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So "liberals" are the ones who spent to much and created the deficit?

You really do live in a bubble, don't you?

And the way you behave here proves that your parents did not teach you any manners. Many times you will enter a thread just to make personal attacks against me and never even mention the topic of the thread.

Gues that is what happens when you have parents from the "great" generation that supported racial segregation; reduced rights for women; and beating up people for being homosexual.



Aww, did I hurt your widdle feewings?

Suck it up buttercup.

My parents did none of those things.

When do you graduate from high school?
Do you wear eye makeup in school, or just around the house?

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Aww, did I hurt your widdle feewings?



What would make you think you hurt my feelings.

Your claim that "liberals" are the ones to blame for the massive deficit actually made me chuckle. Anyone with a basic understanding of history knows that BOTH parties are equally responsible for massive government deficits.

Even BEFORE COVID Trump was running deficits double what Obama was doing his last years in office. The evidence is so easy to research for anyone who is willing to actually do any research. the only people ignorant of this fact are the ones who claim they don't need any source of information to know what is true.

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Where ? Post it.

I just did.

Donald Jr was the one who released the emails. He admits they were his.

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What would make you think you hurt my feelings.

Your claim that "liberals" are the ones to blame for the massive deficit actually made me chuckle. Anyone with a basic understanding of history knows that BOTH parties are equally responsible for massive government deficits.

Even BEFORE COVID Trump was running deficits double what Obama was doing his last years in office. The evidence is so easy to research for anyone who is willing to actually do any research. the only people ignorant of this fact are the ones who claim they don't need any source of information to know what is true.


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When confronted with the proof of his emails Donal Trump Jr admitted that Russians agents contacted him offering damaging information on Hillary Clinton and that he set up a meting with them at Trump Tower.


No, he did not.

NBC outside the bubble ?

Did you read the emails or just the NBC allegations ?

 
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I did not have to read them. I read Donald Jr's admission.

Did you?


Yes, I read the actual emails. Donald Trump Jr, never said he set up a meeting with the Russians to get damaging information on the Hillary campaign.

 
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Donald Jr was the one who released the emails. He admits they were his.


They do not say what you and NBC allege they do.
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Yes, I read the actual emails. Donald Trump Jr, never said he set up a meeting with the Russians to get damaging information on the Hillary campaign.



Donald Trump JR lied and claimed there was never a meeting.

Then when evidence forced him to admit that he had lied about the meeting he lied again and said that no one had ever mentioned any information on Hillary.

Then when emails showed him saying he "loved it" when the Russians said they had info on Clinton and ask to set up a meeting he had to AGAIN admit he had lied before.

So why the hell would anyone believe him when he says the meeting never involved the info on Hillary. You have to be completely brainwashed to think he is not still lying. He is a PROVEN LIAR ABOUT RUSSIAN COLLUSION.

In history books I believe the quote next to Trumps picture will be "I could shoot a man in the middle of the street and they would still support me." The most amazing thing about Trump is how his followers will just blindly believe anything he says. It is really incredible.

Your original question to me was about "corroborating evidence" about the connection between Russia and Trump. I show you emails where Don Jr is offered info on Hillary from the Russians and he says he "loves it". So even if you want believe Jr's huge lies all the stuff that was PROVEN true is "corroborating evidence". You are so twisted up you do not even know what you are trying to argue.

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Then when emails showed him saying he "loved it" when the Russians said they had info on Clinton and ask to set up a meeting he had to AGAIN admit he had lied before.


I did not see that in the emails. Post it.

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Where ? Post it.



I already did, but here they are again.

https://www.nbcnews.com/pol...ssia-meeting-n781736

"Donald Trump Jr. met with a Russian lawyer who he believed had damaging information about Hillary Clinton in the midst of the 2016 election — and wrote "I love it" about the prospect of getting his hands on the material, according to emails released Tuesday by the president's eldest son."


Don't you get it. They were released by DONALD TRUMP JR. He does not dispute anything in them. He admits they are all true. EVERYONE OF THEM IS LISTED IN THE STORY.

What part of this are you saying is not true?

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From a certified and published historian.....

[/b]" TARGET=_blank>https://amgreatness.com/202...s-in-70-days/[b]
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Don't you get it. They were released by DONALD TRUMP JR. He does not dispute anything in them. He admits they are all true. EVERYONE OF THEM IS LISTED IN THE STORY.

What part of this are you saying is not true?


The alleged email showing Donald Trump Jr saying "I love it".
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The alleged email showing Donald Trump Jr saying "I love it".

He admits it was his.

HE WAS THE ONE WHO RELEASED IT.

How can you possibly not understand this? It is all right there in the story. The full email chain. The actual texts of the email is there.

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He admits it was his.

HE WAS THE ONE WHO RELEASED IT.

