Originally posted by ray b: funny is blaming a god for everything as there is no god funny is fearing a god that just never was
even funniest is thinking they KNOW THE WILL OF A GOD THAT NEVER WAS
Blaming God ? The will of God ? Knowing the will of God ?
ray ray, It is obvious you do not know the Lord's Prayer. Of which one sections says "thy will be done". That means we do not fault God for things which we consider bad, wrong, etc. We know God works in mysterious ways. We do not claim or suggest we know every will which God has.
Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name; thy kingdom come; thy will be done; on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from the evil one. For thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory, for ever and ever. Amen.
Originally posted by 1985 Fiero GT: They don't now, but they will get much worse. people on earth have their whole lives to make that all important choice, believe and be saved, or sin and be punished. God made us, he sets the rules, and lets us do as we please, he doesn't control us like robots, we have free will, but our actions will be punished after our time on earth is ended. He provided a get out of jail free card, if it is accepted, which very often it is not.
1985 Fiero GT, That was a powerful post. All of it.
Originally posted by NewDustin: If I was assaulted carrying out my job I would report every minor injury I sustained during the assault...would you be inclined to let them have a few freebies on-the-house? "But they only injured some of the cops a little" just seems a very strange response to a group that we know stabbed, tazed, beat, and injured many police officers seriously, causing multiple career-ending injuries. Pointing out that they weren't able to injure more cops more significantly in that time they doesn't diminish the damage they did do.
This is a baseless argument, and really means absolutely nothing at all to the point of the whole "J6" argument.
Let's talk about the 14th Amendment. I have a law degree from Drexel University - Klein School of Law, and I know you don't, so let me educate you... and if that sounded arrogant, it was intended to, because I'm tired of this bullshit.
In the Supreme Court, it says over the archway, "Equal Justice Under the Law."
Now, it technically doesn't say this in the U.S. Constitution, but it's derived from the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment. Now, let me explain what that means, and what it should mean to you. The equal protection clause effectively states that everyone is entitled to equal jurisprudence, or more easily put (as Cornell Law states), "The governing body state must treat an individual in the same manner as others in similar conditions and circumstances."
Over the past decades... radical leftist Democrats have invaded the Capitol building on several occasions. Three separate significant instances that I can remember since the year 2000. In all three cases, they forcefully entered the Capitol building, occupied it, and trashed it.
Now, "Sedition" according to WestLaw is defined as, "...the act of a person forcefully trying to overthrow, take down, hinder, or delay the government or its laws by doing so through words or speech. Like treason, someone found guilty of this crime would face terrible judgments." In all of the cases with Democrats, they were trying to "hinder" or "delay" the government or it's laws by doing so through words or speech.
The typical crime COULD be up to 20 years in prison at the worst, or a $10k fine. In all three instances, the Democrats were either dispersed, or arrested and later set free... typically with all charges dropped.
Now, let's compare those three instances to those of the J6ers. The J6ers were rounded up. FBI resources were used to raid anyone, and everyone involved. E-mails went out from OPM and through the various government agencies and departments for employees to report and identify (turn in) any employees they know of who participated in the J6 rally... even if they didn't enter the Capitol building. Thousands lost their clearances, were fired from their jobs, and nearly 1,000 people were imprisoned. Let's talk about DUE PROCESS, which is defined in the 5th Amendment, "be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law."
It's important to understand that while the 14th Amendment also has a due process clause, the 5th Amendment is defined exclusively to the Federal government, while the 14th Amendment's Due Process extends that to the states. So we'll focus on the 5th Amendment here.
Many of the J6 defendants were held without being charged for a significant amount of time... we're talking months, without being charged. During this time, the DOJ was weighing the political benefit to charging them with Sedition, versus trespassing, versus other charges. To date, only 6 people were charged with Seditious Conspiracy... the rest of them were charged with everything from simple misdemeanors, to breaking and entering. Most of those carry charges that don't have jail time, yet... many of them were being held for periods much longer than what would even reasonably be considered "time served."
