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The Official VR6 Engine Swap by bmwguru
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Page 15 is mine

 
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pic #2. Our friend starting the "work of art"


looks gay :P

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Page 15 is mine


looks gay :P




Well.... I guess I should scratch Florida off the VR-6 road trip planner...


Anyway, I should be able to post another pic Friday....

Stay tuned.....

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Awww sweet!!! Unicorns holding hands!!!
(the universal expression of heterosexuality, right?)

I hope somebody reproduces those hood graphics in a vinyl decal, so I can rock that style, too.
Kidding!

Awesome swap!

Are Eurovan VR6 engines/transmissions significantly different than their Jetta counterparts in any way?

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Awww sweet!!! Unicorns holding hands!!!
(the universal expression of heterosexuality, right?)

I hope somebody reproduces those hood graphics in a vinyl decal, so I can rock that style, too.
Kidding!

Awesome swap!

Are Eurovan VR6 engines/transmissions significantly different than their Jetta counterparts in any way?



It is actually Pegasus's...not unicorns (the wings were not brushed on yet). I keep telling Joey to post up the whole car because the hood design doesn't get proper credit without the rest of the paint. Maybe she will have a better pic, or you will have to wait until it is done 100%. The hard part with airbrushing is knowing when to stop. We didn't want to get a mural painted all over the car...but she wanted something crazy and suited for the car.

As for the Eurovan VR6...it is a different engine and transmission. The block is essentially the same, but the engine code is different...which makes it specific to the Eurovan. The intake is also a long runner fixed setup. Some are actually VR5 (5 cylinder VR engines)...depends on the year.
Go drive a stock 2000ish VR6 Jetta or Golf. Then imagine what it would feel like modded.
Like I said before, this VR6 grossly outperforms (in every aspect) my 3800s/c Fiero w/ 3.4 pulley.

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Like I said before, this VR6 grossly outperforms (in every aspect) my 3800s/c Fiero w/ 3.4 pulley.
Dave


Because of the power / weight ratios?

What are the respective weights anyways?

It would be really nice, especially because, isn't the Vr-6 down about 100hp ??tq from the 3800SC?

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More "in Progress" pics....

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Just wanted to iterate again,

You're My Hero!

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The paint is all Joey's idea....the engine swap was mine. This is "our" build. The teaser pics don't give justice to the final outcome. Joey won't post any more pics until it is back from the body shop. I am not looking forward to the bill, but the original estimate was $17,000. I was able to get the bill down some by working some angles, but this will be a one off paint job.
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I dropped off some last minute gaskets and clips to put the car back together... I don't argue with the body shop about the time frame cuz their work is excellent. They found some minor imperfections in the paint due to the air brusher being hands on artistic.

Those who have been able to sneak a peek.... Or twist Dave's arm enough to see the design... have all said its great.

I have been keeping in touch with the body guys... Trying to get them to hurry up and finish... I wanna drive my car!! But, then again, you can't rush quality.

I'll have Dave post one more pic friday... but that's it til I get her back...

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I'm really curious to see what engine bay treatments you guys did.
Seeing pictures of the VW community, I can see that some of these engine bays are very artistic, and either the engine cover, or the valve cover have been extensively modified to be .

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We left the engine bay stock looking, so that the engine can be easily identified as a VW engine to a non-dubber. Here is another not-finished pic and probably the last pic we will post until the car is 100% completed.
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...until the car is 100% completed.


and when will that be?

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and when will that be?


I am hoping to have the car back in Joey's hands by Friday the 19th. The body shop is running late as usual, but well worth the wait. The rim and tires should be in our hands by Wednesday. We went with a "suitable" rim for the swap and Cooper Zeon Sport A/S tires.
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I totally understand that you're going to wait until the car is complete to post add'l pictures, but when you do, would you mind posting all the ones you have of the paint-in-progress? Those kinds of pictures totally facinate me..

Beautiful work btw..

