I would just like to state that over the last 5yrs, I have been building the ultimate Fiero GT.
I have also used some helpful info from this forum, and I'm glad to see us keeping the fiero up to date and kicking ass. As for the fiero's main competition, the mr2 (mk1) or mk2 of the 90's still does not have as many customizing options compared to the fiero. ex...rebody a fiero into an exotic / with engine of your choice.
I have studied the mr2 and is level of engineered work that toyota has put into it and it makes me laugh. ex. air-intake routes though the trunk? fake engine louvers on engine lid? toilet handels for instrument switches? I know people with mr2s and they think that they have a far superior car.*? I live in Toronto and this is the year I will be at the track to kick some mr2 ass !!! ....and the mr2 guys said to call them Mister (mr-2) what a joke.

My Car: 1986.5 IMSA GT (street legal)
2.8 Fully Modified / Supercharged / intercooled ....300 Hp est. at 9psi
Full aero dymamics enhanced...C5R wing / air hood extractors etc
Pisa interior / digital guages / momo seats, 4 point harness...
Weight reduced by 250Lbs EST. 2550Lbs car weight.
Willwood 13" brakes full tubular sport suspension w/ coil-overs / 1"sway bars
Lambo doors, flush mount headlights / corvette tail lights
315 rear and 235 front tires on 17's
Weight distribution....48% front 52% rear
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This car can easily achieve over 1.0 lateral g's in a turn and over 3-4 g's braking. I wanted to build the ultimate handling car, and the fiero since it is mid-engine is perfect and it does not hold as many modification limits as from the engineers design as it does in a mr2.

The main reason why I have made this post is because I know 2 particular individuals who have a mk1 and another with mk2 and they both post negitive comments about the fiero on the mr2 board. These individuals have highly moded cars, but they both can't keep up in our class, nor do they have a car that can attract attention for its awsome looks as stock!

I do not spent much time on the net, but I will be at the track to represent.

Any mr2 wanna be fast cars are welcomed to be defeted no sweat !

well, Fiero's are easy to pick on. out the box, they are way to slow. Public already thinks they are fire bombs. and they look like you'd die if you hit an ant hill. you gotta do serious work to get any speed out of em. you're average punk isnt gonna have much luck with a Fiero. they are way to old. everything needs to be replaced. nothing scarier than a Fiero with a sloppy rear suspension.

I'm not raggin on Fiero's - I love mine. but, I know what I had to do to it. any car can be made to beat any other car - and then - theres always someone faster. anyways - have fun stomping them MR2's

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1985 Fiero SE - Plain Red V6 Coupe
3.1 Crane 272 MSD 4.10-4spd
D.A.M.M. - Drunks Against Mad Mothers

You'll find on this board a few people that are fans of the MR2 as well as the Fiero, which includes me. Anyone who puts down either car does not realize that both sides have a very unique car.

As for the exotic kits, you can get the F355 kit for the second gen, and also a member on this board that owns a first gen MR2(Bill I believe) has put a Northstar V8 into it.

u are in TO? I am too.
uh...hm, I have yet to hear of this car/buildup and would be interested in seeing your car on the road and how it does......
(I too frequent most track with my Fiero GT). where are u from in TO & 315 tires...? damn...how?
yes, we have to show those MR2's how it's done....

quote Originally posted by 2EXTREME: My Car: 1986.5 IMSA GT (street legal) 2.8 Fully Modified / Supercharged / intercooled ....300 Hp est. at 9psi Full aero dymamics enhanced...C5R wing / air hood extractors etc Pisa interior / digital guages / momo seats, 4 point harness... Weight reduced by 250Lbs EST. 2550Lbs car weight. Willwood 13" brakes full tubular sport suspension w/ coil-overs / 1"sway bars Lambo doors, flush mount headlights / corvette tail lights 315 rear and 235 front tires on 17's Weight distribution....48% front 52% rear ...

I'm dusting off the bullshit flag for this one. Post pics with a newspaper on the hood, and I'll post a pic of me eating a bug.

quote Originally posted by stimpy: I'm dusting off the bullshit flag for this one. Post pics with a newspaper on the hood, and I'll post a pic of me eating a bug.

LOL, that is the best BS call I have ever read. Ballsy.

quote Originally posted by stimpy: I'm dusting off the bullshit flag for this one. Post pics with a newspaper on the hood, and I'll post a pic of me eating a bug.

