You are actually powerless. Not enough people agree with you to change laws and you are too weak to take anything by force.
Laws ?
Free men dont follow or obey Marxist-Orwellian thought laws. Or speech laws. Or forced-assembly laws. Or, for that matter, mandates.
Simply because freedom FROM is OUR right. Pass all the laws you want. They will just be ignored. And at least here, the supreme court agrees with the "Freedom From" concept. Those rulings apply to ALL ideologies. Including the leftist pet ones.
And as much as dumb-ocrocy hates it, Constitutional Rights TRUMP the will of the left mob. ...Just like Bud's sales figures are proving.
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And as much as dumb-ocrocy hates it, Constitutional Rights TRUMP the will of the left mob. ...Just like Bud's sales figures are proving.
And as much as you like to pretend you're a good ol' American boy... you're not. The way you suck up to the far right Yanks on this forum is nauseating.
Ya forget I've lived in both countries...and ended up back here for one and ONE reason only.
An L-1 visa isnt a green card. It's employer-specific. Once the project/job ends so does residency unless you have been there long enough for citizenship. And getting a green card from canada is damn near impossible unless you win the annual lottery.
And 35 years ago just "crashing the party" wasnt the same option it is today.
You also forget rednecks are universal. Tru-SCUM may have outlawed some groups and convoys but there aint sheet he can do about BOYS PRIDE We just re-form under a new name.
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Aint it funny how it's fine for the alphabet-I'm-not-even-going-to-try-to-remember to spew creepy images and innuendo, but not so much so our side in satire. Wierd how that works.
Aint it funny how it's fine for the alphabet-I'm-not-even-going-to-try-to-remember to spew creepy images and innuendo, but not so much so our side in satire. Wierd how that works.
Who's "our" side?
I've been directly called a "baby killer" at least once, and I believe also a "pedo" at some point here... all because I don't follow far right ideology... so don't bother playing the innocent act with whatever "side" you're pretending to be a part of.
Aint it funny how it's fine for the alphabet-I'm-not-even-going-to-try-to-remember to spew creepy images and innuendo, but not so much so our side in satire. Wierd how that works.
You just said it was "time for some fag hunting" in this thread.
Nothing sadder than a grown man who does nothing but squeal about his imaginary victimhood. And then try to act like he is some type of tough guy.
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Originally posted by fredtoast: Yes you do follow laws. if you don't you go to jail. Go incite a riot, or use fraud to obtain money, or commit perjury.
But I see you are refusing to answer my questions.
Who are "we" and what are you able to exclude people from? What do you think you control?
"We" is anybody who feels like, and what "we" are able to exclude people from is everything in our existence.
Door and wallet are locked, "No Trespassing" sign is out. Fuk ya if ya dont like it.
Here is what it boils down to, Toasted.
NOBODY, anywhere in North America, can be forced to support or participate in an ideology they do not wish to. We can argue on the interwebs all week long, that isnt going to change reality (much like self-identification wont). And reality is if "we" choose to ignore, boycott and cancel then we can damn well do it just like the wokesters can...and it seems "we" are much better at it.
So take your Woke Orwellian Animal Farm vision of a "progressive, civilized society" and stuff it. I am NOT joking when I say the sooner Putin nukes it off the planet the better off we will be.
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NOBODY, anywhere in North America, can be forced to support or participate in an ideology they do not wish to.
Actually yes you can.
You have to legally recognize same sex marriages.
You can't discriminate against Muslims based on their religion.
You can't discriminate against Mexicans based on their race.
You can't "hunt fags".
You can't force anyone to show you their genitals or birth certificate so that you can figure out their biological sex.
Pretty much all you can do is withdraw from society and sit in your basement squealing about how you are "excluding" everyone who does not agree with you.
You can't discriminate against Muslims based on their religion.
Yes, I can. Watch me.
You can't discriminate against Mexicans based on their race.
Again, watch me if I want to.
You can't "hunt fags".
Wanna bet ?
You can't force anyone to show you their genitals or birth certificate so that you can figure out their biological sex.
Dont need to. It's pretty obvious without.
Pretty much all you can do is withdraw from society and sit in your basement squealing about how you are "excluding" everyone who does not agree with you.
Dont have a basement, and apart from commerce I quit your filthy "society" 20 years ago.
