So is there any pluses or minuses to the cross drilled rotors over the standard rotors? I hear people saying the cross drilled ones have a tendency to crack from the heat and others saying they dont. Is there much of a performance difference in the 2 rotors or is it mainly a appearance issue? I was just curious if anyone else with cross drilled rotors have ever had any trouble. Let me know, I'm still pondering here after seeing those nice cross drilled/sloted ones
So is there any pluses or minuses to the cross drilled rotors over the standard rotors? I hear people saying the cross drilled ones have a tendency to crack from the heat and others saying they dont. Is there much of a performance difference in the 2 rotors or is it mainly a appearance issue?
I have cross drilled rotors on both my 88s and I didn't notice any performance change before or after compared to stock rotors. For me it's mostly about the looks. As for cracking I have not experienced that at all, so I would have to say that isn't a problem, although if not done properly it could be a problem.
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Yeah the cross drilled ones do look good. How much extra for shipping and everything is it going to be. I already sent $400 if I remember right. Let me know Bobby.
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After they are done I am going to have the packages weight amount and get a group rate, I hope to have them shipping out within 3 weeks at the latest because shipping rates are going up because fuel is going up soon. I am not sure how much its going to be, if you ask for a guess ($40 to 80)?
I did have a big cheesie smile most of the day after opening one!!!
Also guys I would just want to pass on I maybe hard to get ahold of for a week, my mother fill today and broke her leg. She is having surgery Saturday morning and I will have to keep looking in on her afterward. Those of you that don't have my phones can e-mail me for them if you need them?
Not only do I have almost everyones e-mail, I have everyones address and most of the guys phone numbers. Like you Tim, I have all # 3 way of getting ahold of you if I needed. P.S. I am not the one that called late last night asking if your frig. was running..haha ------------------ Bobby from NW Indiana 93 Northstar and 5 speed Getrag 219customs@verizon.net My 86 GT build thread MY 88 Northstar build thread
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Hey guys my mother board fried the other day and I got the computer back but its not working right. I will not be online much for the next week, but you can all call me and I will try to post info. when I can.
I think I have lost my user name right now, I had my computer cash. Don't worry I had everyones info saved for this package deal. I did loss alot of needed stuff, oh well life goes on! My e-mail is 219customs@verizon.net or gsxrbobby@yahoo.com
I'm back up, Cliff was able to help with my account....anyway. Almost everything here is back to normal, I had a few people wite wondering if I lost your guys information when my computer crashed and I just wanted to add on here I had everyones info. backed up and saved so no worries there.
I am going over to the machine shop tomorrow "Monday afternoon", I will post an update when I return.
Please do. I threw away my old 88 rotors waiting on the new ones. I have to stop somehow. Hurry! Haha
Well I just got off the phone and the inner rings are done, the brackets should be back completed this week is what he was told. And he was going to wait until the second order of rotors came in to start redrilling them but I am going to have him start on them now so we can just get the first half of the orders filled and I will just pay a second set up fee.
Still think you're going to have an extra set of rears available. I missed the whole prepay thing as I wasn't planning on a rear 88 cradle until after. Oh well...
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I have found a small problem that may lead into a bigger problem and I am going to pass this along just as an incase issue! I have found that after the brake upgrade is installed, when the steering is turned all the way to one side it may or may not allow the rubber brake line to just touch and I am worried over time it may or may not wear through a rubber hose line. If it is replaced with a braided steel brake line it will not be enough to wear through and the braided brake lines can also be mounted at a different angle non like the rubber lines. It may not touch on most Fieros, I just want this to be as safe as possible.
Also I have had others call me in the last few days that have done other larger brake upgrades from other companies and other people and they have have the same trouble with the brake lines, so again this may not be the case for your Fiero, and it hasn't been an issue on most but I am going to be better safe then sorry. Also again, I am doing this as a favor and I am not going to be responsable for anything gone wrong with this upgrade, anything at all. I am doing this as a private person that was doing this for myself and just wanted to lower the cost by having other join in.
