yeah, i guess it is just an estimate. It could be closer to 600 hp, nobody really knows the exact number for driveline loss in one of these.
Find someone with a Mustang dyno. I found a place around here that went under quickly that had one of these, I did a search on the net to see what kind of dyno it was and found out it can calculate HP at the wheel as well as the crank. One of the cool features that it had was calculating your HP as you go faster and your car is subjected to wind drag and it figures out how that also affects your HP at the wheels as you are going faster.
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LucidityStudios Member
Posts: 152 From: Ludlow, PA, USA Registered: Feb 2005
That was/is a nice car, I am interested to see what those photos are when they are posted. Perhaps I am simply over skeptical. I do hope that its all true. :-) -Ezra
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DotTC Member
Posts: 2345 From: Hamlet, North Carolina Registered: Nov 2003
I know the car, i know the owner. Car exists with the mods mentioned! pics in a few days will prove it.
Martin
------------------ 89 supercharged MR2 with F/A head, cusco pulley, Water 2 Air IC, cusco adj ABV, cusco camber plates, coilovers, adj shocks, all suspention points terminate in rod ends.... lots more
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Posts: 2326 From: Florida Keys Registered: Oct 2003
------------------ 89 supercharged MR2 with F/A head, cusco pulley, Water 2 Air IC, cusco adj ABV, cusco camber plates, coilovers, adj shocks, all suspention points terminate in rod ends.... lots more
------------------ 89 supercharged MR2 with F/A head, cusco pulley, Water 2 Air IC, cusco adj ABV, cusco camber plates, coilovers, adj shocks, all suspention points terminate in rod ends.... lots more
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Mar 31st, 2005
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Posts: 101 From: Toronto,Ont. Registered: Feb 2004
Pics are on the way....The red fieroGT was my first car I owned and lasted one year and then ....totaled at more than 100mph. Afterwards, I bought the 86.5 GT you see in yellow that banditbalz also posted...(thanks). This is the same car that has now gone under the 5yr build-up.
P.S. Hey Marty, I thought you did not want anything to do with fieros but beat them?...... not......so you do want one now..... Starting to get the hang on this !
Pics are on the way....The red fieroGT was my first car I owned and lasted one year and then ....totaled at more than 100mph. Afterwards, I bought the 86.5 GT you see in yellow that banditbalz also posted...(thanks). This is the same car that has now gone under the 5yr build-up.
P.S. Hey Marty, I thought you did not want anything to do with fieros but beat them?...... not......so you do want one now..... Starting to get the hang on this !
I'm looking to get one to drive from late Fall to early spring....and then park untill the next fall etc.... must be an 88 GT though, that bump steer scares me a little....
Martin
------------------ 89 supercharged MR2 with F/A head, cusco pulley, Water 2 Air IC, cusco adj ABV, cusco camber plates, coilovers, adj shocks, all suspention points terminate in rod ends.... lots more
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Posts: 8289 From: Oakville, Ontario, Canada Registered: Jun 2003
I'm looking to get one to drive from late Fall to early spring....and then park untill the next fall etc.... must be an 88 GT though, that bump steer scares me a little....
Martin
You're going to put an 88GT through our Canadian winter torture of salt roads and all that crap!!! Just buy a more common model if its going to be a winter car, the bump steer in previous models isn't scary or that noticable in daily winter driving.
2EXTREME: Man are you Patient. Bonus points for you man! There are tons of good guys on the forum here. And there is ALWAYS somebody on here that can help you solve any problem you could come across with a fiero. But what can I say when you bring something new forward and post it.......Things can get........Interesting. Everybody has an opinion and when it comes to fiero's this is the place to get EVERYBODY's opinion. GOOD or BAD. It's just the way it goes. It gets even tougher when there are no pics. NOT YOUR FAULT entirely but it just adds fuel to the fire. Next EVERYONE will want time slips and DINO charts. The most you can do is let everyone know what you are up to and walk away and just try to read the GOOD/POSITIVE posts. One of the reasons I like posting on here is to hear the good and bad and there is always lots of both. You should see what I went through when I posted pics of my '85 2m4 with a BrandNew mini scorpion wing on it (See SIG below) YIKES!