Not bad, you are scoring a perfect "zero"
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Islam is not incompatible with full rights and equalities for women, and for LGBT(etc).
That would be Islamisim, which is the Islamists' efforts to impose, upon society at large, the rotting carcass of Islamic fundamentalism that "smart Islam" has discarded.
Islam is not incompatible with full rights and equalities for women, and for LGBT(etc).
That would be Islamisim, which is the Islamists' efforts to impose, upon society at large, the rotting carcass of Islamic fundamentalism that "smart Islam" has discarded.
Islam, like all religion, is a work in progress.
Really ????
Sure sounds like a superiority complex to me....convert and pay or die.
But once the Sacred Months have passed, kill the polytheists ˹who violated their treaties˺ wherever you find them,1 capture them, besiege them, and lie in wait for them on every way. But if they repent, perform prayers, and pay alms-tax, then set them free. Indeed, Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
You are actually powerless. Not enough people agree with you to change laws and you are too weak to take anything by force.
All you can do is squeal about how much it hurts you.
Well, that's not true... unless you're talking about Canada, in which case I have no idea. But America at large, has been souring the past couple of years on the movement.
Like myself, for example... I've had transgender friends from as far back as 2001. It's not something I'd do, but I absolutely treated them the same, it just wasn't an issue for me. It became an issue when the radical left started pushing this stuff in schools, and started impeding on the rights of others by allowing grown men to shower with little girls, or use women's rest-rooms.
Now, I realize that most places in Europe share a bathroom, and they all have stalls in them, but this largely came about because women generally never worked in offices... so there was always one bathroom in most older office buildings, and they learned to deal with it. The problem here though is that the vast majority of people who are claiming they're transgender, are not really any of those things, they are just sexual deviants. Gender dysphoria is an extremely rare condition. More than 25% of kids today identify as being transgender. This in large part has to do with the media and TikTok pushing it as something great. Right...? Everyone wants to be part of the cool or unique group. And all the teachers push it for personal reasons because they want to feel like doing something good. But it is impossible for 25% of our society to be trans. It's just not possible.
This narrative that the ultra-left is pushing though, is intentionally targeting children... for some unknown reason. Drag story time for little kids? Why? What could this possibly do to help young children? Why do we need to force sexual preferential decisions on grade schoolers? Even in high school, why is it so important that Democrats and people on the left focus on sexuality? Let kids be kids...
Also, it's worth mentioning that the majority of my transgender friends committed suicide. The left would have you think it's because they were mistreated post-op... but that's not it as well. Every single one of them (well, except for one of them), said they made a huge mistake, and fell into depression.
As I said... people have the right to live their lives, but they do not have the right to affect other's lives (sports, bathrooms, etc.). And... I have a right to speak out against what is clearly a severe mental illness that's being perpetuated by the left. I'm just going to say it, the majority of people who suffer mental illness is on the left. I read somewhere that nearly 80% of people on anti-depressants are registered Democrats. Normalizing insane behavior does not mean you are no longer insane.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: More than 25% of kids today identify as being transgender.
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A study published on Friday [June 10, 2022] estimates that nearly 1.64 million people over the age of 13 in the United States identify themselves as transgender, based on an analysis of newly expanded federal health surveys.
The study estimates that about 0.5% of all U.S. adults, some 1.3 million people, and about 1.4% ... of youth between 13- and 17-years-old identify as transgender, having a different gender identity than the sex they were assigned at birth. . . .
"New study estimates 1.6 million in U.S. identify as transgender"
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1.4% ... of youth between 13- and 17-years-old identify as transgender
"More than 25% of kids today identify as being transgender"..?
Not even close—unless someone is prepared to argue that the percentage of "kids" who identify as transgender has increased by 20 times over during the last 12 months.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Well, that's not true... unless you're talking about Canada, in which case I have no idea. But America at large, has been souring the past couple of years on the movement.
Like myself, for example... I've had transgender friends from as far back as 2001. It's not something I'd do, but I absolutely treated them the same, it just wasn't an issue for me. It became an issue when the radical left started pushing this stuff in schools, and started impeding on the rights of others by allowing grown men to shower with little girls, or use women's rest-rooms.
