quote Originally posted by Phil: Nobody is going to take this car seriously until some pictures are posted.

Give him time.. he's still searching the net for some

I don't know why people still insist on saying the Fiero is slow.

It's a mid 1980's car

A properly running GT with manual trans does the 1/4 mile in the 15 second range, that's on par and very respectable comparing it to other 1980's performace domestic cars such as Mustang, Camaro, etc from the same era.

As far as comparing the Fiero to the MR2?

Buy the book Pontiac Fiero - Performace Portfolio

It's has a lot of the info your looking for. There is a guy always selling them on eBay.

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As for weight reduction... all bumpers removed including in the door, all body pannels have been trimmed of access weight, momo seats, much of the front compartment is now aluminum with battery no spare tire or houseing. Fiberglass headlights, vent grills trimmed, aluminum brackets for body attachments... I understand people don't believe this car exists, but what do you say when my other car is a delorean. Check it out on www.odoc.ca I am posted as owning an 83 D Canadian edition and will be attending D shows. I seem to be one of few people that really does what whatever I feel, and this fiero has been my 5yr project and my delorean next for modifying my way. I don't state any bull, or what I whish I would do but never accomplish due to excuses. Ex. I wanted a delorean so I bought one, unlike most who dream, have the money, talk alot about some day, but never do it. Many people do talk, and its sad to say that because I can't post any pics, that I am full of it too. For people living in T.O. I will be around soon, and until then, I just might be able to let people know that the fiero is still going strong.

quote Originally posted by 2EXTREME: As for weight reduction... all bumpers removed including in the door, all body pannels have been trimmed of access weight, momo seats, much of the front compartment is now aluminum with battery no spare tire or houseing. Fiberglass headlights, vent grills trimmed, aluminum brackets for body attachments... I understand people don't believe this car exists, but what do you say when my other car is a delorean. Check it out on www.odoc.ca I am posted as owning an 83 D Canadian edition and will be attending D shows. I seem to be one of few people that really does what whatever I feel, and this fiero has been my 5yr project and my delorean next for modifying my way. I don't state any bull, or what I whish I would do but never accomplish due to excuses. Ex. I wanted a delorean so I bought one, unlike most who dream, have the money, talk alot about some day, but never do it. Many people do talk, and its sad to say that because I can't post any pics, that I am full of it too. For people living in T.O. I will be around soon, and until then, I just might be able to let people know that the fiero is still going strong.

Just because your other car is a Delorean we have to believe you have this Fiero?? You removed bumpers? So you cut the space frame? You do realize the IMSA fastback wide body kit weigh's more than a stock notchback body right? Removing the bumpers and side beams makes the car technically not street legal.
What exactly was done to the engine?

I still agree with Stimpy on this.

I am in the process of my rebuild 3800s/c, C5 brakes, coil-over, etc.

Swapping a Gen 3 3S-GTE engine into a Gen 2 MR2 is a very popular swap. A boost controller and they are at 300whp. I think after my rebuild I will still be struggling to keep up with my friends until I ditch the s/c for a turbo.

The imsa body is acutually about the same weight as the rear of a stock fastback. Keep in mind that the stock car has many individual pieces, and that have all those pieces attach with metal brackets + more screws that you can imagine. This is now a one piece rear clip and not 4pcs plus heavy tailights. Sreetalbility has been comprimised without no impact beams-bumpers. The car is not prepared for any collision, but its purpose is for track fun and not daily driving like most cars. No cutting was required of the frame to remove front+rear impact beams, but cutting in the doors is required to remove the side beams. This does not affect the structure or strength of the car unless if you care for a 8 mph impact or less. The car still has all visual componets required, including a function cataylitic, and all glass. Visually you could not tell that this car has as may mods done. Even the front bumper has a slight styling change, since I repoduced it in fiberglass with a larger front vent opening, but still looks stock at first glance. The front markers are now intake air openings for the brakes and markers are moved into the recessed lights. These are also the only 4 round recessed headlights I know of, formerly purchased through gary's customs. Also the front hood has been chopped, and vented for air flow from the radiator. I found removed 10 lbs of metal in the hood incuding the hood realease all metal.
I am now using just hood pins with locks. There is weight all over the car with most people overlook... the heater core, pipes + componets weigh about 15lbs.

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Fiberglass headlights?!

You wouldn't happen to be the guy i saw at the GTA show a few years back with the yellow fastback that had "GT extreme" graphics down the side? I thought the car looked kinda goofy. I think his name was Arnesto. Last I heard he lost his license for doing double the speedlimit on the highway...

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quote Originally posted by 2EXTREME: I believe for a car to have won the race, should be powered by its real given engine. I do understand the 2.8 is also limited in power

I beg to differ. Being first across the finish line wins the race. HOWEVER, since you are set on and heavily invested in using the 2.8, will you be using the new Trueleo intake manifold? I'd love to see before and after dyno results from swapping that onto a supercharged car.

