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The Turbo Super Duty Build. by FastIndyFiero
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I love CATIA.

one of the few packages i haven't used

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Coming from Solidworks and Pro/E, I can say CATIA V5 is a VERY nice package. I use it at work and we have every workbench for it as well.

After an hour, I'm almost done with the clutch cover, have a little work to do on the pressure plate inside of it. All of the critical dimensions of each component are correct to real-life dimensions, and I'm going to use it to perform a motion/interference simulation with a theoretical bellhousing/starter arrangement when I can get some dimensions for those.

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Well, I can't even access my clutch assembly now. Apparently for a short period of time a newer sub-version of software was being used at work, which they took off. So the old version of CATIA V5 can't read most of my files. :grrrr:

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Bump....for an interesting thread.

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Will this pass emissions? I was thinking not because I wanted to do it, but the e-check in Ohio.

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Its been so long since Ive checked up on this thread, turns out im goin iron duke for the moment, maybe it will evolve into an ecotec build. later

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Bump for updates! more please!

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Unfortunately, Calc 2, Physics, Statics, and my job at the Structural Test division are keeping me extremely busy. Not to say there hasn't been any progress

I have flanges for my TB adapter sitting around, and I might work on that this weekend. I'm also switching things up a bit and looking for coated titanium wrist pins to relieve some of the stress on the rod at high RPM. Right now the only thing keeping the long block from being put together is re-honing the cylinder walls to the proper finish, and putting the head back together. From there all I will need is pushrods. I've also been devoting a large amount of time studying functions and coding (what little of it I understand) of the upcoming MegaSquirt products like the GPIO, router, and PWC devices. These all have a great bearing on my project and I suspect will be around in time to be implemented. So be looking for COP sequential ignition in my future

 
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Will this pass emissions? I was thinking not because I wanted to do it, but the e-check in Ohio.

Short answer...No. I'm making no provisions for a cat, and using a big cam as well. At WOT I expect this to not be a very eco-friendly engine

Keep checking this thread for updates, as it will be getting exciting this summer especially!

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Damn, I'm impressed... I plan on doing the same thing this summer, only with a Subaru engine. Keep up the good work, and don't stop updating!

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Bump for one of the coolest engine build up threads, I wanna see where this is going.

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Thanks for the compliments, and sorry about the lack of updates for the past while. Been staying VERY busy. Sooooo...Updates.

I'm getting a TIG welder soon

Picked up a couple of odds and ends, like a CM remote oil filter. Very nice piece. No more unfiltered oil at WOT for me.

I started making a rough fiberglass intake adapter to go from the manifold straight rearward, and pointing up at about a 45* angle to clear the frame. That means I'll have to put a small "teardrop" hump in the deck, but it'll look cool . I won't hurt your eyes with pictures of that in its current state . The final version will be made from several plies of carbon fiber sleeve inserted into a female mold and expanded with an inner tube. This will provide a glossy surface on the outside for cosmetics, and a somewhat smooth surface on the inside for proper air flow, as well as removing any excess resin or air pockets. (Thanks to Kohburn for suggesting the inner tube, after much frustration wondering what I could use for this purpose.)

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An update:
The components for my turbo tach have been ordered. Upon reception I will be assembling and testing. After rigorous testing, I will be providing these to the public as a finished no-hassle product. The hardest part will be drilling a hole or two into your compressor housing.

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"Teardrop bump on hood..." sounds like a big improvement over the "hole in decklid for air cleaner" you had to start with, Nate!
Thanks for the updates !

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Just a bump to keep this thread from going into archives. Very little progress right now, the daily driver '96 Mercury Sable 24V decided
that the road needed its oil more than the engine did.

Road: 1
Engine: 0

And, of course, I started back on my fall semester. Always planning though, and this thread is far from over...

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Just a bump to keep this thread from going into archives. Very little progress right now, the daily driver '96 Mercury Sable 24V decided
that the road needed its oil more than the engine did.

Road: 1
Engine: 0

And, of course, I started back on my fall semester. Always planning though, and this thread is far from over...

Nate
you sure your foot didn't help it decide?

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I had one of those for two years, sell it now, it's a bigger money pit than the SD4

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you sure your foot didn't help it decide?


All-aluminum DOHC 3.0L V6's with indivdual TB secondaries are SUPPOSED to hit redline daily

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All-aluminum DOHC 3.0L V6's with indivdual TB secondaries are SUPPOSED to hit redline daily


I completely agree. Which is why it'll be scary if I ever get a high-reving 3.4 into my car. } ; ]

Any updates?

BUMP!

Red 5spd Formula (still stock but burning oil above 3K WOT)
Trot, the zippy, fox... } ; ]

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No updates right now. I just recovered the pieces of the conn rod from my Sable engine however. Ooops

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How many years you been at this project Nate?

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No updates right now. I just recovered the pieces of the conn rod from my Sable engine however. Ooops



I'm warning you (again), SELL IT NOW!

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If anyone wants to buy a Superduty set up, let me know. I plan to sell mine.

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Sooo....


Ooops.

That being said, I actually did something with the SD4 today!
*cue heavenly music*


Tadaa!
Yeah, okay. So maybe taking it apart isn't necessarily a step in the forward direction, but those will be coming soon enough. Since the cam and crank have to come out to get the cylinders refinished, I thought it would be a good time to snap some pics of stuff that I wasn't able to document earlier:

Main bearings...The pic pretty much explains all.


