I'm going to back my claim here... I'm going to go into detail why I wrote a few things. both of my Fiero's have AC, neither work. The heat shield added in the recall on 84's has a tendency to slice a nice gouge in the aluminum part of the AC hoses. both of my cars have no seat recliner handles, I found all of them in the console, The reason I said not to do donuts, the early 125C's (and I believe this applies to the manual transmissions too)1984's at least, have steel differential pins, if you have 1 wheel spinning faster then the other, the pin will wear out and snap(boom). I know by 89 they had the problem solved, but what year got this change is unknown to me. both of my Fiero's E-Brakes don't work, there is a recall, and it affects only the stick Fiero's and f bodies. automatics have an adequate parking brake so there e brakes went on neglected. Ok ok, so I am making broad statements based on my experiences, people shouldn't feel alone when they wonder why this or that just broke.:WTF: But there are exceptions, Be very happy you can claim that you got one of the better made Fiero's, it is an 88 after all... I, like 2/3rd of the other Fiero owners own an 84 and an 85, the two most problematic years.

GT's have a beefier front crossmember, reinforced at the frame and lower control arm mounting points, than the notchbacks. That holds true through the 87 model year. I haven't had the opportunity to investigate this on the 88 models.

2/6/2002: I now know that the 88 suspension is WAY different!

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(Found a pic for this post)

On the radio in my 87, if you press both volume controls at the same time, it will go to full volume instantly.

(Not sure if other radios do this)

Don't try this while driving, it will scare the heck out of you !

I found out that ALL fieros have little creatures called THE FIERO GREMILINS in them. They live inside the car and make wierd stuff go wrong (ie. blowing a fuse in your fuse box 5amp and half your injectors go out, no turn signals one day...another they work fine, spark..timing..fuel...compression..but still won't start, wierd metal tapping in suspension one week none the other) Beleive me these little things do exist!

ps..they can be passed on to other fieros..so beware of them..stay away from other fieros as much as possible..they also don't like to be raced(ie i have tried to go to Cordova like 10 times...every time the day before or day of something goes wrong..then goes away the next day)

Also have something called Grablins, close cousins of the Gremlins. They grab stuff and move it, you know like when you reach for that ratchet with the 13mm socket on it and it's laying on the floor on the other side of the car, and you just know that you had it beside you.

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quote Originally posted by Denny: Also have something called Grablins, close cousins of the Gremlins. They grab stuff and move it, you know like when you reach for that ratchet with the 13mm socket on it and it's laying on the floor on the othet side of the car, and you just know that you had it beside you.

Yes This almost but not quite falls into this catagory. 8th entry first page
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Archives/Archive-000002/HTML/20010924-1-006829.html

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That older post was FUNNY STUFF!!! Why? Because it's all true!!!

The only thing I can think to add may be the fact that it is interesting that what it takes to TRULY define a "performance" Fiero is a truckload of parts from OTHER vehicles!!!

DKOV -

The rarest factory color was the yellow in 88 (1166) followed by the bright blue offered in 1987 (4458).There were only 91 t-top coupes ever made.There was a total of 13 experimental Fieros made:5 in 86&1/2 ,2 in 87 & 6 in 88.Only 3 Pace car "super duty" Fieros were made in 84(whats that all about?).Gold was only offered in 86 &87,blue in 87 only ,yellow in 88 only & med. red mettalic in 87 &88.Want more? go to Minnesota Fieros Forever.

Shortly before the Fiero was launched, Pontiac had a display that consisted of a Fiero door and a bowling ball suspended from a chain. A Pontiac engineer would lift the bowling ball and let it slam into the door, thus demonstrating the strength of the plastic pannels.

Names considered before ‘Fiero’. Sprint, Fiamma, P3000, and Pegasus.

Did you know that Sept. 13, 1983 was made ‘Fiero’ day by a U.S. Congressman. It was to signify the new technology inherent in the Fiero and to peak the public’s image in America’s automotive industry.

Fieros were designed with a cup holder. I almost always drive with a marine type cup, that has a large flat bottom and can't tip over, sitting on the passnger's floor near the console. When I have a passenger in the car I switch to a normal travel cup and use the factory cupholder between the dash and the instrument cluster. Try it.

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Notchbacks Rule
85GT(show car)
88Coupe (daily driver)
84 Coupe(project car)

quote Originally posted by stingant0: I found out that ALL fieros have little creatures called THE FIERO GREMILINS in them. They live inside the car and make wierd stuff go wrong (ie. blowing a fuse in your fuse box 5amp and half your injectors go out, no turn signals one day...another they work fine, spark..timing..fuel...compression..but still won't start, wierd metal tapping in suspension one week none the other) Beleive me these little things do exist! ps..they can be passed on to other fieros..so beware of them..stay away from other fieros as much as possible..they also don't like to be raced(ie i have tried to go to Cordova like 10 times...every time the day before or day of something goes wrong..then goes away the next day)

yea ive had them run around my car they cut my brake lines and let the air outa my tires
they need to be caught

and grablems ive been a victom of those too they are always runnin away with my tools and screws!

