Your statemwnt is clear; Germans supported the National Socialists because it was the lazy thing to do and Germans in the Weimar were not being turned into victims of a new Sodom. Hyperinflation and starvation is laziness and looking to blame others for making them.starve. They weren't being brutalized by Poles or others. They weren't being bilked for war costs.
You're the guy who called Trump supporters White supremacists exactly like BLM, Antifa and radicals do, and it's most likely so you can virtue signal to save your neck if it comes your time for the radicals to come after you. You'll throw others under the bus instead. You have a typical non-conservative position. Why are you upset if I observe it? Just be you.
No actually you inferred that. Go ahead and ask him if thats what he said. Here is his quote: "Yep, socialism, including the Nazi version, appeals to some because it allows them to blame someone else for their failures. Capitalism, on the other hand, encourages people to improve their own lives. This does not appeal to lazy people." I'll add two questions: who did Hitler blame for their societies Ills, who needed to be "removed"? Now I'm no expert but here is my other question , you probably know this, were all german citizens Nazis? Was there a public that the nazi's tried to influence?
Were they all NAZIs? Was it called NAZI Germany? Yes. Was that the party elected to power? Yes. People vote for socialism to raise themselves up, just as the Germans did. That's exactly how the party came into power. They were NOT strong armed into it. willie is not infrequently wrong and it's because his beliefs on some topics are based on Hollywood propaganda. No, the people were not all NSDAP.
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Here's the thing we dont know what you believe, so I wouldnt be shocked it people ask questions in order to learn more. You can claim people are triggered, it equates to name calling though. I havent seen anyone claim you are a " leftist or a radical anything." so I'm not sure why you brought that up.
So you aren't watching them. You're taking his side while he's the guy who calls me NAZI by saying I have lightning bolts on my neck.
So, YOU are a "we"? Group think isn't a virtue and it isn't helping you in this issue. Be yourself. Worry about yourself. It'll be less confusing for you.
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The closest I've come is things adding up to you not liking Isreal, and not liking the US.
And there it is. I knew it, but you didn't want to admit it until now. You didn't think it was obvious?! You're trying to create a reason to dismiss my critiques against Republicans. I bash the left. Republicans represent the left and they don't get a pass. Deal with it. Me observing it isn't what makes it happen. Support your statement. I have plenty to say about Dems, BLM, Antifa, Republicans in the GOP, CRT and barely ever mention Israel, 90% of that mentioning is when someone here brings it up. And that's where you're triggered and why you're provoking. Do you live in America? I do. I'm American over any nation. Any nation placed above America is an issue for everyone.
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Next to that sympathetic claims for Nazis. I know there are such things as devils advocates, but when that is all they are they dont accomplish much. Usually the devils advocate is an approach to get to a point.
You have sympathetic claims for NAZIs? Yeah, there you go. You asked if all Germans were NAZIs and now you're using that tack that they are as accepted fact. Hypocrite much? My statement all along is the same to you as it is to Ray b. Actions cause reactions. There is no sympathy for authoritarian regimes. If you provoke people, they will eventually respond. Without the communism, oppressive poverty and hyperinflation which was caused by the Treaty of Versailles, there would be no NAZI power. How does AMERICA RESEMBLE 1930s GERMANY? Those who refuse to learn history...
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Sounds like we are misunderstanding each other on top of all the rest. I will say I have not seen anything resembling solutions suggested. Maybe I missed them. (Also I dont read all threads) I dont "pin people to political machines". I treat people as individuals. Though yes typically groups of people thinking like minded do get things done, lol. At the very least I do like to hear what they believe, what they want to see happen, for example, its even nice to know why, or how.
No. it's you trying to ignore my positions and now you've revealed why you're doing it. You're a phony, dude. Yes, you're bold enough to say you don't see me being called NAZI, though aren't you? I've said this before and it's a radical way to say it; NAZIs call me Jew. Jews call me NAZI. It's because I investigate actual history instead of the Hollywood version. We won't avoid what's coming to the West, though. People want the Hollywood version with the predictive programming.
STOP SUPPORTING PHONIES IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY! Got it now? I bet not. Romney, McCain, Ryan, Bush. Those are not answers to leftism.