I agree, also, do we need another Fiero vs. MR2 thread? I mean, do a search, you'll find plenty. I'd love to see some pics of this car as well.

Thanks for replying guys, and you both do have quite good remarks about my comments of fiero's beating mr2's in competition. As for rear suspension... I have an 88 rear with upgraded everything. This car can out handle anything I can think of that is in current production, induding a any lotus. This car is as good as it gets for handling / control at any speed on the road. As for modifiying cars, I also own a delorean and have already started customizing it. I plan to put air-suspenion on it by the end of this year. I just wanted to let people realize that some cars have more potential for modifing into a real race car, or a copy-cat / exotic replica. As for better and faster cars, I do agree but this is where money and prices are the factor. For the amount of customizing I preformed on the fiero , I will admit it almost everthing remoded or replaced, but it can be done with less money and less structual change to the car. I did do research and the fiero was also the cheapest GTU race car to build back in the 80's. This car is not a full out race car, but streetable enough to get me to the track and have some fun.

quote Originally posted by stimpy: I'm dusting off the bullshit flag for this one. Post pics with a newspaper on the hood, and I'll post a pic of me eating a bug.

I'm with you stimpy! Funny how every so often people sign up on this forum and post something like this. Then we never here of them or see pics again.

By the way, MR2's can be made to be just as fast, if not faster than the fastest Fiero here. I know they have been in the 10's, wich has not been done by a transvers mounted mid engine fiero.

I used to own a 92 MR2 and it was a damn nice car and solidly reliable.

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Custom Gun Metal 86 GT 4.9 V8 5spd

Build up tread or MODS w/ Pics

quote Originally posted by 2EXTREME: Thanks for replying guys, and you both do have quite good remarks about my comments of fiero's beating mr2's in competition. As for rear suspension... I have an 88 rear with upgraded everything. This car can out handle anything I can think of that is in current production, induding a any lotus. This car is as good as it gets for handling / control at any speed on the road. As for modifiying cars, I also own a delorean and have already started customizing it. I plan to put air-suspenion on it by the end of this year. I just wanted to let people realize that some cars have more potential for modifing into a real race car, or a copy-cat / exotic replica. As for better and faster cars, I do agree but this is where money and prices are the factor. For the amount of customizing I preformed on the fiero , I will admit it almost everthing remoded or replaced, but it can be done with less money and less structual change to the car. I did do research and the fiero was also the cheapest GTU race car to build back in the 80's. This car is not a full out race car, but streetable enough to get me to the track and have some fun.

PICS?!

As for pics, I don't have any current. The car is currently in primer, and will be painted black within a month. I did deal with the fiero shop in T.O. for the suspension, and RSM for the vortech charger install. This is the real deal ! I'm just using the cheapest most econmical car I could find to get total performance rather than just short run speed.

quote Originally posted by 2EXTREME: As for pics, I don't have any current.

GASP!!!

Stimpy called it.. you saw it here first

quote Originally posted by datacop: GASP!!! Stimpy called it.. you saw it here first

LOL, it's hard to believe something to that extreme without pictures. For someone who can spend $1600 on lambo hinges, they surely could afford a digi-cam and post some pics for us Fiero lovers to see! I know I would if my car was like that.

I usally don't post threads, because this car has been in build up untill now. I will be going to cayuga race trace this year, and also the delorean car show in london onatrio.
The car is an Imsa body fastback, the last to come from IRM. I think I do know 3.8T, are you the one that races at mosport? I don't usually chat on the net, but I out there using this car, or driving my D.

quote Originally posted by stimpy: I'm dusting off the bullshit flag for this one. Post pics with a newspaper on the hood, and I'll post a pic of me eating a bug.

I agree, There is no way the car described exsists.
Especially how he removed 250lbs but added 17" wheels with 315 series tires, Wilwood 13" brakes, Larger sway bars, a supercharger and intercooler, a C5R wing, and an IMSA fastback wide body kit.

I have no idea why people compare a Fiero to the MR2? The ONLY things that makes the cars similar is the fact they have 2-seats and are mid-engine design. The MR2's are a smaller wheel base and lighter weight. Sounds more like he's trying to bait us into a "Forum war" with the MR2 guys.