A second issue is installing these 12" rotor on a car that isn't desided for this large of a rotor, there maybe a clearance problem that can be fixed by lefting the cars front susp. and a small turn of the spring will help with that problem if you have one. Also my brackets were made to be installed on a stock 88 Fiero front and rear susp., so have anything other then OEM parts there maybe other issues with the parts fitting. They are as large as I could go without making other changes.
Again, I just wanted and felt I needed to pass this along to everyone. I don't see this as a large issue but I am just being better safe then sorry! If this doesn't clear up the problem then call me or write me. Most of you now have my phone numbers and all of you have my e-mail address. Robert Anker 219 Customs 219customs@verizon.net
Just got off the phone with the machine shop we should be shipping later this week, the rings are done, the rotors are done and the brackets are getting completed as we speak.
I was going to get a deal on the bolts but the local guy I deal with is going to be gone for a few weeks on a cruise. Lucky ass, anyway I don't think you guys want to wait for his return. The bolts I used for the calipers are M12-1.75 X 55mm socket head cap screws ( caliper to adapter bolts) The adapter to knuckle bolts are M12-1.75 X 25mm socket head cap screws.
I am again going to strongly advise you guys to also use the stainless steel braided brake lines, I am still looking into getting a good price for those. As most of you know the stock brake caliper is used and using a high material brake pad is best and needed.
I am suppling everything else needed: the inner rotor rings, the calp. support bracket, and the 12" redrilled rotors.
I have found a small problem that may lead into a bigger problem and I am going to pass this along just as an incase issue! I have found that after the brake upgrade is installed, when the steering is turned all the way to one side it may or may not allow the rubber brake line to just touch and I am worried over time it may or may not wear through a rubber hose line. If it is replaced with a braided steel brake line it will not be enough to wear through and the braided brake lines can also be mounted at a different angle non like the rubber lines. It may not touch on most Fieros, I just want this to be as safe as possible.
Also I have had others call me in the last few days that have done other larger brake upgrades from other companies and other people and they have have the same trouble with the brake lines, so again this may not be the case for your Fiero, and it hasn't been an issue on most but I am going to be better safe then sorry. Also again, I am doing this as a favor and I am not going to be responsable for anything gone wrong with this upgrade, anything at all. I am doing this as a private person that was doing this for myself and just wanted to lower the cost by having other join in.
A second issue is installing these 12" rotor on a car that isn't desided for this large of a rotor, there maybe a clearance problem that can be fixed by lefting the cars front susp. and a small turn of the spring will help with that problem if you have one. Also my brackets were made to be installed on a stock 88 Fiero front and rear susp., so have anything other then OEM parts there maybe other issues with the parts fitting. They are as large as I could go without making other changes.
Again, I just wanted and felt I needed to pass this along to everyone. I don't see this as a large issue but I am just being better safe then sorry! If this doesn't clear up the problem then call me or write me. Most of you now have my phone numbers and all of you have my e-mail address. Robert Anker 219 Customs 219customs@verizon.net
The potential problems you mentioned is why I never passed my brake design onto others FIero owners. The design is full of potential problems to the unexperienced owner. If you think the posted statement would absolve you of any liability, you are kidding yourself. Like I posted before, it is just was not worth it. Sure everyone would tell you not to worry and they would not come after you if something happens. That is until something serious happens. But unless you have the proper llibility insurance, it would be hard to sleep at night. I did mention this in my post on page one. No flames please.
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Sweet Bobby. Looking forward to getting these put on with my engine going back in. Thank goodness I got stainless steel brake lines and fieroX is putting them on for me
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The potential problems you mentioned is why I never passed my brake design onto others FIero owners. The design is full of potential problems to the unexperienced owner. If you think the posted statement would absolve you of any liability, you are kidding yourself. Like I posted before, it is just was not worth it. Sure everyone would tell you not to worry and they would not come after you if something happens. That is until something serious happens. But unless you have the proper llibility insurance, it would be hard to sleep at night. I did mention this in my post on page one. No flames please.