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willie, Trump supporters aren't White supremacists. I know BLM, Antifa, radical leftists and you have said it, but I would urge you to consider true conservatism as a political ideology for a change.
The socialists in 1930s chose socialism to lift themselves up out of hyperinflation, out of debt bondage from a war started by England and out of debauchery and sexual bondage that was placed upon them. They chose Nationalism to support their fellow people.
Would they have gone radical if they weren't forced into a corner? No. Actions have reactions. You claim to be a capitalist? You're blaming the poor for their hyperinflation? I guess that's your type of capitalism?
3.You're trying to create a reason to dismiss my critiques
4. Hypocrite much?
5. it's you trying to ignore my positions and now you've revealed why you're doing it.
6. STOP SUPPORTING PHONIES IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY! Got it now? I bet not. Romney, McCain, Ryan, Bush. Those are not answers to leftism.
1. I'm thinking you have me confused with someone else. I'm asking YOU, re-read what?
2. I'm not confused, still seeking info. But I think you are grouping me in with other people, as if we all think the same.
3. You can stop diagnosing me with what you think will make you more right, at any time. Its a waste of both our time.
4. Thats one big chip on your shoulder. You are so far out in the weeds that responding seems to only dig you deeper as though it will take more than exists to pull you out.
5. If you would only stick to thoughts and facts instead of accusations.
6. I never said they were. I'd ask you for your opinion on the answers to leftism, but I tried that once already. Got labelled that I was trying to force you into a narrative. Not that I care what labels you slap on me, but I'm not a fan of spinning my wheels to no avail either.
I'd suggest run a filter of sorts, read your stuff before posting it, pull out all the BS accusations, maybe pretend you are talking to someone you dont have a manufactured contempt for. It just might make you more understood.
...People vote for socialism to raise themselves up...
Id say people who vote for socialism think they are voting to raise everyone up. Reason being essentially they don't think personal responsibilty and accountability works. They vote to remove personal freedom.
Id say people who vote for socialism think they are voting to raise everyone up. Reason being essentially they don't think personal responsibilty and accountability works. They vote to remove personal freedom.
Historically that is not universal. It represents a portion. Typically those people work for a government provided income or not at all. I don't believe a majority of those people support socialism. Study political science?
Originally posted by 2.5: 1. I'm thinking you have me confused with someone else. I'm asking YOU, re-read what?
What?
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2. I'm not confused, still seeking info. But I think you are grouping me in with other people, as if we all think the same.
You called yourself a plural "we". Worry about yourself.
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3. You can stop diagnosing me with what you think will make you more right, at any time. Its a waste of both our time.
You're the one doing the projection. Just knock it off and stop insinuating that I'm a NAZI.
[Quote4]. Thats one big chip on your shoulder. You are so far out in the weeds that responding seems to only dig you deeper as though it will take more than exists to pull you out. [/quote]
Way out in the weeds is EXACTLY what you are hoping for.
[Quote5]. If you would only stick to thoughts and facts instead of accusations. [/quote] Said the guy defending willie as willie said I have NAZI lightning bolts on my neck while he says he doesnt see people doing such.
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6. I never said they were. I'd ask you for your opinion on the answers to leftism, but I tried that once already. Got labelled that I was trying to force you into a narrative. Not that I care what labels you slap on me, but I'm not a fan of spinning my wheels to no avail either.
I've had to repeat myself how many times now and you finally revealed your true intent was to provoke a discussion about Israel, when the topic almost never gets brought up. You're not winning credibility points.
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I'd suggest run a filter of sorts, read your stuff before posting it, pull out all the BS accusations, maybe pretend you are talking to someone you dont have a manufactured contempt for. It just might make you more understood.
I'm too busy pulling all the BS statements from your recent posts and willie's.
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Historically that is not universal. It represents a portion. Typically those people work for a government provided income or not at all. I don't believe a majority of those people support socialism. Study political science?
So does that mean the portion that support it but don't do it to raise everyone up, do it to raise themselves up, while not working as hard? No havent studied political science.
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Originally posted by 2.5: So does that mean the portion that don't do it to raise everyone up, do it to raise themselves up, while not working as hard? No havent studied political science.
Sure. Many. Not all. The point is that they have not been the rule. Are they increasing in our current society? Sure.
