I am surprised we don't have a "like/dislike" feature for each response/post.
Ya thats been covered some before, I wouldnt like it personally., Because I think more people would stop posting it would just be a bunch of thumbs up (and down) like facebook is and less conversation.
Ya thats been covered some before, I wouldnt like it personally., Because I think more people would stop posting it would just be a bunch of thumbs up (and down) like facebook is and less conversation.
I can see that. But, lately conversations haven't been worth reading as they just start turning into personal attacks
Originally posted by jaskispyder: I am surprised we don't have a "like/dislike" feature for each response/post.
Really ? A generic "your great/you suck" similie. Because why ? People don't have nut sacks ? This is a discussion forum. You like/dislike by commenting ... which gives others thoughts, insight, into areas of like/dislike.
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Originally posted by Patrick: I wouldn't mind that feature... but only if it also displayed who indicated what.
Why ? So you can care, or not, about who cares ? A post indicates who thinks what.
Well, we are starting to get as nasty to each other just as if he were still here I guess some lessons are harder to learn than others...., I bid him farewell and good luck but I'm moving on to other and hopefully more important, or challenging OT topics.
What does everyone make of this? His build site has had over 161,000 views since it started. I hate to see something like this happen.
I think it's very unfortunate... I don't know who or why anyone would make fun of his projects or work / effort.
I am confused as to what the problem is with O/T. Sure, O/T can be brutal, but it's a place where people can speak their mind, and be as much of an ******* as possible. There is no one on here that I would refuse to have a beer with if there was a big get together. Lots of people here act like assholes, myself included. Some are sneaky about it, and others are open about it. But we have a common bond. People can't allow themselves to take things too seriously. I see this forum (O/T) as no different than a bunch of old men bitching to each other about whatever crap.
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Originally posted by Boondawg:
I hate those, too.
Shoot, you're as guilty as anyone here, and you know it!
What, do you think people click the "Rate this member" then pull out a D6 and take a roll? 1 or 2=+, 3 or 4=stays neutral and 5 or 6=-? Seriuosly, random? Anything but. They are purposely given.
What, do you think people click the "Rate this member" then pull out a D6 and take a roll? 1 or 2=+, 3 or 4=stays neutral and 5 or 6=-? Seriuosly, random? Anything but. They are purposely given.
You've misunderstood me. Of course they're "purposely" given.
What I meant by a "random rating" is one that's been given by some random member with no accompanying post. You must've occasionally noticed your rating count has changed (up or down, positive or negative), and you've wondered why? I certainly have, and I'm often curious as to what's triggered the rating, and with whom.
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Regarding that... it seems people wait until I'm not around before rating me. If I post daily, I may not receive a rating for months. But then I'll go away for the weekend, and come back to a handful of new ratings. Weird...
You've misunderstood me. Of course they're "purposely" given.
What I meant by a "random rating" is one that's been given by some random member with no accompanying post. You must've occasionally noticed your rating count has changed (up or down, positive or negative), and you've wondered why? I certainly have, and I'm often curious as to what's triggered the rating, and with whom.
Basically....you just want to know who it was and why.
I'll nominate myself for assistant moderator. As soon as a discussion gets insultive, it gets closed.....not moved to trash. If the persistant harrassing/insulting continues from a particular person, he/she gets warned and then if that doesn't work, their account is closed.
I'd clean up the **** disturbers....not let some rating system do it.
You've misunderstood me. Of course they're "purposely" given.
What I meant by a "random rating" is one that's been given by some random member with no accompanying post. You must've occasionally noticed your rating count has changed (up or down, positive or negative), and you've wondered why? I certainly have, and I'm often curious as to what's triggered the rating, and with whom.
There has maybe been 1 or 2 times I've wondered why but generally I know why. I know what I post and I know the way I posted it. If I posted something standoffish or rude, then I'm not surprised when I get negatives. If I post something helpful or kind, then I'm not surprised when I get positives. If I do a little of both, I'm not surprised to get a little of both. I generally "try" not to be cruel with my posts, but obviously I'm not successful all the time as noted by the red that I do have, and I deserved that red. I may not remember what it was I had posted that earned them for me now, but at the time I knew what caused them. Granted I could have been wrong and it could have been for something completely unrelated, but I doubt it which is enough for me. I also don't feel I got them for an "opinion" more over I believe it's how I "presented" that opinion. Those 1 or 2 times that I wondered, it's because I didn't think I had posted anything recently to cause it but when looking at what I had posted recently I could see how someone might have taken what I posted a different way than I meant. In those situations it was a such is life situation. I can't please or piss off everyone all the time.
