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The Turbo 3500 F23 swap by ericjon262
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Report this Post10-03-2011 11:26 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ericjon262Send a Private Message to ericjon262Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
all of my pictures went away, photo****it decided I needed to pay them a ridiculous amount of money, I'll eventually reload them and bring this back up to speed... maybe.

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you had me untill the oil filter plumbing
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Originally posted by Niterrorz:

you had me untill the oil filter plumbing


the oil filter would sit right against the side of the a/c compressor, I also didn't want rubber lines where I couldn't access them for inspection. I'm not 100% where the filter will be when I'm done. The adapter's ports are 1/2" pipe thread and I can put a couple of tack welds on the 1/2" gas pipe to secure it 100% when it's set.

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Nice progress. I'm going to second the oil filter plumbing redo. If you want hard lines get an adapter for 3/8" or 1/2" brake line. That stuff is HEAVY and will probably crack your filter adapter.

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Looking good....I have been waiting on some detailed build Threads on the newer motors out there. Keep it up....
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Originally posted by neophile_17:

Nice progress. I'm going to second the oil filter plumbing redo. If you want hard lines get an adapter for 3/8" or 1/2" brake line. That stuff is HEAVY and will probably crack your filter adapter.

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I'm going to make a support bracket to hold it up, it won't be free standing like that when completed. it's also the same inside diameter as the adapters, so there won't be a significant restriction to flow. it's not set in stone yet, but I probably won't go with brake line, it's too small, 1/2" brake line is 1/2" out side, 1/2" pipe is 1/2" inside.

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I'm skeptical that you need a full 1/2" ID for this but you could run 5/8" Aluminum fuel line if you wanted to save weight and keep a 1/2" minimum ID.

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and bookmarked

Looking good so far. I'm most interested in seeing the F23 come together with the 3500. I'm sure you know this but after you get your 3400 harmonic balance on, don't forget to gap the external 7x crank trigger to 0.050 inches. You also kind of lost me on that oil filter adapter. I know I mentioned using a 3400 AC compressor but if you want to go with the relocation, why not turn those 90 degree bends towards the driver's side of the car. There is a ton more room there (on my swap) then near the battery where your oil filter looks to be heading.

Anyway interested in seeing your build.
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Originally posted by ericjon262:



Gotta love bolting in an additional 700 cc's and 50% more horsepower to the original mounts.
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LOL. The only thing I didn't cheap out on with my 3400 swap was Rodney's polyurethane mounts. Of course I have to convince some skeptical people it cost me less than $500 too. It was close enough.

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that timing cover looks familiar...
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Originally posted by Will:


Gotta love bolting in an additional 700 cc's and 50% more horsepower to the original mounts.


The mount is for mockup only, I'm ordering rodney's poly mount on payday.

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just a little update, I got my balancer in with the 24x ring.

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unfortunately progress is going pretty slow, 40+ hours a week at work, then work on my house, keeping my truck running ect... and on top of that, the last 2 days off I've had have consisted of working on other peoples cars!

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I demand that you update both sites!
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The mount is for mockup only, I'm ordering rodney's poly mount on payday.

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yep, that's your old one!




I meant that *ZERO* fab was necessary to mount the engine.
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I meant that *ZERO* fab was necessary to mount the engine.


oh, I thought you were being sarcastic about the 26 year old mount being used, there is a small amount of clearancing nessacary on the oilpan of the 3500, but nothing a sidegrinder can't take care of.

Purchased a mount from rodney, but I think I'm going to make a new mount for the front to replace it, I may have a better way...

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I demand that you update both sites!


oops, forgot about the build thread I had(have) over here...I'll see about posting some updates to the fiero crowd later tonight...

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You could try and wire wheel the welds and go over them with the tig. Tape off the ends, poke a small hole for air to escape and purge with argon and the inside will weld up nice too. Just a thought.
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Nice!

Is that cut out on the driver side to clear the tie rod mount?
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First time seeing this thread, looking good! I finished my 3800/F23 recently, and the F23 works great! Too high gearing in my opinion, but it's still really fun, it just hates traffic.

And there is something about nice looking bumper-pads that appeal to me for some reason...
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I plan to lower the car, but otherwise, I think i'll leave the body stock, or very stock appearing.
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So happy to see the whole engine being installed. I've done a lot of experimenting along these lines, unless you intend for someone else that lacks the stamina to turn the relatively practical powersteeringless Fiero, I strongly advise you to ditch the addition of power steering. You have enough going on already with a tranny, engine and turbo swap going on at the same time. I've been there and I speak from experience, KEEP IT SIMPLE until the base install is complete and functional.

STOP! with the plumber rendition, get that crap off of that motor now, you're asking for trouble. Even supported I wouldn't trust that pipe on that light duty oil bypass adaptor. If you're afraid of rubber hose in that application, braided steel line will put you at ease, siliconeintakes has everything you need at very reasonable prices. I can't emphasize it enough, that pipe needs to come off.

Otherwise it looks good and should be a lot more fun to drive than what you are prepared for if you turbocharge it. That body style is one of the lightest produced, you might need to put a few bricks in it to keep it on the ground.

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I see you intend to use the stock fuel rail, do not use the Mallory bypass adjustable fuel pressure regulator, I read poor reviews about it after purchasing it and am experiencing one of the complaints; inconsistent fuel pressure which I believe is part of the reason I can't completely eliminate idle hunt.

For the oil bypass setup I used a 90 degree flat adaptor with the 3900 block mount adaptor which is a little shorter than the one your motor came with and it cleared the cradle easily.
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I see where you're going with the front tranny mount now... I need to get started on this, but the lift I am going to be using is being used to make money right now...

 
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I see you intend to use the stock fuel rail, do not use the Mallory bypass adjustable fuel pressure regulator, I read poor reviews about it after purchasing it and am experiencing one of the complaints; inconsistent fuel pressure which I believe is part of the reason I can't completely eliminate idle hunt.

For the oil bypass setup I used a 90 degree flat adaptor with the 3900 block mount adaptor which is a little shorter than the one your motor came with and it cleared the cradle easily.


What do you suggest for an FPR then? I believe one of the examples I've seen just uses a stock 3400 FPR modified to work remotely... I am doing a similar install, without the turbo, in my 88 utilizing the returnless rail of the 3500...
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Can you enlighten me as to what you mean by "the whole engine"



My guess is all the recent interest in putting iron heads on GenIII blocks...
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My guess is all the recent interest in putting iron heads on GenIII blocks...


Exactly! Back when tuning software was scarce along with good documentation it was understandable but not now.

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anyone want to donate money (or parts) to the turbo 3500 fund?


I'd like to, but by the time I finish laughing you'll be finished with the project. It gets expensive fast and the most costly of all is over ambition, poor planning, then coming up with good plans and not following them and finally getting good advice and not following it, been there and done it.
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