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Sure. Many. Not all. The point is that they have not been the rule. Are they increasing in our current society? Sure.
Many, not all, yes applies. So does the largest portion become the rule? What is the rule.
In our society I see some who think socialism will raise everyone up. (If they are hard workers they maybe realize it means they will not get the proper size reward for the hard work, or they may not understand that.) (If they are not hard workers they are lazy)
Some who do it to raise themselves up, while not working as hard as they otherwise would have. (The lazy)
Hard workers who know it will not in the end raise everyone up, and will still result in hard working individuals not receiving the proper size reward for their hard work. (put me in this column and one reason I would vote against it)
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You call me sourboy. This week was the latest. You don't want to be shown as lying willie. Or maybe you do? I don't think you would see it as a loss.
And I will continue to do so, until you act like an adult. Unless, of course you want to identify as a girl. Would you prefer sourgirl? You sure do have thin skin.
I also call MidEngineManiac "MEM" and TheDigitalAlchemist "TDA". You call me willie and boomer. Should I stomp my feet and cry? No, I am an adult.
Many perfectly exists as a minority. Many is not the same as "most". That is obvious in my statement.
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In our society I see some who think socialism will raise everyone up. (If they are hard workers they maybe realize it means they will not get the proper size reward for the hard work, or they may not understand that.) (If they are not hard workers they are lazy)
America is not a meritocracy. Our society is not socialism and the norm is that people who don't work hard get a larger reward and those working very hard are wage slaves. How can this reality not be widely known?
We also spend what, half our life just to pay taxes to government?
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Some who do it to raise themselves up, while not working as hard as they otherwise would have. (The lazy)
You're familiar with the 7 billion people who you just condemned as lazy? What was your context?
Also, why would it be required to work hard to survive dafely and comfortably in life? Why not just fair work for a fair return? Why can it not be the sum of the whole is greater than....., meaning everyone works a little less hard for an equivalent reward since many hands make light work?
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Hard workers who know it will not in the end raise everyone up, and will still result in hard working individuals not receiving the proper size reward for their hard work. (put me in this column)
I've put a career in, and hard work didn't teally mean that much more reward. I'm still known as the example of quality performance. It was a choice and I was paid ok, but if I put the free labor into a part time job the pay off woulda been better. Others who couldn't and wouldn't perform had a more comfortable reward because of corruption in management or corruption of values. This is a capitalism that this occurs in. If a company needs to check a box for someone with a specific degree or certification and tet that person doesn't work....this is normal in our capitalist system.
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Why would someone be for socialism unless they for see a utopia coming from it where everyone is lifted up, even though that has never happened in all of history?
Utopia is a key word. Capitalism is one, as well. There are people who credibly argue that China is National Socialism. We know the success they have had.
And I will continue to do so, until you act like an adult. Unless, of course you want to identify as a girl. Would you prefer sourgirl? You sure do have thin skin.
You asked me to prove you wrong, which is an every week thing already, and all the while you complain that I'm proving you wrong. Is it your tongue that says I'm sourboy?
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I also call MidEngineManiac "MEM" and TheDigitalAlchemist "TDA". You call me willie and boomer. Should I stomp my feet and cry? No, I am an adult.
Lol, you're far from an adult emotionally. And politically.
You call people names and just complained that people accuse you of calling people names, then admit that you call people names. Tell me again what your tongue says about me.
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The way that this forum topic was set up--the subject line or title--intrigues me.
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Any socialism fans in the house?
Is "socialism" a dog whistle (so to speak) for--of all things--"dog"..?
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Any dogs in the house?
As it was forum member "2.5" who created this topic, I can't help but wonder if he was, at least subconsciously, influenced by what became a cultural meme of sorts: a pre-game ritual of the NFL Baltimore Ravens known as "Game Time" or the "Dog Chant", when the Ravens gathered around their celebrated linebacker Ray Lewis, who led the players in what became a uniquely predictable a cappella recital:
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“What time is it? Game time! What time is it? Game time! Any dogs in the house? [Four barks] Any dogs in the house? [Four barks].”
Ray Lewis was a Baltimore Ravens linebacker for 16 NFL regular seasons, from 1996 to 2012. He retired from the NFL in 2013, at age 37. His last game was Super Bowl XLVII, played on February 3, 2013, and culminating in a 34-31 victory for the Ravens, over the San Francisco 49ers.
