Hmm i get the impression you think i hate gays.Or there is always an or isn't there? If i had a child that would be the least of my problems.ha i do think i would understand a lot more about it.But that wouldn't be my choice would it?Thing is i don't want to know anymore about it.I'm happy with the decisions others make as long as it doesn't bother me.I find the whole deal very disgusting.Your concern for this issue interests me though.
Nah man.. Never said that.. I predict this conversation will go quite calm and civilized for some reason.. Gut feeling I suppose.. anyways.. I have heard a lot more hatred in a much shorter period of time than you have shown.. But I'm always curious to hear what others say on the subject. I mean, the odd time, i'll be heard as saying "thats gay" as a derogotory term, but it's not what I mean at all.. Somewhere, years ago, i realized it's quite alright, if not a positive aspect, to like gays, and blacks, lesbians, etc.. It might have been the music I listened to, or the people who sang it.. It probably wasn't my parental influence, althougth one never had a problem with it (I still argue about it with the other one though..).. But my thinking was, why hate someone for something they have no control over.. And a lot of homophobes say "They have control over it".. But I have seen, with my own eyes, a lot (well, some, I guess I should say) of people grow up, with the most, well, 'traditional' views around, and they turn out to be gay.. Lets just say, their parents don't think too highly of it I don't think.. But anyways, what I have learned, is it's not up to the individual.. And even from their point of view, they would rather have grown up to be straight.. Why hate a black man for being black? They had no control over it..
Even though Gridlock comes off as being insensitive, I have to agree with him. Fiero5 I couldn't give a rat's ass if your pet died, and I bet if one of my pets died none of you would care about it either. The thing I hate is how you seem to think you're great and superior and that you're some kind of royalty, and that people actually care about what happens in your life. Like how you show off your car to everyone expecting them to like it, and somehow winning car shows proves that it looks good and I should change my opinion about it. I've shown several of my friends it (friends that have hondas and civics that are slightly riced) pictures of your car over the internet and they agree that its ugly. It being ugly isn't a fact, its an opinion. Some people like onions, some people don't. Fact is that when your kid is old enough to finally use "his car", he'll probably be so embarassed by its looks that he won't drive it. When I was his age (6 years ago or so, isnt he like 12?) I was immature (still am slightly, heh), and I get embarassed whenever I get reminded of what I liked back then. This fast and the furious phase isn't going to last forever (we all hope). I normally don't express my opinions, I usually like to sit back and watch everyone else go at it, but some people like Bill and Fiero5 just piss me off too much. You don't even see a picture of my car in my sig (because I don't have Photoshop on this computer), and to see it you have to look in my profile for my cardomain address. Back on the pets issue...I have 1 cat and 1 dog, and I've have 3 cats and 1 parakeet to die in the past. Sure I felt sad, but not sad enough to make poems for them and post them on the internet trying to bring attention to myself and get people to feel sorry for me. Fiero5 before you post anything I want you to think about how the people on this board would react to it. I'm doing that right now and I know that I'm probably going to get covered with flaming **** because of this post.
Grid, dude, I disagree with you at times, but I gave you a plus because you're pretty damn hilarious.
Bill, you're pretty immature, the name calling and such is what I would expect from a 8 year old in an elementary school playground, not with a grown man.
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And I couldn't give a rats a__ that you don't give a rats a__, so where does that leave us? But apparently you do if just a little or you wouldn't have taken the time to bump up this thread again. Why do some people who obviously don't like a certain thread/person at all always seem to want/have to always click reply and post anyway? As for your giving out +'s to at least one for obvious rude and insulting behavior (and then bash another member for behavior that wasn't even half as bad), whatever floats your boat I guess.
This thread has pretty much taken it's course and then some, with both nice and not so nice opinions/comments. So do you think we can just let it die now? It's served it's purpose. I certainly can't see any reason to keep this going anymore, especially if it's just for no other reason than for more cheap shots, insults and negative comments.
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But I'm always curious to hear what others say on the subject. I mean, the odd time, i'll be heard as saying "thats gay" as a derogotory term, but it's not what I mean at all.. Somewhere, years ago, i realized it's quite alright, if not a positive aspect, to like gays, and blacks, lesbians, etc.. It might have been the music I listened to, or the people who sang it.. It probably wasn't my parental influence, althougth one never had a problem with it (I still argue about it with the other one though..).. But my thinking was, why hate someone for something they have no control over.. And a lot of homophobes say "They have control over it".. But I have seen, with my own eyes, a lot (well, some, I guess I should say) of people grow up, with the most, well, 'traditional' views around, and they turn out to be gay.. Lets just say, their parents don't think too highly of it I don't think.. But anyways, what I have learned, is it's not up to the individual.. And even from their point of view, they would rather have grown up to be straight.. Why hate a black man for being black? They had no control over it..
