I don't care about Biden. He's an old man that should be retired, much like Trump. It's just that you choose to ignore the gorilla (pandemic) in the room when it comes to the economic downturn starting in 2020 or so. And you also like to ignore the fact that the economic downturn was a worldwide issue, and not just experienced in the US.
Originally posted by Patrick: Your original post is copied below. If you'd care to make a wager based on what is highlighted below, I'll take you up on it... with the loser paying into Cliff Pennock's Beer Fund. How much do you wish to give Cliff?
On me using the word frantically. She called him, and it was immediate after his post, same with Trudeau. You are more within your right to interpret the timeliness of the calls to your own desire.
All of that said, Trump has full authority to impose tariffs, day one, as I explained to you. Are you suggesting that he won't implement them, or are you suggesting that they won't work?
I suppose you'll have to see, but any one someone has called Trump's bluff, they've always been sorry. Sometimes they're even killed by drone strike.
I'd have to say though, Trump doesn't really care about short-term ramifications... he has no term after this to worry about. What I can say though, is that economically, it doesn't take a college degree in economics just to explain how this will dramatically affect Mexico (and Canada) far more than it will the United States.
For the United States: - It's a very short-term cost increase. If any of the companies (whom are U.S. based, but manufacture in Canada or Mexico, they could potentially ramp up production in the United States, or shift new production back to the United States, at the expense of Canada and Mexico... since it's the United States that consumes these products more so than Mexico and Canada consume U.S. products.
For Canada: - It would mean an immediate income loss to all the products that are manufactured in Canada and shipped to the United States... cars, car parts, and several other manufacturing. Whatever Trump expects or demands from Trudeau, you can be sure that he will likely relent (border). It's a small price for Canada to pay for maintaining their economy.
For Mexico: - It would be disastrous. Mexico's GDP is entirely based on the United States. We buy everything from them... cars, air conditioning units, you name it, including produce. As tough as the Mexican president wants to desires to be... if Mexico's economy takes a 35-40% hit (which it immediately would), it would mean absolute disaster for her political career, and she might even be ousted.
Love it (or hate it, as I suspect you do), Both Canada and Mexico will absolutely relent. The United States can buy almost everything from different places around the world. We have a lot of options. It will increase the costs of some products, but by and large, the effect on the United States will largely be minimal. Not going to lie... I'm loving the power that Trump will have to make other countries bend to her will.
On me using the word frantically. She called him, and it was immediate after his post...
And from that you've determined that the Mexican President "frantically" called Trump. You're so used to just making up stuff that it doesn't even faze you when you're called out on it.
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All of that said, Trump has full authority to impose tariffs, day one, as I explained to you. Are you suggesting that he won't implement them, or are you suggesting that they won't work?
I have no crystal ball, but I'd be absolutely gobsmacked if Trump actually follows through on the full25% tariff on all products imported into the US from Canada and Mexico. IMO, Trump's just blowing smoke. It's all part of the phony-baloney tough guy act, that you and like-minded individuals appear to worship.
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Not going to lie... I'm loving the power that Trump will have to make other countries bend to her will.
Yeah, well... it's extremely arrogant attitudes like that which motivate terrorists to fly airliners into highrise towers. Some people never learn.
"About Brian Tyler Cohen is an American progressive YouTuber, podcast host, author, political commentator, actor and MSNBC contributor. His political podcast is called No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen."
Originally posted by jdv: Can I get some help? Who wanted to bet that President Trump would not win the election?
The first election, the stolen election, or this recent election ?
I remember early on in the first election, when our leftoids had more balls to speak out, someone said Trump was not even trying to win and that he was just building his "brand".
All the leftoid press bet the house he would not win. As the leftoid news tries to do, they trashed all 17 2016 Republican Presidential candidates by bolstering Trumps campaign.
Did they learn to be careful what they ask for ? 2024 says "no".
I stumbled across this video tonight. I've never before heard of this fella who's giving his opinion on tariffs, but I think he's bang on.
This video has to be a joke... no matter how you try to manipulate the numbers, Canada and Mexico need us far more than we need them. PERIOD... there is no further discussion needed.
If Trump institutes a tariff... Canada and Mexico will lose... PERIOD. They will either arrogantly destroy themselves, or relent... and just last night, Trudeau hastily flew to Mar-a-Lago and had dinner with Trump to discuss the threat of tariffs. Trudeau realizes how serious the threat is.s
The president of Mexico on the other hand, she's agreed to stop the caravans... but she also has the threat of her own life from the drug cartels who utilize them... so she's in a really bad situation. More than likely, she'll stop the caravans, in exchange for Trump supporting additional anti-narcotics and gang support to Mexico.
This video has to be a joke... no matter how you try to manipulate the numbers, Canada and Mexico need us far more than we need them. PERIOD... there is no further discussion needed.
If Trump institutes a tariff... Canada and Mexico will lose... PERIOD. They will either arrogantly destroy themselves, or relent... and just last night, Trudeau hastily flew to Mar-a-Lago and had dinner with Trump to discuss the threat of tariffs. Trudeau realizes how serious the threat is.s
The president of Mexico on the other hand, she's agreed to stop the caravans... but she also has the threat of her own life from the drug cartels who utilize them... so she's in a really bad situation. More than likely, she'll stop the caravans, in exchange for Trump supporting additional anti-narcotics and gang support to Mexico.
