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3.4L pushrod Swap (lots of pics) by sardonyx247
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Here is my 3.4L Pushrod swap. From a 95 Camaro to a 87 Fiero GT. I did a lot of cleaning and painting of everything. I posted 204 pics of the engine swap, parts as they were removed, cleaned, painted, powder coated, swaped, reassembled, etc....
If you need info about any bracket on the 2.8L/3.4L engine I should have a pic of it posted here.
Also pics and info for stripping the old powdercoat off of the intake/valve covers, are posted here.
And all of the info that I had to use in the swap.

Randye came in and added rebuild pics, for those of you who want to rebuild it first.

And I added pics of my rebuild with a turbo too.

If this thread has helped anyone please post comments at the end.

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All of dem please

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I am going to be doing this swap soon - all the pics would be extremely helpful! Thanks!

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OK we will start with these.

Here is the 3.4L out of a '95 camaro, 50,000 miles on it






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I have to leave now to go do more work on it.
I will post more later.

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Here are some pics of my old 2.8 still in the car





Can anyone see why I had low oil pressure???
these pics might be too small to see it.


Here is some background on my GT. I had aranged to buy it fairly cheap, Great body, engine sounded ok. He had trouble shifting and said the oil light was always on. He said he bleed the clutch system but the fluid was still black, so he just didn't do it right. The guy said when I was going to go pick it up that he would charge the battery. So I called him eqarly so hecould charge it, what I thought was to put it on a battery charger. Well he went driving to charge it. When I got there it now had a small knock/tapping sound. I figured it had a spun bearing from read through the posts. I thought no biggie, needs an engine. Well on the way home....WHAP WHAP WHAP, now it got LOUD. So I limped it home, and there it sat staring at me everyday. So I looked into engine swaps....a 2.8L $700, a 3.1L stroker kit $499, then I found a 3.4L for $400. The engine got bigger and the price kept going down. Well thats a no brainer on what I was going to do. So I went down and got the 3.4L and that is where the first set of pics starts, when we got it back to the shop.

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Great so far.. Keep them sucker's a comin'...

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Here are a few more of the 3.4L mostly striped down


This oil filter adapter needs to be removed, on the 2.8L there is a 10mm hex fitting inside that you have to transfer to the 3.4L block. Then the oil filter screws on to it.
If you compare these to the first set you can see some of what you have to strip off the 3.4L, pretty much down to the heads(leave them on).

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Hmmm that all looks sooooooo familiar.......I wonder why?

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Caliper tied out of the way

Here is a bottom shot.
I was looking at this pic later at home and noticed only one tire was on the ground

Here's my old A/C compressor. Notice the green dye?
I have never jumped out from under a car so fast. The compressor was froze and I thought the freon or 134 was long since gone.

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The last shot of the 2.8L in the car.

A couple of pics with the craddle supported and unbolted.
An easy trick to getting the front craddle bolts out that I found is to take the nut off and push on the bolt then use a jack to slowly jack up then it will just fly out. The backs just lower down to the stands.


I used a chain hook to the trunk latch and a forklift to raise the back, with the craddle unbolted the back is much lighter.

The 2.8L comming out

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Nice! Keep them coming. How about some shots of the starter relocation. Before and after if you have them. Thanks,

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dont stop now keep them coming

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Well I don't have any yet of the after pics of the starter holes, since I still havent done them yet.
I will get some good before now, then post then after later

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The 2.8 comming out the back on the forklift

Being brought into the shop


The 2.8L as it sat on the craddle


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My Fiero as it sits now

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Questions? comments?

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Cool pics, keep 'em coming. A couple questions though: where's the standing in the engine bay picture? And just wondering, what was the reason for the low oil pressure on the old engine?

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no standing in the bay as I am the one with the camera
And the low oil is a broken lifter, which in turn, caused the engine to get the rod knock

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I found that the back manifilod was cracked. Luckly we have alot of parts around

And I found that stock manifold has this crappy restriction in 2 of the ports.

After a quick porting job there are gone.

this might be good for a couple of horses, mabey.

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Originally posted by sardonyx247:

I found that the back manifilod was cracked. Luckly we have alot of parts around

And I found that stock manifold has this crappy restriction in 2 of the ports.

After a quick porting job there are gone.

this might be good for a couple of horses, mabey.

Porting the exhaust manifolds is generally thought to be worth about 8-10 HP on a stock 2.8.
It's one of the most common "free" mods.

One thing you need to do, though, is reinforce the welds on the outside of the manifolds where the port primary tubes come into the main manifold tube. (the joint you grinded on the inside). Otherwise, you risk cracking and leaking at the junctions where you ported.

Did that make any sense?