Now, I realize that most places in Europe share a bathroom, and they all have stalls in them, but this largely came about because women generally never worked in offices... so there was always one bathroom in most older office buildings, and they learned to deal with it. The problem here though is that the vast majority of people who are claiming they're transgender, are not really any of those things, they are just sexual deviants. Gender dysphoria is an extremely rare condition. More than 25% of kids today identify as being transgender. This in large part has to do with the media and TikTok pushing it as something great. Right...? Everyone wants to be part of the cool or unique group. And all the teachers push it for personal reasons because they want to feel like doing something good. But it is impossible for 25% of our society to be trans. It's just not possible.
This narrative that the ultra-left is pushing though, is intentionally targeting children... for some unknown reason. Drag story time for little kids? Why? What could this possibly do to help young children? Why do we need to force sexual preferential decisions on grade schoolers? Even in high school, why is it so important that Democrats and people on the left focus on sexuality? Let kids be kids...
Also, it's worth mentioning that the majority of my transgender friends committed suicide. The left would have you think it's because they were mistreated post-op... but that's not it as well. Every single one of them (well, except for one of them), said they made a huge mistake, and fell into depression.
As I said... people have the right to live their lives, but they do not have the right to affect other's lives (sports, bathrooms, etc.). And... I have a right to speak out against what is clearly a severe mental illness that's being perpetuated by the left. I'm just going to say it, the majority of people who suffer mental illness is on the left. I read somewhere that nearly 80% of people on anti-depressants are registered Democrats. Normalizing insane behavior does not mean you are no longer insane.
You post nothing but complete BS. You have no clue what you are talking about. You just make all of this up.
-First of all please post a link to support your claim that 25% of our population is trans. Every single legitimate source I find places the number at LESS THAN 2 PERCENT.
-Second, If you REALLY knew any transgender people you would fully understand the benefits of having drag queens accepted in their schools. Today's transgender adults grew up[ when they felt fearful, isolated, and depressed due to people like you who claimed that they were no more than "sexual deviants". Or maybe your transgender "friends" just never talked to you about this because they knew how you felt about them.
-Third, Conservatives are the "groomers". Not a single drag queen goes to a school and tells the children they have to be gay/trans. On the other hand conservatives insisted for years that a set of Christian rules that stated the Christian God was the ONLY God should be posted in every public school classroom and that every child had to swear allegiance to the United States "Under god".
-Fourth, the stat that 80% of people on anti-depressants are Democrats sounds like BS since there is only about a 10% difference in rate of depression between Democrats (34%) and Republicans (24%). Maybe Republicans are just too stupid to seek help for their problem.
-Fifth, actually a MUCH HIGHER percentage of Republicans suffer from mental illness when you realize that believing a magic man in the sky controls everything is a form of mental illness called "delusional disorder".
-Sixth, the rate of suicide attempts are higher for transgender people who were DENIED gender affirming therapy as a child than for those who received it. I am calling complete BS on your story about how many of your trans friends committed suicide because they felt they had made a mistake. Please list their names. You have posted so many blatant lies that it is impossible to believe anything you say without some facts to back it up.
You sound just like all the other backwards rubes who used to claim that homosexuals were all "sexual deviants" who needed to be "cured".
Originally posted by fredtoast: I still do not get your point. How does another persons gender identity restrict your freedoms?
If a person introduces themselves and say they use the pronoun "they" a woke person will refer to them as "they". So what does a freedomlover like yourself do? Grab the persons crotch? Pull down their pants or raise the skirt? what steps do you take to "protect your freedom" in this situation?
I could explain it to you but you still won't get it due to your ideology. I will waste my time tying but I will.
The Woke Jokes think that I should call someone who is pretending to be another "thing" by their preferred pronouns. Students have been banned, teachers fired because they don't want to call a person by their preferred pronouns. Why should they ? Do they not have the freedom to choose what they believe ?
I protect my freedom by calling them what I think they are.
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Originally posted by fredtoast: Civilized society is about accepting other peoples beliefs as long as they don't infringe on the rights of others.
Society is moving forward, not backward.
What makes you think civilized society society is accepting other people's beliefs. Why are you not accepting ours ?
Will you call me by preferred pronoun ? Call me Lord cliffw.
I think you have been smoking too much LBGTQXYZ 123 +.
I am aware that the U.S. Flag Code decrees that the U.S. Flag always be in the dominant (higher) and not the subservient (lower) position.
I am aware that this is proper flag etiquette when flags are being displayed from flagpoles.
