The proof it is climate change over global warming as the evidence itself to prove global warming wasn't quiet that. We have proved with core samples taken that 30 years of freezing over predicted thousands of year old ice. After cfc gasses have been eliminated the earth improved dramtically. The main concern is pollution just worry about that. The earth is not boiling over next week. Man i need a V8.
Everything is far more complex Eg Great Barrier Reef bleaching is pollution, Volcanos make 85% carbon and we move elements around earth. Endangered animals are a food source for something so work on what is eating that usually humans.
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Responding to the previous message, where it references "volcanos."
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CO2 out-gassed to the atmosphere and oceans today from volcanoes and other magmatically active regions is estimated at 280 to 360 million tonnes (0.28 to 0.36 Gt) per year, including that released into the oceans from mid-ocean ridges.
Humanity’s annual carbon emissions through the burning of fossil fuels and forests, etc., are 40 to 100 times greater than all volcanic emissions.
In other words, year in and year out, human activities emit 40 to 100 times more carbon dioxide (the most talked-about greenhouse gas) into the atmosphere and oceans than volcanos and volcanic vents, whether on land or beneath the oceans.
Science News from research organizations Volcanic carbon dioxide emissions helped trigger Triassic climate change Study offers sobering warning on the impact of rising carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere Date: April 14, 2020 Source: McGill University Summary: A new study finds volcanic activity played a direct role in triggering extreme climate change at the end of the Triassic period 201 million year ago, wiping out almost half of all existing species. Share:
FULL STORY A new study finds volcanic activity played a direct role in triggering extreme climate change at the end of the Triassic period 201 million year ago, wiping out almost half of all existing species. The amount of carbon dioxide released into the atmosphere from these volcanic eruptions is comparable to the amount of CO2 expected to be produced by all human activity in the 21st century.
The end-Triassic extinction has long been thought to have been caused by dramatic climate change and rising sea levels. While there was large-scale volcanic activity at the time, known as the Central Atlantic Magmatic Province eruptions, the role it played in directly contributing to the extinction event is debated. In a study for Nature Communications, an international team of researchers, including McGill professor Don Baker, found evidence of bubbles of carbon dioxide trapped in volcanic rocks dating to the end of the Triassic, supporting the theory that volcanic activity contributed to the devastating climate change believed to cause the mass extinction.
The researchers suggest that the end-Triassic environmental changes driven by volcanic carbon dioxide emissions may have been similar to those predicted for the near future. By analysing tiny gas exsolution bubbles preserved within the rocks, the team estimates that the amount of carbon emissions released in a single eruption -- comparable to 100,000 km3 of lava spewed over 500 years -- is likely equivalent to the total produced by all human activity during the 21st century, assuming a 2C rise in global temperature above pre-industrial levels.
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The proof it is climate change over global warming as the evidence itself to prove global warming wasn't quiet that. We have proved with core samples taken that 30 years of freezing over predicted thousands of year old ice. After cfc gasses have been eliminated the earth improved dramtically. The main concern is pollution just worry about that. The earth is not boiling over next week. Man i need a V8.
Everything is far more complex Eg Great Barrier Reef bleaching is pollution, Volcanos make 85% carbon and we move elements around earth. Endangered animals are a food source for something so work on what is eating that usually humans.
I wonder if there was something new in the Australian media that prompted Australian to come out with that.
There are new reports about this in the major media venues day in and day out.
I responded (five messages before this one) to the only part of Australian's message that I (thought that I) understood, where the message was "Volcanos make 85% carbon."
I've yet to stumble upon the name of "Greta Thunberg" in any of the reports that interest me, such as the two reports that I "linked" into my previous message. "Greta Thunberg" is a convenient distraction for people who want to play in this incredibly long-running forum thread without saying anything whatsoever about the original topic.
"It Is What It Is."
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The Growing Climate Solutions Act, sponsored by Sens. Mike Braun, R-Ind.; Debbie Stabenow, D-Mich.; Lindsey Graham, R-S.C.; and Sheldon Whitehouse, D-R.I., focuses on carbon-capture technologies in the agricultural sector, while Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska, and Whitehouse have put together another bipartisan bill focused on increasing carbon-capture methods that occur naturally within ocean and coastal ecosystems.
