The main issue I have with the bathroom issue is a locker room situation. Those of you with daughters, would you want a male with his "parts" in tact going into the women's locker room at a swimming pool and getting undresses right there in front of everyone? I know my wife would walk out if anything like that happened to her. I don't have a daughter but I do have a son and a don't want to explain that to him at his age about a woman is using the mens locker room. The bathroom situation where there are doors on the stalls and some privacy is a little creepy in my opinion but not a deal breaker. The locker room situation is totally unacceptable. In that case people need to use the facility based on which parts they currently have or use a unisex facility.
Originally posted by newf: You tell me I'm dancing around the discussion and what I understand, yet both are your perception and projection.
Oh yeah ? Let's see.
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Originally posted by newf: I don't discount anyones views no matter if I agree or not.
I will take you at your word. I have seen you do so.
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Originally posted by newf: Should they get their own restroom? Nope, IMO that would be foolish.
Do Doni, Threedog, the Bdub, Jaski, et al think the same thing ? You laid out a good platform for a discussion. The thing is, is this discussion needs to happen with all concerned parties.
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Originally posted by newf: My point was other minorities historically have been subjected to similar "logical" opinions to discriminate against.
Let's outlaw minorities. I understand your point. I do not see discrimination. Where is their gay pride ? Their are many other minorities out there. There always will be. I am of a minority. I am a high school drop out. Drop outs get a bad rap, and they are discriminated against. Sure as zhit. I am of multiple minorities. I have a few black marks on my permanent record. Mis-Gendered Americans are allowed to use a bathroom.
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Originally posted by newf: ...there is no need for a special restroom as most transgendered people identify as certain sex and the incidents of crime committed against women and children by anyone posing as transgendered is negligible.
Most men can use a woman's restroom without incidents of crime. Did you have a point ?
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Originally posted by newf: Why can't mis gendered americans use a restroom that is the same as the sex they identify with? Remind me how it infringes on your ability to use the washroom? Shy Bladder???
Shy bladder ? Hehehe, ..., , too funny. What's wrong with Mis-Gendered Americans ? Shy bladder ?
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Originally posted by newf: Transgender is a behavior?
No. It's a label. See, in this case, it applies to anybody who wishes it to be. Even those that are confused with their gender.
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Originally posted by aldan78: The main issue I have with the bathroom issue is a locker room situation. Those of you with daughters, would you want a male with his "parts" in tact going into the women's locker room at a swimming pool and getting undresses right there in front of everyone? I know my wife would walk out if anything like that happened to her. I don't have a daughter but I do have a son and a don't want to explain that to him at his age about a woman is using the men's locker room. The bathroom situation where there are doors on the stalls and some privacy is a little creepy in my opinion but not a deal breaker. The locker room situation is totally unacceptable. In that case people need to use the facility based on which parts they currently have or use a unisex facility.
You are screwed. See, this is not about completed sex change individuals. They are going for the whole enchilada. Transgendered means what ? A cross dresser ? One that likes men sometimes, and women other times. One that thought they identified with women, till they found out how vile they can be ?
What the hell are these Mis-Gendered Americans looking for ? Sex, is about sex. What's next ? I shouldn't be mad if I reached between some legs and found something that shouldn't be there, ? If, ... Mis-gendered Americans are of the mindset that another's sexuality is acceptable, why wouldn't they want to hang out in a like minded restroom ? Men do it. Women do it. They are just of a different mind. We are supposed to accept their mindset yet ours is irrelevant ?
What makes Mis-Gendered Americans think women want them in their "woman's" room ? Do they pee on the seat ? Women don't like that, .
I say give them their own bathroom. They are special. Just as women and men are. Let them be proud. You know you are somebody when they name a shitter after you, .
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Originally posted by aldan78: north platte, ne Registered: Feb 2016
Welcome to the forum. Sometimes we have some wild discussions here in T/OT. Not always. Topics here include everything, from getting help fixing ... anything ..., to financial advice, building advice, car wreck insurance advice after the fact, heck, just test us out.
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My. How disgusting. If you thought butt hurt Americans demanding to use the wrong bathroom was disgusting, you ain't seen nothing yet. No, not Mis-Gendered Americans not caring about the feeling of anyone else. The Regime pissing on it's electorate.
The Regime threatened North Carolina that, within three days, if it did not scrap it's gendered bathroom law, it faced the loss of (?) billions (millions) in Federal Funds. Did I say threatened ? That is attempted extortion. They just sued Arizona about it's laws to help curb illegal immigration, now the Regime stoops to extortion.