BUT what is the tradition when flags are being hung or draped from balcony railings, as we see here in the preceding message from WonderBoy?
I've never researched it. But I question whether what is considered proper for flagpole display is also called for when flags are being hung, or draped, or used as background displays, that fall outside the scenario where the flags are displayed from the apexes or summits of vertical flag poles.
No reason to be concerned about Putin and the Russian Federation. As long as there's hostility from the Kremlin towards LGBT, we are "down" with the rest of the program. F*ck Ukraine. F*ck the European Union. F*ck NATO. F*ck anyone in Russia who isn't cheerfully falling in line with Putin. F*ck the memory of World War Two.
Yeah. That's about right.
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-First of all please post a link to support your claim that 25% of our population is trans. Every single legitimate source I find places the number at LESS THAN 2 PERCENT.
To be clear, I said "More than 25% of kids today identify as being transgender."
Which does not mean boy is a girl, or girl is a boy, it means something other than "cis" as they say.
"About 1 in 4 high school students identifies as LGBTQ, according to a report the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) released on Thursday, using data from 2021."
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Originally posted by fredtoast: -Second, If you REALLY knew any transgender people you would fully understand the benefits of having drag queens accepted in their schools. Today's transgender adults grew up[ when they felt fearful, isolated, and depressed due to people like you who claimed that they were no more than "sexual deviants". Or maybe your transgender "friends" just never talked to you about this because they knew how you felt about them.
Several. The first person I ever met who made the transition was in 2001. I watched the towers go down on the TV in the break room. He took a sabbatical, and then came back 6 months later as a woman. He had undergone the full top and bottom surgery back then. Rules were much different back then than they are now. Back then, you had to undergo treatments for several years, while seeing a psychiatrist/psychologist. Then, you had to spend a year actually living with another person (as roommates) who had already transitioned (same as the transition you were going for). For a year, you had to live as a woman during the weekends (this is where that joke comes from of dressing up as a girl only on the weekends). And then, and only then... would doctors permit the surgery.
Then at my next job, I met three more people who all transitioned over the next 10 years. And now, there are dozens of transgender people I know that I don't really keep track. Every single one, except for one of them, said that they made a mistake after going through the transition (surgery). All of them, except one, suffered from mental illness (including depression, severe obsessive compulsion, or some other mental illness) for which they actively took medication. All of them, except one, committed suicide within a couple of years. All of them (except one) said they made a mistake and wished they hadn't gone through the surgery... saying it ruined them.
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Originally posted by fredtoast: -Third, Conservatives are the "groomers". Not a single drag queen goes to a school and tells the children they have to be gay/trans. On the other hand conservatives insisted for years that a set of Christian rules that stated the Christian God was the ONLY God should be posted in every public school classroom and that every child had to swear allegiance to the United States "Under god".
This "third" is a failed attempt at trying to make a point, but I think both of us can clearly see you didn't make one. By the way, the period goes before the end-quote, unless you're Canadian, Australian, from New Zealand, or the UK. In American English, the period goes before the end-quote without exception.
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Originally posted by fredtoast: -Fourth, the stat that 80% of people on anti-depressants are Democrats sounds like BS since there is only about a 10% difference in rate of depression between Democrats (34%) and Republicans (24%). Maybe Republicans are just too stupid to seek help for their problem.
"The study, which examined white liberals, moderates, and conservatives, both male and female, found that conservatives were far less likely to be diagnosed with mental health issues than those who identified as either liberal or even “very liberal.” Young white women suffered the worst. White women, ages 18-29, who identified as liberal were given a mental health diagnosis from medical professionals at a rate of 56.3%, as compared to 28.4% in moderates and 27.3% in conservatives."
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Originally posted by fredtoast: -Fifth, actually a MUCH HIGHER percentage of Republicans suffer from mental illness when you realize that believing a magic man in the sky controls everything is a form of mental illness called "delusional disorder".
And also... again... the period always goes before the end-quote in American English. That is, unless you are speaking British English, which is used in the U.K., Australia, New Zealand, and Canada.
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Originally posted by fredtoast: -Sixth, the rate of suicide attempts are higher for transgender people who were DENIED gender affirming therapy as a child than for those who received it. I am calling complete BS on your story about how many of your trans friends committed suicide because they felt they had made a mistake. Please list their names. You have posted so many blatant lies that it is impossible to believe anything you say without some facts to back it up.