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quote Originally posted by 2EXTREME: The car has a sabb 900 intercooler in the stock air canister location.

I'm guessing you have only 'guessed' you're gonna make 300hp. I hope you aren't thinking this intercooler is actually going to do any good.

You say you spared no expense, but used this intercooler? I'm a tight-wad, but even I sprung for a Spearco liquid intercooler.

Wal-Mart sells cheapo cameras. Go get one and post pics. Nobody is taking you serious.

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quote Originally posted by Phil: Nobody is going to take this car seriously until some pictures are posted.

That's a shame...

quote Originally posted by SCCA FIERO: I'm guessing you have only 'guessed' you're gonna make 300hp. I hope you aren't thinking this intercooler is actually going to do any good. You say you spared no expense, but used this intercooler? I'm a tight-wad, but even I sprung for a Spearco liquid intercooler. Wal-Mart sells cheapo cameras. Go get one and post pics. Nobody is taking you serious.

Cheapo body panels attach using metal brackets? i though they attached directly to the spaceframe using bolts?

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quote Originally posted by 2EXTREME: I don't state any bull, or what I whish I would do but never accomplish due to excuses. Ex. I wanted a delorean so I bought one, unlike most who dream, have the money, talk alot about some day, but never do it. Many people do talk, and its sad to say that because I can't post any pics, that I am full of it too. For people living in T.O. I will be around soon, and until then, I just might be able to let people know that the fiero is still going strong.

Get used to being doubted around here... people don't have a very good concept of what's possible and what's not.

quote Originally posted by Will: Get used to being doubted around here... people don't have a very good concept of what's possible and what's not.

Anything is possible. Not everything is likely. The offer still stands, I will eat a bug.

Well I didn't expect to be defending myself all day about owning such a car. As for the record, I'm Ernesto, and the rest of the story is true about my licence lost for 3yrs. Thats dangerious driving also for the record. That then marked the beginning of purchasing an 86.5 GT ...had my car painted yellow and GT2 Extreme graphics marked all over it. That was the same car, but 4yrs later and after all modifications preformed including replacing most body pannels...the car is still in priemer but real soon in finally finished black. As for proving what a fiero can do, its all in its design. As long as I can play with the best of them, I will always know I gave them the run for the money!

Hey I will be the first one to say I appreciate you're patience and welcome to the forum. At least all the skeptics should know he's at least verified by someone we know on the forum. I'm sure you're car is real too.

I wish you would continue to share what you have done to the car because I find it interesting to read. Keep on, keepin' on.

I've got pics of you car here somewhere when it was painted yellow. It looked flashy back then. Kinda screamed out at ya.

I've got your old seats. Remember the black cloth with the Fiero emblem sewn on? I bought them from Racetech about 5 tears ago. They still look new.

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Why not just call it a 86 GT, instead of a 86.5 GT?

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I went auto-crossing a few months ago and a '94 MR2 was there (I think it was either '92 or '94). Me and him had the same times all day long, and he seemed pretty cool and we liked eachother's cars. I like the MR2's and the 2nd gen's look like a Fiero in some ways (the first gens look like a box). I'd probably seriously consider buying 1 someday to accompany my Fiero. They are both mid-engine RWD cars after all, and weak too . Personally I'm more "Innocent until proven guilty" instead of the other way around (some people seem to be calling him guilty of bullshit...). I will give him a little bit of room here and give him time to get some pictures taken. It is *possible* to get a 2.8 to 300 hp but it is hard, he might have done it. For the weight reduction I'd have to see it to believe it.

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quote Originally posted by 1986 Fiero GT: I believe by saying it's an 86.5 GT, he specified that it came stock with a 5-speed without having to come out and say it... Come on guys, grow up and stop being so critical... I'm not saying I believe him about the car either, but just give the guy a break... lol

from what I've come to tthink, all 86 GT's came out midyear.. with 4spds.. in the manuals

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um .. did IRM actually make the widebody kit to fit fastbacks? i always thought they only made one for notchies? .. i could be wrong im still mad that IRM closed before i found them .. lived 15 minutes away all my life from the IRM guys and once i get a fiero they closed. GRR , i want to see pics of this car and so do alot of other people ... i dont understand why thats so hard.

quote Originally posted by 1986 Fiero GT: Nope... 86 GT's were produced from the beginning with a 4-speed, however in June of 1986, Pontiac decided to put in the 5-Speed Edit: spelling

86 Fastback Gt's were not produced till mid model year, thats where the .5 came from. As there was never a 86 notchback GT theres no real reason to add the .5. Perhaps someone else will chime in and confirm what I am saying to you. The .5 has nothing to do with the 5spd.