Here you go thanks Phil, if that doesn't work I have some change in my pocket, thats about all you'll get if we go to court. And don't worry I don't see anybody handing out flames for a worry of yours, its a risk I took just to try to be the nice guy here. But then again you know what they say about nice guys....
I just got off the phone with the machine shop, he is putting on an update class today and after that I am going down there to pick up the first set to go get the weight and shipping prices, and also see about some other shipping ideas I though about. Also I do not have it confirmed yet but I the guy I talked to said I maybe able to start shipping tomorrow, I will post more tonight.
Well I went to the machine shop and the UPS store today. The first order is complete, all the rings are cut and all the brackets are made. I have the second order of rotors coming next Monday. The first order of rotors are all redrilled and we are already to start shipping soon. Tomorrow I am going to do a little coat of paint on the brackets just so they don't rust, they are going to be done in black.
I also got the first prices for shipping, the UPS store wasn't bad. I am having a second price list made from another account to try to get you guys a better price. Right now we are looking at $60 to $100 for shipping depending on were your located at. If anybody has a better idea or has there own account let me know!!! I will be glad to not take money and just ship them to you. We are looking at a 12"X12"X18" box that the weight is 65lbs. total.
The UPS Store is the worst choice for shipping. People thing thay are dealing direct with UPS when they go to a UPS Store but they are all independant franchisors to UPS. They charge a minumum of $25.00 labor fpr packing each box plus materials. If you're putting 12" rotors in a box 12x12x18 then you better pack them yourself the UPS Store will insist on 4" of packing material on top bottom & sides. Any less packing than thet then any insurance you buy from UPS, for damage, will not be paid because of "Improper Packing".
The published rates for 65# from Chicago goes like this.....
Florida Zip 33326 Fort Laud. 28.00 L.A. Zip 90023 = 33.00 Portland OR Zip 97224 = 32.00
If your Goal is to save these people some serious $$$, then you could go buy boxes & packing materials http://www.uline.com/ & pack them yourself. Once they are packed you can take them to any UPS Dispatch Depot & ship them over the counter for the published rates.
Also.... I just did a FedEx check... you could ship them in the 12x12x18 at 65 lbs... from Florida (couldn't remember your zip so i just entered one in FL / clear across the states from me)
$41.03 to my door with Acknowledgement of delivery (so you don't have people playing dumb saying their set didn't arrive)
UPS wanted to charge me double what Fedex offered me when I shipped my center console across the states
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The UPS Store is the worst choice for shipping. People thing thay are dealing direct with UPS when they go to a UPS Store but they are all independant franchisors to UPS. They charge a minumum of $25.00 labor fpr packing each box plus materials. If you're putting 12" rotors in a box 12x12x18 then you better pack them yourself the UPS Store will insist on 4" of packing material on top bottom & sides. Any less packing than thet then any insurance you buy from UPS, for damage, will not be paid because of "Improper Packing".
The published rates for 65# from Chicago goes like this.....
Florida Zip 33326 Fort Laud. 28.00 L.A. Zip 90023 = 33.00 Portland OR Zip 97224 = 32.00
If your Goal is to save these people some serious $$$, then you could go buy boxes & packing materials http://www.uline.com/ & pack them yourself. Once they are packed you can take them to any UPS Dispatch Depot & ship them over the counter for the published rates.
Archie
I didn't know that, thanks alot. And yes I want this to be as low as possible...I don't want to pull an Ebay thing and make money on shipping, thats just cheap!!! Again Archie thanks for the help, A friend is looking at having them shipped from work at there rate so we'll see tomorrow what he came up with.
I am also waiting to hear from a friend that has a family member that works at FedEx....we'll see.