A Clear and Present Danger scenario? Hmmm.
Unfortunately, my service days are over but......................
Rams
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That was just for you... and I was waiting for you to say "Trump didn't have dinner with Trudeau!" and then I'd have to find a link to prove it. Haha...
Look, I know it's a hurt to pride for some Canadians to see Trudeau having to take Trump seriously, but the one part of the video you posted that's correct... is where they said "Trump is not interested in diplomacy, and is only interested in brute force." They know that Trump will literally do what he says, and doesn't have time for negotiations to get what he wants. And they are correct... hence the tariffs. Personally, I think Trudeau is doing a good job right now making sure he doesn't screw up here... he knows Trump does not value Canada over the U.S., and will leave that country in shambles if he doesn't get what he wants.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: That was just for you... and I was waiting for you to say "Trump didn't have dinner with Trudeau!" and then I'd have to find a link to prove it. Haha...
Look, I know it's a hurt to pride for some Canadians to see Trudeau having to take Trump seriously, but the one part of the video you posted that's correct... is where they said "Trump is not interested in diplomacy, and is only interested in brute force." They know that Trump will literally do what he says, and doesn't have time for negotiations to get what he wants. And they are correct... hence the tariffs. Personally, I think Trudeau is doing a good job right now making sure he doesn't screw up here... he knows Trump does not value Canada over the U.S., and will leave that country in shambles if he doesn't get what he wants.
From The BBC: " The Florida visit is the latest move by Canada as it seeks to avoid the hefty tariffs, which could have wide-reaching economic impacts.
It remains unclear whether the incoming Trump administration will actually move ahead with the threatened tariffs, as analysts note that the president-elect has been known to use such threats in the past as a negotiating tactic to achieve his goals.
Trump - who has also threatened the same levy against Mexico - has signalled that they would remain in place until both countries work to secure their shared borders with the US.
Trudeau said on Friday that "when Trump makes statements like that, he plans on carrying them out".
He said his goal was to point out the tariff would not just harm Canadians but also raise prices for Americans and hurt that country's economy.
Trudeau was accompanied on the trip by Dominic LeBlanc, the minister in charge of border security.
US media reported that Trudeau and Trump were joined at dinner by Howard Lutnick, Trump's nominee for commerce secretary; Doug Burgum, tapped to lead the Department of the Interior; and Mike Waltz, who has been selected as the next national security adviser.
Canada is one of America's largest trading partners and it sends about 75% of its total exports to the US. The two countries also share deeply integrated supply chains.
After the phone call with Trump, Trudeau held an emergency meeting on Wednesday with the leaders of Canada's provinces and territories over how to manage the US-Canada relationship.
Trudeau is promising to present a united "Team Canada" approach to working with the US to make the case against the levy.
Several leaders of Canadian provinces have criticised Trump's plan, saying it would be devastating to the country's economy, including the oil and gas and automotive industries.
Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum also had a phone call with Trump this week."
I'll take higher prices every day, over a porous south or northern border.
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Look, I know it's a hurt to pride for some Canadians to see Trudeau having to take Trump seriously...
That's where you're wrong (again). No one outside of Trump's inner circle, or maybe his immediate family, takes Trump seriously. He's a clown. However, his office, his soon to be position of POTUS, is respected.
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...the one part of the video you posted that's correct... is where they said "Trump is not interested in diplomacy, and is only interested in brute force." They know that Trump will literally do what he says, and doesn't have time for negotiations to get what he wants.
Trump wrote The Art of the Deal... not The Art of Brute Force. He'll negotiate.
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...he (Trudeau) knows Trump does not value Canada over the U.S
Damn, what a revelation! lol
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...and will leave that country in shambles if he doesn't get what he wants.
And this is how you'd like to see Trump treat America's #1 ally on the world stage? Leave Canada "in shambles"? I think you need to lay off of Trump's celebratory Kool-Aid. It's messing with your better judgement.
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There is NO chance that Donald J Trump will ever get elected as POTUS again. Absolutely no chance. Zip, Zilch, Nada.
If anyone would care to bet $100(US) against my claim, to be paid into Cliff Pennock's Beer Fund, now's the time to speak up.
And if Cliff Pennock would agree to this, I suggest a permanent banishment from PFF to the loser of this bet if payment is not made within 30 days of the conclusion of the next US presidential election.
Yes, I was wrong... and yes, that stung. Interestingly enough though, not one Trump supporter in this forum (not a single one!) had the balls to take me up on my offer. Of course, Trump supporters are now feeling oh-so-cocky.
But people DO take Trump seriously... that's why they're so afraid of him. That's why they raided Mar-a-Lago, that's why there are three states trying to imprison him, as well as the DOJ, that's why there have been two assassination attempts... they DO take him seriously. Trudeau is terrified of him, as much as he despises him.
