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fieroX is finally getting color, after 7 years of being a disaster by fieroX
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Report this Post09-28-2009 12:35 AM Click Here to See the Profile for fieroXClick Here to Email fieroXSend a Private Message to fieroXDirect Link to This Post
new pics for today. Final clear is done. Everything turned out excellent. I am very impressed with the soft clear's finish. It is the exact look I was going for.

Tomorrow we will start putting it back together, should have it back to my shop by Tuesday, and have the new turbo setup finished by Friday. Saturday morning its getting tuned in Oklahoma, and on the 10th it will be at the track.

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it was sanded with 800 grit, and the Alsa satin clear was applied. I am very impressed with its strength. I sprayed some on a test piece and let it dry for 2 days. I tried to key it and it was very resilient to being scratched.

Here is the finish with the flat clear. It was still tacky at this point, so it will flatten some more. Will have the final pics up in a few days.




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:O I'm curious about that roof scoop. Just for show? It looks great!
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Nice! Love the scoop on the roof, is it functional?
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yeah it is functional. I have vents in my headliner that I can open and close to let air in. It actually works very well to keep air moving through the car. Since I took all the AC equipment out to save weight, it does great to cool things off.
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I want that hood.
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Report this Post09-28-2009 01:06 AM Click Here to See the Profile for fieroXClick Here to Email fieroXSend a Private Message to fieroXDirect Link to This Post
Ill build you one just like it, but it wont be cheap
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Looking forward to it X! I think it's cool that your girl's helping you out too-- what a trooper.

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Sweet Orange!!! Keep up the good work
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actually E85 will net more power than gasoline. This is because you have to add almost 40% more fuel at WOT to compensate for the alcohol. 1.4 gallons of E85 compared to 1 gallon of gasoline actually has more BTU's of heat energy. This will actually net about 5-8% more hp with no other mods taken into consideration. Now with the anti detonation properties of E85 I will be able to run more boost and more timing without having to worry about my engine getting knock. We are expecting somewhere in the range of 530-550 wheel hp.


Actually the BTU's are the same if you are comparing 1.56 gallons of E85 to 1.0 gallons of gasoline. E85 has 80,000 BTU's per gallon and gasoline has 124,000 BTU's. So you would use 1.56 gallons of E85 to travel the same distance as 1 gallon of gasoline.

E85 on a newer "Flex-Fuel" vehicle has less power and lower MPG while E85 is less than $0.10 cheaper than regular gasoline.

I understand that E85 typically runs 100 to 105 octane, But with some Sunoco 260/100 (100 octane) or some Sunoco 111 (105 octane) You should have the same anti detonation properties as E85 but more BTU's by volume. So you can run the same boost and get the same power out of the engine with less fuel.

BTW ~ The paint job is looking GREAT!

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e85 will make less power given the "mathematically correct" AFR, and the same timing as before. It does have a bunch more headroom to make power via more boost, timing, and leaner AFRs.

It is a very optimistic assumption to say that given the same conditions E85 makes more power. But do not interpret this as a bash, as there is plenty of gains to be had tweaking and tuning e85.

I still stand by the fact that the amount i race my car, I can afford the Q16 for $16 a gallon, and make more power, and make it with less worries of going blowing things up during a mistake/failure, than I would with E85. I also make plenty of power on the street to kill off just about anything from a stoplight or on the eway, that I dont want to take the hit of worse gas mileage.
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Actually the BTU's are the same if you are comparing 1.56 gallons of E85 to 1.0 gallons of gasoline. E85 has 80,000 BTU's per gallon and gasoline has 124,000 BTU's. So you would use 1.56 gallons of E85 to travel the same distance as 1 gallon of gasoline.

E85 on a newer "Flex-Fuel" vehicle has less power and lower MPG while E85 is less than $0.10 cheaper than regular gasoline.

I understand that E85 typically runs 100 to 105 octane, But with some Sunoco 260/100 (100 octane) or some Sunoco 111 (105 octane) You should have the same anti detonation properties as E85 but more BTU's by volume. So you can run the same boost and get the same power out of the engine with less fuel.