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85 se 2m4 5spd white

www.angelfire.com/super/camaro0/

quote Originally posted by 4BanGinFun: fieros where used as a cop car too ricers will never get that

Actually in my town the Undercovers have a Fiero with a 3.4 and several Ricers.
You would never know anyone of them were cop cars, unless you could look at the light bulbs REALLY closely and see where they drilled the backs to put in the strobes.

The Fiero may not have the most web sites on the Net. Below are results from searches using the Google search engine about two months ago. The searches were made using the names exactly as shown. Searches on similar names would yield different results. (I.e. "VW Beetle" would yield different results than "Volkswagen Beetle".) And a "hit" does not mean a website is devoted to that particular vehicle, just that the name appears on a site somewhere. The data are not conclusive, but indicative.

VEHICLE "Hits" on Google Search Engine

Porsche 1,050,000
Mustang 792,000
Miata 563,000
Corvette 496,000
Camaro 331,000
Firebird 239,000
Honda Accord 123,000
RX7 113,000
Fiero 78,800
VW Beetle 39,400 ("Volkswagen" got over 1 million hits)
Corvair 22,400
Pontiac GTO 21,200
Dodge Neon 21,200
Ford Probe 19,300
XKE 13,500

Paul McKibben
Norcross, GA

Formula,

Not sure about the Wing thing you mentioned. My source is an old copy of Car&Driver.

Oh well!

Ayrow

I know there were only 241 Yellow GT's made.

In 88 the cars at the end of production had no front compartment light holder wiring or switch as they ran out and didn't make anymore as the car was going to be canceled. I wish I could find out what production # they ran out at.

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Josh

My pics Join New England Fiero Association

On the original Prototype the Gas Filler door was on the passenger side.

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I belive the Silver Formula (all Formulas were 88s) is *The* rarest fiero of them all! (including yellow GTs!) with just *under* 200 made.

Grin!

Best!
Ben.

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Ben Cannon
88 Formula, T-top, Metalic Red           "Every Man Dies, not every man really Lives"
88 Formula, Northstar, Silver                     -Mel Gibson, "Braveheart"

quote Originally posted by MinnGreenGT: The "last two" Fieros produced were Red 88 GT's with T-Tops. They were given to two of the factory workers through a drawing. The inside of every body panel on the last 2 cars were signed by the employees at the plant. Sadly, the last 2 Fieros were not "numerically" ordered to be the last 2 VIN numbers... so they have since disappeared! I'm not aware of anyone who has been able to locate either of these car or their VIN numbers.

Well, at least one of them hasn't disappeared...

Here is an article about the last Fiero that rolled off the assembly line and the Fiero plant truck driver that it was given to:
http://www.michiganfieroclub.org/lastfiero.htm

Incidentaly, this Fiero has appeared for sale in Hemmings Motor News a few times over the past few years but never sold as far as I know (I believe he was asking somewhere around $25,000 for it).

Ken S.

quote Originally posted by MinnGreenGT: The "last two" Fieros produced were Red 88 GT's with T-Tops. They were given to two of the factory workers through a drawing. The inside of every body panel on the last 2 cars were signed by the employees at the plant. Sadly, the last 2 Fieros were not "numerically" ordered to be the last 2 VIN numbers... so they have since disappeared! I'm not aware of anyone who has been able to locate either of these car or their VIN numbers.

I thought the VIN for the last two cars were:
1G2PG1193JP226401
and
1G2PG1193JP226402

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quote Originally posted by artherd: The 87-88 headlamps can be 'ajusted' to come up to any height you want. you can make the lights open 'halfway'

How? TIA.

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0-60 unlimited seconds
Now Deceased. RIP Black Widow.

Either the 84 SE or the 87 GT (can't remember which) set a record for the most sports cars sold in a year. It still stands at forty some thousand.

While clensing my first fiero's interior, none other than about 12 empty beer bottle caps(hey fieros can be thirsty too), an excersize video(to help with the beer gut) and a few misc gun books and so on. I dont know who the previous owner is but I can assure you he hasn't got all his teeth.

When you go back and look at an old post such as this your author box on the left has been updated to your currently listed amount of posts and not the number of your post on the old topic.So you will never be able to find you first post again. Like Tom wolfe said " you can never go home again".