Earlier this year, House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., began pushing a new conservative climate policy effort along with seven of his Republican colleagues — meant to rival the progressive Green New Deal — including Rep. Dan Crenshaw, R-Texas, who introduced legislation, titled the New Energy Frontier, focused on developing carbon-capture technologies.
More online.
"In pursuing historic climate change agenda, Biden may find surprising ally"
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Republicans are pitching their own plans — and the new president may be able to work with them next year.
Nothing in that is the least bit surprising, unless you live in a non-reality based world. Both sides of the establishment hate Trump and love money schemes. Trump dumped the Climate Accords, thankfully.
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Cold 'blob' in North Atlantic--but it's not a good sign for anyone that's thinking ahead to year 2100.
Some may remember that I was all over the warm 'blob' that was reported offshore from Washington state, Oregon and northern California.
This is a cold 'blob' that is part of a recent report about a weakening of the Gulf Stream, the gi-normous ocean current that brings warmth from the subtropical Atlantic Ocean to northern Europe. The Gulf Stream is a big part of the planet's climate generating system as we know it, and if the Gulf Stream current were to stop or slow down in any major way, that would be a "game changer" for the planet's climate that would directly affect millions of people in the United Kingdom and Europe.
So here's part of this recent report from September 17, 2020.
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Many of the earlier predictions of climate research have now become reality. The world is getting warmer, sea levels are rising faster and faster, and more frequent heat waves, extreme rainfall, devastating wildfires and more severe tropical storms are affecting many millions of people. Now there is growing evidence that another climate forecast is already coming true: the Gulf Stream system in the Atlantic is apparently weakening, with consequences for Europe too.
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In addition to these oceanographic measurements, a number of studies with sediment data indicate that the Gulf Stream circulation is now weaker than it has been for at least a millennium.
These current changes also affect Europe, because the ‘cold blob’ out in the Atlantic also influences the weather. It sounds paradoxical when you think of the shock frost scenario of the Hollywood blockbuster The Day After Tomorrow: but British researchers found that in summer the jet stream in the atmosphere likes to take a route around the south side of the cold blob – this then brings warm winds from the southwest into Europe, leading to heat waves there, as in the summer of 2015. Another study found a decrease in summer precipitation in northern Europe and stronger winter storms. What exactly the further consequences will be is the subject of current research.
However, the latest generation (CMIP6) of climate models shows one thing: if we continue to heat up our planet, the AMOC will weaken further – by 34 to 45% by 2100. This could bring us dangerously close to the tipping point at which the flow becomes unstable.
"Major climate change measures included in Covid aid bill"
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The Covid-19 relief bill that President Donald Trump signed on Sunday includes legislation to fund investments in clean energy technologies and regulate climate-warming greenhouse gases — a step that offers some hope for the bigger climate ambitions of President-elect Joe Biden.
Originally posted by rinselberg: The Covid-19 relief bill that President Donald Trump signed on Sunday includes legislation to fund investments in clean energy technologies and regulate climate-warming greenhouse gases — ...
Why didn't the "clean energy investment" bill legislation include Covid-19 relief ?
That's totally false. They were anti-communist, anti-homosexual, anti-debauchery, anti-banker. They were anti-whoever occupied those positions. Nothing has changed in 80 years. Nationalism is what it's called. They were pro-German, pro-English, pro-Austrian, pro-gun and were not anti-American. Now we cured them. We forced them to accept endless third world invasions, globo-homo, globo-bankers and endless restitution. Germany is still occupied by us.
The facts on the battlefield were much much different. Their bullets, bombs, shells, and torpedoes told a completly different story. The best thing the world could have done with Germany and Italy at the end of WW2 was turn the whole of those 2 nations and their people over to Joseph Stalin. Japan should have been turned over to China.
That's outright bunk, and makes you a revisionist. Nobody was disputing that NAZI Germany was straight-up targeting the communists, unacceptibles and was nationalizing banking cartels. Their economic model put Hitler on Time Magazine as Man of the Year twice, didn't it? Antifa was created in that time in Germany by the same people as in America now, but revisionists in America call them Nazis, lol. Irony--revisionism. Documentaries by the Allies even state that Allied nations funded and supported the communists in the Axis nations before, during and after the war to weaken Germany internally. That's not newly discovered info.
