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Any socialism fans in the house? by 2.5
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Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:

Any antisocialists fans in the house


I'm anti-social.
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The PMs you were getting...



I haven't got pms in quite a while. PMs about what id ask, from who, but you'd likely think I was trying to put you in a narrative, perhaps like you like to do to me.
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I'm anti-social.


Social Distortion fan, but only the musical variety.

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I haven't got pms in quite a while. PMs about what id ask, from who, but you'd likely think I was trying to put you in a narrative, perhaps like you like to do to me.

Leftist controlled media spread false stories about Conservatives. People like Furgal and sourboy do the same thing for the same reason. It is much easier to bring down everyone around you than to improve yourself.
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Originally posted by williegoat:

Leftist controlled media spread false stories about Conservatives. People like Furgal and sourboy do the same thing for the same reason. It is much easier to bring down everyone around you than to improve yourself.


You called Trump supporters "White supremacists just like the media, BLM and Antifa does. You did this to virtue signal by bringing other people down. You're limp, willie.
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You called Trump supporters "White supremacists just like the media, BLM and Antifa does. You did this to virtue signal by bringing other people down. You're limp, willie.

Post the link, boy.
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Originally posted by williegoat:

Post the link, boy.


In this very thread I've already proved you'll complain, then you'll lie, then you'll admit it and then defend doing what you cry others do.

As far as ethics and conservatism, you're limp, willie. You're pegged, willie.
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Discussion with you is as productive as discussing physics with a Magic Eight Ball. You just keep repeating the same random, meaningless words, over and over.

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Your answer is sticking your fingers in your ears and blabbering.

For half a year you've been understandably silent on politics since you outed yourself repeating that Trump supporters are White supremacists. You've avoided discussions like they were a Covid virus.

Now you've screwed your courage up to stick your neck out again. Sure hope you've learned something about yourself since then?
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I don't remember williegoat referencing Trump supporters as "White supremacists."

This assertion, that he ever said such a thing, leaves me asking where or how I could find that in the forum's archives?

I think this can only be a misleading distortion of something that williegoat said. Like part of what he said on that occasion (if there were such an occasion) is being forgotten or omitted, to create a false impression about what he actually said.

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Actually, that quote is from an interesting youtube channel entitled "Louder with Crowder".

You might enjoy it, give a view!
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Originally posted by rinselberg:

I don't remember williegoat referencing Trump supporters as "White supremacists."

This assertion, that he ever said such a thing, leaves me asking where or how I could find that in the forum's archives?

I think this can only be a misleading distortion of something that williegoat said. Like part of what he said on that occasion (if there were such an occasion) is being forgotten or omitted, to create a false impression about what he actually said.

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~ Pennock's former member olejoedad

Thank you for your support. I think most here know where I stand on most issues, though they may disagree. I have always been open, honest, consistent and civil. I try to address most disagreements with humor, rather than vitriol. It seems that a few find that infuriating.

What we have here is another member who, like Furgal and for whatever deranged motive, is trying to bring down this forum by creating as much conflict and doubt as possible.

On a side note: I was taken aback when I saw that you referred to olejoedad as a "former member". I was relieved to see that he posted, subsequently. Is that a "typo" or is there a joke I am missing?
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Oops. It was supposed to be "forum member." Not "former member."
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Originally posted by williegoat:

Thank you for your support. I think most here know where I stand on most issues, though they may disagree. I have always been open, honest, consistent and civil. I try to address most disagreements with humor, rather than vitriol. It seems that a few find that infuriating.


Lol! Yeah, right! What a crock.

 
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What we have here is another member who, like Furgal and for whatever deranged motive, is trying to bring down this forum by creating as much conflict and doubt as possible.


Good grief. You shouldn't be whining so much when you call people names on the forum.
It's your intolerance and denying your real positions that is causing YOU grief.

I don't make the truth. I just observe it.

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With some of the insane BS that's spouted here in O/T, it wouldn't be hard to be a former member....

I'm spending more time in Tech and Chat in an effort to help other owners with their rides.

It's a much more positive vibe.