All of this to say, the J6 participants were being treated as political prisoners. They were unfairly treated, significantly so, compared to their Democrat equals in crime... yet the Democrats never faced anything remotely similar to the abuse and torture the J6ers faced in prison during detainment.
You'll forgive me if I don't take some small pleasure in the emotional suffering that leftist-loony Democrats are going through right now.
The Leopards Eating People's Faces Party approves of that plan AKA THE Gop
it allows Leopards to gather wealth and power unchecked in unlimited amounts with never any rules aka the Gop rump/e-or billionair power plan
and shift con-troll of gov to the richest who can buy the LIES the most
but why do normal people with faces who are not Leopards but support the evil Leopards and their plans there ain't nothing but face eating by Leopards in the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party
I wish there was an other idea BUT Leopards Eating People's Faces Party IT IS ALL THE Gop HAS BECOME
Blaming God ? The will of God ? Knowing the will of God ?
ray ray, It is obvious you do not know the Lord's Prayer. Of which one sections says "thy will be done". That means we do not fault God for things which we consider bad, wrong, etc. We know God works in mysterious ways. We do not claim or suggest we know every will which God has.
Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name; thy kingdom come; thy will be done; on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from the evil one. For thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory, for ever and ever. Amen.
YOU MAY AS IT IS A FREE COUNTRY
BUT I WOULD LIKE FREEDOM FROM RELIGIOUS DELUSIONS AS I DO NOT BELIEVE IN YOUR OR ANY OTHER GOD DEVIL DEMON OR SPIRIT
if A GOD HAS A PLAN DO NOT SEND MEN WITH THE STORY/PLAN/PROGRAM ANGEL OR MOVING FINGER EVEN A BURNING BUSH
Leopards Eating People's Faces Party? No idea where or how you came up with that. No, I really don't care to know.
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Originally posted by ray b:
YOU MAY AS IT IS A FREE COUNTRY
BUT I WOULD LIKE FREEDOM FROM RELIGIOUS DELUSIONS
Would seem to me that avoiding discussions like this would be your answer but, having seen your repeated postings, I can see you'd rather stir that pot than let it simmer on its own. No one is recruiting you to join their church, walking away from such threads would seem to be the best option but, I doubt you'll do that.
Just my two cents.
Rams
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Leopards Eating People's Faces Party? No idea where or how you came up with that. No, I really don't care to know. Would seem to me that avoiding discussions like this would be your answer but, having seen your repeated postings, I can see you'd rather stir that pot than let it simmer on its own. No one is recruiting you to join their church, walking away from such threads would seem to be the best option but, I doubt you'll do that.
Just my two cents.
Rams
THEY TOLD EVERYONE THE EVIL 2025 PLAN
THEN BEGAN TO LIE ABOUT O NO WE WOULD NEVER DO THAT
LEOPARDS EATING FACES IS THE PLAN
WHAT DO YOU THINK HAPPENS IF THE TRUMP KILLS THE IRS ?
RICH WANT TO SHIFT TAXES ON THE WORKERS AND TELL YOU IT IS GODS PLAN
THEN BEGAN TO LIE ABOUT O NO WE WOULD NEVER DO THAT
LEOPARDS EATING FACES IS THE PLAN
WHAT DO YOU THINK HAPPENS IF THE TRUMP KILLS THE IRS ?
RICH WANT TO SHIFT TAXES ON THE WORKERS AND TELL YOU IT IS GODS PLAN
BINGO FACE MEET LEOPARD
Alrighty, well if that's your position, so be it. But you failed to respond to the avoiding religious postings. If, you ignore them, pass on by (as I do most of your posts), there's less aggravation. You might be a much happier camper.
Heh, a progressive nut job commenter on a failing venue.
Why won't you watch the video, Cliff? Afraid of the truth? While your head's stuck firmly in the sand, you'll soon be paying more for practically everything.