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so grinding down those little restrictions is good for about 10 hp on a 135hp engine? damn thats a 7% increase in power DAMN... can you take a better picture of the broken lifter so i can see what it looks like?

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a lil off topic for the thug... Heres a pic of my dead lifter on my 4cyl..

http://www.fiero.nl/uploads/030.jpg

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8-10 on the 2.8? NICE. It just looked bad so I ground it out. I thought it was common sense by just seeing it.

Here are the same pics as before but full size
http://www.lasvegasfieroclu...4L_swap/PIC00679.JPG
http://www.lasvegasfieroclu...4L_swap/PIC00682.JPG

It's in the middle.

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Here are the two flywheels.
You need a neutraly balanced flywheel, The one for the '88 Fiero will work just fine.
I got mine at Partsamerica.com for only $39.99
Just set 'your car' as an '88 Fiero V6 and look up and order the $39.99 flywheel( The part# is Standard Flywheels 6500 )with a $35 core
You can order online and pick up at the store. Then take back your old flywheel the next day for the core.

The old '87 2.8L is on the left, The new ''88 2.8L flywheel is on the right. Notice the weight on the old one.


A side shot


2013 Edit to add:
I don't think they have the flywheel at that price anymore.
The Fiero Store now carries the 88 neutrally balanced flywheel needed for the 3.4 swap, at $59.95 Just FYI for everyone.

http://www.fierostore.com/P...px?s=54020&d=203&p=1

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Yeah, DON'T forget about the flywheel weight. Else you'll be pulling the whole thing back out to replace it. Or you'll destroy you're main bearings, negating the entire swap.

Trust me on this one.

Sardonyx247 knows what I'm talking about.

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The old water pump from the 3.4 (Left, and the new one 2.8 type(right) Waterpumps are cheap so I recomend getting a new one at this time to save headaches latter.

You have to use the timing cover from the 2.8L
the 3.4 flows the opposite way

The 2.8L timing cover

The 3.4L timing cover

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More pics while my powder coat in baking........
While the cover was off I decided to replace the seal.
When they say "just pry it out with a small screwdriver" I had a hell of a time getting mine out
But to put it in just use a block of wood and a hammer.

The old seal still in and first paint

old seal out, new one ready to go in

New seal in and the tools used

Yes I know the timing marks are upside down. I corrected this as you can see in other pics

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If the 3.4L you get is an auto like mine was, and you have a stick, like mine is, you also need to get a PILOT BUSHING too.

No you don't. The Fiero doesn't use a pilot bushing. The transmission has an input shaft bearing built into it that supports the input shaft, so no pilot bushing is needed. If it makes you feel better to use one, go ahead. The input shaft will never reach it.

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No hmmm........Thats nice to know.

Here's some more pics to try to catch up to where I'm at

The engine with degreaser on it, kind of a weird pic since the degreaser causes the black

My painted 3.4L (First color)

Our shop the first night after we bruoght the 2.8L in

The 3.4L without the timing cover

The 3.4L with the 2.8 timing cover and new 2.8 water pump

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You also need to transfer timing marks from the 2.8 balancer to the 3.4 one.
I lined up the groove on the inside by stacking them, I got a straight edge and scribed a new mark.
Then I got a hacksaw and made a deeper groove
you can see the smaller groove in this pic

I painted the balancer,

Taped off for the new line

And the new line

The 3.4L with the old 2.8L

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My exhaust in high temp blue

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I spy another Fiero in amongst all those Camaro's. Parts Car???

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I spy another Fiero in amongst all those Camaro's. Parts Car???

go to our site and click on "pics of our yard" they are old pics but you will get the idea

Oh and BTW there are 6 Fieros in that pic. 2 of them are hard to tell but I know whats there
If you guys want to try to find them all here is the full sized pic.
http://www.lasvegasfieroclub.com/3.4L_swap/PIC00719.JPG

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The 3.4L with the intake off

The 3.4L with the new intake gasket on.

A close up of the intake ports
See the restrictions in them? Anyone know if these can be ground out? Just for future reference.

The 2.8L lower intake painted

And installed on to the 3.4L

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Those "restrictions" are actually vanes that set up a vortex flow around the valve stem. Removing those on a normally-aspirated motor is good for a 10-15 HP loss, not gain.

BTW, nice buildup thread.

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They looked too big to not be there by design, is what I was thinking.

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You can polish the fins a bit to help with the air flow.

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The '87 craddle just after I pulled the engine off of it

Craddle minus transmission

Craddle getting ready for paint


And painted It looks Sooooo much better

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A bunch of brackets from the 2.8L, cleaned and painted. I thought they might help people in future reference of brackets.

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