It could be that he and his buddies were planning something bigger, a "Paris Style" attack in LA; but the Christmas party got the better of him. Perhaps he got into an idealogical discussion which grew into an argument and decided to escalate the situation, having the means to do so in a grand fashion; "I'll show them!"
Very likely. They had a whole lot of other stuff ready, like pipe bombs and a lot more ammo. I think they were planning something more significant and just decided for some reason to do this.
Very likely. They had a whole lot of other stuff ready, like pipe bombs and a lot more ammo. I think they were planning something more significant and just decided for some reason to do this.
I don't know what their "plan" was, but I think this was a part of it. I think that killing masses of people turned out harder to do than they thought. Maybe the people ran and hid more effectively than they thought? Or accually seeing and hearing people getting shot effected them? Either way, I think bunching a massive group of people together was the plan.
I don't know what their "plan" was, but I think this was a part of it. I think that killing masses of people turned out harder to do than they thought. Maybe the people ran and hid more effectively than they thought? Or accually seeing and hearing people getting shot effected them? Either way, I think bunching a massive group of people together was the plan.
I think because of the timing of this couple's moves that they might have been planning on hitting more than one target yesterday. I also think that they might have stepped up their agenda because they had so much more weapons, ammo and bombs left behind at their house. Maybe they really blew it for a larger group that had planned on hitting a bigger target too.
I think because of the timing of this couple's moves that they might have been planning on hitting more than one target yesterday. I also think that they might have stepped up their agenda because they had so much more weapons, ammo and bombs left behind at their house. Maybe they really blew it for a larger group that had planned on hitting a bigger target too.
I don't disagree with with you, I think the "plan" may have changed or one of them chickened out after seeing people actually die? They could also have planned this the entire time thinking that pipe bombs would not be as effective during the casing of the party earlier? The pipe bombs could have been a part of that attack but ruled out as? They may have planned to plant the bombs around the place days in advance but could not? We don't know, and we may not ever know?
Attorney General Loretta Lynch called the recent murders in California “A wonderful opportunity...” [...to pass more gun control!]
The Democrats tried to attach amendments to congressional bills today that would have prevented anyone who is put on the "no fly list" from being able to purchase a firearm. A list, mind you, which is seriously flawed and violates due process rights. Does anyone seriously believe every white person in this country who this administration thinks "clings to their bible and guns" wouldn't be put on the federal "no fly list" the second that bill was signed if it made it out of the senate??? (which thankfully, it did not)
Right after this California shooting, Obama said he wants the close the "gun show loophole". Did I miss the press release that says this shooter and his wife purchased their guns at a gun show?
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FROM THE L.A. TIMES: (http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/la-na-obama-gun-order-20151203-story.html)
Requiring background checks for all weapons sales might not have had any effect on Wednesday's shooting in San Bernardino, in which 14 people were killed. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms has determined that Syed Rizwan Farook, one of the shooting suspects, legally purchased two of the weapons at a gun shop in Corona. Two others were legally purchased and given to him by a friend, federal officials said Thursday.
A friend of the shooters purchased 2 guns and gave them to the shooters??? That's a STRAW PURCHASE which is already illegal under current law! And guess what? The people with criminal intent IGNORED the law! Are federal charges being brought against the "friend" who purchased those two weapons in the straw purchase?
Quite frankly, I'm tried of this administration's grade school mentality of dealing with criminal acts. Every time something like this happens, the left rushes to enact laws that will punish every law-abiding citizen for the deeds done by a very few individuals. That mentality doesn't work to stop the bullies in grade school and it certainly won't work to stop criminals or people with criminal intent. And on top of all that, the left wants to give voting rights back to convicted felons. That's right, they want to give rights back to people just like these shooters; while, at the same time, take rights away from innocent, law-abiding citizens!
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Attorney General Loretta Lynch called the recent murders in California “A wonderful opportunity...” [...to pass more gun control!]
The Democrats tried to attach amendments to congressional bills today that would have prevented anyone who is put on the "no fly list" from being able to purchase a firearm. A list, mind you, which is seriously flawed and violates due process rights. Does anyone seriously believe every white person in this country who this administration thinks "clings to their bible and guns" wouldn't be put on the federal "no fly list" the second that bill was signed if it made it out of the senate??? (which thankfully, it did not)
Right after this California shooting, Obama said he wants the close the "gun show loophole". Did I miss the press release that says this shooter and his wife purchased their guns at a gun show?
