can you make it to American Pie saturday at 1-1:30ish? the Ga. Fieros Club will be meeting there.. i'll be there along with Raydar(Steve), 1SLO2M6(Myles), Fiero Child(Chuck), MrPbody(uum don't rememer his name) and RodrV6(Rodney) hope to see ya there.
I'm sorry but Ford engines rule.. The 5.0 with a fantastic engine, with more aftermarket than you can shake a stick at (what the hell does that mean, anyways)
Not sure what the Camaro and Firebird are going to be when they come back, but this pony is going to be playing with the Z06 and M3 by the time they return.
I'm gonna go see if I can test drive a new stang at the local ford dealership.. way out of my budget, but it'd be fun.. plus I've never been in a V8 stang before.. a friend in high school had a 4cyl mustang LX.. that was just funny.
Originally posted by Performance1: Well, I went to Ford.com and check it out, and I must say, Im am impressed with the Mustang.......SVT that is.
I think its time for Corvette to kick it up a notch, a ZO6 only having 15hp more? COME ON!!! This is getting ridiculous!!!
At least they don't have to put a speed limiter on 'vettes due to aerodynamic instibility at high speeds.
Where's the benefit of overhead cams? All I see is the benefit of a supercharger. Don't get me wrong, it's a decent car and all, but why do they take the easy way out when it comes to making power?
Originally posted by Pontiaddict: ...Where's the benefit of overhead cams? All I see is the benefit of a supercharger. Don't get me wrong, it's a decent car and all, but why do they take the easy way out when it comes to making power?
There's a big difference in displacement, and I would venture to guess the low-end grunt of the SC'd SVT would appeal well to their clientele. Mated to the high-end DOHC, you appeal to both the tech crowd as well as the torque crowd. -> and that's hard to do.
It may be fast and all but it still looks like a sedan not a sports car. When you sit in a stang it feels like you are sitting in a Taurus. The interior is so plain. I think ford uses the same headlights on every car they make. To me they just dont look good and especially dont look like a sports car. Sports cars are supposed to look sleek and slim with some curves, the stang doesnt fit that.
Originally posted by Mattyman: It may be fast and all but it still looks like a sedan not a sports car. When you sit in a stang it feels like you are sitting in a Taurus. The interior is so plain. I think ford uses the same headlights on every car they make. To me they just dont look good and especially dont look like a sports car. Sports cars are supposed to look sleek and slim with some curves, the stang doesnt fit that.
PLEASE....do NOT classify this vehicle as a "sports car". Sports cars are supposed to be fast as well as HANDLE, something that the Mustangs lack sufficiently.
Originally posted by Mattyman: It may be fast and all but it still looks like a sedan not a sports car. When you sit in a stang it feels like you are sitting in a Taurus. The interior is so plain. I think ford uses the same headlights on every car they make. To me they just dont look good and especially dont look like a sports car. Sports cars are supposed to look sleek and slim with some curves, the stang doesnt fit that.
PLEASE....do NOT classify this vehicle as a "sports car". Sports cars are supposed to be fast as well as HANDLE, something that the Mustangs lack sufficiently.
Originally posted by Pontiaddict: At least they don't have to put a speed limiter on 'vettes due to aerodynamic instibility at high speeds.
Where's the benefit of overhead cams? All I see is the benefit of a supercharger. Don't get me wrong, it's a decent car and all, but why do they take the easy way out when it comes to making power?
Last I heard... GM was working with Toyota to develope a DHOC engine for the next gen. of Corvettes.
Performance1: Yeah, lets not classify Mustangs as sports cars... They handle better than most cars on the road... Lets call the Fiero a sports car, because it's suspension is made up with 80's econoboxes (Chevette comes to mind.. now that was a real handler...)
Originally posted by GTFiero1: i doubt that. The vette has had before a DOHC engine.
Actually the Hydroformed frame of the c5 was designed to accomodate a 4 cam motor.
The reason the Zr1 wasn't more successful was a very expensive powertrian. When you start to outsource to Mercury Marine to build motors , and lotus to design them , costs go way way up.
Performance1, hey I said that stangs were not sports cars. Maybe you just read over my post to fast or something. Just wanted to make sure so you didnt think I was a mustang lover or something like that.
Originally posted by JohnnyK: Performance1: Yeah, lets not classify Mustangs as sports cars... They handle better than most cars on the road... Lets call the Fiero a sports car, because it's suspension is made up with 80's econoboxes (Chevette comes to mind.. now that was a real handler...)
See, here we go again! JohnnK, just because YOU have a mustang, doesnt mean that they are the best cars. And your always disrespecting the Fieros as if they are POSs.
1) Mustangs handle better than most cars on the road? HA..thats a joke! My moms Plymouth Breeze probably hadnles better that thing. Admit it dude, the handeling SUCKS, even my boss who HAS a new mustang says "Yea, they are a bit squirrly". Come on man...
2) Call Fieros sports cars....NO SH!T...they are! Are you saying that its NOT a sports car because of its age? Correct me if Im wrong, but my 14yr old Formula is still competing with the newer generation MR2s. A sports car, I think so.