"Please list their names."
As classy as your response is, I'm not going to do that. Unfortunately though, it's true. Unfortunately, most people who go through the full surgery suffer serious complications for the rest of their lives. It's less-so with people who just have the top surgery and live their lives. The surgeries they perform to give a woman a penis is fairly macabre, and the surgery to give a man a vagina is also less than spectacular. For the women to men, the most common surgery is a piece of bone inserted into a flap that's created from the lower abdomen, reinforced with flesh from the inner-thigh. They often extend the clitoris to the end of the new penis. In most cases, sensitivity is reduced by nearly 75%. Pain and complications result, making sex essentially almost impossible, and because the new penis is always erect, it has to be folded out of the way and can often result in blood-flow issues and blood clotting. This results in infection, and often amputation. For the men to women, they try to transpose the tip of the penis where the clitoris would be for the woman, and they create the outer labia of the new vagina with the skin from the testicles. They essentially hollow out part of the body with the intent to make a vaginal cavity. Men to women have to deal with constant infection for several years, sometimes for the rest of their lives, and for many years have to consistently put special creams in there to prevent rejection of the vagina (so to speak) and the body from healing up. If they don't properly laser all of the hair off the skin, the inside of the new vagina will grow hair and can actually get ingrown hairs, pimples, infection, etc.
All of this is to say that sex is nearly impossible for people who have bottom surgery, and the complications are life-long. They typically can never have an orgasm ever again, and what's worse, there's usually no one interested in ever having sexual relations (or a relationship) with them ever again. A man to woman is generally ideally hoping to attract a straight-male. But not every male to woman transition looks like the girl who was flashing her boobs at the White House. Most of them look absolutely horrible, unfortunately, and they realize this.
Trans surgery is extremely lucrative for the hospitals that provide it. You're generally taking a very healthy person, and performing elective surgery, with years of follow-on appointments and care. The financial benefit of these surgeries are what drive the narrative of what people believe are "facts," which are actually hand-picked data and studies performed by special interest groups with an intended and desired outcome. Well-intentioned people like you also persist this narrative because you think you're helping people ... you actually believe you're fighting for something good and helping people. The sad reality though is that most of these people actually suffer from mental illness, and transgenderism becomes the "thing they hang their hat on," so to speak. It becomes a safe-haven to help them explain why they feel the way they do... when really they are suffering from things like bipolar disorder, or obsessive compulsive disorders, and other mental ailments that require a different kind of treatment. Gender Dysphoria is a real thing... it is, and some people find happiness in the surgery. But many, many others go down this path, only to realize that this wasn't actually their problem at all... and they were instead led down this path by many well-intentioned people like you. Unfortunately, there are also a lot of sexual predators who use the LGBT mantra to satisfy their maligned sexual behavior (pedophilia, etc.). People are into weird **** , I get it... and people have the right to do what they want to do in their own homes. But pushing this ideology on our children is unacceptable... and this is what the pushback is from.
It's gotten so bad, that unfortunately, support for gay marriage has actually DROPPED year over year for the past three years straight. You'll remember that in 2008 when all the liberal states were passing anti-gay legislation like Proposition 8, or re-affirming DOMA... the Conservative Supreme Court ruled that Gay Marriage was perfectly legal under the constitution.
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Originally posted by fredtoast: You sound just like all the other backwards rubes who used to claim that homosexuals were all "sexual deviants" who needed to be "cured".
Strawman. Never said any of that. Half my family is gay.
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Originally posted by fredtoast: You post nothing but complete BS. You have no clue what you are talking about. You just make all of this up.
To be clear, I said "More than 25% of kids today identify as being transgender."
Which does not mean boy is a girl, or girl is a boy, it means something other than "cis" as they say.
Axios, 21% of Gen-Z is LGBT... this is from early 2022... or from the CDC... "About 1 in 4 high school students identifies as LGBTQ, according to a report the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released on Thursday, using data from 2021."
Recorded as male at birth, identifies as male and gay... or recorded as female at birth, identifies as female and gay... these are not transgender. They are cisgender.
No one should be saying that 25% of kids today identify as transgender. That's completely outside the terminology that's commonly understood.
...Just like Bud's sales figures are proving.
Yikes!