A friend of the shooters purchased 2 guns and gave them to the shooters??? That's a STRAW PURCHASE which is already illegal under current law! And guess what? The people with criminal intent IGNORED the law! Are federal charges being brought against the "friend" who purchased those two weapons in the straw purchase?
Quite frankly, I'm tried of this administration's grade school mentality of dealing with criminal acts. Every time something like this happens, the left rushes to enact laws that will punish every law-abiding citizen for the deeds done by a very few individuals. That mentality doesn't work to stop the bullies in grade school and it certainly won't work to stop criminals or people with criminal intent. And on top of all that, the left wants to give voting rights back to convicted felons. That's right, they want to give rights back to people just like these shooters; while, at the same time, take rights away from innocent, law-abiding citizens!
Thank you Darth, this is the kind of post that I gave you a + some time ago. SORRY I could not give you several more. I can only give one
Bingo. And this is why I responded as I did. Funny how Doni and the rest of his Muslim ilk never say a peep when his brothers carry out an attack such we saw in Paris. Yet, something like this happens, and here he pops in, excited at the possibility that the shooter might be white, or even better - gasp- a Christian!
Come on, guys... obviously the shooters were Zen Buddhists. Can you please stop picking on Islam? Jeez...
Nowadays, there seems to be a "fad" of going on rampages and trying to rack up a body count before you get taken out. These whack-jobs have demented fantasies of going out in style, like a movie. So the question is, what could be done to make this kind of thing less enticing to the would-be mass murderer? Maybe bring back public hangings? Maybe display the dead criminal's body in public for people to spit / piss / throw garbage on for a few days? If you knew that people would defile your body then toss it in a ditch after you die, then maybe you wouldn't be so eager to go on a killing spree.
Originally posted by blackrams: Obviously, these two individuals were not listening to our fearless leader. Just the other day Obama told us their were no credible threats.
Trust is an earned thing, when American Muslims stand up against such terror, other Americans will start to trust them.
we don't hate him, we hate the killing cult he alines with.. if he does acts to please them and it harms or kills, or is connected to harming killing, yes we or at least I will hate him just like I hate any killer, but that isn't the case now is it, or do you know something we/I don't
I think because of the timing of this couple's moves that they might have been planning on hitting more than one target yesterday. I also think that they might have stepped up their agenda because they had so much more weapons, ammo and bombs left behind at their house. Maybe they really blew it for a larger group that had planned on hitting a bigger target too.
There was a report that 5-6 other people were recently see at their place...
Authorities said there were three pipe bombs tied together in a bag at the scene, and the design indicated that suspects Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik appeared to believe their initial attack would draw a heavy law enforcement and emergency personnel response and left behind a device that would cause still greater casualties.
The device did not explode, and investigators do not know if the controller was too far away to trigger the bomb. Forensic investigation of the device has not been completed.
The attackers had also prepared metal pipe bombs of the type used by the Tsarnaev brothers after the Boston Marathon bombing. San Bernardino Police Department Chief Jarrod Burguan said Thursday at a press conference that 12 pipe bombs were found at a residence in nearby Redlands. Though there is no known link between the Boston and San Bernardino incidents, the California attackers and the Tsarnaev brothers seemed to be using designs found in multiple issues of Inspire magazine, the on-line publication of al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.
Do you have to pass a background check in order to purchase or build pipe bombs?
Is there a limit to how many pipe bombs you can construct or possess?
Last time I checked, it was illegal to possess, construct, and use pipe bombs everywhere in this country. But yet these terrorists built them and tried to use them.
GUESS WHAT? All those laws that are on the books now banning the construction, possession, and use of pipe bombs were completely ignored by these terrorists! And all those laws didn't stop them from taking a page out of an al Qaeda magazine that was used to buy the components to build them!
Furthermore, the U.S. Government has failed to shut down the website(s) hosting the on-line magazine that explains how to build bombs and carry out terrorist acts. WHY?
But what are all the gun grabbers focused on right now??? That's right - they're trying to figure out how to capitalize on this tragedy to get more gun control laws passed INSTEAD OF figuring out how to find people who are making trips to the middle east or coming from there (as refugees) with a radicalized mindset bent on killing Americans.
I tell you, I've never seen an administration care less about the safety of its citizenry.
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Has Doni ever came out and said he doesn't support the actions of these radical Muslims? I think not.