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why would it be a 1986.5 for a 5spd? why would .5 mean 5spd not the middle of the year? the tranny had no affect on the year

Well thanks guys for some welcome, and alot of dispute. As for weight reduction...
20lbs = front beam w/ plasitc + brackets holding under the bumper

15lbs =rear beam w/plastic

20lbs x 2 = door beam an lighter interior pannel less all metal brackets

15lbs x 2 = racing seats v.s. stock seats

30lbs = spare tire, jack+crow bar

60lbs = New interior / fiberglass dash + center counsoul all metal brackets+ plasic
housing for heater removed ...firewall isolation....
the carpet alone weights 24lbs or 12lbs a side.
15lbs = heater core+blower motor

5lbs = plastic tubing routing from water pump to heater core

4lbs x2 = power mirrors

5lbs =extra screws

The list goes on with detailed stuff like seat belts weight 3-4lbs each, plastic under-wheel liner about 3-4lbs each. I had a list of everything I had removed and then added with its individual weight. There is more to list, but I will take this thing on a scale soon to see its acutal weight since it is required for track competition before you can run your car. A dyno of rwhp is also required which I will soon do. If I am incorrect about my est of 300hp , I will post and correct my signature. As for all other mods done, the suspension is held motorsports sport front tubular / carrera coilovers with front structure re-enforced with brace. The rear is 88 cradle, koni adjustable, with custom tri-link strut brace. All mounts are urethane. The engine has focca headers with stainless exhaust, ported throttle body, ported intake manifolds, 3 angle valve job with custom si stainless valves, custom matched valve springs with molly tip retainers. The computer is rsm a re-programed stock chip to understand boost. I can always upgrade my chip for max engine hp, but that will be in the future. Many more mods but I am kinda out of breath on this, and I am glad to see some people backing the fiero up and keeping it positive. I'd thought that since this is the fiero forum, why would you favor any other.

sorry dude, don't know ya...(& doubt u know me)
and no, i havent run my car at mosport yet...
as for cayuga and shannonville yes, but im not sure if cayuga will open their circuit this season...

as for your car/buildup, im still up in the air about it...hm...
otherwise, i'll give u that your "beliefs" in the car are a lil much....or at least, how much yer comparing, when its all relative anyways...fiero, mr2, etc....u can do them both up very nicely...all depends on what route u take and how u go about it

wow you guys make judgement quick. what, you dont beleive him because he didnt share his entire buildup with the forum from day one?
the guy comes here to share info about his fiero and he gets bashed with bs comments all day long.
give the guy a break hes here for the same reason we all are.

2extreme, your patience with these people is amazing. id have flipped the bird after the first page. please done think these few people represent the general attitude of the entire forum.

how about just saying "hey pics would be nice you fiero sounds amazing"?

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Good, because you are wrong. Thanks for trying, though.

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quote Originally posted by rmphoto: wow you guys make judgement quick. what, you dont beleive him because he didnt share his entire buildup with the forum from day one? the guy comes here to share info about his fiero and he gets bashed with bs comments all day long. give the guy a break hes here for the same reason we all are. 2extreme, your patience with these people is amazing. id have flipped the bird after the first page. please done think these few people represent the general attitude of the entire forum. how about just saying "hey pics would be nice you fiero sounds amazing"?

OK, here's why I called BS.
1)315 tires on an 86 Fiero. No mention at that time of a 88 cradle. Unless you're running reverse offset wheels, I can't see that happening.
2)Estimated 300 hp out of a 2.8 with 9 lb of boost. Any time someone says estimated, it sets off my bs detector anyway, and I can't see how a 2.8 running the same boost as my 3800 runs 60 more hp. I'm no tuner, but can you feel my skepticism?
3) No camera? My God, man, statistics would indicate that you would at least know someone with a camera who would have some pics for you. Not definate, I know, but come on. Healthy skepticism is all. I ain't mad at ya. I tell you what, I'll be happy to mail you a Fun Saver. Snap away and send it back. I'll take it to Walmart and get it put on a disc for you. Because that's the kind of guy I am.

Seriously, I'd love to eat a bug on this one. If you're for real, it sounds like an interesting ride.

im kinda with him on the no camera thing my 88 is a pos and i have pics of it.

quote Originally posted by rmphoto: wow you guys make judgement quick. what, you dont beleive him because he didnt share his entire buildup with the forum from day one? the guy comes here to share info about his fiero and he gets bashed with bs comments all day long.

No we don't believe him because most of his claims ARE BS or at least highly embellished.
First, a 1986 fastback GT STOCK weighs in around 2800lbs For all the little things he removed he has added at least the same weight back.
Second, It isn't street legal. It doesn't matter that you can't "see" the mods, It is still not street legal.

There is no way he has 300hp using a 9psi supercharger and an intercooler with the Fiero intake. Even bored/ported he can't get the flow. It's been tried on a 3.4L and they only got around 260hp at the flywheel. You can only force so much air into the intake. The guy with the 3.4L F-body had totally custom heads and intake and with pump gas and 12psi only pushed 260hp. To break 300hp he had to use race gas and push 16psi of boost. So how does a 2.8L with only 9psi get 300hp?

Then he says we should believe him because he has a Delorean????

quote I understand people don't believe this car exists, but what do you say when my other car is a delorean.

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