BIG HISTORY leaves it to "2.5" and others to ponder (should they want to) if there could be a connection . . . if the Ray Lewis "Game Time" or "Dog" chant has become part of our current Collective Unconscious or Objective Psyche, as postulated by Carl Jung (1875-1961.)
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It all started at the end of a televised Nascar stock car race in Talladega, Alabama, on 2 October. NBC reporter Kelli Stavast was interviewing the winner, driver Brandon Brown, when members of the crowd in the grandstand behind them began chanting an obscenity directed at the president.
The vulgar word directed at Joe Biden was clearly picked up on the broadcast's audio.
Whether by mistake or as an intentional attempt to deflect from the swearing on live television, Ms Stavast told Mr Brown that the crowd was cheering him on with chants of "Let's go, Brandon".
When you posted that I immediately said to myself "He has NO CLUE what you're talking about."
Someone that isolated in a world of Leftist propaganda and willful ignorance has few, if any, clues.
Well, I guess that is only fair since I have no idea how the football story is relevant. However, I can say with reasonable certainty that the "Let's go Brandon!" people are not fans of socialism.
why would it be required to work hard to survive safely and comfortably in life? Why not just fair work for a fair return? Why can it not be the sum of the whole is greater than.....
Wow, that sounds horrible. Utopia is a key word indeed. Its an old argument that people will be happy just surviving. It leaves out alot of things.
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Originally posted by sourmash: You're familiar with the 7 billion people who you just condemned as lazy? What was your context?
Here's the context, which came form the messages before it I was responding to..ass all of my responses did... Out of the people who support socialism, those who do it in order to get more while they do less, are lazier. Disagree? If so how and why?
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Since this economy doesn't let you keep what you earn, eff them. We're just "consumers" to them. The illegals don't even have to abide by the laws they force us to, at threat of men with guns taking our freedom and possessions away.
"Just surviving" is a strawman argument My context was not just subsistence. Thriving. Not rich. Not well off. Just Joe Sixpak and his family.
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Since this economy doesn't let you keep what you earn, eff them. We're just "consumers" to them. The illegals don't even have to abide by the laws they force us to, at threat of men with guns taking our freedom and possessions away.
Let me understand this...because of taxes? You would have a socialist system because that would be better than being taxed on your job that you chose in the USA right now?
Do you think men with guns taking our freedom and possessions away would not happen, or happen less in a socialist system?
(p.s. I added more context to my one above post)
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Originally posted by 2.5: Let me understand this...because of taxes? You would have a socialist system because that would be better than being taxed on your job that you chose in the USA right now?
This is why you are so confused. Quote me anywhere saying I'd prefer a socialist system.
Taxed on my job?! Don't be dense. Where am I NOT taxed and even double and triple taxed?!
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Do you think men with guns taking our freedom and possessions away would not happen, or happen less in a socialist system?
My point for the past 3 days is that all the things said against socialism can also be said about capitalism. Even saying this is not true capitalism while pointing out socialists say this is not true socialism.
We're 30 trillion in stated debt. Is that success?
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This is why you are so confused. Quote me anywhere saying I'd prefer a socialist system.
Alright if this is true then your playing devils advocate is far over the top, to ludicrous levels, doesnt have a point, and it is not worth conversating anymore with you about it. Looks like I'm the last one to sign off with it. (Though I would love for others to jump back in.)
The PMs you were getting, following their suggestions was your first mistake. It lead you to your own failure. Controlling emotions inside of dialog can be challenging, no?
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Alright if this is true then your playing devils advocate is far over the top, to ludicrous levels, doesnt have a point, and it is not worth conversating anymore with you about it. Looks like I'm the last one to sign off with it. (Though I would love for others to jump back in.)
Your position is not based in reality. You were illustrated as being phony yesterday by attempting what you did. That revelation to you should be considered a clue. Follow it.
Things are not one thing or the other.
We, the capitalists, have a fatal problem. You're looking to blame someone else just as willie described about socialists.
Your take is the reason we won't succeed. You won't allow that our capitalism is a failure. So it won't be addressed for correction.
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