Sir, I believe we all understand that you don't like DJT. That's pretty obvious but, I don't believe I have ever heard your opinion of Justin Trudeau. Care to discuss your own Prime Minister?
Rams
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Originally posted by Patrick: No one outside of Trump's inner circle, or maybe his immediate family, takes Trump seriously. He's a clown. However, his office, his soon to be position of POTUS, is respected.
Patrick, we have heard it all before, ad nauseam. Don't sugar coat it.
He's a racist clown. He's a NAZI clown. He's a sexist clown. He's a dictatorial clown. Bush was a cowboy. Name calling is all you got, ?
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Originally posted by Patrick: Trump wrote The Art of the Deal... not The Art of Brute Force. He'll negotiate.
He already is negotiating. Have you ever negotiated ? It's a game of the Rucker and the Ruckee. One of the main rules is the golden rule. The man with the gold makes the rules.
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Originally posted by Patrick: And this is how you'd like to see Trump treat America's #1 ally on the world stage? Leave Canada "in shambles"? I think you need to lay off of Trump's celebratory Kool-Aid. It's messing with your better judgement.
#1 ally ? My, how vain you are. I bet you think the world is about Canada.
Patrick, Todd was/is correct. The President of Mexico did frantically called Trump to negotiate about the tariffs. Toddler Trudeau did hastily and frantically go to Mara Lago, Florida to negotiate about the tariffs.
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I guess you was not first in line for brains. Trump was not safe from the minute he came down the golden escalator.
Peaceful turnover of power to Trump in 2016 ? NOT ! THEY did everything they could do to him to make him fail. Including assassination attempts. They failed.
Originally posted by cliffw: #1 ally ? My, how vain you are. I bet you think the world is about Canada.
Patrick, Todd was/is correct. The President of Mexico did frantically called Trump to negotiate about the tariffs. Toddler Trudeau did hastily and frantically go to Mara Lago, Florida to negotiate about the tariffs.
I like Canada, don't get me wrong, but I'd have to say the U.S.'s #1 ally would probably have to be the U.K... is my guess...
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Well, isn't this precious... Trump's buddy is worried about him.
I get that you don't like Trump (the real reasons why, I think I would find interesting), but surely you understand posturing and psychology, right? That you think Putin is Trump's buddy is odd... makes me think you still actually believe in the whole "Russia Collusion" hoax, which we know was actually collusion between Hilary and Russia. But most people would look at this statement and say... "Putin is trying to get on Trump's good side so that he's more favorable during Ukraine negotiations."
If Biden didn't have dementia, and he was coherent, he'd probably be trying to broker peace right now before Trump takes office. He literally still has almost 2 months left of being President... that's plenty of time to negotiate.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: I like Canada, don't get me wrong, but I'd have to say the U.S.'s #1 ally would probably have to be the U.K... is my guess...
The UK, Germany, and Canada are strong allies for sure. I think Israel is our number one ally. The EU, Mexico, Canada, others, are important allies for sure. Israel is and has been under siege by those that want to eradicate it. Also not a part of NATO. They model democracy for an important region we need. Under pressure.
The UK, Germany, and Canada are strong allies for sure. I think Israel is our number one ally. The EU, Mexico, Canada, others, are important allies for sure. Israel is and has been under siege by those that want to eradicate it. Also not a part of NATO. They model democracy for an important region we need. Under pressure.
Haha why does everyone say Israel is our #1 ally? What do they do for us besides siphon tax dollars off us? When have they ever helped us? Ever heard of the USS Liberty? The UK is a way more important ally by far. Our relationship with Israel is similar to a parasite.
Haha why does everyone say Israel is our #1 ally? What do they do for us besides siphon tax dollars off us? When have they ever helped us? Ever heard of the USS Liberty? The UK is a way more important ally by far. Our relationship with Israel is similar to a parasite.
Well to the best of my knowledge, the US and Israel do not have a mutual defense treaty/pact. This is a bit confusing to me because we support them in all kinds of ways but, I'm not real sure what Israel does to support the US. Would not be surprised if there's a lot of Intel going back and forth but..................
Israel (to my understanding) does not want such a pact/treaty because that would give the US an ability to control what Israel does. I'm not sure I agree with that position because the US can/could always cut of the aide we've been providing since the creation of the Israeli state.
Originally posted by blackrams: Well to the best of my knowledge, the US and Israel do not have a mutual defense treaty/pact. This is a bit confusing to me because we support them in all kinds of ways but, I'm not real sure what Israel does to support the US. Would not be surprised if there's a lot of Intel going back and forth but..................
Israel (to my understanding) does not want such a pact/treaty because that would give the US an ability to control what Israel does. I'm not sure I agree with that position because the US can/could always cut of the aide we've been providing since the creation of the Israeli state.
Rams
Any amount of intel they could even possibly provide, is not worth the money we burn to support them. We can do that ourselves for much less money. They are more than welcome to purchase our arms, but why must we give them billions every single year?
"But muh middle eastern democracy!!1!" some people proclaim. So what? Who cares about what happens over there? They can fend for themselves. We have our own problems to worry about.
You're so used to just making up stuff that it doesn't even faze you when you're called out on it.
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