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

I don't remember williegoat referencing Trump supporters as "White supremacists."


So? I do. He does, too.

 
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This assertion, that he ever said such a thing, leaves me asking where or how I could find that in the forum's archives?


What has been seen can not be unseen. I saw it and called him out on it.

 
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I think this can only be a misleading distortion of something that williegoat said. Like part of what he said on that occasion (if there were such an occasion) is being forgotten or omitted, to create a false impression about what he actually said.


Your statement is a distortion. He said it and it can't be unsaid.


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Let me describe the statement since you don't remember what he posted. He's a proud Trump voter. Nothing wrong with that. Surely you've heard BLM and Antifa say that all Trump supporters are racist, White supremacists that need to be punched in the face? They have a saying of, Punch a NAZI in the face. It's everywhere outside his rallies. They cuss children walking in too. Incidents such as Nick Sandmann getting verbally abused and then all of media inciting violence against a 17 year old who was being aggressed against is the norm. All Trump supporters to them, without exception, are evil. Media supports that.

Well, willie (he has called himself willie on this forum) posted a comment about some Trumpers being just what BLM and Antifa call all Trumpers.

I pointed out what is obvious to anyone; that as a Trump supporter he is exactly the person that BLM and Antifa say to punch in the face.

It's aid and comfort to the enemy. It's repeating the radical left's insanity.

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Wrong button was pushed.

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Originally posted by sourmash:

Let me describe the statement since you don't remember what he posted. He's a proud Trump voter. Nothing wrong with that. Surely you've heard BLM and Antifa say that all Trump supporters are racist, White supremacists that need to be punched in the face? They have a saying of, Punch a NAZI in the face. It's everywhere outside his rallies. They cuss children walking in too. Incidents such as Nick Sandmann getting verbally abused and then all of media inciting violence against a 17 year old who was being aggressed against is the norm. All Trump supporters to them, without exception, are evil. Media supports that.

Well, willie (he has called himself willie on this forum) posted a comment about some Trumpers being just what BLM and Antifa call all Trumpers.

I pointed out what is obvious to anyone; that as a Trump supporter he is exactly the person that BLM and Antifa say to punch in the face.

It's aid and comfort to the enemy. It's repeating the radical left's insanity.



I just used the QUOTE function to post your words.

You could do the same thing to prove your assertation as to williegoat's comments.
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Originally posted by sourmash:

Let me describe the statement since you don't remember what he posted. He's a proud Trump voter. Nothing wrong with that. Surely you've heard BLM and Antifa say that all Trump supporters are racist, White supremacists that need to be punched in the face? They have a saying of, Punch a NAZI in the face. It's everywhere outside his rallies. They cuss children walking in too. Incidents such as Nick Sandmann getting verbally abused and then all of media inciting violence against a 17 year old who was being aggressed against is the norm. All Trump supporters to them, without exception, are evil. Media supports that.

Well, willie (he has called himself willie on this forum) posted a comment about some Trumpers being just what BLM and Antifa call all Trumpers.

I pointed out what is obvious to anyone; that as a Trump supporter he is exactly the person that BLM and Antifa say to punch in the face.

It's aid and comfort to the enemy. It's repeating the radical left's insanity.

So williegoat did not say, flat out, without any further qualification or narrowing of it, that "Trump supporters are White supremacists."

He was talking about some Trump supporters or "Trumpers", as sourmash has put it.

It's what I thought was the case.

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

So williegoat did not say, flat out, without any further qualification or narrowing of it, that "Trump supporters are White supremacists."

He was talking about some Trump supporters or "Trumpers", as sourmash has put it.

It's what I thought was the case.


No. He cannot post a link, because those are not my words.

This is starting to sound just like this thread from a few years ago: https://www.fiero.nl/forum/...ML/120640-3.html#p91
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Originally posted by rinselberg:

So williegoat did not say, flat out, without any further qualification or narrowing of it, that "Trump supporters are White supremacists."

He was talking about some Trump supporters or "Trumpers", as sourmash has put it.

It's what I thought was the case.