How can you possibly not understand this? It is all right there in the story. The full email chain. The actual texts of the email is there.


He confirms he had emails about his meeting. You did not read the actual texts of the emails.

Quit using Giggle.
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He confirms he had emails about his meeting. You did not read the actual texts of the emails.

Quit using Giggle.



Yes I did. The entire text of the emails is right there in the story.

The specific text is from June 3, 2016, 10:53

You are the one who did not read them. You just blindly believe whatever the right-wing media tells you. you refuse to even TRY to learn the truth. I put it right in front of your face and you refuse to acknowledge it.

What is your source of information that says all of this is not true?

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What is your source of information that says all of this is not true?


You.

Screenshot "I love it".

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This is a fairly long podcast, well worth the listen for people that do not want to be 'willfully ignorant'.

https://youtu.be/Gcy74OQnN_g?si=580FvB1KDjf9q2zK
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More from our friend in Kamalpornia.....

https://www.realclearpoliti...s_add_up_151572.html
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You.

Screenshot "I love it".



[URL=https://x.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/884789839522140166?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E884789839522140166%7Ctwgr%5Eeb7b3c5fc8131ebceaa5bd903862e8a169b0a39f%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nbcnews.com%2Fpolitics%2Fpoliti cs-ne]https://x.com/DonaldJTrumpJ...litics%2Fpolitics-ne[/URL] ws%2Ftrump-jr-tweets-his-emails-led-russia-meeting-n781736
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Thanks for providing proof of how completely detached from reality you are.

This is the real TDS. You stick proof right in front of their face and they refuse to believe it. In this case it is literally a mental disorder.

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[URL=https://x.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/884789839522140166?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E884789839522140166%7Ctwgr%5Eeb7b3c5fc8131ebceaa5bd903862e8a169b0a39f%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nbcnews.com%2Fpolitics%2Fpoliti cs-ne]https://x.com/DonaldJTrumpJ...litics%2Fpolitics-ne[/URL] ws%2Ftrump-jr-tweets-his-emails-led-russia-meeting-n781736


That is a screen shot ? Or does it say "pass go and pay two hundred dollars" ?

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[URL=https://x.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/884789839522140166?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E884789839522140166%7Ctwgr%5Eeb7b3c5fc8131ebceaa5bd903862e8a169b0a39f%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nbcnews.com%2Fpolitics%2Fpoliti cs-ne]https://x.com/DonaldJTrumpJ...litics%2Fpolitics-ne[/URL] ws%2Ftrump-jr-tweets-his-emails-led-russia-meeting-n781736
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Thanks for providing proof of how completely detached from reality you are.

This is the real TDS. You stick proof right in front of their face and they refuse to believe it. In this case it is literally a mental disorder.



Did I miss a rabbit hole ?

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That is a screen shot ? Or does it say "pass go and pay two hundred dollars" ?


Sorry.


Now, please tell me your source of information that told you this never happened.


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Did I miss a rabbit hole ?



Yes you missed everything.

You have no clue what is happening in the world around you because your only source of information is what Donald Trump tells you is true.
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How does this conversation relate to VDH's writings?

Why don't you two get a room and hash this out?
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https://amgreatness.com/202...rris-world-is-afire/

Be sure to read the comments section.

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https://amgreatness.com/202...rris-world-is-afire/





"Indeed, under Biden-Harris, the world has now lost free and safe transit in the Red Sea, the Black Sea, the South China Sea, the Strait of Hormuz, and the Eastern Mediterranean."

This is total BS.

Conflicts in the South China Sea and the Strait of Hormuz existed under Trump before Biden took office.

The Red Sea Crisis was triggered by the Hamas/Israel conflict.

The conflicts in the Eastern Mediterranean have actually gotten BETTER during the Biden administration. A summit in 2021 ended the Saudi- and Emirati-led blockade of Qatar. There was a Saudi-Iranian détente brokered 2023. The Presidents of two of the region's most bitter rivals, Turkey and Egypt, have exchanged personal visits in attempts to settle their differences.

Your sources are all full of blatant lies.

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you should be ashamed of trolling for the rump
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you should be ashamed of trolling for the rump


You should be ashamed of the gibberish you post that is full of hatred for everything.
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You should be ashamed of the gibberish you post that is full of hatred for everything.


no just for the kinds of people who want to impose their fairy tales on all others

for lying scum who can't tell lies from facts

for regressives who want to go back to some fantastic misremembered white rule

and war lovers who support putin and zionist conquests
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and war lovers who support putin and zionist conquests

"Peace Be Upon You" with Anna Boehme and Mariya Kamysheva


Russian girls performing a Jewish song with a decidedly jazzy twist.