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Notchbacks Rule
84 Coupe(project car)
85GT(show car)
86???(looking)
87SE (daily driver)
88Coupe (daily driver)

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'84 Fieros did NOT come with the rubber band around the jack handle, (at least mine didn't) '87s did, not sure when they started using them though.

So if you are restoring an '84 you don't need one.

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http://www.8shark.com/

HERES ONE THAT I THINK WAS THE BEST ONE !!!!!!IM USING CAPS BECAUSE IM PROUD OF IT IN 1985 THE FIERO WAS THE ONLY GM CAR THAT HAD THE NAME OF THE CAR ON THE ENGINE!! THE 1985 VETTE DIDNT HAVE THAT AT LEAST I DONT THINK.

quote Originally posted by LZeitgeist: Tigger wrote: Pockets on the backs of the seats? This is new to me... ::scratches head::

Our Indy has pockets on the back of the seat, but no door pockets. I have never seen this before. It has all other options and is a stick, but NO door pockets! Also probably already known, but with car running, trunk switch doesn't work UNLESS EBrake is on.

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Elvira
Blue 87GT
Black 86GT 5sp x 2
86SC t-top 58k miles
84 Indy
87 4-seater

Guess what, my Indy Has EVERY OPTION, except the door pockets, it does have the nets behind the seats. Your not alone

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Matt D
1984 Indy Fiero (auto)
1985 2m4 4T60, DIS V6 3.1 to be turbocharged

quote Originally posted by Tigger: Odd, I'm almost certain my '84 SE had them because I didn't want to put them back in. Well, I could be wrong, it might have been something a previous owner added, like the third brake light. I think the 84's didn't have pockets on the back of the seats. 84's had the center stripes down the middle of the seats. At least one 85 SE was blue from the factory. In another thread, there was talk of one of these Fieros had been found and is being restored. [This message has been edited by Tigger (edited 12-05-2001).]

My friend owns the first Blue 85 SE Produced in the GM Factory. There were 12 others, 7 total from the factory, the rest were dealer repaints. 2 were painted by a dealership in Jacksonville Florida for a special order. The other three were repainted elsewhere. Any others after that are not considered GM factory repaints. And I have you ALL beat! I found the previous owner's emergency cash stash. 100 dollar bill in a self stick key case on the backside of the map pocket on the dash (passwnger side) Map pockets on the back of the seats were only produced in 84. Anything else is a JYard refit, or custom upholstery. Yes, some Fieros had power option wiring, but no switches or motors.
The Windows in the Fiero were originally designed to roll all the way down, but there were too many issues with the windows slipping out of the tracks when this was done.
Never install a remote start in a MANUAL Fiero. You end up rebuilding Garages because of it (Personal experience)
YES! The Fuse Box FLIPS DOWN! Have known this since I got my first 84SE.....
85 and newer V6 Fieros have a second cooling fan located in the trunk on the passenger side. Ductwork from this runs to the Alternator, and the Coil to keep them cool.
Fiero Decklid hinges have enough strength to shatter a rear window when you remove the decklid.
Red Fieros get pulled over more often than any other car on the road.
Original balancing of Fiero rims was done on the back side of the wheel to prevent damage to the aluminum and clearcoat on mag wheels. Dealerships would rebalance nearly every wheel that came in, and place the weights on the outside.
If you get into your Fiero with snow on your shoes in the winter, it will melt, run under your seat, get soaked up by the seat foam, and freeze into a hard block of ice.
A 6'4 1/2" 250 lb man, and a 5'4" 125 lb woman can NOT have sex in the passenger seat of an 86 Fiero SE Manual Tranny.
Fieros are the spawn of hell. At least that is what the quicklube guy says every time he attempts to reach past a hot catalytic converter to pull the filter.

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I- am gonna help you see it through
I- will protect you in the night
I- am smiling next to you, in Silent Lucidity" --- Queensryche

"It Hurts! It Hurts! Do it again!!"

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Hmmmm let's see...

There were 257 Silver 88 GT's made. 138 of them were 5 spd.

My 84 parts car does have pockets...as a side note.

Also, not all V6 Fieros have the bump...only notchbacks do.

Jennifer

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quote Originally posted by Fierochic88: Hmmmm let's see... There were 257 Silver 88 GT's made. 138 of them were 5 spd. My 84 parts car does have pockets...as a side note. Also, not all V6 Fieros have the bump...only notchbacks do. Jennifer [This message has been edited by Fierochic88 (edited 02-06-2002).]

Actually, yes the V6 Fieros all had em, including the Fastback. Again, as stated earlier, this was to make room for the taller intake on the V6. I had a link here on it. Let me see if I can find it for you.
Some of the 4 Cylinder Fieros had em, but not ALL the 4 cylinders did.