Did you see the quote? No. You read a synopsis. It's as I thought, and as you do on many of your posts. Deflect.

willie knows he said it. He knows he calls people names in an attempt to belittle people. He knows he asserted that he doesn't and then acknowledged that he does. He then said it's the same as using MEM as an abbreviation. That confirms an ethical position. willie isnt all that honest. wllie agreed with BLM and Antifa.

Why does that trouble you? Why can't he just be who he is instead of who you want him to be?

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I just used the QUOTE function to post your words.

You could do the same thing to prove your assertation as to williegoat's comments.


He was quoted when he posted it. You aren't involved and weren't interested, obviously. The issue was already resolved.

The only thing that matters is that he knows I called him on it. It's why he quit posting about politics for months.
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Originally posted by sourmash:

It's why he quit posting about politics for months.

Yeah, I'm sure everyone believes that. I am a political junkie, it's a weakness. Now tell everyone I admitted to being a weak junkie.
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Yeah, I'm sure everyone believes that. I am a political junkie, it's a weakness. Now tell everyone I admitted to being a weak junkie.


Since when do I care about everyone? You're group think, and I'm not. It's only important that you know that I know.

I'm perfectly content with you being who you are. Don't fret over what I see and remember. You do you.
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He was quoted when he posted it. You aren't involved and weren't interested, obviously. The issue was already resolved.

The only thing that matters is that he knows I called him on it. It's why he quit posting about politics for months.


Speaking of asinine BS...
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Speaking of asinine BS...


Yes, your posts are all slanted toward that commodity.
Why would you be butt hurt about this? Hiw does it concern you? You're peculiar. Is it narcissism?
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I want to take this from the particular and the concrete, to the theoretical and the abstract.

Harry tells me that Brandon said "Trump supporters are White supremacists."

If that is all the information that I have about what Brandon said, then I am in something of a quandary.

Was Brandon trying to assert that "All Trump supporters are White supremacists," or that "Trump supporters are always White supremacists?"

Or was Brandon describing a particular situation where he (Brandon) perceived that there were Trump supporters on hand that were (and possibly and even very likely still are) White supremacists--? In which case it would be technically accurate for Harry to tell me that Brandon said "Trump supporters are White supremacists." But it would also be very misleading on Harry's part, and very disingenuous of Harry, for Harry to tell me that Brandon said "Trump supporters are White supremacists."

How seemingly paradoxical . . . why is that?

It's the temporal ambiguity. Harry is telling me that Brandon said "Trump supporters are White supremacists." But is that what Brandon would have said, in the moment when he was observing the aforementioned "particular situation"--? Is that what Brandon would say right now, at this moment? Or would Brandon say to me, right now--if Brandon were going to speak to me about this--that he (Brandon) had observed a (particular) situation where "Trump supporters were White supremacists." In which case, Brandon could equally well say "Some Trump supporters are White supremacists. I know this, because I saw such a situation with my very own eyes--about a year ago."

It's like the difference between a broad brush--nay, a paint roller--or nay, nay, a paint sprayer--and a detailing brush or even a touchup applicator.

Makes all the difference in the world.

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Anyway, about the thread topic



Anyone disagree with his take?
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Rinse, I've told you before that I don't read your text walls.

The only thing that matters to me is that willie knows and I know, and he knows that I know.

Let him be who he is. He's over 18 years old.
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Yes, your posts are all slanted toward that commodity.
Why would you be butt hurt about this? Hiw does it concern you? You're peculiar. Is it narcissism?


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The only thing that matters to me is that willie knows ...

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Feel free to do it in PMs.

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Anyway, about the thread topic

To me, the bottom line is that Capitalism advances civilization while Socialism causes stagnation, then eventual decay.
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To me, the bottom line is that Capitalism advances civilization while Socialism causes stagnation, then eventual decay.


For sure, thats mentioned in his speech too.
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Geez. Cuba is a victm of strangulation by Western governments. It isn't left to thrive. And the fact that it still exists tells us something.
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remember the nut-con's of afgan are the tali-ban
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Learn tolerance. It's their country.
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