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why the hell would you go through the trouble of supercharging the 2.8????????? atleast throw in a 3.4 block.

quote Originally posted by Oreif: Especially how he removed 250lbs but added 17" wheels with 315 series tires, Wilwood 13" brakes, Larger sway bars, a supercharger and intercooler, a C5R wing, and an IMSA fastback wide body kit.

Very good point. This actualy sounds more like someone with an 84 2M4 and a lot of dreams.

I don't want to start any wars, but I made this thread also to announce that this fiero is here, and finnally 5yrs of work done. Most mr2 owners are part following of the import craze, and feel fieros are just fire-bombs. I built this car first of all for my personal enjoyment, and also because the car had much more to offer than any other car at / near its cost price. Most owners of fast cars typically speak of 1/4 performance when a bike can beat that for price. Owners of mr2s that I know do believe their japenese cars are a better quality / engineered platform v.s. a fiero and this is not true. Like I have mentioned before that money can buy most performance gains, but only a proper balanced car can perform for total performance.

quote Originally posted by Oreif: I agree, There is no way the car described exsists. .... Sounds more like he's trying to bait us into a "Forum war" with the MR2 guys.

My thoughts as well. Probably an MR2 owner. Cool cars, though.

I should add to 2EXTREME, don't take any of this personally. If indeed you are what you say, you should understand how much the people on this forum know about Fieros. When someone shows up making claims like yours, pictures are quite expected. My car is nothing like the one you describe but I have tons of pics of mine. Surely you understand why your story would be doubted without pictures.

[This message has been edited by 87GTSleeper (edited 03-25-2005).]

What did you get rid of, to reduce 250lbs, after adding all that extra weight(bigger rims, breaks, body kits, wing, interior)?

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You do know that the MR2 (mainly the 2ed gen) that I speak of is very well engineered and balanced car with an endless aftermarket.

I have also seen a new quad cam V6 from a camry swaped into one with a TRD supecharger and a 5 speed as well as other mods.
That may not be very cheap but a damn nice car if you ask me.

[This message has been edited by Black-Azz-GT (edited 03-25-2005).]

Also I wanted to keep the fiero a Fiero, and not a kit car. The car still looks fiero with its body style, and the engine is original so its true to its name in function and not a hybrid of another power source. I can't say the exact cost of this build, but its over $40.000 can. invested. I have also owned 3 other fieros in the past. My first car was a 88gt, but I crashed it after 1yr. I since then owned 2 other daily drivers 84 2m4, and 87GT, which I both crashed and will be selling parts. If my dreams are to come true, then that is simply to get some respect for the fiero and what it can really do.

My friend had a 87 i think? MR2. It was pretty cool but it couldn't keep up with my 2.8 85se with a 4speed. I thought it had more of a box look compared to the fiero

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prowling the pacific...

87 GT - V8 - 5 Speed

I always get a lotta smack talk from the MR2 guys here. Of course, I'm the only Fiero running in my area, so my little Iron Duke and his 5spd really can't meet the demand. Time for a new motor!!! ^_^ -Ben

As for mr2's engineered limits, it can not be modified be as low or wide as a fiero, nor can it hold an engine larger than 2.0 with cutting and using trunk space.... but I will admit that I am glad that their are other types of car people out their that enjoy 2 seat mid-engine driving. The mk1 and mk2 both have some benifits v.s. a fiero in design, but thats more for reliability and fuel mileage.

About your supercharged 2.8.......

What kind of supercharger are you running?
Where is it mounted?
Where is you intercooler mounted?
What kind of other internal-engine mods do you have?
What kind of headers/exhaust are you running?
What are you using for engine managment?

300hp is a lofty claim for a 2.8. Besides Steve Hess's (I think that's his name) I have never heard of a 2.8 approaching that number without some giggle-gas.

And why on earth did you stick with a 2.8 anyways?? You supposedly go and do everything else up to the 9's spending a rediculous amount of cash, and then you stick with the 2.8 when there are more than enough engine options to put you well over 300hp.

Your superchareged 2.8 is going to run 14's and be a little quicker than a stock MR2 turbo. Look at the 1/4 mile thread. I know you are interested in more than just 1/4 mile times, but I beleive that a MR2 can handle just as well as a Fiero and I would bet it is alot more stable at high speeds. And for 40k could by a used Z06 and smoke the car you want to build all day long on any track. So I guess you are not doing the most economical thing.

quote Originally posted by DotTC: What did you get rid of, to reduce 250lbs, after adding all that extra weight(bigger rims, breaks, body kits, wing, interior)?