BTW ~ The paint job is looking GREAT!



actually 87 octane may have 124,000 BTU's of energy, but we all know this fuel is comparing apples to hockey sticks. 110 octane has a much less BTU rating than 87 octane, this is why it has anti detonation properties. Plus BTU's arent measured per gallon of fuel. They are measured by the pound. This is taken from VP fuels website.

"In the case of the alcohol fuels, like Methanol and Ethanol, since they are partially oxidized fuels they need to be run at much richer mixtures than gasoline. As a consequence the total amount of fuel burned per cycle, counter balances the lower energy per unit volume, and the net energy released per cycle is higher. If gasoline is run at its preferred max power air fuel mixture of 12.5:1, it will release approximately 19,000 BTU of energy, where ethanol run at its preferred max power mixture of 6.5:1 will liberate approximately 24,400 BTU, and Methanol at a 4.5:1 AFR liberates about 27,650 BTU'"

Also its not just the octane that allows E85 to work wonders. BTW they rate it at 100 or 104 octane, and octane is actually a long strain (8 strain hence "oct") hydrocarbon. Well ethanol doesnt have hydrocarbons, its a corn based alcohol. Yeah 15% of it is gasoline, but I doubt they are putting 100 octane unleaded in with the ethanol and calling it 100 octane. You are getting alot more than 100 octane fuel, you are getting the cooling effect of the alcohol working for you. In a natural aspirated car you might lose power, unless you raise the compression ratio and have a cam that is optimized for ethanol. Now on a boosted car you can do some crazy things that you wouldnt necessarily think would be safe. I know guys running E85 on 5.0 mustangs with no intercooler, running 18 pounds of boost and making 1000 hp with a blow thru carb and drive them on the street. The stuff is amazing, not to mention being only $2.09 a gallon, compared to $8.60.

Thanks for the kind words about the paint job. We worked really hard to get the body and paint where it is now. Finally its paying off.
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I'm liking that black. I'm wanting to black out my entire car in a matte black close to that some day.
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Yeah 15% of it is gasoline, but I doubt they are putting 100 octane unleaded in with the ethanol and calling it 100 octane.


I thought it worked the other way around and 15% of E85 was alcohol?
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I thought it worked the other way around and 15% of E85 was alcohol?


E85 means 85% ethanol. You will see E10 marked on a lot of pumps. This is the standard for gasoline now since they replaced MTBE with Ethanol. Hope this helps.
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one of my favorite paint scheme. very nice!
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Very nice!
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Originally posted by darkhorizon:

I can afford the Q16 for $16 a gallon.....that I dont want to take the hit of worse gas mileage.


not to bash, but this is totally contradictory.
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I forgot to make it clear that when I race, I will put in the race gas... but i drive my car 6-7 days a week, so I will put regular 93 octane in otherwise. 93 octane vs e85 in terms of miles per dollar around here, e85 is more expensive.

I have 2 wally's in tank now, so I may start running the corn full time on the street if I get bored.
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how much is E85 up there? see we dont have 93 down here, just 91. Its gay.

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Originally posted by fieroX:

how much is E85 up there? see we dont have 93 down here, just 91. Its gay.



93 = 2.60, e85 = 2.20-2.40

It is typically like 1 or 2 cents lower than regular, some stations have it for about 20 cents less than regular. We had 94 up until a few weeks ago....
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Looks great, can't wait to see it after you put it all back together. I've been bouncing back and forth between orange and black as to what color to go with when i'm ready. I like this shade of orange hmmmm but the black looks good too.....
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E85 means 85% ethanol. You will see E10 marked on a lot of pumps. This is the standard for gasoline now since they replaced MTBE with Ethanol. Hope this helps.


Okay! I had it backwards LOL.
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Looking great . Love to where your going whit this Going to come out nice whit evrything I seen so far . good job and also for your girlfriend a + for to help out .

Rob

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Running 10s aside, that flat clear is pretty badass.
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Very nice, Ryan. I had considered a flat clear myself, especially after seeing my car in just basecoat. It has a very mellow, cool look to it. Can that 'velvet' clear be buffed out like standard clear?
By the way, are you going to OKC for the tuning session? Are you going to tow the car down there?