Extortion I tell you. Where did they get the money from which to withhold from us ? From us.
The extortion demands ? That the Governor of North Carolina agree to scrap enforcement of a legally authorized law, within three days. He does not hold that power. The Governor could not even get an extension of the three days to respond to the long complex demands. Unless he publicly admitted that the law was discriminatory. Which would damn every business, college, school, and public facility across the whole nation.
The fact is, is that sexual identification has always been defined by Congress, and the various laws have been signed into existence by the President of the United States. These special Mis Gendered Americans want to be accepted as equals. I can accept that. Let's recognize their sex and give then their own special bathroom.
Now Newf, he says ...
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Originally posted by newf: Let's see..should we require all public washrooms install a separate facility for transgendered folks? Nope IMO that would be foolish. IMO there is no need for a special restroom as most transgendered people identify as certain sex and the incidents of crime committed against women and children by anyone posing as transgendered is negligible.
That's because they were not allowed in women's restrooms. They all were happening in Men's restrooms. The number of male initiated sex crimes happening in women's restroom is also "negligible". For the same reason. They are not allowed in women's restrooms.
Let's see ... I am feeling my inner womanhood. I think I will apply for a special Government small business loan. The ones reserved for women. Some claim that they more closely identify as minorities. High profile people. Do they get minority priorities for small business loans, and college admission ? North Carolina sued the Regime. The Regime counter sued. Even though neither was an injured party, .
Why? No one's even close to advocating such behavior. I'm certainly not. No one in this entire thread is. However, if some of you can make blanket statements about who or what "kind of people" are "the problem," I and others can present examples of the "kind of people" we see as "the problem" as well. The only difference is statistics tend to support the latter more than the former.
Besides, that link's from Fox News.....The Fount From Whence All Wisdom Flows....so it MUST be acceptable, true?
Originally posted by Doni Hagan: Hmmm..... I wonder how he looks when he's got his dress on.
Hmm ... he just might turn you on, ? Your the one who asked, .
To me, he would look like he was wearing camouflage. If I even noticed that pervert. Did you have a point ?
Your desires would make it easier for maggots like that to apply their trade.
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Originally posted by Doni Hagan: However, if some of you can make blanket statements about who or what "kind of people" are "the problem," I and others can present examples of the "kind of people" we see as "the problem" as well. The only difference is statistics tend to support the latter more than the former.
The kind of people are not the problem. You clearly do not care what the problem is. Your playing tit for tat, and I am raising issues. Which you have refused to discuss. What statistics support the latter ? Statistics are a funny thing. You hope to enter a new era, of which there are no statistics.
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Originally posted by Doni Hagan: I and others can present examples of the "kind of people" we see as "the problem" as well.
Have at me. I am the problem. What do you got ?
I, ..., wait ... those kind of perverts are why Mis Gendered Americans want to use a woman's restroom ? You refuse to see any problem I have with your wishes. Yet you want me to accept yours, ? Even though their is no legal definition of who a Mis Gendered American is.
You got nothing against me as a problem. You don't even have a compelling reason to support your agenda. Nor a framework of how it works. Anything goes ?
The kind of people are not the problem. You clearly do not care what the problem is. Your playing tit for tat, and I am raising issues. Which you have refused to discuss. What statistics support the latter ?
Statistics are a funny thing. You hope to enter a new era, of which there are no statistics.
Originally posted by Doni Hagan: I think you mean "What do you have?"
No. I have a problem with Mis-Gendered Americans using a restroom not of their sexuality. I don't have to bullzhit you with myths debunked, or "statistics".
Heh, ... newf can't dance and you can't tip toe. He wants to wanted to dance around the issues and you want to tip toe around them. I will play.
First, I should point out that you have not even addressed one of my issues. In fact, if you cared enough to solve "this problem", you would go back and see that not one of my posts even suggests that I fear Mis-Gendered Americans are child molesters.
I will play even though you make it hard to do so. You leaned on statistics and I asked you to supply some. What I got was ... either opinions or propaganda. Only one referencing crime statistics of official government entities.
I read them anyway. Allow me to quote some of them.
MYTH # 3 People become homosexual because they were sexually abused as children or there was a deficiency in sex-role modeling by their parents.
THE ARGUMENT Many anti-gay rights activists claim that homosexuality is a mental disorder caused by some psychological trauma or aberration in childhood. This argument is used to counter the common observation that no one, gay or straight, consciously chooses his or her sexual orientation. Joseph Nicolosi, a founder of the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality, said in 2009 that "if you traumatize a child in a particular way, you will create a homosexual condition." He also has repeatedly said, "Fathers, if you don't hug your sons, some other man will."