Basically....you just want to know who it was and why.
Sure, that sums it up.
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Originally posted by Khw:
If I posted something standoffish or rude, then I'm not surprised when I get negatives.
Sometimes all that's required is to look at someone sideways, but by and large I'll agree with you there.
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Originally posted by Khw:
If I post something helpful or kind, then I'm not surprised when I get positives.
... and this is where you and I have different opinions. I spend more of my time in the PFF tech forums than here in O/T, and I'm telling ya... you really really REALLY need to work hard to get a positive rating. Just getting an acknowledgement after having tried to help someone is often a wasted effort... getting a "thank-you" is a major accomplishment... and getting a positive rating after spending considerable time helping someone with an extensive issue is a star-spangled event equivalent to sighting a comet.
No, I'm not looking for sympathy (or ratings)... we're been down this road many times before. It is what it is.
... and this is where you and I have different opinions. I spend more of my time in the PFF tech forums than here in O/T, and I'm telling ya... you really really REALLY need to work hard to get a positive rating. Just getting an acknowledgement after having tried to help someone is often a wasted effort... getting a "thank-you" is a major accomplishment... and getting a positive rating after spending considerable time helping someone with an extensive issue is a star-spangled event equivalent to sighting a comet.
No, I'm not looking for sympathy (or ratings)... we're been down this road many times before. It is what it is.
This is also my take on the subject. You can only give so much. There are not a lot that even care that another helped them. No wonder many do not go to Tech much.
... and this is where you and I have different opinions. I spend more of my time in the PFF tech forums than here in O/T, and I'm telling ya... you really really REALLY need to work hard to get a positive rating. Just getting an acknowledgement after having tried to help someone is often a wasted effort... getting a "thank-you" is a major accomplishment... and getting a positive rating after spending considerable time helping someone with an extensive issue is a star-spangled event equivalent to sighting a comet.
......and getting a positive rating after spending considerable time helping someone with an extensive issue is a star-spangled event equivalent to sighting a comet.
No, I'm not looking for sympathy (or ratings)... we're been down this road many times before. It is what it is.
To me, THAT is how you say thank you to someone. I can't tell you how many times I have spent multiple days helping someone and the thread dies with a final "everything is ok now". I feel like I wasted my time and it wasn't appreciated. For every person that answers my questions in ANY of my threads, I give them a positive rating to say thanks. I don't need you to kiss my ass for months just so I give you a good rating. I give you one right away.
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I can't tell you how many times I have spent multiple days helping someone and the thread dies with a final "everything is ok now". I feel like I wasted my time and it wasn't appreciated.
I know exactly how you feel... although all too often the OP doesn't even bother posting "everything is ok now".
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Originally posted by Tony Kania:
There are not a lot that even care that another helped them.
Certainly seems that way. I sometimes get the impression that some short-term members think that all the rest of us are here just to answer their questions... like it's our job.
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Originally posted by maryjane:
It wasn't always like that in Tech and GFC.
Toto, we're not in Kansas anymore.
Ah man, if we can't laugh about it we may as well just close up shop.
Really ? A generic "your great/you suck" similie. Because why ? People don't have nut sacks ? This is a discussion forum. You like/dislike by commenting ... which gives others thoughts, insight, into areas of like/dislike.
Maybe you can explain to me how your "people don't have nut sacks" comment is something we can "discuss"? I am not sure there is much insight in your comment.
I will give it a shot....
I see it as a way to single out one post, not a person. Just like in your comment, I could say "eh, thumbs down, as he was not helpful". Certainly, I could comment back, like I am, but I know how you like to continue arguing until you wear someone down, and the topics becomes just a bashing session. Frankly, it really isn't worth commenting on your posts because you don't want to discuss, you only want to give your point, and when you can't support it, you still continue on, even trying to deflect. That isn't a discussion... I know of people (who have contacted me privately) and said they won't continue in this area because of the bashing. It isn't about "nut sacks"... as you say, it is about respect and I see less and less of that, here. I watched some threads and one person posts, then on schedule, another "like thinker" posts, then another, and another. I then look at another post and the same thing happens and the same people post. When someone with a different opinion posts, they are ganged up on him/her. So much for a discussion, it is more like a clique.