Originally posted by cliffw: Heh, a progressive nut job commenter on a failing venue.
MSNBC Larry said a US President can not set interest rates, that it is up to our Federal Reserve to do so. True enough. How ever, we can not borrow from the Federal Reserve. We have to use middle men financial institutions who can willy nilly set their own rates. Our President absolutely has some power over them.
Then Larry Oh'Dononel goes on to claim that the consumer pays the tariff. That group of idiots always want to raise taxes on corporations, denying it is a tax increase on the consumer.
What a tariff does is, yes, more expensive, but it yields less sales to the foreign entity. So much so that foreign entities adjust behavior.
Less taxes, tariffs, bring in more money to governments. That is why Trump wants to cut taxes.
Originally posted by Patrick: Why won't you watch the video, Cliff? Afraid of the truth? While your head's stuck firmly in the sand, you'll soon be paying more for practically everything.
I am watching it Patrick, so I can speak truth to the disillusioned. When in your lifetime did you not pay more for practically everything. ?
Looney Oh'Donnel says Best Buy pays the tariff at the dock. To the customs agent, who sends the money to the government.
Those who have a thinking cap knows that Best Buy, in that capacity, is a customer who can choose to pay the foreign entities loss in value, or not. Just as I can pay Best Buy's price, or not.
Then Larry Oh'Dononel goes on to claim that the consumer pays the tariff.
Ultimately, yes... that's how tariffs work. But that's not what Trump is saying. He's repeating a lie over and over that the exporting countries will be paying these tariffs. It's pure BS.
Originally posted by Patrick: Ultimately, yes... that's how tariffs work.
Go ahead Patrick, damn the torpedoes. You claim, maybe believe, Trump wants to place tariffs to make his citizens pay more to finance our government. As Loony Oh'Donnell asserts.
Go ahead Patrick, damn the torpedoes. You claim, maybe believe, Trump wants to place tariffs to make his citizens pay more to finance our government. As Loony Oh'Donnell asserts.
Is that all a tariff does ? Riddle me that.
no in history they cause DEPRESSIONS INTERNATIONALLY LIKE THEY DID IN THE 30'S
ray b, we are not the international communities keepers. They can avoid US tariffs. Allow our products to compete with theirs, man-o a man-o. Do not allow our border to be flooded / invaded with drugs or illegal immigrants. We never invited their commerce to America. We allow it.
Why won't you watch the video, Cliff? Afraid of the truth? While your head's stuck firmly in the sand, you'll soon be paying more for practically everything.
I watched it. It's absolute left wing BS and anyone other than a MSNBC lackey would recognize that immediately. It's exactly this kind of biased, lying, crap that caused the left to lose the white house, the senate and any semblance of trust with the majority of the American voter.
I watched it. It's absolute left wing BS and anyone other than a MSNBC lackey would recognize that immediately. It's exactly this kind of biased, lying, crap that caused the left to lose the white house...
What source would satisfy you? Is any source that contradicts what Trump is stating about tariffs simply "left wing BS"?
I suppose then that the following video won't meet with your approval either?
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: You'll forgive me if I don't take some small pleasure in the emotional suffering that leftist-loony Democrats are going through right now.
No. I will not.
Let's hold a party, .
You did not mention the J6 committee did not provide exculpatory evidence which they had.
I guess you think the Columbians are stupid. They caved to tariffs in one weekend. First, they would not allow us to repatriate their illegal aliens. They are taking them now.
Go ahead Patrick, damn the torpedoes. You claim, maybe believe, Trump wants to place tariffs to make his citizens pay more to finance our government. As Loony Oh'Donnell asserts.
Is that all a tariff does ? Riddle me that.
