2010
So yeah, I leave a post entertaining the possibility that the guy trying to sell this kit is not knowing what he's talking about. And people go off topic and start looking at the body's build quality... the post for sale of his vehicle is mildly crude, but better than most. there is alot of grey area left about by what he doesnt say, and what he doesnt go into detail about.
also, its a kit, of course it wont be perfect. it doesnt have hundreds of well paid italians going over every detail. its just one or two normal people who house these in thier garage for years...
I do like a well done kit, it doesnt have to be a scale replica, but it has to be proportional (just the way I like my women as well)
and the reason people criticize kits so much is because somewhere along the way, someone got lazy with thier attention to details. Dont do a kit wrong unless you are prepared to take the heat if it is wrong... this one looked good enough for all intensive purposes...
I was an art student for 6 years, and I am a harsh critic, but I digress because I only posted since I thought it was an outrageous claim to make for this vehicle to make 270 with a stock 2.8... from what ive read you can pull 230 out of it from the pontiac 2.8 racing/performance guide originally printed for it...
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AL87 Member
Posts: 2578 From: Bradenton, Florida, United States Registered: Mar 2010
Why the hell would I spend $77K for a cheap knock-off, when I can buy an actual real authentic Countach for ~90K?
Sorry man, but not everyone has your funding. Step down off your elitist rag box already.
Same reason I build myself kits. My Ferrari kit cost $10,000 more to build than buying a real used one. Ferraris arent good daily driver cars...cost is enormous for routine maintanence. How about a $5000+ brake job or $8,000 tune up. Lambos, even bought brand new are junk. Ive known several owners who had nothing but headaches. One bought a brand new Diablo, had it one year. It broke down weekly. It got so bad he was scared to drive it anywhere and having to get it towed. He sued the dealership in Marysville, Ohio for the full amount he paid for it and got it. If you want to impress people and drive it 5 miles a week to the country club, buy real. If you want to have a fun reliable car most normal people cant tell, get a kit. I spent many years doing work on all kinds of high end exotics and I still prefer owning a 'fake' one for myself. I like the looks of a Countach, but you couldnt give me a real one for free that wouldnt go up for sale the next day.
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Feb 2nd, 2013
AL87 Member
Posts: 2578 From: Bradenton, Florida, United States Registered: Mar 2010
Buying "off" brand merchandise isnt necessarily a bad thing, tis why I never buy expensive sunglasses...
I wouldnt mind owning a real countach, f40, or 308 myself... although I know it would be hell to get replacement parts...
what a friend told me "you dont buy a lamborghini or ferrari unless you can afford to buy 10 more to replace this one if something happens to it"
Dont buy the real thing with all the money you have unless you can afford to replace it with the stroke of a pen or swipe of a card, all without crying about it as well... (Ive also learned this about people here in florida who own boats, and then get a $1500.00 bill from my boss.)
Id also rather own a kit as well compared to the real thing, because it will cost me much less in the long run then to own the real thing...
Originally posted by AL87: what a friend told me "you dont buy a lamborghini or ferrari unless you can afford to buy 10 more to replace this one if something happens to it"
Dont buy the real thing with all the money you have unless you can afford to replace it with the stroke of a pen or swipe of a card, all without crying about it as well... (Ive also learned this about people here in florida who own boats, and then get a $1500.00 bill from my boss.)
This is really true of any vehicle you buy. There's a reason luxury cars are reserved for those of luxurious means. But even the lower-end cars can be very expensive to fix; especially if you aren't capable of doing the work yourself. Labor rates breaching the $100/hr mark can make even simple jobs that much more costly. This is true, even with a Fiero. Replacing a fuel pump could easily go over $500 at a reputable mechanic's shop, especially if you don't know it's needed going in, and diagnostic time is required.
Heck, when the Mini Cooper I used to have had a problem with the door lock module, I took it in to the dealer to have them confirm my suspicions, and it cost about $150 just for that. The module I had to replace was $150-200 by itself. Were the dealer to do the work, instead of me, that easily could have been a $500 job. And that's not including all the other stuff they wanted me to have them do, from doing their "courtesy inspection" that I didn't want them to do, which was around $1000 of extra stuff they thought I should do "soon."
If you don't already have the means to pay to have work done, or to do it yourself, a car can be a very expensive.
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Feb 3rd, 2013
AL87 Member
Posts: 2578 From: Bradenton, Florida, United States Registered: Mar 2010
I agree^ i became a mechanic out of necessity, not because I wanted to, although im in love with motorsports, it made the transition to mechanic a welcome one.
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PerKr Member
Posts: 641 From: Mariestad, Sweden Registered: Nov 2006
I sort of like the lines of the SWB countach replica. At least from certain angles. Like an exaggerated toy version of the real thing. Wouldn't mind driving one at all, though I'm not sure about the headroom or the ease (or rather "lack of ease") of entry...
But bashing that car (or any other) because it's not an exact replica (come on, no SWB version really is a "replica")... Saying you might as well buy the real deal instead due to the minimal price difference if you're building a proper replica... Well. We drive fieros. Some people put a shitload of money into their fieros. Some people put several shitloads of money into their fiero to make it look and perform better. But in the end, it's still a fiero and it's still not going to be better than a Corvette Z06 despite spending enough money to buy one. All you have to show for that money is a slightly better fiero. And then to ***** about someone wasting their money on a fiero-based kitcar? Major fail right there.