"cliques" exist in all segments of society and social discussions, and it seemingly becomes more visible when there are many more of one side than other. It may appear to be a clique, when more often than not, it's just a matter of demographics being more heavily weighed to one side than another. You can go to a left leaning news site and see the right seemingly being ganged up on in the comment section, and to a right leaning news site and see the opposite happen. It changes with the political tide as well. On a national level, there was no shortage of negative things said by many people on the left, when the white house was conservative, and every liberal followed suit to the first responder. The tide has been opposite for the last 2 terms, and what you see is a natural defensive move by the right, just as it was inversely in the previous 8 years. You will see the same thing in any subject matter where people have strongly held views--1st amendment, 2nd amendment, religion, even the old V8sbc vs 3800SC etc. I see the same thing on one of the ag boards I'm on, when a person posts something about their breed of choice and they are immediately hit by the CAB/black hide fever crowd, with comments like "A black Angus bull will cure all those problems".
His posts always seem to have the same things. A question about nothing. Deflection. Some semi azzholeish remark about another written in tongues. A long explanation of his superiority. And a comment on how the other person ruined the thread.
His posts always seem to have the same things. A question about nothing. Deflection. Some semi azzholeish remark about another written in tongues. A long explanation of his superiority. And a comment on how the other person ruined the thread.
I've only received 8 ratings and I don't even rate yet! Anyone know how many is needed to have the rate bar show up above "rate this member"?
You need 50...but how do you know how many you've received? I don't think there is a way to tell. The "My Ratings" link is the ratings you've given other poeple, not the other way around.
To me, THAT is how you say thank you to someone. I can't tell you how many times I have spent multiple days helping someone and the thread dies with a final "everything is ok now". I feel like I wasted my time and it wasn't appreciated. For every person that answers my questions in ANY of my threads, I give them a positive rating to say thanks. I don't need you to kiss my ass for months just so I give you a good rating. I give you one right away.
Not to defend anyone, but keep in mind that you can only be rated positive once, so if you've already gotten a + from someone, they can't thank you with another one. What I do is I'll reply with "+ for you" and then if I see you already have one from me, I edit my post and say so.
The weird thing I see is that I lose ratings. I had 92 or 93 at one point, now I'm down to 88. I don't care much either way, but I wonder if that means people moved me back to nuetral or if it was a rating from a banned member so it went away.
Not to defend anyone, but keep in mind that you can only be rated positive once, so if you've already gotten a + from someone, they can't thank you with another one. What I do is I'll reply with "+ for you" and then if I see you already have one from me, I edit my post and say so.
Only true to an extent. You can only get one + that counts towards your number of ratings. You can receive additional +'s from the same person once ever 30 days I think it is that will nudge the little triangle on your bar. A negative nudge goes to the left a positive nudge moves to the right.
So you may get 5 + nudges in tech, then come over and piss in someones cheerios in OT and earn 5 - nudges resulting in it looking like nothing has changed.
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The weird thing I see is that I lose ratings. I had 92 or 93 at one point, now I'm down to 88. I don't care much either way, but I wonder if that means people moved me back to nuetral or if it was a rating from a banned member so it went away.
That'd be my guess as well. It's happened to me before to.
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I've only received 8 ratings and I don't even rate yet! Anyone know how many is needed to have the rate bar show up above "rate this member"?
If that's so I am responsible for 1/8 of your ratings. It was a +. This whole thing comes down to people who just love to argue and have absolutely no respect for anyones views but their own. It's one thing to post an opinion but disrespect? As far as I'm concerned you undermine your position when you stoop to that level. I have moments when I lose respect but when I screw up and my lack of respect shows I'm pretty sure that I hurt my chances of getting my ideas across. I hope that is where my negatives came from rather than just because someone disagrees with what I say. I don't have a problem with respectful disagreement about any of my posts. That's what free speech is all about.
If that's so I am responsible for 1/8 of your ratings. It was a +. This whole thing comes down to people who just love to argue and have absolutely no respect for anyones views but their own. It's one thing to post an opinion but disrespect? As far as I'm concerned you undermine your position when you stoop to that level. I have moments when I lose respect but when I screw up and my lack of respect shows I'm pretty sure that I hurt my chances of getting my ideas across. I hope that is where my negatives came from rather than just because someone disagrees with what I say. I don't have a problem with respectful disagreement about any of my posts. That's what free speech is all about.
That's how I rate. It's not what you say, but how you say it. I also understand that people have a bad day every now and then, so it takes more than one disrespectful post to earn a - from me and that - can move to a neutral or + if I observe that the rudeness has ceased. There are some though that may "stop" for a week, but go right back to it as soon as the negative barrage starts to reverse because they've been "playing nice". Kind of like our oldest daughter who would straighten up for a week or so after she got in trouble just to start doing the same ol crap once she thought it was safe to do it again.
His build site has had over 161,000 views since it started. I hate to see something like this happen.
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I've only received 8 ratings and I don't even rate yet! Anyone know how many is needed to have the rate bar show up above "rate this member"?