Just relax, calm down, and admit that Mustangs handle like complete SH!T! Get over it, quit defending it..... it is NOT a sports car and they dont handle the road. PERIOD. (.)-PERIOD
Originally posted by GTFiero1: actually, the new Z06 has 405hp and the standard C5 has 350. Also the Z06 weighs a few hundred pounds less
Yes, I know....that is why I stated that the ZO6 only has 15hp MORE than the Mustang. 390 + 15 = 405. But I didnt know that the ZO6 weighed a few hundred pounds less, I didnt look into that. I was probably to suprised and didnt even think of the weight factor
I personally think the GTs handle pretty well. And I would suspect that the SVT would be much better. They don't have the low center of gravity that a Corvette or similar has, but it definatly doesn't ride like your average sedan. I never cared for Mustangs all that much till I took it out for a test drive. My only complaint about the car itself was the lack of a console of anykind (seems you could put one in seeing as how it is RWD) and I would miss the feeling of sitting on the floor.
I'm a Fiero lover too (And I didn't have a mustang before when I was defending them. I only got it a few days ago!).. Have you guys ever DRIVEN a stock fiero? They are not exactly great handlers.. No, they are NOT sports cars.. Just because you love them doesn't make them $100000 cars.. They have 92 and 140 hp.. hardly a ball of fire.. What were they advertised as.. Hmmm.. Econo commuter cars..
I saw the new Mustang up close and personal on Saturday. It was at the Custom Compact Power Jam in Carlisle Pa. It was sweet looking. Has different front and rear facias, with brake ducts in the front by the fog lights. They also had the Focus SVT, but even better was the Euro spec Focus with the Duratech V6. Hope to see everybody at the MAFOA Fiero's at Carlisle show on May 18th.
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1988 Fiero Formula T-Top # 1008 of 1252 (5 Spd White/ Grey)
Originally posted by JohnnyK: I'm a Fiero lover too (And I didn't have a mustang before when I was defending them. I only got it a few days ago!).. Have you guys ever DRIVEN a stock fiero? They are not exactly great handlers.. No, they are NOT sports cars.. Just because you love them doesn't make them $100000 cars.. They have 92 and 140 hp.. hardly a ball of fire.. What were they advertised as.. Hmmm.. Econo commuter cars..
So, by your definition, a Mustang isn't a sports car either.
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Live Axle 'stangs? don't even joke, it's so not funny :P)
The indipendant stangs (read; Cobra, Cobra R) are still kind of jokes. I had no trouble turning around one on Sears Point's 2.52mile road course. Me with 140hp, him with 320. Passed him hard, like a rented mule.
Best! Ben.
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Originally posted by JohnnyK: Performance1: Yeah, lets not classify Mustangs as sports cars... They handle better than most cars on the road... Lets call the Fiero a sports car, because it's suspension is made up with 80's econoboxes (Chevette comes to mind.. now that was a real handler...)
------------------ Ben Cannon 88 Formula, T-top, Metalic Red. (2:13.138 at Sears Point) "Every Man Dies, not every man really Lives" 88 Formula, Northstar, Silver, In-Progreess. -Mel Gibson, "Braveheart"
Originally posted by Slammed Fiero: Actually the Hydroformed frame of the c5 was designed to accomodate a 4 cam motor.
The reason the Zr1 wasn't more successful was a very expensive powertrian. When you start to outsource to Mercury Marine to build motors , and lotus to design them , costs go way way up.
JM
ALL true but you also get a TON of HP.. not sure what factory claimed on it, but a guy i autox with has one that dynoed @ 375hp.. . At the REAR WHEELS. 7K RPM redline... me likes.. now that engine would be fun in a fiero.. screw the northstar
Originally posted by JohnnyK: I'm a Fiero lover too (And I didn't have a mustang before when I was defending them. I only got it a few days ago!).. Have you guys ever DRIVEN a stock fiero? They are not exactly great handlers.. No, they are NOT sports cars.. Just because you love them doesn't make them $100000 cars.. They have 92 and 140 hp.. hardly a ball of fire.. What were they advertised as.. Hmmm.. Econo commuter cars..
Fieros arent exactly great handlers? ARE YOU ON CRACK?
1) Seriously, ARE you on crack? 2) Have I driven a stock Fiero? Yeeeees, I have 2...both 88s......what kinda question is that??? 3)When did I say they were $10000000000000 cars? Hardly... 3)Hp...doesnt really matter too much in classification of sports cars, MR2s have 200, NOT a sports car? Hell, the Fiero beats an older Ferrari(cant remember, lost the paper), but is a Ferrari NOT a sports car then because its hp? Nooooo. 4) Commuter car....TRUE....yet
So please, just be quiet, while your not to far behind.
Originally posted by JohnnyK: Uhh.. where in that thread did I define what a sports car is? Because I have no clue. I'd say it's much more a sports car than Fiero's, yes..
They handle better than most cars on the road... Lets call the Fiero a sports car, because it's suspension is made up with 80's econoboxes (Chevette comes to mind.. now that was a real handler...) 