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The facts on the battlefield were much much different. Their bullets, bombs, shells, and torpedoes told a completly different story. The best thing the world could have done with Germany and Italy at the end of WW2 was turn the whole of those 2 nations and their people over to Joseph Stalin. Japan should have been turned over to China.
Fact: Allies knowingly forced much of Europe under communism after the war so you got part of your wish of more communism. Fact: England and France declared war, not Germany. In your world Germany isn't supposed to defend itself with bombs, bullets, torpedoes, etc.. Fact: The Soviet Union invaded Poland right beside Germany like 11 days later. However, we liked the communists, so the communist invasion was on the approved list. Revisionists blamed Germany for England declaring war. Actual history is just history without the colour. The Allies invited the Soviet communists to join them again for another world war. Fact: the Allies, specifically Stalin, murdered perhaps 50-60 million with Allied Bolshevic communism. Yeah, that's what following Churchill produced.
Boomers can't unlearn their Hollywood revisionist programming, because, ego. And they were revision-ized for so long. Reality isn't comforting. Zoomers aren't as susceptible to Hollywood and also don't have to admit they've been duped for decades. They're lucky they weren't bombarded with revisionism like we were. We all have the world's greatest library in our hands several times per day so it's understandable why Zoomers have a lighter programing.
btw, my grade/class was never really called Boomers, nor Gen Xers all through high school and well after. Suddenly, the government decided I'm a Boomer. That's revisionism by the government.
Originally posted by maryjane: I guess it's true. There are, always have been and always be at least a few Nazi apologists somewhere in the world. I'll never be one of them.
There are almost none. The apologists are all covering for what the Allies did. Hollywood trains them how.
Hi, I'm interested in a synopsis of what you would like us to know, what you believe. Also how do you feel about BLM, Antifa, and social justice warriors. Also post modernism. Thanks
The synopsis is that we are reaping the whirlwind. Normies can't figure out how this is happening but it's so clear when you wipe away the prop-agenda of the past 75 years. Because when you lay with dogs you get fleas. The Allies included the Soviet communists, and Antifa was a creation of communism in 1930s Germany. The USA was on the side to help defeat nationalism. So was Antifa. Now it's our turn to be taken down from within.
WWII, Federal Reserve, War for States Rights. Pivotal to get us where we are.
The synopsis is that we are reaping the whirlwind. Normies can't figure out how this is happening but it's so clear when you wipe away the prop-agenda of the past 75 years. Because when you lay with dogs you get fleas. The Allies included the Soviet communists, and Antifa was a creation of communism in 1930s Germany. The USA was on the side to help defeat nationalism. So was Antifa. Now it's our turn to be taken down from within.
WWII, Federal Reserve, War for States Rights. Pivotal to get us where we are.
Makes sense to me. Its hard to imagine folks didn't see this coming.
Originally posted by 2.5: Makes sense to me. Its hard to imagine folks didn't see this coming.
The evidence that SJWs have have such success at changing global and US policy and BLM with Antifa can violently assault people, commit arson, etcetera without police push-back, any real criminal prosecutions or repercussions shows that this is the intended agenda from the United States. The media is part of the agenda just as they were in the 1940s.
No mythology of morality is going to change actual policy of present actions nor historical ones.
The Anthropogenic Global Warming or AGW Affirmation team has just gained some yardage against the AGW Skeptics team.
I wouldn't call it a "chunk" play. It's not a 20+ yards "highlights reel" kind of play. More like a "quick out" or a "dig route" on First and Ten that yields an easy 5 yards.
The really curious can see for themselves.
"Earth used to be cooler than we thought, which changes our math on global warming"
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The last 12,000 years have been much cooler than previously thought, according to research published Wednesday in the journal Nature. And in contrast, human-caused warming of the atmosphere is even more anomalous than we’d realized. That’s because the study’s authors have found a new way to estimate historical temperatures which they say filters out seasonal shifts that had made past millennia seem warmer than they really were.
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“Even before the Industrial Revolution, greenhouse gases have been increasing since 6,000 years ago,” Bova says. But that increase is tiny compared to modern emissions. The concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere increased by about 20 parts per million between roughly 4000 BCE and 1850 CE, she said. By comparison, it’s increased by about 100 parts per million just since 1950.