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"Indeed, under Biden-Harris, the world has now lost free and safe transit in the Red Sea, the Black Sea, the South China Sea, the Strait of Hormuz, and the Eastern Mediterranean."

This is total BS.

Conflicts in the South China Sea and the Strait of Hormuz existed under Trump before Biden took office.

The Red Sea Crisis was triggered by the Hamas/Israel conflict.

The conflicts in the Eastern Mediterranean have actually gotten BETTER during the Biden administration. A summit in 2021 ended the Saudi- and Emirati-led blockade of Qatar. There was a Saudi-Iranian détente brokered 2023. The Presidents of two of the region's most bitter rivals, Turkey and Egypt, have exchanged personal visits in attempts to settle their differences.

Your sources are all full of blatant lies.

Just curious, Joe. But why do you go to the trouble to post these links but then never try to defend then when i rip them to shreds?

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Simply because you haven't even come close to 'ripping them to shreds'.

In case it hasn't occurred to you, you are here simply for the comic relief.

There are maybe three other Forum members that take anything you post seriously.
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Simply because you haven't even come close to 'ripping them to shreds'..

Yes I do. I point out lies in them and post information to back up my opinion. I did it in this very thread.

You never reply because there is nothing you can say. Instead all you do is make posts that are personal attacks on me.

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Yes I do. I point out lies in them and post information to back up my opinion. I did it in this very thread.

You never reply because there is nothing you can say. Instead all you do is make posts that are personal attacks on me.


Suck it up, buttercup.

VDH has more credibility than the sources that so easily m8slead morons like you.
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VDH has more credibility than the sources that so easily m8slead morons like you.

No he does not. He can not change facts.

Take his claim that we lost safe transport through the Strait of Hormuz under Biden. The FACT is that as soon as Trump withdrew from the Iranian Arms Deal and imposed sanctions in 2018 Iran has threatened to close the Strait. In 2019 Iran attacked the oil freighters Front Altair and Kokuka Courageous. Iranian forces also seized the British tanker Stena Impero. All of that happened while Trump was President, not Biden.

And I already listed several FACTS showing how tensions in the Eastern Mediterranean have improved during the Biden administration instead of getting worse.

These are facts. These things really happened. VDH is lying to you. He is manipulating you with propaganda.


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What was the line from the song ( before your time)...

'The things you take for knowledge I just don't understand'

I understand facts from proven, reliable sources.

You don't have proven, reliable sources.
They are hard to come by in these polarized times, and you don't have the mature knowledge base at your tender age to draw upon. My bullsh!t detector goes off everytime I read one of your posts.
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Originally posted by olejoedad:

There are maybe three other Forum members that take anything you (BingB) post seriously.


There are maybe a half dozen other Forum members who bother to post in P&R, so that's not a bad percentage!
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Originally posted by BingB:

No he does not. He can not change facts.

Take his claim that we lost safe transport through the Strait of Hormuz under Biden. The FACT is that as soon as Trump withdrew from the Iranian Arms Deal and imposed sanctions in 2018 Iran has threatened to close the Strait. In 2019 Iran attacked the oil freighters Front Altair and Kokuka Courageous. Iranian forces also seized the British tanker Stena Impero. All of that happened while Trump was President, not Biden.

And I already listed several FACTS showing how tensions in the Eastern Mediterranean have improved during the Biden administration instead of getting worse.

These are facts. These things really happened. VDH is lying to you. He is manipulating you with propaganda.



There's that "fact" word again... you used it four times in this post.
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Originally posted by olejoedad:

What was the line from the song ( before your time)...

'The things you take for knowledge I just don't understand'

I understand facts from proven, reliable sources.

You don't have proven, reliable sources.
They are hard to come by in these polarized times, and you don't have the mature knowledge base at your tender age to draw upon. My bullsh!t detector goes off everytime I read one of your posts.




The other pertinent line from that same song is: "I have to see things my own way just to keep me in my youth" which of course applies to Leftoids perfectly.
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Originally posted by randye:

The other pertinent line from that same song is: "I have to see things my own way just to keep me in my youth" which of course applies to Leftoids perfectly.


Oh really? Maybe you should get your facts straight before taking yet another tiresome swipe at "Leftoids".

 
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Do you just bend over and pull your "facts" straight out of your rectum or is that the "median" in your little benighted corner of Appalachia ?

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Originally posted by olejoedad:


You don't have proven, reliable sources.
They are hard to come by in these polarized times, and you don't have the mature knowledge base at your tender age to draw upon. My bullsh!t detector goes off everytime I read one of your posts.



My sources are 100% accurate. The proof is the fact that you have never been able to prove any of them wrong. In fact YOU DO NOT EVEN TRY because you know that you have NOTHING.

Everything I posted was correct and is backed up with FACTS. Tell me which of the FACTS that I posted that you claim are false. Be specific.

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