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No problem. I have about 30 or so "in progress" pics of the body shop work. i just mounted the tires on to the new "select" rims of choice today....not too bad, a 3 day turnaround time on having the rims delivered from the time ordered. Maybe Joey will let me post a pic of the rims and tires to keep this thread going until she picks up the car.
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Dave,
Have you considered doing something like this to show off the cool VR-6 engine?

Here with the Fiero engine:
 
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Here with the 3800SC engine:
 
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Engine Window with 'mood lighting'





I think a few others did something similar to a Fiero, but I can't find good search terms to find the threads/pics.

edit: I did find another thread with pics, and a howto:
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...050818-1-043857.html
I'm wondering if this were as easy on a notchie. Is the Vr-6 engine set lower than the stock 2.8l?

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COME ON, GUYS!!

Can't I get my car back and just be able to drive it for a while before you all start giving Dave ideas....

Bad enough he did the engine swap.... before I wanted him to...

Then he dropped it off to the body shop.... when I wasn't looking...

I'm only getting slightly frustrated that the "design" has been finished and the initial clear coat over it for about three weeks....

I understand body shops are busy, and the work involved is alot more detailed and intricate than your average engine swap....

But before you all go filling Dave's head with ideas on "improvements"....

Let me drive it around for a while...

BTW, keep your eyes peeled in O/T for a VR-6 road trip thread....

VR-6 Fiero... coming to your town SOON!!!


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BTW, keep your eyes peeled in O/T for a VR-6 road trip thread....

VR-6 Fiero... coming to your town SOON!!!
Joey


Nothing O/T about that. It's in a Fiero. So post it in GFC.
Many people don't frequent O/T as much anymore, and this is definitely Fiero related, so it should be in GFC.

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Nothing O/T about that. It's in a Fiero. So post it in GFC.
Many people don't frequent O/T as much anymore, and this is definitely Fiero related, so it should be in GFC.


Thanks!! I'll definitely post my road trip thread in GFC....

Any requests as to where I should plan on goin? Keep in mind... I would be leaving no earlier than a Friday morning and would have to be back home by that Monday night.... So make sure you check google maps to see if its possible... though I do recall driving over 4,000 miles in that same time frame last year....

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Edit to say... Dave wants me to stay close for the first road trip... So...I figure within 1500 miles is close, right?

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http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/075857.html
670 mi


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You know where I live now, stop by! I need to see the beauty in its all of its full Fiero-on-fire glory.
This one might actually make it up the driveway.

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'90 Camaro IROC-Z twin-turbo - sorta broke again still
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ARRRRRGHHH!!!! WHERE IS IT??? I stayed away from this thread for two whole months, and they haven't got the car back to you guys YET???? And NO pics??? "Where's my damn shotgun? Hmmmm,map, gas card, cup holder, astronaut diapers...that damn body shop is gonna regret this..."

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Thanks!! I'll definitely post my road trip thread in GFC....

Any requests as to where I should plan on goin? Keep in mind... I would be leaving no earlier than a Friday morning and would have to be back home by that Monday night.... So make sure you check google maps to see if its possible... though I do recall driving over 4,000 miles in that same time frame last year....

Joey

Edit to say... Dave wants me to stay close for the first road trip... So...I figure within 1500 miles is close, right?



Joey: Try driving out to Carlisle and join all of us at the huge car show next Saturday. For a champ driver as yourself 160 miles one way should be a cake walk. If you have not registered, twenty five unreserved spots are available to Fiero owners on the show field. Many Fiero owners would likew to see your one-of-a-kind flaming "VolksFiero" You can park it in the modified Fiero section and it will be an attention getter for sure.