If you do care enough to solve this problem you would see this on page six.
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Originally posted by theBDub: I happen to agree that transgendered people are commonly mentally ill. However, that doesn't change the fact that we should show compassion to everyone.
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Originally posted by cliffw: I can tell you a couple of things about that. First off, I would never calls a Mis-Gendered American mentally ill. Secondly, my wife and I care for a 40 year old mentally challenged woman, and have for years. Decades. My wife has more than twenty years working at the Kerrville State Hospital. They are the Texas agency which handles the mentally ill. Civil and Criminal. The experts. Not Guilty Due To Insanity, Not competent to stand trialClick to show I am not the only mentally ill person she has met, .
The theBDub, who advocates Mis-Gendered American bathroom rights, even suggested that accepting and ignoring Mis-Gendered Americans fancies equaled treatment.
Your other link ... Life Tips ... is the only one which even mentions statistics. Yet none regarding sexual orientation. So, newf can't dance, you can't tip toe, ... I bet Threedog has no rhythm. He sure is missing the beat of this conversation he started.
All of you, are asking us to care about people who don't care about us. These butthurt Mis Gendered Americans, and those like you who support their wishes, want to ram rod us into acceptance. Without even having a conversation. You offer no definitive definition of what a MIs-Gendered American is. I think their are 37 choices of sexual identification on FaceBook. I think. Correct me if I am wrong.
You refuse any concessions we may make. Instead you call us homophobes, imply that we are racist, and refuse to give us the same comforts you are demanding. Aside from our natural reservations, you make it hard to have any empathy or compassion for Mis Gendered Americans.
Now we see the Dick-tator in Chief has threatened every school with loss of federal funding if they don't bow to your demands. Shades of multiple Federal Agencies threatening North Carolina with the loss of the funds they control. Since when did we start living as subjects, of or to our government ?
I ain't thought about it much, ... but that is fascism. I looked it up.
Toby Keith to Perform at Men-Only Concert in Saudi Arabia During Trump’s Visit
American country music star Toby Keith, known for songs such as "Made in America" and "Whiskey Girl," is scheduled to perform at a men-only concert in Saudi Arabia — on the same weekend that President Donald Trump will be visiting the nation.
Keith, who played at Trump's pre-inaugural celebration, will be performing in the Saudi capital of Riyadh on Saturday, his publicist confirmed to NBC News.
Saudi entertainment website Lammt, which is marketing the event, said Saturday's concert would be free but open to men only. It will also feature an Arabian lute player.
Keith spokeswoman Elaine Schock said this would be the singer's first time in the Arab kingdom — but offered "no comment" on the male-only aspect of the show.
I've spent an inordinate amount of time in ladies bathrooms.
I can unequivocally state that they are way cleaner, plus they get a couch.
I don't think they fart, either.. . My wife was wheelchair bound by MS and needed help with bathroom issues so I accompanied her into the ladies room many times.
Not the other thing.
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Originally posted by newf:
Hahahaha
You find this humorous? ------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun....
Open your frigg'n minds, think about all the other tools that can be made into WMDs.
If you wish to upset a Conservative, lie to him. If you wish to upset a Liberal, tell him the truth.
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I think he means the oblique reference to transgenderism.
FWIW, though there's NOTHING funny about MS those of us in the community tend towards black humor as an escape valve.
Quick story.
I'm a member of a private forum within the Wellspouse community. My designated role is class clown. I don't have too much of substance to contribute so I try for some humor to relieve the stress and loneliness that comes from 24/7 caregiving.
Also, it's about 80% female because most MF'ers leave rather than care for a wife with a debilitating disease.
So one day one of the more serious women in the group started a thread titled "Hoyer Lift warning, I almost killed my husband" or some such. ( A Hoyer lift is a big honking transfer device )
She went into great detail about how she came within seconds of killing her husband because she stopped in mid transport to answer the door and when she got back he was hanging upside down and strangling.
She went into great detail about where the straps were placed and how high he was hanging and a number of other important details.
All the women on the board are like mother hens to each other so there were about a dozen "oh you poor dear" type comments by the time I read the post.
I wrote "Thanks for the tips".
My wife says that's the day she fell in love with me even though we hadn't met yet.
, too funny. What's wrong with Mis-Gendered Americans ? Shy bladder ?
? If, ... Mis-gendered Americans are of the mindset that another's sexuality is acceptable, why wouldn't they want to hang out in a like minded restroom ? Men do it. Women do it. They are just of a different mind.
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