I'd question the same, since some of us have done this and tried to keep the car in stock trim.

The only way it could happen is with a complete stripping of the interior & all it's accessories.

quote Originally posted by AkursedX: About your supercharged 2.8....... What kind of supercharger are you running? Where is it mounted? Where is you intercooler mounted? What kind of other internal-engine mods do you have? What kind of headers/exhaust are you running? What are you using for engine managment? 300hp is a lofty claim for a 2.8. Besides Steve Hess's (I think that's his name) I have never heard of a 2.8 approaching that number without some giggle-gas. And why on earth did you stick with a 2.8 anyways?? You supposedly go and do everything else up to the 9's spending a rediculous amount of cash, and then you stick with the 2.8 when there are more than enough engine options to put you well over 300hp.

Same thing here, some of us who do this kind of work for a living know, and will be the first to tell you, it is NOT physically possible to get that kind of HP out of a 2.8........................simply cannot happen, even with cryogenics & heat treating parts.

quote Originally posted by 2EXTREME: I would just like to state that over the last 5yrs, I have been building the ultimate Fiero GT.

In keeping with Stimpy's theme here, just wondering if your Fiero is currently driveable?! You didn't mention that in your detailed description of your mods.

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Tim
Red 88 Formula Auto 2.8 100K+ Miles

Logic is a systematic method of coming to the wrong conclusion with confidence!

If you want everyone to get of your back, post some proof, otherwise all you say will not amount to a hill of beans. These guys want to see dragstrip time slips or even some dyno run curves. Im not afraid to post mine for all to see.

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I think that the idea of the existence of the car is perfectly reasonable. With suitable suspension mods on an '88 w/ IMSA body, 315 tires will fit, if everything is done to the max and clearances are carefully checked.
He stated that he's running an RSM/Vortech S/C, which means that since his car was a GT, he's ditched the A/C... weight reduction.

300 HP for a properly done supercharged 2.8 is not unreasonable, IMO.
2Extreme: how is it intercooled?
What is the MFG of your tubular suspension? Did you build it yourself?

Ever see any fast MkIII's? I worked with a friend of mine from flight school on his Mk III--built and turbo'd the engine and other mods... 280 rwhp with 2200# curb weight. Fast car. He's kingspyder on www.spyderchat.com

quote Very good point. This actualy sounds more like someone with an 84 2M4 and a lot of dreams.

Hey! that sounds like me you're talking about

I agree though. If I claimed a Fiero with this much modding done to it I'd have done taken pictures from every degree.

34 degree *click!*, 35 degree *click!*, 36...

The car has a sabb 900 intercooler in the stock air canister location. As for using the 2.8, I just wanted to have the engine perform at 100% efficiency by not over-boosting for crazy power. I currently know a fiero gt owner that also has the vortech set-up / no-intercooler at 9psi and a n/a compreesion of 10:1. He mentioned it dyno 260-280 at the wheels. I have also seen turbo 2.8 intercooled (no forged pistions) run 13.4 all day long. These cars also have no weight reduction, were as I personally have removed over 250lbs of weight off the car.

how did u add all that extra weight and still loose weight?

When I started this thread I mentioned mk1 owners that bash the fiero. I personally know an owner that had 13.5 psi and no more than 240 engine horsepower. The car is quick, but it that is it. The computer could not even support the engine under load at low speed. He had a modded computer but the stock roots charger is also limited at 13.5psi. He is now currently installing a turbo 2.0 motor and trans. from a 97 mk2 for the crave of power and bragging rights . I believe for a car to have won the race, should be powered by its real given engine. I do understand the 2.8 is also limited in power, but thats what 3.8 are for...or even LT1. Now stick that in an mr2 ?

quote Originally posted by Korupt: how did u add all that extra weight and still loose weight?

And what exactly have you removed to loose the weight?

I personally weight ever part I took off. Total was 330 lbs, but put extra 80lbs back due to larger rims / tires, the hinges, the wing, and stereo. All looks complete, even the hood and rear deck was trimmed for weight. For a stock fiero chassis, there really is not much more that can be taken off ex. glass, or it would not appear to be street legal.

What parts exactly. Us fiero people would like to learn.

Nobody is going to take this car seriously until some pictures are posted.