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"I- will be watching over you
I- am gonna help you see it through
I- will protect you in the night
I- am smiling next to you, in Silent Lucidity" --- Queensryche

"It Hurts! It Hurts! Do it again!!"

Originally posted by artherd:

The 87-88 headlamps can be 'ajusted' to come up to any height you want. you can make the lights open 'halfway'

quote Originally posted by kempo: How? TIA.

Anybody?

Interesting about the bump...mainly cause the decklids on our 3 86 GT's, 2 87's and 2 88's are noticeably flatter than our 2 85 Gt's, 85 SE, 87 SE and 88 Formula. The notchback cars have a much more noticeable bump...

Skitime and I have been pondering this for a while since his decklid window is so popular we were wondering if it could be done on a notchback...that is why I found that fact to be of particular interest.

Jennifer

quote Originally posted by Fierochic88: Interesting about the bump...mainly cause the decklids on our 3 86 GT's, 2 87's and 2 88's are noticeably flatter than our 2 85 Gt's, 85 SE, 87 SE and 88 Formula. The notchback cars have a much more noticeable bump... Skitime and I have been pondering this for a while since his decklid window is so popular we were wondering if it could be done on a notchback...that is why I found that fact to be of particular interest. Jennifer

Ahhh. OK. Do I detect some Sarcasm in the "Noticeably flatter" Line? Anyways, actually, they all had it, some had less some had more. Seriously. As for the Window, get ahold of Archie, he deals with Vacuum molded Lexan all the time, You could possible get the entire forward section of the Decklid done as a single piece, bump and all. Should just need to be heated and formed to mold the "Bump". It will be a tad thinner, but may provide a really nice look. Could almost toss some NEON under the decklid next to it to really enhance the engine? Might be a cool idea?

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"I- will be watching over you
I- am gonna help you see it through
I- will protect you in the night
I- am smiling next to you, in Silent Lucidity" --- Queensryche

"It Hurts! It Hurts! Do it again!!"

quote Originally posted by Dumba$$: did you know that the trunk was designed to fit the full size tire?

I guess that leaves artherd SOL

quote Originally posted by Synthesis: Ahhh. OK. Do I detect some Sarcasm in the "Noticeably flatter" Line? Anyways, actually, they all had it, some had less some had more. Seriously. As for the Window, get ahold of Archie, he deals with Vacuum molded Lexan all the time, You could possible get the entire forward section of the Decklid done as a single piece, bump and all. Should just need to be heated and formed to mold the "Bump". It will be a tad thinner, but may provide a really nice look. Could almost toss some NEON under the decklid next to it to really enhance the engine? Might be a cool idea?

Nah, no sarcasm intended That is a good idea about the molded lexan though.

Jennifer

quote Originally posted by Reality: I thought the VIN for the last two cars were: 1G2PG1193JP226401 and 1G2PG1193JP226402

Those were the last two numerically... but I understand that they were not actually the last two to leave the assembly line!

quote Originally posted by Fierochic88: Nah, no sarcasm intended That is a good idea about the molded lexan though. Jennifer

Definitely cool. Anyways. The Neon might actually look really good if it is not visible from above or an angle, but lights up the engine bay. Only for show of course... You would REALLY hafta dress up the bay though. *sigh* One day I might be able to afford a new Center Console Glove box. Dang thing cracked on me recently in the sub zero Temperatures up here. Maybe someone out there will donate one to my cause? LOL.
PS. Guys, I have a good friend who has a SWEET Go-Kart with a Fiberglass Fiero Body on it.... Looks really good. I will post pics soon as I get the chance... The life of a computer tech. Go figure.

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"I- will be watching over you
I- am gonna help you see it through
I- will protect you in the night
I- am smiling next to you, in Silent Lucidity" --- Queensryche

"It Hurts! It Hurts! Do it again!!"

quote Originally posted by kslish: Well, at least one of them hasn't disappeared... Here is an article about the last Fiero that rolled off the assembly line and the Fiero plant truck driver that it was given to: http://www.michiganfieroclub.org/lastfiero.htm Incidentaly, this Fiero has appeared for sale in Hemmings Motor News a few times over the past few years but never sold as far as I know (I believe he was asking somewhere around $25,000 for it). Ken S.

That's cool! Thanks- I've heard his name before, but never read that much about him. Anyone still know him? Or live in his area?

quote Originally posted by Synthesis: Actually, yes the V6 Fieros all had em, including the Fastback. Again, as stated earlier, this was to make room for the taller intake on the V6.

My 87GT (v6) does not have a bump on the rear decklid, above the engine. Ehh? Link?

Now, about those headlights... ??

quote Originally posted by Tigger: 84's had the center stripes down the middle of the seats.

My 84 doesn't have center stripes, so it was probably an extra option

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