Man, I love you guys..........................I think it's time for my meds
------------------ 1985 2m4 Saskatoon, Sask Canada Visit the Saskatoon Fiero Club Website at http://www.freewebs.com/saskatoonfieros/ Come chat with us at our Forum http://saskfiero.suddenlaunch.com/
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MilleniumFiero Member
Posts: 1225 From: Pearl Harbor, Hawaii USA Registered: Dec 2002
I have seen and heard of 400hp+ fieros too often, but how many Mk1 / Mk2 can easily pull it off, I think not !
um dude ...hmm.how to brake to him.....ah....www.mr2ownersclub.com/quartermile/ some of the hp is faked but you get the general idea right(btw not being a total ass just posting for a friend .....see he has a 91mr2 turbo intercooled {it even has the dumba$$ body kit and coffe can muffler }and simply he kicked my fieros a$$ ...badly)
oh and btw i actually belive you about your fiero i hope you actualy have and if so you need to post pics of how the wide body kit looks and goes on (i want one but im looking for one thats not all ... well dumb i would like the sides of a fierari basicaly)
LETS SEE THE PICS ANY PICS
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Posts: 2326 From: Florida Keys Registered: Oct 2003
We build stuff for both the MR2 and the Fiero, mainly high flow intakes and I'm very partial to my 86 Fiero GT, however having worked on both types, our cars are a generation behind when it comes to techno. And you can get more out of the MR2 4 banger than you think. Juts look at the MR2 my built at trueleo.com. It and got picked by Sport Compact mag as one of their top 10 ultimate street cars. It put out over 540HP and reved to around 12K! He did all that without the bottle and one turbo and lots of DIY custom mods. The rest of car was also awsume, huge brakes, great body work etc. If I eventualy get my Fiero half as fast and nice looking I'll be very happy. Yes we can compete with them, and yes, in my opion, Fieros look much cooler, but though I hate to admit it, they are made better and they have one very big advantage that we cannot match, you can get a posi rear and have both both wheels grab. On a road cause that my not be too big a deal, on a drag strip.............
Originally posted by Francis T: , they are made better and they have one very big advantage that we cannot match, you can get a posi rear and have both both wheels grab. On a road cause that my not be too big a deal, on a drag strip.............
funny - the only time i have a problem with one wheel spinning is when turning - always leaves 2 even black stripes going straight. and we do have a couple of limited slip options
Ah ToonTown.. you seem to have the best point and comment to this thread, and it is also the reason why I am here. I do not normally do this stuff posting threads and talking to people about my fiero, but the only reason why I posted this thread was to let the fiero community know of such a build-up with thanks to those people that do post good info on this forum, which let to help for me building my car. Proof is in mail, and on its way.
P.S. Mr. M.....your mr2 is perfect for a winter beating! And thats the bottom line ___________________________________________________________________
here is an 1.6 motor with a turbo. It's in Australia. I think he is the fastest when it comes to the 1.6 liter.
go to videos and then go to march 03 2004 even pics. 2nd down the line is the red MR2. Martin
------------------ 89 supercharged MR2 with F/A head, cusco pulley, Water 2 Air IC, cusco adj ABV, cusco camber plates, coilovers, adj shocks, all suspention points terminate in rod ends.... lots more
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If I'm not mistaken that was shot on the 403 here in Toronto. Does anyone know who's Mister-2 that is, so I can avoid it at all costs?
That is Jeff's MR2. LB on the boards.... he claims to have 800hp at the wheels. I don't personally know the guy but, there are people who raced him with half the hp and were lest than 3-tenths of a second slower. He runs a shop in Markam, he is banned on the main Mr2 board now because of people loosing money and not getting parts.
Martin
------------------ 89 supercharged MR2 with F/A head, cusco pulley, Water 2 Air IC, cusco adj ABV, cusco camber plates, coilovers, adj shocks, all suspention points terminate in rod ends.... lots more
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Posts: 14278 From: Where you least expect me Registered: Jun 2000
go to "realper4mance.com" then go to video section. Go down the list to march 03 2004 event. It will be the second down the list, a red one....
Martin
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Will Member
Posts: 14278 From: Where you least expect me Registered: Jun 2000
The link above is of my car, and if you look closely you will realize that the car is a modified imsa kit (front bumper/fenders and moulding+ lights and hoods) and their is no bullshit attached. For my introduction to this forum speaking of a car that exists, and has all the goodies I mentioned, then everyone should take a closer look at all the pics and tell me what the hell am I bullshitting about?
This car is not about being the fastest fiero...its about ultimate handling / control, and still looks 100% Fiero but with total performance.
The link above is of my car, and if you look closely you will realize that the car is a modified imsa kit (front bumper/fenders and moulding+ lights and hoods) and their is no bullshit attached. For my introduction to this forum speaking of a car that exists, and has all the goodies I mentioned, then everyone should take a closer look at all the pics and tell me what the hell am I bullshitting about?