Tariffs raise prices on imported goods with the understanding that doing so will increase the competitiveness of more expensive domestic alternatives and/or raise government revenues. The understanding, no matter the case, is that the price of goods is going to increase. When the price of goods increase, it is the consumer who pays the difference -we can model it out, or turn to history, but those price increases are passed to consumers no matter how you look at it. So yes, no matter what else Donald Trump is trying to accomplish with his tariffs, he absolutely understands that it will force our citizens to pay more. I think it's incorrect to say he is only doing so to fund the government, since he's openly saying he intends to bolster domestic production with them as well.
What source would satisfy you? Is any source that contradicts what Trump is stating about tariffs simply "left wing BS"?
I suppose then that the following video won't meet with your approval either?
I watched the video because I wanted to see what got MaryJane to be so directly forward in his response. He usually reserves comments like that for when there's no question something is asinine, and I always hate to be on the receiving end of a direct MJ response like that, hahahah....
So... I started watching the video.
At the very beginning ... the 1 minute mark. Lawrence O'Donnel starts criticizing Trump for talking about lowering interest rates. Let's phrase the "build-up" for this... he criticized Trump for using a telepromter... which is incredibly rich... literally focused on that as his FIRST DIG towards Trump. Let's ignore the fact that Biden has never in his entire presidency been able to give even a semblance of a coherent speech without a telepromter. Because of this... he used one essentially 99% of the time. The same goes for Harris, and Hillary. But apparently when Trump does it (remember, he almost never uses a teleprompter), he's somehow an idiot.
Ok, but on to the point. The video was a CUT of his speech, and made to look like Trump somehow doesn't understand how interest rates are set. Worse still... Lawrence O'Donnel then proceeds to tell the incredibly ignorant MSNBC viewers how interest rates are set, and gives a quick primer on the Federal Reserve... all while essentially educating the idiots watching MSNBC, but conveying that Trump is the idiot and making them think he DOESN'T know how interest rates are set.
I'm 1 minute into an 8 minute video, and already it's a gross misrepresentation of Trump... basically... a fabrication. Trump VERY OBVIOUSLY knows that the Federal reserve sets interest rates, as he's even asked Jerome Powell to step down so that Trump can pick the next chairman (which wouldn't otherwise be until 2026).
Just a complete **** of a show... do I need to watch the rest?
You both are intentionally missing a lot in your generalization of "people pay more." The fact is... in the United States, we are a competitive market... from the consumer, to the store, to the supplier. There is nothing that Colombia makes that we cannot get from any other country (and don't already get in some fashion) in South and / or Central America. The worst possible thing that can happen to a country like Colombia, is that another country steps up and starts providing more product at a cheaper price... which the grocery stores (in the example of bananas) will already be doing the second they see an increase in price on a product. Not only is the price increase negligible to the United States (if at all), but it becomes permanently devastating to the country of Colombia as they might not ever get that business back. That is why Colombia folded so quickly... I barely clicked submit on my Colombia post before the Colombian president reversed the decision in his own round-about way.
So, should I watch the rest of it? Or is it also totally inane like the first minute and a half was?
Originally posted by NewDustin: Tariffs raise prices on imported goods with the understanding that doing so will increase the competitiveness of more expensive domestic alternatives and/or raise government revenues.
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Originally posted by NewDustin: If we want to pay the increase in prices of imported goods. Increasing the competitiveness of American prices ?
Sounds good to me.
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Originally posted by NewDustin: The understanding, no matter the case, is that the price of goods is going to increase. When the price of goods increase, it is the consumer who pays the difference -we can model it out, or turn to history, but those price increases are passed to consumers no matter how you look at it. So yes, no matter what else Donald Trump is trying to accomplish with his tariffs, he absolutely understands that it will force our citizens to pay more.
Okay. Let's turn to history. Freedom is not free and neither is commerce.
Originally posted by cliffw: Okay. Let's turn to history. Freedom is not free and neither is commerce.
Tariffs being a good way to fund freedom proooooobably isn't the best argument to turn to history for. I'd argue that if you force someone to pay for freedom then what you are delivering isn't freedom, but again that's a different conversation. In this case I'd suggest if we're going to fund "freedom" we do it in a less-likely-to-end-in-catastrophe kind of way.