In his defense I think he is a social justice warrior who just stuck his foot in his mouth when he gave Muslims the benefit of the doubt. I think minutes after the news broke he wanted to capitalize on the tragedy to make a political statement and he was taking a gamble by race baiting us before he knew the Identity of the shooters. The right thing to do would have been to wait until the dust settled to be realistic about who/what was involved and to leave the race baiting out of it.
There was a chance this was a domestic terrorist attack and it took a while to confirm any details but given current events I think most of us suspected the suspects where Muslim as soon as the news broke. If Doni had simply tried to stay neutral instead of jumping on the racist hate wagon, he wouldn't have egg all over his face right now.
Let me run this by you, the way I think it was planned. Got to party, plant bombs, leave party, detonate bombs, after all the police FBI and bomb squad people show up, hit real target. That would tie up all emergency response people and give them more time to do damage at primary target. Problem #1 was when the bombs failed to detonate, causing them to come in shooting, problem #2 was when they saw what he was driving, problem #3 was they got stopped before they hit main target.
Original reports were of three white supremacists dressed heavily in battle gear. Our good member was feeding off of that, and saying "neener, neener, neener." As spoken, it backfired and a tasty rebuttal eludes him.
I did not ask the question of him because he is black. I did not ask the question because he is muslim. I asked because he penned a few words here as a slap in many of our faces, but that slap sent back across the table shut him up.
Edit: He was being an azz in a bad situation. He gotz called on it for early ejaculation. Now there is a bad taste in his mouth.
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Original reports were of three white supremacists dressed heavily in battle gear. Our good member was feeding off of that, and saying "neener, neener, neener." As spoken, it backfired and a tasty rebuttal eludes him.
I totally agree.
I don't care if you're on the right or the left, pro gun or anti gun, black livse matter or all lives matter, pro prayer or anti prayer, pro life or pro baby killing, trying to capitalize on a tragedy within minutes just to push your political agenda, you are a worthless human being.
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Im wondering why a large number of victims described it as 3 ATTACKERS. We know 2 are dead. What happened with the one they saw running away and searched for all day in the neighborhood ? I know some say another was detained. Whats that mean ? Some said they caught the third person 'of interest' but decided he wasnt involved...just running away, hiding and shooting back at police ? If victims said 3 were shooting at them, id sort of tend to believe them.
The Latest: Wife in attack pledged allegiance to IS
SAN BERNARDINO, Calif. — The latest on the mass shooting in San Bernardino, California (all times local):
8 a.m.
The wife of the couple blamed in the deadly California shootings pledged allegiance to the Islamic State group and the terror group's leader on Facebook using an alias then deleted the messages before the attacks, a U.S. law enforcement official told The Associated Press on Friday.
The remarkable disclosure about the online activities of Tashfeen Malik provided the first significant details suggesting a motive for her participation with her husband, Syed Farook, in the shootings that killed 14 people and wounded 21. Malik was a Pakistani woman who came to the U.S. in 2014 on a fiancee visa before Farook married her in California. Specifics details about her postings were not disclosed by the law enforcement official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because this person was not allowed to discuss an ongoing investigation.
Original reports were of three white supremacists dressed heavily in battle gear. Our good member was feeding off of that, and saying "neener, neener, neener." As spoken, it backfired and a tasty rebuttal eludes him.
I did not ask the question of him because he is black. I did not ask the question because he is muslim. I asked because he penned a few words here as a slap in many of our faces, but that slap sent back across the table shut him up.
Edit: He was being an azz in a bad situation. He gotz called on it for early ejaculation. Now there is a bad taste in his mouth.
So he aligns with murderous terrorists. Sounds like he needs killing. I'm just going to take your word for it.
Mighty liberal of you take a liberal stereotype of right wingers, as mob violent to mock the right wingers. While sweeping Islams mob violence under the rug. Right wingers do not hate Muslims. We however live in the real world, not some pot induced "happy place". You can keep blaming average Americans to cover up the problem with Islamic violence, if it makes you feel better. Just understand to the radical non back sliding Muslim, you are nothing more than a useful idiot, and eventually, you will have to make a choice die, or convert.
So yeah, lets keep trying to make your neighbor look worse than ISIS.
Yes, she sounds whiny. Yes, she spews opinions. But, she states facts. Alarming facts about mass murders occurring during one man's Presidency.
Indeed, Remember this is the administration that committed Operation Fast and Furious to frame gun owners. They are capable of anything. Why Have There Been More Mass Shootings Under Obama than the Four Previous Presidents Combined? http://www.thedailysheeple....ents-combined_122015
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Thanks for the graph. Sadly, this will either kill the thread, be brought up as "just another pie chart", or perceived as just why guns should be stricken from our hands.