The potential problems you mentioned is why I never passed my brake design onto others FIero owners. The design is full of potential problems to the unexperienced owner. If you think the posted statement would absolve you of any liability, you are kidding yourself. Like I posted before, it is just was not worth it. Sure everyone would tell you not to worry and they would not come after you if something happens. That is until something serious happens. But unless you have the proper llibility insurance, it would be hard to sleep at night. I did mention this in my post on page one. No flames please.
I agree, that is why I am not interested. I am sorry but when you are providing a public product people will hold you responsible if something goes wrong. By posting "I am not liable for any problems" or whatever, to me that says there are potential problems and he doesn't want anything to do with them. Business doesn't work that way however. No flames, just my point of view.
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I agree, that is why I am not interested. I am sorry but when you are providing a public product people will hold you responsible if something goes wrong. By posting "I am not liable for any problems" or whatever, to me that says there are potential problems and he doesn't want anything to do with them. Business doesn't work that way however. No flames, just my point of view.
Well I'm not a business, I am a guy that needed something made, found a place to do, it was cheaper for me to have more made so I asked who wanted in. So...no flames.
Also I found an easy fix, I am going to use my step fathers business account to ship these out, and yes the prices are about half.
Also Joe "KissMySSFiero" has found a great rate for shipping through his work and is willing to help. (We need to give him an A+) I will be e-mailing rates here soon.
Well I'm not a business, I am a guy that needed something made, found a place to do, it was cheaper for me to have more made so I asked who wanted in. So...no flames.
Also I found an easy fix, I am going to use my step fathers business account to ship these out, and yes the prices are about half.
That's cool, it's nice that you are helping everyone out. I understand you aren't a business but in a sense you are, when you start making a product and selling them to consumers you are by every definition of the word a business. I just didn't feel a lot of confidence in your one post when you posted how you are liable for any problems. I am still considering your brackets, but I want to wait and see how everyone else does with them. Good luck, I really hope it works out because I would love the brake upgrade.
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That's cool, it's nice that you are helping everyone out. I understand you aren't a business but in a sense you are, when you start making a product and selling them to consumers you are by every definition of the word a business. I just didn't feel a lot of confidence in your one post when you posted how you are liable for any problems. I am still considering your brackets, but I want to wait and see how everyone else does with them. Good luck, I really hope it works out because I would love the brake upgrade.
Thanks for the support but I am done, I needed them made, so I asked for a head count. I had 21 guys wanting them. By the end of the make I had 27 sets made. I am not doing this again, I have spent way to much time doing this and not that there is alot by any count, all left over money is going to Cliff for the forum. I just wanted mine do cheaper, period!!!!
Well I shipped out 11 sets of packages today from the first order. If you have not checked your e-mail guys after paying for the shipping there is a tracking number sent. Also the brackets and rings are packaged in the rotors box, remember guys the cross drilled rotors are marked with a large L or R at the end of the stock number listed on one side of the box. If I have to tell anybody that the L and R mean right and left you shouldn't be doing this brake swap. Also the brackets are not marked but when they are placed up there you will see which is for what side. The brackets have a primer coat on them only, you may want to paint them or even remove the primer and recoat.
I packaged these myself so I know for a fact that they are complete packages. I see most of them getting to each of you guys before the weekend if not sooner.
Good luck guys.....
The second order should be ready within this week, I will post more soon on that topic. When they are completed I will be sending each of you an e-mail, talk to you then.
No, I was going to get the bolts from a local guy at a deal but he has been gone for awhile. Buying bolts for everyone would have added up to over $40.00 to $50.00 out of my pocket. The bolts needed for the calipers are M12-1.75 X 55mm socket head cap screws (caliper to adapter bolts) The adapter to knuckle bolts are M12-1.75 X 25mm socket head cap screws.
Also if anybody finds a place that is selling ceramic pads for the 88 Fiero please post it here, I can't find a place.
Everyone I may have made a mistake with the cross drilled rotors when packing, everyone should look and be sure that they have 2 left sides and 2 rights? I had a guy buy a full package and a half package. I sent him 4 lefts and 2 rights, please everyone double check for me.