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VF1Skullangel Member
Posts: 190 From: Southern California Registered: Jun 2008
Id rather be caught driving an obvious kitcar than be sporting Madcurls mutated Corvette/Fiero thingy. Just sayin.
I got to see this bad boy up in LA not to long ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eshkQ0mKXhc
It's still runnin the stock 2.8. The builder put in 52k into it back in 2008. I'm sure today I could probably build this same car for far less.
I hate shitty looking replicas as much as the next guy does. But if done right it should get some type of respect. That's just me. Elitists in my book shouldn't even be in this hobby.
This is really true of any vehicle you buy. There's a reason luxury cars are reserved for those of luxurious means. But even the lower-end cars can be very expensive to fix; especially if you aren't capable of doing the work yourself. Labor rates breaching the $100/hr mark can make even simple jobs that much more costly. This is true, even with a Fiero. Replacing a fuel pump could easily go over $500 at a reputable mechanic's shop, especially if you don't know it's needed going in, and diagnostic time is required.
Heck, when the Mini Cooper I used to have had a problem with the door lock module, I took it in to the dealer to have them confirm my suspicions, and it cost about $150 just for that. The module I had to replace was $150-200 by itself. Were the dealer to do the work, instead of me, that easily could have been a $500 job. And that's not including all the other stuff they wanted me to have them do, from doing their "courtesy inspection" that I didn't want them to do, which was around $1000 of extra stuff they thought I should do "soon."
If you don't already have the means to pay to have work done, or to do it yourself, a car can be a very expensive.
There should be some sense beyond unlimited finances. The new Car & Driver has a long term test on a 100,000 dollar Audi and there is a price list in the article for parts. I do not care what kind of car it is, a headlight is not worth 2515 dollars. Or 535 dollars APIECE for tires. What BS, and IMO, only a fool, even extremely wealthy, would consider such a car.
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Feb 4th, 2013
AL87 Member
Posts: 2578 From: Bradenton, Florida, United States Registered: Mar 2010
Originally posted by weaselbeak: There should be some sense beyond unlimited finances. The new Car & Driver has a long term test on a 100,000 dollar Audi and there is a price list in the article for parts. I do not care what kind of car it is, a headlight is not worth 2515 dollars. Or 535 dollars APIECE for tires. What BS, and IMO, only a fool, even extremely wealthy, would consider such a car.
What tires are on it? Run-flats are not cheap. The run-flats for the Mini Cooper I used to have would run $300-400 a pop, depending on what tread/mfg/etc… you wanted to go with.
What type of headlights are they?
How much do you think madcurl paid for those OEM Ferrari F430 mirrors on his car? (Assuming of course, they are actually OEM.) Just did a quick search on ebay for them, and they go for > $1000 each.
There should be some sense beyond unlimited finances. The new Car & Driver has a long term test on a 100,000 dollar Audi and there is a price list in the article for parts. I do not care what kind of car it is, a headlight is not worth 2515 dollars. Or 535 dollars APIECE for tires. What BS, and IMO, only a fool, even extremely wealthy, would consider such a car.
The Audi R8/R10 is a limited production car thus the reason for the high price car made in limited production and the same is the case for tires that are commonly seen on high end exotic performance cars. Posers even with the near correct demensions don't seem to get this for they seem to skip out on high end wheels and reach for the cheapest wheels which is a dead give-away especially on L640 or Murcielogos. As for the other style Lamborghini's you can somewhat get away with it because the original cars had 16-17" wheels.
In my opinion, it's a dog and poney show for a replica owner. The can't afford the original nor can they afford a high end replica so they opt for the cheapest mass produced replica on the market-a kit that is so far off the mark, but contains slight iconic features with badges. Why do they do it? They want the name, the recognition, & notoriety regardless of how cheap the kit may be. Sad. Instead of using their imagination and creating something new they's rather ride the coat tails of Ferrari and lamborghini.
In my opinion, it's a dog and poney show for a replica owner. The can't afford the original nor can they afford a high end replica so they opt for the cheapest mass produced replica on the market-a kit that is so far off the mark, but contains slight iconic features with badges. Why do they do it? They want the name, the recognition, & notoriety regardless of how cheap the kit may be. Sad. Instead of using their imagination and creating something new they's rather ride the coat tails of Ferrari and lamborghini.
Sad that everyone in the world doesn't have tons of money to have an EXACT replica or "Madcurl Imagination" to create something. No If it makes them happy - Who the He ll cares - you do - that's what SAD - you keep going and going for what - unbelievable!
You miss the point about the Audi. There is no car in the entire world that can jusify a 2500 dollar headlight to me.
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The Audi R8/R10 is a limited production car thus the reason for the high price car made in limited production and the same is the case for tires that are commonly seen on high end exotic performance cars.
If the R8/R10 shared the headlights with other models (like Nissan 300Z/Lamborghini Diablo) then the price of the the lights might be lower otherwise, but that what makes the Audi unique (similar to what BMW was known for the "angel eyes"). Besides, if they were $300 bucks everybody would have them.
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madcurl Member
Posts: 21401 From: In a Van down by the Kern River Registered: Jul 2003
. Stores in Kentucky are not in Ohio. I dont know who owns any area franchises now. Maybe they are in a new location. The people who bought my friends franchise ran it out of business and work in other restaurants now. I think one of them does work from my friends Rooster franchise out of Louisville, Ky. Maybe the couple in Ohio, if they are open, are out of an Indianapolis franchise. I believe the original Ohio franchise was RMD Corp.
Here we go...