The confusion will get deep in the next week or so. Remember when "The Christmas Holiday" was celebrated? Live Nativity scenes are being banned from plays at public schools. Sorry, but I also recall a time not too long ago where "Christian Values" were not evil. Rhamadahn (sp) has special allowances in MANY public schools.
In my very best arabic voice, and it is spot on: "No, No, no, no. This is not Islam. Don't be confused with the "radical" "extremist" brand of Islam. You are a fool for being confused".
Me: Why not denounce the violence created by your religion?
Arabic voiced guy: "I did."
Me: Um, no, you did not.
Arabic voiced guy: "Yes, I did".
Me: You really are going to keep saying that you Syed something over and over again, but wont actually say it?
Reports are coming in now that the guns used in the shootings are were purchased and registered to Law Enforcement. Carly Fiorina just dropped this bomb on an interview this morning. Makes one wonder if this is why the police have left the crime wide open to contamination.
Could this be another Fast and the Furious gone bad? Perhaps the ATF peddling firearms to known radicals in hopes of catching the something bigger?
Originally posted by dennis_6: Mighty liberal of you take a liberal stereotype of right wingers, as mob violent to mock the right wingers. While sweeping Islams mob violence under the rug. Right wingers do not hate Muslims. We however live in the real world, not some pot induced "happy place". You can keep blaming average Americans to cover up the problem with Islamic violence, if it makes you feel better. Just understand to the radical non back sliding Muslim, you are nothing more than a useful idiot, and eventually, you will have to make a choice die, or convert.
So yeah, lets keep trying to make your neighbor look worse than ISIS.
I leave your words untouched.
Isn't this about stereo types?
Does the average Joe go around killing people? Of course not. But that same Joe when pitted with the CHOICE says and does nothing as one of HIS OWN attacks someone not his own. Oh yes it is true.Right wingers don't hate Muslims at least not in general and not enough to kill them. But some do and some say so. When that happen heads turn and more than a few are glad someone did their secret dirty work.
I don't mock right wingers. I spit on their cowardice,weakness and hypocrisy. High moral ground my ass. If it is higher it is because it is built on a mound of **** .
Doni has been persecuted before and I can see why he made his oh so evil remark when the reports said it was white-man shooting people . So big crime right?
Did a single soul give a damn that without even a pause he was attacked as an accomplice to terrorists? This is only a forum so no big deal I guess.
History has shown that it also is no big deal when people drag their neighbors out into the street and light them on fire and kill the whole family. This has happened,this exact thing to thousands and thousands,whole countries right in most of our lifetimes.
Well those people are no different than we are. We watch it on the news and proclaim with disgust that they are animals and monsters as the world cries NEVER AGAIN NEVER AGAIN. Here is something to help Loafer to Jerk off .
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Im wondering why a large number of victims described it as 3 ATTACKERS. We know 2 are dead. What happened with the one they saw running away and searched for all day in the neighborhood ? I know some say another was detained. Whats that mean ? Some said they caught the third person 'of interest' but decided he wasnt involved...just running away, hiding and shooting back at police ? If victims said 3 were shooting at them, id sort of tend to believe them.
I agree, an eyewitness in an office overlooking where the shooters entered swears she saw 3 attackers all dressed in tactical garb, the reporter asked her twice and she was adamant that she saw three people.
Reports are coming in now that the guns used in the shootings are were purchased and registered to Law Enforcement. Carly Fiorina just dropped this bomb on an interview this morning. Makes one wonder if this is why the police have left the crime wide open to contamination.
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Edit: Unreal.
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If this is real, what are the ramifications? An attack on American soil, and this is what get as far as justice? I think that I just shat myself. Yep, some poo came out.
There are times when I enjoy your input. Other times, not so much. In a bit of pain lately? Sorry man.
Edit: As far as the picture of the beheaded humans goes, this stuff is not a bother to me. I can eat and view much more horrid videos and the such. Much more. Unless it comes to children and animals. Then I get a bit "weird". Pizzes me off to a nearly uncontrollable extent. I do not watch those.
But, MANY of our members would rather not see a box of beheaded humans while viewing this forum. Bad move. Sour even.
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Thank you for this.
Thanks for the graph. Sadly, this will either kill the thread, be brought up as "just another pie chart", or perceived as just why guns should be stricken from our hands. 