300 Hp est. at 9psi Weight reduced by 250Lbs EST. 2550Lbs car weight
Sorry, not seeing any of that.
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Posts: 101 From: Toronto,Ont. Registered: Feb 2004
The supercharger is set at 9psi...plus the engine is also fully modified.
The weight reduction is really done....
The only persons who will see the dyno and test weight will be the track officails for catagorizing my car to be put into its group of cars for Solo 1 tack racing.
This is not a daily (city) driver car anymore.
If proof is what people want to see, then they can build one of their own!
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stimpy Member
Posts: 8197 From: Salinas, CA Registered: Jan 2000
The supercharger is set at 9psi...plus the engine is also fully modified.
The weight reduction is really done....
The only persons who will see the dyno and test weight will be the track officails for catagorizing my car to be put into its group of cars for Solo 1 tack racing.
Which means you haven't done a dyno pull with it, and you haven't weighed it with a ton of fiberglass, big wheels, and modified hinges. So, how can you accurately state the hp and weight? You can't, you can only guess, which when a guess is stated as fact is [pssst] bullshit.
Don't get me wrong, it looks like a great project. Have fun with it.
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2EXTREME Member
Posts: 101 From: Toronto,Ont. Registered: Feb 2004
I do have a G- tech... I did weight every part that came off and that I put on, with a total weight as result. Only the track officals require a slip for Hp and scale in lb. for weight. I have the proof, stimpy U don't....
Now you can eat a bug. So What do you got? And if its not even close, I suggest then you stick it with your own kind.
P.S. Thanks 4 everyone who posts real comments, and keep the Fiero on top of the game.
What do I have? Well, I'll tell ya. 3800 series 2 running the stock 8lbs of boost. Now, why would I be skeptical that the 2.8 would turn 100 more wheel HP with 9 lbs of boost?
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Oreif Member
Posts: 16460 From: Schaumburg, IL Registered: Jan 2000
The supercharger is set at 9psi...plus the engine is also fully modified.
The weight reduction is really done....
The only persons who will see the dyno and test weight will be the track officails for catagorizing my car to be put into its group of cars for Solo 1 tack racing.
This is not a daily (city) driver car anymore.
If proof is what people want to see, then they can build one of their own!
People HAVE built a 2.8L and they have not gotten anywhere near 300hp with only 9psi of boost. It's just not going to happen with that engine. Dennis LaGrua has a custom built 3.4L turbo and he is only at around 250hp. Custom pistons, custom cam, etc. Do a search on "turbo 3.4L" and "Firebird", The guy had full custom heads with a better flowing 3.4L intake, 16psi of boost, huge intercooler, Racing gas, and a 62mm TB. He had about 320hp. With pump gas and the boost at 12psi (street mode) he only had 260hp. Now you want us to believe you have 300hp with a smaller engine, less boost, and a more restrictive intake?
As for weight, You may have removed 250lbs, but you've added it back easily with mods.
Are you going to tell the track officials you removed the front, rear, and side braces? Last time I checked, safety was a huge concern in any racing class. Removing major impact protection from a vehicle is not what they want. From the pics it looks like you have a modded turbo Fiero, But still no proof of your wild claims.
Do you know a guy with a silver 88 Formula who likes to do dounuts in parking lots?
The MR2 is a nice little car. After all, there is no higher compliment than mimickry, and we are driving North American Ferrari's after all, and the MR2 is an Oriental Fiero.
What the MR2 has that we don't is simply newer technology. Most of the Fiero family are using push rod or DOHC technology, but are reliant on cu.in., not high output. (Yes I know we use NOS and Turbo)
I see some writing on doing an Ecotech up to 800 hp, but by and large, the Fiero community is dealing with a collector car and if we want to go fast we up the cubic inches, add turbo, or NOS, not leading edge technology. - apologies to the exceptions
The rice burners are doing things differently and bully for them. They are trying to put Formula One technology on the street. The biggest difference is the bucks$$ they spend. I don't see many Fiero owners willing to shell out $10,000+ for an engine. If they did, we'd be seeing alot of 10 second Fieros.
The Fiero community are, for the most part, not street racers trying to emulate "the Fast and the Furious". We are mostly just hobbiests enjoying our chosen rides, on a budget.
However, most MR2's on the street will still get eaten by alot of Fiero's because most MR2's out there are not really tricked out and are just simple 4 bangers.
got boost? L67 in progress...
its always the ones you dont suspect