Rear seal adapter. Unfortunately, my brain wasn't working correctly and I stretched out the seal O-ring when removing the cap. Chalk that up as a big "Damn." Oh well, everything else is looking amazingly clean and rust free for having been stored for a year now. Tomorrow I remove the cam, and test fit the piston rings to verify I'm not going to go over end gap tolerance by boring it out another .002" to 4.007".





Updates tomorrow...

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Camshaft: out. I thought I'd snap a couple pics of the SD cam bearings.




This is a good shot of one of the secondary cam journals. Obviously, it's much narrower than the 3 main journals.


This is a good shot that shows just how much wider the main bulkheads are on the block. The journal is recessed very far in.


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I'm loving these pictures

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mmm guts mmm
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Does your water pump have a number on it? I am building a S-10 block up, but am running into the problem of the long snout W/Pump. If I could get any info for the pump you are using, it would be most appriciated!.

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Does your water pump have a number on it? I am building a S-10 block up, but am running into the problem of the long snout W/Pump. If I could get any info for the pump you are using, it would be most appriciated!.



Sure, if there's a # on the pump I'll get it for you when I get home tomorrow. It's the waterpump in the GM build package, which is supposed to be a high-flow version.

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You're the bomb man! I have been researching this pump for about 3 weeks now to no avail. It is shorter than the stock S-10 pump.

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You're the bomb man! I have been researching this pump for about 3 weeks now to no avail. It is shorter than the stock S-10 pump.



Okay...Well. I can't find the master list of all the components that came in the kit. So that REALLY sucks. I've been in cleaning mode for the last couple of days just trying to find some of my documentation. There's two different GM part numbers on the waterpump, but I have a feeling they're just for the case halves of the pump, not the entire unit.

In other news, I did final test fitting and measuring to verify that the new piston/ring combination will work for sure. Now it just needs to be honed for the 1.2mm rings and the rear main O-ring fixed. Depending on how the budget goes, I may have the block ready for piston installation (again) by the end of January.

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CRAP!!!! Another brick wall on this water pump! Can you send me a really good photo of it that I can take to my parts guy? He is already used to me coming to him with "off the wall" parts. If anyone can find it for me, he is, just need something for him to go by...I hope yours never goes out, I think you would play hell tryin' to find one!

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CRAP!!!! Another brick wall on this water pump! Can you send me a really good photo of it that I can take to my parts guy? He is already used to me coming to him with "off the wall" parts. If anyone can find it for me, he is, just need something for him to go by...I hope yours never goes out, I think you would play hell tryin' to find one!



It looks pretty much exactly like the stock pump as far as I can tell. I'll get it side-by-side with the stocker to look for any differences you could look for and get some pics. I'll also post up the #'s from the case halves.

In other news, I have my extra NOS Foggers listed in eBay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NOS-Stainless-Annular-Discharge-Fogger_W0QQitemZ140070858661QQihZ00 4QQcategoryZ33740QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Also still have my extra SD TBI intake for sale in the Mall...
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/034553.html

Okay, I'm done shamelessly plugging my items.

Nate

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A little more progress made today...The torque plate I picked up for $50 on eBay arrived today. I need to make a slight modification, and bore the through holes to 1/2" to fit the bigger SD head bolts. Might just do this on the mill at work if I find time. I also need to find hardware to fit the much shorter torque plate. I might post some pics of the plate tomorrow. What this all means is that reassembly of the short block is not far off...

Lata's!!!

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So does the pump bolt to the front of the block, or does it have an adaptor to bolt into the boss in the side of the block?

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So does the pump bolt to the front of the block, or does it have an adaptor to bolt into the boss in the side of the block?



The pump bolts to the side of the block exactly like the stock waterpump. It looks like the outside housing is exactly the same. I think the only change is likely a larger impeller or passages.

Here's the link to my Edelbrock SD-TBI manifold on eBay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Pontiac-Super-Duty-SD-Intak...

Decided to clear some parts out.

Pics of the torque plate AND water pump info today, I promise!

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Bump for those pics...

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The engine is nearing completion. I believe by the end of July it may be put together.

Here's my TB I purchased:





It's a 90mm Accufab TB for a Mustang. A chatter brought up the possibility that the large opening size of this throttle body could have a bad impact on air velocity when it transitions from the intake tube into the TB mouth. I guess I'll see!

Nate


you know a 2.5 id throttle body will give awsum throttle response and easily support 400 hp
in a turbo application right ?

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Bully Stage 2 clutch
Syclone intake manifold and engine management with Moates adapter and chip burner
Air/water intercooler and Devil's Own progressive water/alky injection
50lb injectors, 3 bar map sensor, Walboro fuel pump and Jabasco Intercooler pump
LM1 wideband on custom manifolds and 3" stainless exhaust system
T31/T04B S4 turbo with a Super T61 in the box
S10 caliper conversion.
Murphy's Constant Matter will be damaged in direct proportion to its value
Murphy's Law of Thermodynamics Things get worse under pressure.
Arthur C. Clarke "Any significantly advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"

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you know a 2.5 id throttle body will give awsum throttle response and easily support 400 hp
in a turbo application right ?



Yes. I just wanted a clean looking throttle body and capability for alot more power down the road.

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