Let's phrase the "build-up" for this... he criticized Trump for using a telepromter... which is incredibly rich... literally focused on that as his FIRST DIG towards Trump. Let's ignore the fact that Biden has never in his entire presidency been able to give even a semblance of a coherent speech without a telepromter. Because of this... he used one essentially 99% of the time. The same goes for Harris, and Hillary. But apparently when Trump does it (remember, he almost never uses a teleprompter), he's somehow an idiot.
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You missed the entire point of why the teleprompter was brought up. It was not the fact that he was simply using one, it was because it demonstrated that Trump was reading from a script, and not just winging it. And why does that make a difference? Because Trump often makes up total bullsh!t when he's winging it, but in this case he's telling a lie that his staff knew was a lie when they wrote the script for him.
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Originally posted by cliffw:
MSNBC Larry said a US President can not set interest rates...
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Originally posted by Patrick:
There was a lot more to that video than just "interest rates".
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
I'm 1 minute into an 8 minute video, and already it's a gross misrepresentation of Trump... basically... a fabrication. Trump VERY OBVIOUSLY knows that the Federal reserve sets interest rates, as he's even asked Jerome Powell to step down so that Trump can pick the next chairman (which wouldn't otherwise be until 2026).
So, should I watch the rest of it? Or is it also totally inane like the first minute and a half was?
This thread is about tariffs. I don't give a damn about how the "Federal reserve sets interest rates". So you didn't even bother watching the part of the video that pertains to the actual discussion of this thread?
I can understand why you guys don't like Lawrence O'Donnell. He comes across as kind of smug. Watch the second video I posted then. It probably explains things better anyway. Pay close attention to what is said about tariffs on washing machines. Seriously, it's rather interesting.
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Originally posted by cliffw: Yawn, I have seen that before. How would you fund freedom?
We've had this conversation at length, and I'm certain if you are not currently familiar with funding sources I think are more beneficial you could find a conversation the two of us have been engaged in together where I have already laid that out in detail.
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Originally posted by cliffw: I wonder why you think freedom is free.
And I wonder why you think you could forcibly take someone's property and call that "freedom."
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Originally posted by cliffw: You would suggest ? What do you suggest ?
Have you given up on economic conservatism entirely? Can you not come up with any way to free up government funds that are not tax increases?
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Read a news report last night that some Canadian Law makers, (don't remember what their titles were) were threatening to shut off power (electricity) to much of the North Eastern US customers if the US does apply the proposed tariffs.
This will make it even more interesting should that be done.
Amazingly simple solution to all this back and forth but,.................
------------------ Rams Learning most of life's lessons the hard way. . You are only young once but, you can be immature indefinitely.
Originally posted by NewDustin: I wonder why you think you could forcibly take someone's property and call that "freedom."
Seize what property ?
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Originally posted by NewDustin: Have you given up on economic conservatism entirely? Can you not come up with any way to free up government funds that are not tax increases?
No. I believe in economic conservatism Yes. I can come up with ways to free up government funds. Let me count the ways, as the saying goes. I can not list many of them but let's start with DOGE. The Department of Government Efficiency.
May I suggest that we start with every program where money goes to entities other than government programs be looked at for who gets that money and what's done with it. That's not to suggest all funding by Congress shouldn't be looked into (Political Pet Projects), I have no doubt there's waste and abuse but, we've got to start somewhere. Remember the Bridge to No Where? Entitlements and border crosser supports are other area that need some serious attention.
Originally posted by blackrams: Read a news report last night that some Canadian Law makers, (don't remember what their titles were) were threatening to shut off power (electricity) to much of the North Eastern US customers if the US does apply the proposed tariffs.
This will make it even more interesting should that be done.
Amazingly simple solution to all this back and forth but,.................
Rams, if you threatened to kick my ass I will call you names in retaliation, . The North Eastern US customers ? Where does that electrical power come from ? The Niagara Falls ?