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We went to go pick up the car today....not good news. The car needs to be reassembled and have all the trim installed. Since all the painting was done, we installed the new rims and tires, but couldn't bring it home today. They promised us Monday it would be done, so I assume by mid week we should have it back.
Joey was beyond pissed off and made it quite clear that she was not happy about them missing their deadline. I'd hate for them to rush it at the last minute and just finish it to 110%.
When the car comes back, I have to reassemble the interior and maybe I'll talk Joey into a set of Mr. Mike's seats.
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This is how the car looked when we showed up to pick it up. I managed to sneak a pic with the new rims on it. I snuck this pic in this thread 'cause Joey is too depressed to even look at this thread right now.
So, anyone recognize what factory car the rims are from? (and no guesses from Alltrbo, he gave us the idea for them)
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They look like a neighbors VW rims. Sorry to hear that your car is not ready. But, remember, perfection takes time. It will be worth the wait. I like how you are not showing the total package just yet.

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I'm going to guess Audi...TT?

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They are VW (Monte Carlo) rims usually found on a Jetta and GTI. I saw them on Alltrbo's car and decided they would be the perfect rim for the car being that the engine came from a 2000 Jetta. Using my sources, I located a brand new set at a very reasonable price. Also used the Fiero's lug nuts and caps.
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*shameless plug*

Here's my car, but it isn't painted like this just yet ( it's red, everything else is as shown). Dave has no part in its coming appearance, but Mr. Haus Guru here is playing much more than a small part in what's coming for the rest of the car!
I have the centercaps which will have Fiero logos on them, and I also have Fiero lugnuts and lugnut caps for them.


I mostly got the wheels idea from justa6, who is probably now annoyed that his unique Fiero wheels aren't so unique anymore, heh. He says he's changing the look of his wheels though, and won't give away any details yet.

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This is how the car looked when we showed up to pick it up. I managed to sneak a pic with the new rims on it. I snuck this pic in this thread 'cause Joey is too depressed to even look at this thread right now.
So, anyone recognize what factory car the rims are from? (and no guesses from Alltrbo, he gave us the idea for them)
Dave

OK... I'm over my depression... apparently when they said Friday... they didn't mean this past Friday.... or the Friday before that or the Friday before that, like they've been telling me.

I heard them say something about this Monday... but Dave says the amount of work they have yet to do, not to mention detailing the inside, is easily an ALL DAY PROJECT.

So, I won't be holding my breath for Monday....

Aside from being disappointed by the promised delivery date...

The car looks AWESOME!!! Well worth the wait... The rims look.... ok.

Maybe I'll let Dave post another "in progress" pic Monday... we'll see...

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Wow! This car has really come together since the last time I saw this thread. I'm not too sure on the airbrush work just yet. I'm sure it will be a really fine car though once its all back together. Good luck with it. I'm eagerly awaiting finished pics.

BTW, I have VW wheels on my Fiero also. I don't think I've ever seen another Fiero with my wheels.

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This hurts almost worse than waiting for naughty pics to load on dialup. *cry*

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When the car comes back, I have to reassemble the interior and maybe I'll talk Joey into a set of Mr. Mike's seats.
Dave


Or do a set of Ractive racing seats. They look pretty cool, and the microfiber (suede like) material will grip much better than leather. Otherwise you might need a 5-point belt not to slide around during your shenanigans.

http://www.streetbeatcustoms.com/tuc70040.html


Or you could do a set of these Recaros (they're pricey, but it might complete the "look" of the car quite well.) (I think these seats are also used on a German spec VW Golf derrivative, as well as the German spec Audi R8, so it'll be even more Vee-Dub )


Recaro Sportster CS:





Official Recaro page: http://www.recaro.com/index...id=3732®ion=3&L=2 (although it can be had much cheaper on Flea-bay and other internet dealers)

Mr. Mikes is a great idea as well. I really like his seats.
It's just hard to get him to do Microfiber, since you have to send him the material.

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I removed the racing seats from my orange and black car. the Mr. Mikes seat are much more comfy.
As for the VR6 it is now tomorrow (again) and we should get it back. I'll post up some pics in the afternoon.
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