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I'm very interested to see how this pant job effects the Fiero Warehouse 355 nose. I have the same nose for my car, and like a lot of people, the only complaint I have about it is the "droopy-ness" of it - especially when the nose if the same colour as the rest of the fiero.

I see the upper black follows the lines of the car and continues across the top of the nose. Doing that appears to provide a visual "connect" that brings the nose and the rest of the Fiero body all together.

It looks great and keep posting pics - especially of the nose

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Originally posted by Fiero_Adam:

Very nice, Ryan. I had considered a flat clear myself, especially after seeing my car in just basecoat. It has a very mellow, cool look to it. Can that 'velvet' clear be buffed out like standard clear?
By the way, are you going to OKC for the tuning session? Are you going to tow the car down there?



The flat clear cant really be buffed. Doesnt need to be. It takes so long to dry it totally flows out smooth. There is no orange peel. We are trailering the car down. Amirs car will be here too. You should come up to Hennessey and hang out with us.
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what is the cool thing about Alsa paint? what makes it different than the others? The only thing I know is that they have the chrome paint. its pretty damn nice.
your paint job is nice too. good job man.
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Moar picktoors naow!
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what is the cool thing about Alsa paint? what makes it different than the others? The only thing I know is that they have the chrome paint. its pretty damn nice.
your paint job is nice too. good job man.


What makes the paint different is the quality of the materials. I use their chrome paint and it works just like the demo on the website. They also are innovators with new color shift paints as well as heavy flake paints that change color and give you the "rainbow" effect. The flat clear that is on his car, I believe, makes it feel like you are touching a big piece of rubber......if I'm not mistaken

Make sure to see the "soft feel" in the left column.
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Originally posted by fieroX:

yeah it is functional. I have vents in my headliner that I can open and close to let air in. It actually works very well to keep air moving through the car. Since I took all the AC equipment out to save weight, it does great to cool things off.


Do you have pics of this somewhere? I may want to do something similar after removing the AC.

BTW, the car looks great!
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looks great.
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Hennessey, really? What's there?
I would like to come down and hang out, but I have to work that day. What a crappy time to start working Saturdays. What time are you guys gonna be there? Maybe you could make a slight detour to the west and come here. J/K of course.
If you're heading back Saturday evening, I could probably meet you near Blackwell (right off I-35). I could get my wheels from you if you have room to bring them.
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Its lookin good! Don't think the paint process needs any changes. The sanded clear substrate really helped the soft touch clear "flow" and eliminated the need for polishing since it was just recoated. Im excited to try it on some other cars and who knows, maybe cocktail it with some crazer. Wicked!

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With that textured paint, everybody will want to touch your car.
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need..more....pictures.......can't ....wait........much.........longer
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Looks great , now it will really look the part when you have to go set the myth busters straight
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havent got any new pictures yet. the hood and decklid are still at the body shop. I have the car back at my shop and I just finished the exhaust today. The turbo setup will be all done tomorrow. Then the hood and decklid will arrive tomorrow afternoon. I will have some pictures and possibly video saturday after the dyno. we arent putting the bumper back on until it gets back from the dyno. it wont load on the trailer with it on.

hang tight guys. it will be all done next week. The show with HPP mag is on the 10th.
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Originally posted by Fiero_Adam:

Hennessey, really? What's there?
I would like to come down and hang out, but I have to work that day. What a crappy time to start working Saturdays. What time are you guys gonna be there? Maybe you could make a slight detour to the west and come here. J/K of course.
If you're heading back Saturday evening, I could probably meet you near Blackwell (right off I-35). I could get my wheels from you if you have room to bring them.


Not sure what time we will be heading back. Probably be back on the road before 3. We plan to get there by 9 and have 2 cars, not expecting more than 3 hours each. We will probably have the room to bring them, but if you arent going to be around until late, it wont be worth bringing them.

Too bad you have to work, its going to be an interesting time.
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